New ARES coming - By Alex Pereira

[Arahom Radjah]

Guys,

After a long debate, two designs, and one year waiting to make this piece, Ares The God of War is finally coming!

My good friend Erick Sosa had to pass on the job since his commitment with Kotobukia keeps him too busy.

So, I passed it to Alex Pereira, the same genius that made Anubis and Cleopatra.

But here is what I'm most interested in finding out here:

I've been thinking about making him and all the Olympian gods (Zeus, Poseidon, Athena, etc.....) in 1:4th scale.

So who is in favor for 1:4th scale on all the Olympians??

BTW.... This picture of ARES is the first one he sent me, so it is JUST the very beginning. All suggestions, critics and changes should be made now, not when I present pictures of the statue printed!!! :thumbs2:

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 05.jpg

[Frankierock]

I don't know it looks ok...it just does not have that God Feel to it...It just looks like an Everyday Soldier...he needs to be in a more Meanacing pose and the base needs to be more then just him standing on a rock...JMO

[Bullseye]

I would switch out the Greco helmet with something like this.
http://maya12-21-2012.com/2012forum/gallery/128_07_09_09_7_30_10.jpeg

[Arahom Radjah]

I would switch out the Greco helmet with something like this.
http://maya12-21-2012.com/2012forum/gallery/128_07_09_09_7_30_10.jpeg

That's pretty much the helmet we will have for him. So far we have just a rough idea of the costume and amor for setting the pose, sizes and etc...

[Arahom Radjah]

I don't know it looks ok...it just does not have that God Feel to it...It just looks like an Everyday Soldier...he needs to be in a more Meanacing pose and the base needs to be more then just him standing on a rock...JMO

I feel you, but all this is coming!

[Bullseye]

Also I would change the spear position to this.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/ares%20god%20of%20war/Celtic-Witch/Web%20Pictures/S93Ares.jpg

If you have his helmet up on his head rather than covering his face it would make it more interesting and give a different feel to Leo.

[T-Jam]

i agree that it looks too basic, but i also realize that it is an early rough draft at that. i have total confidence that the end result will be amazing arahom. and yes, the olympians need to be 1/4. only way to do them justice.:thumbs2:

[Frankierock]

I feel you, but all this is coming!

I know you will not disappoint us!!! :thumbs2:

[fengjun]

PERFECT!

[Joker10]

I don't know it looks ok...it just does not have that God Feel to it...It just looks like an Everyday Soldier...he needs to be in a more Meanacing pose and the base needs to be more then just him standing on a rock...JMO

i love when people write my thoughts for me, thanks Frankie! :buttrock:

arahom, i know you will not disappoint us and tbh i really liked that last version very much.

[Bowen Collector]

Depending on the scale it would be cool to replace the rock with a pile of sculls. If the scale makes him larger than previous statues than the size of the sculls could be smaller to reflect him being larger than a normal human. Also, I think he would apear more Godlike if his eyes were white. All in all though It looks like a great start.

[Bullseye]

Since he is God of War a war themed base would be appropriate.

[Crossbonez74]

Hmmm, not bad although he seems a little to "300" inspired and may be mistaken as such. I also imagine he would also need to match up with the other gods of Olympus as well. Guess it all depends on how you envision the gods of Olympus. Are they to be clad in armor as shown in the Clash of the Titans remake or more reminiscent of the classic versions of the gods shown in sculpture and paintings?

[Frankierock]

i love when people write my thoughts for me, thanks Frankie! :buttrock:

arahom, i know you will not disappoint us and tbh i really liked that last version very much.

Glad I could Help :thumbs2:

[Ryu]

Putting on my Hollywood cap on. Perhaps two short swords tucked behind his back would work. Adding a symbol to his chest armor is an option. He had four stallions that pulled his chariot. He also had other animals associated with him that could be used. I'd add some more layer of muscle, after all this is the G.O.W. Perhaps even adding some battle damage to him is another idea. Such as, scars or blood. The base should not be a rock. It should be a pile of dead warriors with weapons inserted in them.

[Arahom Radjah]

Thank you guys!

I'm very happy with all the feedbacks so far. We will consider all the inputs given.

The base will definitely not be a rock, and it will reflect his status as the god of war. I like the idea of him steping on some dead warriors bodies

I like the idea of the horses on the armor.

Battle damage like scars and etc will be added.

We will have a change-o-head with a version without the helmet with a possible head sculpted by Erick Sosa.

[Frankierock]

Putting on my Hollywood cap on. Perhaps two short swords tucked behind his back would work. Adding a symbol to his chest armor is an option. He had four stallions that pull his chariot. He also had other animals associated with him that could be used. I'd add some more layer of muscle, after all this is the G.O.W. Perhaps even adding some battle damage to him is another idea. Such as, scars or blood. The base should not be a rock. It should be a pile of dead warriors with weapons inserted in them.

I like the idea...But to much of the dead bodies will give him the look of Death...(I think the base should be something to show Mount Olympus) change Dead bodys to a few Skulls and include weapons all over the base...damaged and bloodly weapons..

[Arahom Radjah]

I like the idea...But to much of the dead bodies will give him the look of Death...(I think the base should be something to show Mount Olympus) change Dead bodys to a few Skulls and include weapons all over the base...damaged and bloodly weapons..

I think we are getting there! I can pretty much picture it in my mind already

[Frankierock]

Here is a pic I found of Ares...maybe something along the lines of this pose??? that looks meanacing...and Godlike..


http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/malcome_bucket/ARES_by_el_grimlock.jpg

[Joker10]

liking the pic for reference, can't wait to see the final product!

[ALIMOE27]

1:4 will be the perfect sizes for them, but please, try a different pose. Doesn't have the look of an Olympian. Remember, these are the Gods that we are talking about.

[ALIMOE27]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/alimoe27/ares-1.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/alimoe27/ares.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/alimoe27/282px-Ares.jpg

Just some ideas for poses IMO

[johnclone]

Here is a pic I found of Ares...maybe something along the lines of this pose??? that looks meanacing...and Godlike..


http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/malcome_bucket/ARES_by_el_grimlock.jpg

This picture rocks!

[Mezzanin9]

Sighhh...:(
altough i like silva brother design but what can i say..erick to busy to handle :(

suggestions : (1) Change o head
(2) Different pose like semi action pose no one knee up to many statue one knee up....
(3) No 300 style armor
(4) 1/4 will be cool
(5) Awesome base not just rock :)
(6) make ares face mid 40 not to old....

:) lets make ARES SUPERB !!!!
thanks

[nexus]

I'd go for 1:4 as well, but would depend on price and design. Also how many Gods will be in the series? If more than 6, then perhaps 1:6 scale makes more sense. As for the Ares design, I agree on the need to make him more "godlike" but he should definitely be in armor with a classic Greek helmet, also there should be come commonality to the lineup, such as Greek columns and reliefs. Less rock bases would also be good. Can't they be in Olympus on marble floors?
http://i42.tinypic.com/35mdzrt.jpg
Some elements of these designs would be nice. For example, I like the idea of Poseidon being greenish blue and having a tail. Not crazy about the Hades though. Athena should have a helmet, etc. etc.

[T-Jam]

This picture rocks!

I second that!!:buttrock:

[Frankierock]

Here is a pic I found of Ares...maybe something along the lines of this pose??? that looks meanacing...and Godlike..


http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee242/malcome_bucket/ARES_by_el_grimlock.jpg

liking the pic for reference, can't wait to see the final product!

This picture rocks!

I second that!!:buttrock:

If it came even close to this, It would be Crazy....:thumbs2:

[Arahom Radjah]

Nexus,

I initially thought about 7 Olympian gods:

Ares
Zeus
Poseidon
Hades
Athena
Aphrodite
Artemis/Diana

[Bullvine]

The Greeks often depicted Ares nude with shield, spear and helmet. Perhaps it was because gods didn’t need armor or because it was symbolism for war above all else. There seems to be many interpretations of him so you could take artistic license and make this one your own version. I was looking for a symbol that he could wear on his shield or chest plate that would make him instantly recognizable as the god of war. I found that the vulture is often used to symbolize him and also the spear. Maybe a pose of him arching back ready to throw a spear? With vultures at his feet ready to pick at the soon to be dead?

[fengjun]

Nexus,

I initially thought about 7 Olympian gods:

Ares
Zeus
Poseidon
Hades
Athena
Aphrodite
Artemis/Diana

no Apollo?

on second thought, i think making them 1/6 makes more sense since it is going to be quite a big line. keep the cost down too. having each cost more than $250 you are getting into SS PF range and Im not sure if collectors are willing to invest that much into this line versus well established companies like SS.

[Fuzzylojiks]

Ares needs to be huge, hulking and menacing. He needs to have really broad shoulders, be looking slight down just like he's going to PWN you right there. : P

Him looking slightly haunched over ready to pounce may be a good one.

You gotta look at him and say... 'Whoa, I'm not messing witht that badass!'

If you make bases so all the gods kinda fit together that will be cool. : )

I kinda like this pose from Kratos but maybe tweaked a little:

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Fuzzylojiks/Kratos/kratos-in-god-of-war-ii_1024x768.jpg

[warhead]

ARES 1 foot standing on the head of a giant conquered titan, similar in pose with your 1st pic, but more armoured.

[jsnchrry]

I prefer the classic look to Ares. He should blend with the other gods of Olympus. I always pictured them with the togas and robe looks. Reguardless I am curious as to why Zues wasnt first in this line? Isnt he king of the gods of Olympus?

[ALIMOE27]

all Olympians should have a museum pose so we could display them together.

[Ryu]

I think if there going be 1/4 then they should be within their own theme. I attached covers regarding what I was describing to a certain degree. I envision him on the battlefield, which I thought would be cool. You know, I'd love to collect these, but 1/4 would take up a lot of space for me. So, if there going to be museum, I'd go 1/7.

[Mezzanin9]

i changed my mind id go with ryu i think 1/7 would be cool too since..1/4 takes space and list of olympian god is too many cant think how to display them together...:(

[Achaean]

I would love to have all the Greek gods in 1/4 scale.

I always love the depictions of Ares where the face is not shown - just the helmet and blackness inside. Given that the gods could assume any form they wanted, I like the idea of a bulky suit of armor moving with seemingly no-one inside it - except for a small flame where the eyes should be!

[Hunter Frost]

I like the idea of each God/Goddess having their own individual base. I hope Athena has an Owl with her and I would like to see Aphrodite standing inside a open seashell and Artemis could maybe have some kind of predatory animal like a Lynx along side her whilst she hunts. I'm getting all kinds of thuper exthited over this.

[toe]

I really like this pose:

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/30838/knight-warrior-sword-wars.jpg

[toe]

these ones as well:

http://www.emuseumstore.com/images/uploads/5174b.jpg

http://beautifulbokeh.typepad.com/beautiful_bokeh/images/2008/02/15/masai_2.jpg

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/1872/893809-warrior_epic_large.jpg

http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Undead-Warrior-fantasy-582357_1024_768.jpg

[Arahom Radjah]

I really like this pose:

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/30838/knight-warrior-sword-wars.jpg

WOW! I like this one a lot!

[Arahom Radjah]

What about now? Better?

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 06.jpg

[Bullvine]

They both look pretty damn good to me.

[TNovak]

WOW! I like this one a lot!

Me too!! :thumbs2:

[fengjun]

have u decided on the scale for this line?

[johnclone]

What about now? Better?

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 06.jpg

I think he looks better than yesterday, and I think that I understand the feel you are going for, you don't want him to look all barbaric and rough and spiky, there is a certain civilized smooth look to him, but what about that spear? Can it be a little barbed, or possibly multi-bladed? Something that really looks cruel, nasty and dangerous, as opposed to civilized?

[Bullseye]

Much better pose IMO.

[blackjack]

I really like this pose:

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/30838/knight-warrior-sword-wars.jpg


I would go with this pose!

[toe]

I would love a 1:4. Since it is 1:4, go all out on details. Have fun with it.

[Bowen Collector]

What about now? Better?

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 06.jpg

This pose looks cool. I think I liked the first armor better without the shoulder pads though. Also, I see why some people would want him to have battle damage but I have a hard time picturing a God that has cuts and bruises. Just my two cents.

[Arahom Radjah]

This pose looks cool. I think I liked the first armor better without the shoulder pads though. Also, I see why some people would want him to have battle damage but I have a hard time picturing a God that has cuts and bruises. Just my two cents.

Ha! I thought about this once, but then I remember that Gods battle other Gods and Titans, so scars would be pretty much normal.

[doc6731]

i would rather have them in the same scale as most of what you have put out to this point. its just easier to display and easier to buy since the costs are lower.

[Ryu]

What about now? Better?

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 06.jpg

Armor is looking good. The spear looks better.

[Ryu]

This pose looks cool. I think I liked the first armor better without the shoulder pads though. Also, I see why some people would want him to have battle damage but I have a hard time picturing a God that has cuts and bruises. Just my two cents.

He was wounded during The Trojan War.

Norse gods had to eat golden apples from Idunn to keep their immortality. If they didn't, they would slowly become mortal.

"An apple a day keeps the doctor away."

[Fuzzylojiks]

I really like this pose:

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/30838/knight-warrior-sword-wars.jpg

Whoa, I would buy that! :drooling:

[Ryu]

Whoa, I would buy that! :drooling:

It's a cool pose.

[Arahom Radjah]

Ok, here it is with an updated pose!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 08.jpg

[fengjun]

very impressive!! the horse motif on the armor is interesting, but the design you have right now is not that great. maybe have some patterning on the armor and same the horse motif for the shield? also one suggestion is to make the shield more convex.

[Arahom Radjah]

very impressive!! the horse motif on the armor is interesting, but the design you have right now is not that great. maybe have some patterning on the armor and same the horse motif for the shield? also one suggestion is to make the shield more convex.

We work a bit at the time. So far I would say the pose is final.... nothing else!

I think the shield should be more concave (on the inside) but the outside (convex) looks fine to me. Well... maybe a bit more convex! LOL

[A Cimmerian]

Much better! To be honest,I did not like the first pictures very much. The pose, the face and the expression are great!

[Arahom Radjah]

Hahah! You guys don't know what WIP means?!!

I'll tell ya! WORK IN PROGRESS!!!!!!! LOL

But seriously, Alex and I are making Ares as we go. We have no idea how he's gonna look at the end!

Your guy's input is also building him up!!!

thanks,

[Barbarian]

Love him so far! Thanks for sharing the WIP pics!

[warhead]

Progressing very well, not there yet but getting there, excellent WIP.

[Mezzanin9]

Great !!! I like it now...but why spears ? Will it be change o head ?

[Spartacus]

Ok, here it is with an updated pose!



Hey Arahom

Great design so far!:thumbs2:

What will the size be 1/5th or 1/4th scale?
Will this be a change o head?
Can this be a change o hand, with a sword option along with the spear?

Ares is a God of War! And the armor needs to reflect that its not made by man, but of Gods!!

The Chest plate, forearms, shins, Helmet, Shield, needs to be a little sharper with its lines, definition and adding some dimension/depth to them!

I think the armor needs a design pattern running through it! The shins, forearms, and top of sandals! Some sort of ancient pattern lines, symbols or text!
Depending on the design you can see if that pattern design will look good also on parts of his chest plate and side of helmet!

He needs a belt, or some sort of belt design that is part of the chest plate Armor, then have the skirt pieces coming off that or have them running under the chest piece so the origin of them is not seen!

The spear head or sword blade would look great with some sort of Greek text running through it, example Conan sword(movie)
The shield needs to be curved on the out side and following the shape on the inside!+ a design pattern on the surface running through it also!

The base would look great with him standing on a steps, with Greek columns, either solid or half broken! You can add a body under his feet or just leave it on the top step!
Something similar was used by Sideshow with the Conan PF!

That’s all I can see at the moment! The concept and statue pose looks great, its just the details that need to be address now!

Blessing!

[ALIMOE27]

Looking good! I like that menacing face he has. Keep the eyes white! evil looking. Something other than him standing on rocks will be great. Like dead people or something like that

[gbaker67]

Since you're thinking of doing a larger series (7 statues) I would say a smaller scale is better. I would love to collect all of the statues you put out based on Greek Mythology/History but if they're all 1:4th scale it would become a space issue, possibly a price issue as well. Really like what you've got so far though!

As for the Ares statue itself, have you considered giving his skin a slightly crimson tint? Not out and out red, but just a hint of being red; almost like he's blood soaked? That would be pretty cool IMHO.

[jedi_don]

As for the Ares statue itself, have you considered giving his skin a slightly crimson tint? Not out and out red, but just a hint of being red; almost like he's blood soaked? That would be pretty cool IMHO.

Wouldn't that make him look sunburned?

[A Cimmerian]

Althought 1/4 statues are spectacular I would prefer this line to be 1/7. They would be easier to display and would go well with the historical line of statues.

[Arahom Radjah]

Updates!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 09.jpg

[Mr. Kennedy]

now that armor looks cool

[Barbarian]

Very nice!!! :buttrock:

[Ryu]

It's good to see his armor with it's own identity. Rather it just being spartan armor. I see the symbols have been replaced with rams. You took the horses away, but give me a battlefield base!

[A Cimmerian]

Alex, I really like your work.

[Alex655321]

Now that looks like a GOD everything is larger than life :buttrock:

[Joker10]

i'm liking this more and more!
but do you think you could make it.....better? :tumblew:
(this is a reference to a simpson's episode, please no hate)

[Arahom Radjah]

It's good to see his armor with it's own identity. Rather it just being spartan armor. I see the symbols have been replaced with rams. You took the horses away, but give me a battlefield base!

the horses will come back!

[Arahom Radjah]

i'm liking this more and more!
but do you think you could make it.....better? :tumblew:
(this is a reference to a simpson's episode, please no hate)

It will be better!

[Arahom Radjah]

Here is another one. On the left side the crest as it is right now, but on the right side are the corrections I made and asked Alex to change.

It is slowly getting the shape we want. There are a lot of details to add and change yet!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/CrestFinal.jpg

[Bowen Collector]

Any idea what color the hair and beard will be? I'm picturing fire red hair and beard with blood red eyes without pupils.

[rattlerat]

Oh my god, the updates just keep getting better and better! I have not seen or heard of any sculptor who is so open and listens to every feedback and opinions. You are the man Arahom :)

[Galactus le dévoreur]

i would like to see a double-edged sword hung on his belt

[Barbarian]

i would like to see a double-edged sword hung on his belt
Wow! You've been around since 2005 and that was your very first post! You must reeeeeally want to see that sword on his belt! :laugh:
Let's hope you get it. :thumbs2:

[Vracula]

Wow! You've been around since 2005 and that was your very first post! You must reeeeeally want to see that sword on his belt! :laugh:
Let's hope you get it. :thumbs2:

:hilarious:

[Arahom Radjah]

Here some updates on Ares!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 11.jpg

[Ryu]

Looking good.

[Bullseye]

Looking good.

[Barbarian]

Looking good. :)

[TNovak]

no Apollo?

on second thought, i think making them 1/6 makes more sense since it is going to be quite a big line. keep the cost down too. having each cost more than $250 you are getting into SS PF range and Im not sure if collectors are willing to invest that much into this line versus well established companies like SS.

I kind of agree with this, but I am getting a Cleopatra and she is 1/4 scale. What scale are the other ARH statues, Achilles for example?

It's good to see his armor with it's own identity. Rather it just being spartan armor. I see the symbols have been replaced with rams. You took the horses away, but give me a battlefield base!

Love the Rams !!

Any idea what color the hair and beard will be? I'm picturing fire red hair and beard with blood red eyes without pupils.

Red hair and beard would be ok but I think red eyes with no pupils would make him look too much like a demon

Wow! You've been around since 2005 and that was your very first post! You must reeeeeally want to see that sword on his belt! :laugh:
Let's hope you get it. :thumbs2:


I hope he gets it too!! Nice to hear from a dedicated lurker. He should post more often. :thumbs2:

[Gr8one]

Looks good, but it looks too much like Leonidas both big and small statues. :banghead:

[toe]

Looking good.

Much much much better.

[Ryu]

Looks good, but it looks too much like Leonidas both big and small statues. :banghead:

Perhaps adding some spikes around the crown of the helmet? Btw, is that the base?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DwtSGNvUL.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41B2PWcKaLL._SL400_.jpg

[Alex Pereira]

Thanks to all for your words!!!
The only thing I can say is that Arahom and I will make a bestial Ares!
Then the rest of Olympics.:jedidual:

[johnclone]

Looks good, but it looks too much like Leonidas both big and small statues. :banghead:

I think that is a little bit inevitable, since they are from the same time period, the Spartans probably even worshipped Ares, and back then warriors of Grecian lands all basically looked like that. It would likely be odd if he didn't resemble a Greek soldier.

[Gr8one]

I think that is a little bit inevitable, since they are from the same time period, the Spartans probably even worshipped Ares, and back then warriors of Grecian lands all basically looked like that. It would likely be odd if he didn't resemble a Greek soldier.

You are 100% correct!:thumbs2: I would add tons of details to all of his armor and helmet to make him stand out as a God of War.:dork:

[ALIMOE27]

much better. Wow

[Mezzanin9]

Here's what I think...the spears needs to be change with something that represent gods of war weapon, axe or big swords maybe not a single spears like leo and leo again :(
I like the armor but bored with the spartan looks like helmet...so ares needs a change o head without helmet like you have mention arh...
About the base...he needs more than just rock bro !!! :)

[Ryu]

Actually, Ares preferred spear and shield. But I'd like to see more weapons added to him. Not to mention *cough* battlefield base. *cough* A body or two can't hurt either *cough* lol can't blame a guy for trying.

[Barbarian]

The god of war might need slightly larger hands.

[Enomis]

For my taste , I wish to change the spear
with a sword , with the tip in the ground,
and also the horses on the chest, are great but
are too much "gladiator", call me crazy but I don't
think the war god with horses on his chest ... Is too human :)

[slaine]

First of all, let me say that this ARES ROCKS!!! great work Alex. I will go for it!!! And 1/4 I think is the correct size for the Gods.

I think that is a little bit inevitable, since they are from the same time period, the Spartans probably even worshipped Ares, and back then warriors of Grecian lands all basically looked like that. It would likely be odd if he didn't resemble a Greek soldier.

I'm completely agree with you. I always related Ares as the picture enclosed

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4621379626_19f1f4e28c.jpg

Also and important point from my point of view is that Ares was not really appreciate by Gods even Humans and although fierce and warlike, Ares was not invincible, even against mortals.. Reason why some scars maybe it will be interesting.

For my taste , I wish to change the spear
with a sword , with the tip in the ground,
and also the horses on the chest, are great but
are too much "gladiator", call me crazy but I don't
think the war god with horses on his chest ... Is too human :)

I'm agree with you, I prefer not to wear horses (I love its design Alex and Arahom) but I agree that looks more like a human (despite that in my picture there are some lions,:doh!: jajajaj). In ARH we trust :drooling:

Thanks for sharing the WIP, it is a real pleasure to see how it works.

[Big Hulk]

I like it but it looks too much like Leo to me. Needs something different to distinguish the piece imo.

[JackFrost]

The statue looks great!...but as a Greek guy i have something to say too...Ares goes definitely with spear, helmet is great,(not only spartans wore that kind of armor and helmet), and about the horses on chest..horse was Poseidon's sacred animal not Are's so it doesn't work...oh and definitely DON'T paint him with red hair and red eyes!!BLACK!...Greek people wanted gods to look like them...

[Ryu]

I like this helmet. Maybe because the nose guard is missing that it really stands out. I like the belt and the art is pretty good too.

Picture those two together as a statue

[Ryu]

The statue looks great!...but as a Greek guy i have something to say too...Ares goes definitely with spear, helmet is great,(not only spartans wore that kind of armor and helmet), and about the horses on chest..horse was Poseidon's sacred animal not Are's so it doesn't work...oh and definitely DON'T paint him with red hair and red eyes!!BLACK!...Greek people wanted gods to look like them...

Don't bash the horse, it helped the greeks conquer Troy. jk, i see your point my friend. I was just throwing out the least expensive idea over to arh.

[Alex Pereira]

Hello everyone,
the reason for the horses in the armor is that Ares had a chariot with four horses(read here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares))
Another symbol could also be some vulture.
Not dismiss some vultures eating up some corpse.
Any idea for the base?

[Ryu]

Hello everyone,
the reason for the horses in the armor is that Ares had a chariot with four horses(read here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares))
Another symbol could also be some vulture.
Not dismiss some vultures eating up some corpse.
Any idea for the base?

Hi Alex, I think you're doing a wonderful job. I was wondering about the scale. It is 1/4, correct?

[Bullvine]

As long as when people look at it they should know right away that this is ARES!!! (The vulture is a great symbol of Ares and should make its way into the sculpt in some form or another)

[Gr8one]

Hello everyone,
the reason for the horses in the armor is that Ares had a chariot with four horses(read here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares))
Another symbol could also be some vulture.
Not dismiss some vultures eating up some corpse.
Any idea for the base?

I think the tip of the spear can be changed and for the base a few dead guys would be nice.:flash:

[Alex Pereira]

Arahom is doing something really innovative.
It takes into account your tastes and your opinions.
Show you the work in progress as decisions are being taken at all times.
It is not easy to do this.
I hope you have in mind.
With regard to the scale and according to the Poll Results i believe that finally wins the scale 1 / 4.
When we finish all the Olympics will be great at that size.
:buttrock:

[Bullvine]

I agree, ARH is a step above the rest imo.:thumbs2:

[Galactus le dévoreur]

Wow! You've been around since 2005 and that was your very first post! You must reeeeeally want to see that sword on his belt! :laugh:
Let's hope you get it. :thumbs2:

:hilarious: sorry I'm french and my english is not good. So I'm discreet.

[Barbarian]

:hilarious: sorry I'm french and my english is not good. So I'm discreet.
Honestly, my friend, your English seems more than acceptable to me. :thumbs2:

[Mezzanin9]

I like this helmet. Maybe because the nose guard is missing that it really stands out. I like the belt and the art is pretty good too.

Picture those two together as a statue

Hey man....I like your idea the helmet without nose guard will be great
And picturing ares riding chariot it will be a KILLLERRR man....but I don't how much the cost to sculpt those four horses together
But I really like the idea riding a chariot...I wish it will be like your idea ryu :)

About the spears idea you were right ares favor spears ....but since most of my collection is arh statues
I will have three spears ( leo 1/4 , leo 1/7 and this ares )
So I just think why don't we do somethin diffrent...look man we don't have make this ares as accurate as can be
A bit imaginary and fiction will sell.....:) imo
Anyway I trust arh will do great since looks now most people are expecting this ares more than any other sculpt
Correct ?

I'm putting this on my top buying list !!! Oh and arh told me this ares will be no cape... ;)

[joeblack]

:hilarious: sorry I'm french and my english is not good. So I'm discreet.

:buttrock: yes i'm not the only french on this forum
old europe rocks !

note that french people doesn't post a lot :wink2:

[toe]

I like this helmet. Maybe because the nose guard is missing that it really stands out. I like the belt and the art is pretty good too.

Picture those two together as a statue

i love the spear on this picture.

[Bullvine]

:buttrock: yes i'm not the only french on this forum
old europe rocks !

note that french people doesn't post a lot :wink2:

Bran is also french, he's on here somewhere too.

[Arahom Radjah]

I like the idea of the base with some corpses (or parts) being eaten by vultures!

I also would like to see some defeated warriors armor parts, weapons and helmets.


He will surely have a sword.

[Arahom Radjah]

My first idea of Ares was too different from what he actually looks like for the Greeks, so I decided to follow your guys requests and give him a more Greek accurate look with spear, shield, and helmet. Now we gonna stick to this look!

We might have a change-o-head for him without the helmet, but this will happen ONLY if Erick Sosa sculpt it like the one he did for me last year.

Thank you all for sharing your tastes and opinions. It helps us to have a better understanding of our market and not only try to shovel down your guys throat whatever "we" think is good!

[Averone]

My first idea of Ares was too different from what he actually looks like for the Greeks, so I decided to follow your guys requests and give him a more Greek accurate look with spear, shield, and helmet. Now we gonna stick to this look!

We might have a change-o-head for him without the helmet, but this will happen ONLY if Erick Sosa sculpt it like the one he did for me last year.

Thank you all for sharing your tastes and opinions. It helps us to have a better understanding of our market and not only try to shovel down your guys throat whatever "we" think is good!



So refreshing!!!

Thanks for listening! :thumbs2:

[Averone]

I like the idea of the base with some corpses (or parts) being eaten by vultures!

I also would like to see some defeated warriors armor parts, weapons and helmets.


He will surely have a sword.

The image will stay in my head, sounds good! :psycho:

[Ryu]

Imo, I think there should be good a balance between authentic and pop culture, which is something the Gow games have done, as of late. So, it wouldn't be a bad idea to apply it to statues.

[Ryu]

Okay, here's a thought. We can have him in a battleground environment, which you can integrate some of these weapons to the base. I saw people mentioning the vulture. How about we have Ares stepping over two bodies, or as many you fancy. Perhaps you can have one of them badly injured, and who is desperately trying to reach for a weapon - But near by we see a battle axe that's embedded into the ground at a 45 degree angle with a vulture perched on the end of the handle. We see that's it's eagerly awaiting Ares to leave, so it may snack on its meal.

[ALIMOE27]

My first idea of Ares was too different from what he actually looks like for the Greeks, so I decided to follow your guys requests and give him a more Greek accurate look with spear, shield, and helmet. Now we gonna stick to this look!

We might have a change-o-head for him without the helmet, but this will happen ONLY if Erick Sosa sculpt it like the one he did for me last year.

Thank you all for sharing your tastes and opinions. It helps us to have a better understanding of our market and not only try to shovel down your guys throat whatever "we" think is good!

:goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost:
Thank you for listening. You have a wonderful future ahead of you :thumbs2:

[Mezzanin9]

@ryu I like the pics a lot......and its indeed a menacing god weapons that I prefer..

I HOPE ERICK SOSA DO THE SAME HEAD since iam big fans of his works too...
Hope he read read this ;p, I'm dying to have change o head....
Hey what about this the exclusive version is either swords or axe while the regular is spears
Like ss did with conan... :)

Thanks arh for listening, and that's what I call a good public relationship ;p

[Galactus le dévoreur]

Honestly, my friend, your English seems more than acceptable to me. :thumbs2:

Thank you

[jollyskeleton]

Here some updates on Ares!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 11.jpg

Looks good! Love the work on his armour

[JackFrost]

Yeah!!...but i still have an issue with the horses on the chest....but if you guys wanna stick with horses for Ares please use other horses..that looks like American rodeo...not Greek at all...

[Bullvine]

Yeah!!...but i still have an issue with the horses on the chest....but if you guys wanna stick with horses for Ares please use other horses..that looks like American rodeo...not Greek at all...

come to think of it your right, looks like something you would find on a cowboys belt buckle.

[Ryu]

I think a bit more menacing or adding unique armor to them would be one way for each to show their own personalty. I wouldn't want to make more work for Alex. It's just an idea.

Not saying these should be used. But there were some horses which were carnivores.

[Arahom Radjah]

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 12.jpg

[Barbarian]

Love it! :buttrock:

[kappa250]

ow yeah!!!!!!!!!!:vortex:

and pls 1/4 :)

[Averone]

Really do love the pose! Fantastic!
What do you guys think of the bird?

Arahom are you trying to convey death?

[warhead]

Looking good

[Bullseye]

Great concept. Love the vulture.

[Barbarian]

Really do love the pose! Fantastic!
What do you guys think of the bird?

Arahom are you trying to convey death?
Vultures and dogs were said to be sacred to him as they both prey upon carrion in the battlefield.

[Averone]

Vultures and dogs were said to be sacred to him as they both prey upon carrion in the battlefield.

Ahah!
I understand now!
Good to have a Barbarian amongst us to explain such thing! :thumbs2:

[Barbarian]

Ahah!
I understand now!
Good to have a Barbarian amongst us to explain such thing! :thumbs2:
:thumbs2: :)

[Arahom Radjah]

Great concept. Love the vulture.

When you like something, I know we are on the right track!

thanks,

[Arahom Radjah]

The base will be bigger and way more detailed than this. It won't be just a piece of rock this time.

I loved the vulture too, and it is thanks to your guys opinions and feedback!

thanks,

[Mr. Kennedy]

this one is starting to shape up to be the best one yet

[Mezzanin9]

aye aye .......love it....

[Bullvine]

That's Aries!!! Looks better and better :thumbs2:

[slaine]

I love the vulture, great choice. :thumbs2:

[Arahom Radjah]

Ok guys,

Here we begin to have an idea of what he will look like at the end!!!

Let me know your thoughts!!!!!!!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 14.jpg

[Averone]

Cool!!

[Mr. Kennedy]

adding the dead body was a cool move, this one definitely looks like the best one in the whole line up

[Ryu]

Looks good arh. I have a few questions. One: Will there be more weapons or anything else added to the base or Ares? Two: Is it too late of an option to have the nose guard part of the helmet removed? I know you mentioned a change-o-head. But if that doesn't happen, i really would like to see his face a bit clearer. Will there be any designs to his arm braces as well? Thank you.

[Arahom Radjah]

Ryu,

The base isn't even close to what it will be, so you can expect something really cool coming next!

This particular helmet is a very accurate depiction of the Spartan helmet, so I don't think it would look good without the nose guard.

The arm braces are not ready at all. There is much more to come.

[Arahom Radjah]

adding the dead body was a cool move, this one definitely looks like the best one in the whole line up

I agree with you. The best one SO FAR!

[Bullvine]

Adding the dead body really makes a big difference. Makes it more dynamic. He didn't get all dressed up for picture day!! Good decision there :thumbs2:

[Ryu]

Ryu,

The base isn't even close to what it will be, so you can expect something really cool coming next!

This particular helmet is a very accurate depiction of the Spartan helmet, so I don't think it would look good without the nose guard.

The arm braces are not ready at all. There is much more to come.

Okay, thank you for replying. I only suggested it because I wasn't sure if the change-o-head would be made. Also I know we started out on a bumpy road :jedidual: - But thanks for taking some our suggestions into consideration-- Seeing them actually being applying to the sculpture is very cool.

[Crazy 88]

The armor does add a nice touch to the statue. But my idea of a god of war is, no armor, no shield. Just cape, loin cloth, gladiator sandals. shin guards, arm guards and the shoulder pads.

The left hand can be holding a damn wicked dagger. The helmet could probably be replaced by an olive brand. He is a god of war, why does he need armor for?

But since we are talking about visual pleasure, the above works better.

Would the dead soldier have a lower body? Cos it would really look wicked if it doesn't have a lower body.

[Arahom Radjah]

The armor does add a nice touch to the statue. But my idea of a god of war is, no armor, no shield. Just cape, loin cloth, gladiator sandals. shin guards, arm guards and the shoulder pads.

The left hand can be holding a damn wicked dagger. The helmet could probably be replaced by an olive brand. He is a god of war, why does he need armor for?

But since we are talking about visual pleasure, the above works better.

Would the dead soldier have a lower body? Cos it would really look wicked if it doesn't have a lower body.


No lower body, only the torso split in half!

[Ryu]

No lower body, only the torso split in half!

I'm assuming there will be blood on Ares?

[ALIMOE27]

Ok guys,

Here we begin to have an idea of what he will look like at the end!!!

Let me know your thoughts!!!!!!!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 14.jpg

Loving the base! :thumbs2:

[Arahom Radjah]

Okay, thank you for replying. I only suggested it because I wasn't sure if the change-o-head would be made. Also I know we started out on a bumpy road :jedidual: - But thanks for taking some our suggestions into consideration-- Seeing them actually being applying to the sculpture is very cool.

You guys are actually helping us to come up with his look, and it is I that should be thanking you all!

Ares is basicaly being built on your guy's suggestions, and it is looking really cool!

[Arahom Radjah]

I'm assuming there will be blood on Ares?

Let's say... There will be blood! lots of blood! :psycho:

[Arahom Radjah]

The armor does add a nice touch to the statue. But my idea of a god of war is, no armor, no shield. Just cape, loin cloth, gladiator sandals. shin guards, arm guards and the shoulder pads.

The left hand can be holding a damn wicked dagger. The helmet could probably be replaced by an olive brand. He is a god of war, why does he need armor for?

But since we are talking about visual pleasure, the above works better.

Would the dead soldier have a lower body? Cos it would really look wicked if it doesn't have a lower body.

He is a god, but he is not immortal! remember that Zeus managed to kill all the Titans, and Ares is definitely mortal, so the reason for the armor and stuff.

[alpha]

I think that is a little bit inevitable, since they are from the same time period, the Spartans probably even worshipped Ares, and back then warriors of Grecian lands all basically looked like that. It would likely be odd if he didn't resemble a Greek soldier.

Totally agree in every thing you said. And for the record, it might be usefull to know that ares was mainly the protector of the Spartans and the Thracian people. So it's logical that Spartans would dress and equip themselves, the way they thought Ares would look (though he didn't appear most of the times with armor, but with a chiton).The symbol of Ares was the malehood symbol, the shield and spear, and on that belief, Spartans had based their way of fighting (just as in 300 it was depicted). Oh, and by the way i like the Tracian shield the statue has; it's like connecting a few dots more, to the fact Thracians worshiped Ares as their protector, too.

[alpha]

The armor does add a nice touch to the statue. But my idea of a god of war is, no armor, no shield. Just cape, loin cloth, gladiator sandals. shin guards, arm guards and the shoulder pads.

The left hand can be holding a damn wicked dagger. The helmet could probably be replaced by an olive brand. He is a god of war, why does he need armor for?

But since we are talking about visual pleasure, the above works better.

Would the dead soldier have a lower body? Cos it would really look wicked if it doesn't have a lower body.

If Arahom and Alex are making Ares in an accurate depiction way (historically), which they are pretty much doing so until now, (and making a good job out of it), they could also consider that in Homer's Iliad he was referd with an adjective, which in ancient greek is ''chresopelex'', meaning with golden helmet, which shows not only that he wore a helmet in battles, but it was also shiny and golden.Probably the only shiny and golden thing on his armor, since he didn't wore any. When he was slightly wounded in the battle in Iliad, he got back to Olympus, asked Zeus to give him an immediate heal so he could run back into the battle instantly, but he took a shield with him this time.
I think you guys are gonna make a great statue. Good job with the base of the statue, really.Add broken spears if you can, please. It's awesome already, but you can always take it a step further. I love the vulture and the corpse. Bravo you guys, i think i'm not going to resist with this one.

[Alex655321]

adding the dead body was a cool move, this one definitely looks like the best one in the whole line up

I agree !

Awesome !

[Arahom Radjah]

Guys,

This is to prove that we are not kidding about making the best statues out there!

Ares will be one of the best statues in any collection!

Alex, you rock!!!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 18.jpg

[Alex Pereira]

Thanks for your words.
definitively Ares is a BIG challenge.:jedidual:
I hope you are enjoying this statue.

[Bullseye]

Nice update but I would rather see another body instead of the column. Ares gained strenght through death. The more of it on the battlefield the stronger he became. More bodies less columns.

[Ryu]

Yeah, nice update. But I'm not quite feeling the column either. Another body impaled with weapons.

Regarding the base. Will there be elements of grass, sand or rock?

[Arahom Radjah]

Another body would make it extremelly expensive. We are talking about a 1/4th scale.

Alex will still add some more broken weapons and an arm sticking out of the ground.

The base also will have some more loose rocks and other small details.

[rattlerat]

Arahom, the column is blocking the back of the statue. You might want to consider making it shorter to the standing knee of Ares?

Still, I think the statue looks just great without the column.

[Sskaaar]

Arahom, the column is blocking the back of the statue. You might want to consider making it shorter to the standing knee of Ares?

Still, I think the statue looks just great without the column.

:goodpost: :iagree:

[alpha]

Another body would make it extremelly expensive. We are talking about a 1/4th scale.

Alex will still add some more broken weapons and an arm sticking out of the ground.

The base also will have some more loose rocks and other small details.

Fantastic job Alex. Arahom, you guys could perhaps add a sword on the column like it was stuck there when somebody tried to cut somebody and hit the column instead, and the sword got stuck. You could also make the column look a little more realistic like this (though i'm sure you had something relative in mind), using these examples:

IONIC ORDER


http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac183/eddiebrock33/SixIonicOrders2.jpg?t=1275223732


DORIC ORDER


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/DoricParthenon.jpg


CORINTHIAN ORDER


http://i898.photobucket.com/albums/ac183/eddiebrock33/CorinthOrdUsCap2.jpg?t=1275223847

I hope it could be done without raising the cost of production too much. It would make it look awesome.
Anyway, you 're already doing a great job. :buttrock: You got yourselves one more buyer, guys:thumbs2:

[TNovak]

I like the column. could be a little shorter I guess, but I like it. I think you should also be careful not to make the base too busy, you have a lot on there already. I think it is good as is. :buttrock:

[Mr. Kennedy]

this is definitely the best one so far

[Arahom Radjah]

One more.

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 19.jpg

[Mr. Kennedy]

adding the extra helmet n body part is a great move, congrats..now this will be the best one

[warhead]

Ares looks incredible, the base might be a bit of overkill, to cluttered JMO.

[Ryu]

http://tomopop.com/ul/15264-550x-8023_press04-001.jpg
http://www.hantak.com/images/diablo_3_statue_2.jpg

I don't know, I just think the column makes the piece look very congested.

[Mezzanin9]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs022.snc1/3074_182061025556_814240556_6509842_4121377_n.jpg

change o head ??

[Mezzanin9]

http://tomopop.com/ul/15264-550x-8023_press04-001.jpg
http://www.hantak.com/images/diablo_3_statue_2.jpg

I don't know, I just think the column makes the piece look very congested.


i like this diablo statue...the base,sculpt and paint is awesome....i think ares will give a hard challenges on this one...
:jedidual:

[Gr8one]

:drooling: :drooling: I can't wait for this one! :buttrock:

[Arahom Radjah]

http://tomopop.com/ul/15264-550x-8023_press04-001.jpg

I don't know, I just think the column makes the piece look very congested.

It's funny you post this picture. This is exactly the statue Alex and I were using for our innitial inspiration.

I love this SS piece. I hope our Ares can be as good as this one!

[Arahom Radjah]

More updates.

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 201.jpg

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 202.jpg

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 203.jpg

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 204.jpg

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 205.jpg

[Barbarian]

Wow, really exceptional work!
Damn, apparently they don't make those Spartan swords like they used to! :laugh:

[Arahom Radjah]

Wow, really exceptional work!
Damn, apparently they don't make those Spartan swords like they used to! :laugh:

Can you imagine when we have all the 7 Olympians together???!!!

WOW! It will be a sight !!:vortex:

[Barbarian]

Can you imagine when we have all the 7 Olympians together???!!!

WOW! It will be a sight !!:vortex:
I know!!! YES!

[Galactus le dévoreur]

The shield is finish?

[Barbarian]

The shield is finish?
I'd guess no.

[Arahom Radjah]

The shield is finish?

Nothing is finished! We barely started it! Now it is starting to get shape. Details come latter on.

[slaine]

It's funny you post this picture. This is exactly the statue Alex and I were using for our innitial inspiration.

I love this SS piece. I hope our Ares can be as good as this one!

I have Diablo's statue and for sure I will go for this Ares. Great work, it is a pleasure to see the great evolution and how it gets shape. Thanks for sharing your excellent work :thumbs2:

[NorthernLadMSP]

Can you imagine when we have all the 7 Olympians together???!!!

WOW! It will be a sight !!:vortex:

This looks incredible!! I love it . . . which god/goddess is next after Ares? Hopefully a female :drooling:

[Arahom Radjah]

This looks incredible!! I love it . . . which god/goddess is next after Ares? Hopefully a female :drooling:

Athena is next, then Poseidon!

[fengjun]

Athena is next, then Poseidon!

any concept you can show us?

[Jack's Username]

So is this line going to be available in 1/4 scale only?

Sorry if I missed this in the thread somewhere.

[Averone]

It's funny you post this picture. This is exactly the statue Alex and I were using for our innitial inspiration.

I love this SS piece. I hope our Ares can be as good as this one!

I am selling Diablo to get this Ares!
I have faith in you!!
I'm getting behind! I need more ARH in my collection! :drooling:

[alpha]

More updates.

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 201.jpg

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 202.jpg

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 203.jpg

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 204.jpg

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 205.jpg

:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock: :thumbs2:

great job, the column looks perfect. awesome work. great news with athena and poseidon. can't wait for some sneak peeks.alex rocks.:buttrock:

[TNovak]

I know the scale has been given but how tall will it be from base (or bottom) to tip of spear?

[Bullseye]

I would drop the column. Its a distraction from the overall composition.

[Ryu]

I would drop the column. Its a distraction from the overall composition.

I agree. It's like when someone is standing up right in front of you, blocking you're view while you're trying not to miss anything at a good game. Over all the rest of the piece looks very good.

[Mezzanin9]

I have to disagree with both of you ryu and bulleys...I like the column its like a signature of the greeks ruins...for me personally

[Ryu]

There weren't any Greek columns in the city of Troy. I'm assuming those are Trojans he has killed.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I personally don't think it will distract once it's painted. The column will most likely be an off white or light gray or sand color and with all the colors of Ares himself, I don't think it will distract . . . I'm so excited to see Athena and then Poseidon, and then hopefully Aphrodite after that.

[Duckyd66]

I would drop the shield that the vultures on and place the vulture on the column, just an idea. It would make the base not so cluttered and move the column off to one side of Aires as not to distract from the front veiw of the statue.

[alpha]

There weren't any Greek columns in the city of Troy. I'm assuming those are Trojans he has killed.

Historically and mythologically he can't be a Trojan. The only case in the work of Hommer ''the Illiad'', when a god kills a hero with his own hands is when Ares kills Periphas, the Aetolian leader during the Trojan War, son of Ochisios, and huge in stature. Aetolians fought against the Trojans during the trojan war. The incident is found in Hommer's Illiad v.842. See also ''The Iliad: a commentary. Books 5-8'', book 5, v.842.

The trasverse crest of the helmet that the dead body of the statue wears, was mainly worn by spartan high ranked officers, but rarely by officers of other city-states armies of Peloponnesse. So he couldn't be a Trojan, nor a Spartan, since Spartans considered Ares as their protector. So it could be an army officer of perhaps Argos, or Corinth, or Messene, but there is more to take into consideration.

As for the column, there were greek columns in Troy, because Trojans were either a greek tribe, or a tribe influenced by the greek civilization. So you could probably find ionic order columns, which were found in the coasts of Minor Asia, where the greek tribe of Ionians used to live.
The ethnic affinities of the Dardanoi, and of the Trojans, and the nature of their language remain a mystery. The remains of their material culture reveal close ties with Luwian other Anatolian groups, Thracians and Greek contact. Homer writes the elite was mixed but predominantly Greek and the Romans considered them to be Greek as a whole.They are totally unrelated to the later Illyrian tribe of the same name.
So either they were mainly greeks, or mixed and partly greeks, mixed with other ethnicities. So they probably had columns on their buildings, just like the one Alex made for the Statue.

Finally you could say that coincidentally or not Alex made the statue depicting an incident of the Trojan War, the only case recorded ever, when a god killed a mortal in close combat, (and not from afar as usual , like for example Zeus used to kill with lightning). It's the killing of Periphas the leader of the Aetolians.
Intentionally or not, refering to the above, i think Alex is making a great job with the statue, and i think it's gonna be great. I think it's gonna be monumental.:drooling: :thumbs2: :buttrock:

[Alex Pereira]

Historically and mythologically he can't be a Trojan. The only case in the work of Hommer ''the Illiad'', when a god kills a hero with his own hands is when he kills Periphas, the Aetolian leader during the Trojan War, son of Ochisios, and huge in stature. Aetolians fought against the Trojans during the trojan war. The incident is found in Hommer's Illiad v.842. See also ''The Iliad: a commentary. Books 5-8'', book 5, v.842.

The trasverse crest of the helmet that the dead body of the statue wears, was mainly worn by spartan high ranked officers, but rarely by officers of other city-states armies of Peloponnesse. So he couldn't be a Trojan, nor a Spartan, since Spartans considered Ares as their protector. So it could be an army officer of perhaps Argos, or Corinth, or Messene, but there is more to take into consideration.

As for the column, there were greek columns in Troy, because Trojans were either a greek tribe, or a tribe influenced by the greek civilization. So you could probably find ionic order columns, which were found in the coasts of Minor Asia, where the greek tribe of Ionians used to live.
The ethnic affinities of the Dardanoi, and of the Trojans, and the nature of their language remain a mystery. The remains of their material culture reveal close ties with Luwian other Anatolian groups, Thracians and Greek contact. Homer writes the elite was mixed but predominantly Greek and the Romans considered them to be Greek as a whole.They are totally unrelated to the later Illyrian tribe of the same name.
So either they were mainly greeks, or mixed and partly greeks, mixed with other ethnicities. So they probably had columns on their buildings, just like the one Alex made for the Statue.

Finally you could say that coincidentally or not Alex made the statue depicting an incident of the Trojan War, the only case recorded ever, when a god killed a mortal in close combat, (and not from afar as usual , like for example Zeus used to kill with lightning). It's the killing of Periphas the leader of the Aetolians.
Intentionally or not, refering to the above, i think Alex is making a great job with the statue, and i think it's gonna be great. I think it's gonna be monumental.:drooling: :thumbs2: :buttrock:

You are a source of knowledge.
Thank you for your words.
I have been impressed by your knowledge.
I try to document everything possible to make the statues.
I like that my work has a real base.Although there is always a part invented to make it a more attractive product.
For the next statues I'd like to be able to ask you if I have any doubt.
:buttrock:

[slaine]

Historically and mythologically he can't be a Trojan. The only case in the work of Hommer ''the Illiad'', when a god kills a hero with his own hands is when Ares kills Periphas, the Aetolian leader during the Trojan War, son of Ochisios, and huge in stature. Aetolians fought against the Trojans during the trojan war. The incident is found in Hommer's Illiad v.842. See also ''The Iliad: a commentary. Books 5-8'', book 5, v.842.

The trasverse crest of the helmet that the dead body of the statue wears, was mainly worn by spartan high ranked officers, but rarely by officers of other city-states armies of Peloponnesse. So he couldn't be a Trojan, nor a Spartan, since Spartans considered Ares as their protector. So it could be an army officer of perhaps Argos, or Corinth, or Messene, but there is more to take into consideration.

As for the column, there were greek columns in Troy, because Trojans were either a greek tribe, or a tribe influenced by the greek civilization. So you could probably find ionic order columns, which were found in the coasts of Minor Asia, where the greek tribe of Ionians used to live.
The ethnic affinities of the Dardanoi, and of the Trojans, and the nature of their language remain a mystery. The remains of their material culture reveal close ties with Luwian other Anatolian groups, Thracians and Greek contact. Homer writes the elite was mixed but predominantly Greek and the Romans considered them to be Greek as a whole.They are totally unrelated to the later Illyrian tribe of the same name.
So either they were mainly greeks, or mixed and partly greeks, mixed with other ethnicities. So they probably had columns on their buildings, just like the one Alex made for the Statue.

Finally you could say that coincidentally or not Alex made the statue depicting an incident of the Trojan War, the only case recorded ever, when a god killed a mortal in close combat, (and not from afar as usual , like for example Zeus used to kill with lightning). It's the killing of Periphas the leader of the Aetolians.
Intentionally or not, refering to the above, i think Alex is making a great job with the statue, and i think it's gonna be great. I think it's gonna be monumental.:drooling: :thumbs2: :buttrock:

Whoaoaoao!!! Really Impressive. It is always a pleasure to learn from you. This forum ROCKS!!! :thumbs2:

[alpha]

You are a source of knowledge.
Thank you for your words.
I have been impressed by your knowledge.
I try to document everything possible to make the statues.
I like that my work has a real base.Although there is always a part invented to make it a more attractive product.
For the next statues I'd like to be able to ask you if I have any doubt.
:buttrock:

Feel free to ask anything, whenever you want.:wink2: It's really a pleasure to share knowledge. Finally, the years i spended at the University studying philology, came handy. :banghead:

And of course i totally understand any liberties an artist might take, as you mentioned, Alex. After all,this is business, not a science project. I wrote all those information, because i think that some times, a historically acurate depiction (when there is information to access) of a hero or a god, can result in a better depiction, and that might lead in better sales, which is a main goal.

Thanks for the appreciation guys.:thumbs2:

[Ryu]

I agree that we don't really know what the Trojans were. Bare in mind that there was at least 7 Troys found. The Troy Dorpfeld found, named Troy 6, had all of the descriptions that Homer mentioned in The Iliad. Troy 6 had the large thick stone walls and the large scion gates that were described in The Iliad poem. The only problem was that there was another Troy, called Troy 7A, that fit the time of the Trojan war more then Troy 6. The problem though was that Troy 7A was a shantytown, and was the total opposite of what Homer described. Troy 7A was built after Troy 6 and was made out of the rubble of what seemed to be an earthquake or something like it, and was made out of the rubble of troy 6, because Troy 6 fell by something like an earthquake. A strange link is that Poseidon, brother of Zeus, helped the Mycenaean's and supposedly knocked Troy down by an earthquake. Homer never mentions the Hittites. He just mentions allies of the Trojans, which they have a different description of these characters within the poem that I find interesting.

Look. over all, I like what Alex is doing with the statue. Was the column greek? who knows. I just thought it was taking up room.

[Arahom Radjah]

Guys,

I'll make the column shorter, so it will take less space.

Also it saves in resin! LOL

[Ryu]

Guys,

I'll make the column shorter, so it will take less space.

Also it saves in resin! LOL

Oh, boy. :hilarious:

[Averone]

I like it longer!
But then who am I to talk!!

[alpha]

I agree that we don't really know what the Trojans were. Bare in mind that there was at least 7 Troys found. The Troy Dorpfeld found, named Troy 6, had all of the descriptions that Homer mentioned in The Iliad. Troy 6 had the large thick stone walls and the large scion gates that were described in The Iliad poem. The only problem was that there was another Troy, called Troy 7A, that fit the time of the Trojan war more then Troy 6. The problem though was that Troy 7A was a shantytown, and was the total opposite of what Homer described. Troy 7A was built after Troy 6 and was made out of the rubble of what seemed to be an earthquake or something like it, and was made out of the rubble of troy 6, because Troy 6 fell by something like an earthquake. A strange link is that Poseidon, brother of Zeus, helped the Mycenaean's and supposedly knocked Troy down by an earthquake. Homer never mentions the Hittites. He just mentions allies of the Trojans, which they have a different description of these characters within the poem that I find interesting.

Look. over all, I like what Alex is doing with the statue. Was the column greek? who knows. I just thought it was taking up room.

Ryu i'm happy there are people in here, that read history.
My ''guess'' above, about the column and the fact that it could be greek, or greek-influenced, has to do with the fact that Trojan civilization is linked historically and mythologically with the Greek, if not being part of it. They believed in the same pantheon. They worshiped Apollon as their protector. Poseidon was believed to have struck the trojan city, because he didn't recieve ''payment'' for building the city's walls. That is also a reason why, he favored the Mycenaeans during the war.
The Homeric name, Iaones (meaning Ionians) , used of some long-robed Greeks attacked by Hector, is the name of the greek ethnic group that most likely ''crossed paths'' in many ways with the Trojans. Geographically, the place of the excavations is near the sea of the coast of Minor Asia. The territory where Troy was located was always a passage for traders, which certainly made possible the connection with greek mainland city-states, also. The greek element (of origin or influence) of Troy is highly possible, and that makes the statue possibly very accurate. But i agree, we couldn't be sure, because Schliemann's archaeological methods were very destructive, and the excavations offer limited clues.

So, as i mentioned before, there is a big chance of the depiction of the statue being accurate, and most importantly (intentionally or not)it depicts an actual event of greek mythology (the fall of Periphas), in a quite accurate way, which i find amazing. The last thing, is what i find more interesting about this statue. I think it might not be possible for such a thing to happen again, with the rest of the statues, i mean depicting mythological events, but that's what is going to make it special.

[Ryu]

The Mycenaean's were divided because all of the smaller city-states of the Mycenaean were fighting each other. Now homer makes this out to be a love story. He was a very good story-teller, IMO. But what I believe happened was that the Mycenaen's were vastly short of resources. So they were desperately needing to obtain these resources to expand. Now as you mentioned earlier about Troy's location, which is north west of Turkey. That was a goldmine – regarding position for resources. So the war was not about love or honor, it was really about greed, as Troy was very wealthy. Now, to the east of Troy was the Hittite Empire, which is modern day Turkey. They were allies to Troy to which they called the city Wilusa . They were a super power as well. They sacked the city of Babylonia which is modern day Iraq. The big empires at the time were The Egyptians, The Babylonians, The Hittite Empire and the Assyrians. So basically, it was Hittite Empire fighting the Mycenaean's over Troy, which they fought on and off for decades. According to the Hittite tablet which were discovered. The Hittites found it very important to keep written records, and did so. There side of the story is a bit different in regards to the characters we know. But It is clearly understood also from the lliad that the Trojans had obviously had connections both with east and west. They had a close relationship with the Greeks. Equally they had similar relationships with the Hittites as well. But how can we ignore these reseblences? Especially if Homer tells us in the lliad that the Trojans and their allies spoke different languages and dialects.
"Hector, I urge you above all to do as I say. In his great city, Priam has many allies. But these foreigners all talk different languages. Let their own captains in each case take charge of them, draw up their countrymen, and lead them into battle.
(lliad II. 800-805)

Also Mycenaean armor had its only vulnerable spot on the heel.

As far as religion goes i cant talk about that. Rules, you know.

But yeah, Alex is doing a wonderful job. I can't wait to own one.

[alpha]

The Mycenaean's were divided because all of the smaller city-states of the Mycenaean were fighting each other. Now homer makes this out to be a love story. He was a very good story-teller, IMO. But what I believe happened was that the Mycenaen's were vastly short of resources. So they were desperately needing to obtain these resources to expand. Now as you mentioned earlier about Troy's location, which is north west of Turkey. That was a goldmine – regarding position for resources. So the war was not about love or honor, it was really about greed, as Troy was very wealthy. Now, to the east of Troy was the Hittite Empire, which is modern day Turkey. They were allies to Troy to which they called the city Wilusa . They were a super power as well. They sacked the city of Babylonia which is modern day Iraq. The big empires at the time were The Egyptians, The Babylonians, The Hittite Empire and the Assyrians. So basically, it was Hittite Empire fighting the Mycenaean's over Troy, which they fought on and off for decades. According to the Hittite tablet which were discovered. The Hittites found it very important to keep written records, and did so. There side of the story is a bit different in regards to the characters we know. But It is clearly understood also from the lliad that the Trojans had obviously had connections both with east and west. They had a close relationship with the Greeks. Equally they had similar relationships with the Hittites as well. But how can we ignore these reseblences? Especially if Homer tells us in the lliad that the Trojans and their allies spoke different languages and dialects.


Also Mycenaean armor had its only vulnerable spot on the heel.

As far as religion goes i cant talk about that. Rules, you know.

But yeah, Alex is doing a wonderful job. I can't wait to own one.


Ryu, once again i agree with you. My opinion as well, is that the trojan war was a result of imperialistic motivations of two of the Mycenean kings, Menelaus king of Sparta and Agamemnon king of Mycenae. They obviously wanted to be the ones to lead the Achaeans, to a war against an opposing and wealthy force, so that they would emerge permanently as the main monarchic figures of Achaeans and Greeks generally. And of course the ''spoils'' of war, is the main reason for every war. So, i too believe, that the trojan war occured not to avenge the abduction of a damsell in distress, and to regain honor, but this was just an excuse for a imperialistic quest for expansion of power and wealth. The same thing happens today all around the world. Most of the times a war occures in this world, it occures because of territorial disputes, because more territory means more wealth and more power, and a war is usually declared, with excuses that don't have to do with money, physical resources or anything like that. The irony is that most wars (the worst thing man does) in history were declared, with the excuse of avenging and safeguarding the most important ethical values of man. It's really sad. Man has to learn from History, as well as he learns History.

About the Mycenean armor of that era, it's true that it had a slightely vulnerable spot, which was though difficult to hit because you had to look down and not forward to the enemy you wanted to hit on that part of his body when in very close combat. It was the foot, because the armor didn't cover it usually at all; the soldier wore sandals (usually made of leather), which made the whole foot vulnerable. The leg greaves (knimis) extended from the knee to the end of the leg, before the ankle starts. But as we know Paris shot Achilles unexpectedly, and not in a proper confrontation, and that's why he probably shot the heel and not the front of the foot. Paris used to favor the use of bow generally, and avoided close combat, since he was not that muscular for close combat, a thing which his brother Hector criticised him for, as it was not considered a brave way to fight, especially when it comes to royalty of that era.
There is also one more weak spot, in the Mycenean armor, which though, probably required the loss of the shield during battle, and it was the base of the throat. ''He [Achilles] inspected his [Hector] fine skin, to see where it was vulnerable to a blow. But Hector's entire body was protected by that beautiful armour he'd stripped off powerful Patroclus, once he'd killed him, except for that opening where the collar bones separate the neck and shoulders, at the gullet, where a man's life is most effectively destroyed. As Hector charged, noble Achilles struck him there, driving the spear point through his tender neck''. Homer The Iliad, book 22

[Ryu]

Ryu, once again i agree with you. My opinion as well, is that the trojan war was a result of imperialistic motivations of two of the Mycenean kings, Menelaus king of Sparta and Agamemnon king of Mycenae. They obviously wanted to be the ones to lead the Achaeans, to a war against an opposing and wealthy force, so that they would emerge permanently as the main monarchic figures of Achaeans and Greeks generally. And of course the ''spoils'' of war, is the main reason for every war. So, i too believe, that the trojan war occured not to avenge the abduction of a damsell in distress, and to regain honor, but this was just an excuse for a imperialistic quest for expansion of power and wealth. The same thing happens today all around the world. Most of the times a war occures in this world, it occures because of territorial disputes, because more territory means more wealth and more power, and a war is usually declared, with excuses that don't have to do with money, physical resources or anything like that. The irony is that most wars (the worst thing man does) in history were declared, with the excuse of avenging and safeguarding the most important ethical values of man. It's really sad. Man has to learn from History, as well as he learns History.

About the Mycenean armor of that era, it's true that it had a slightely vulnerable spot, which was though difficult to hit because you had to look down and not forward to the enemy you wanted to hit on that part of his body when in very close combat. It was the foot, because the armor didn't cover it usually at all; the soldier wore sandals (usually made of leather), which made the whole foot vulnerable. The leg greaves (knimis) extended from the knee to the end of the leg, before the ankle starts. But as we know Paris shot Achilles unexpectedly, and not in a proper confrontation, and that's why he probably shot the heel and not the front of the foot. Paris used to favor the use of bow generally, and avoided close combat, since he was not that muscular for close combat, a thing which his brother Hector criticised him for, as it was not considered a brave way to fight, especially when it comes to royalty of that era.
There is also one more weak spot, in the Mycenean armor, which though, probably required the loss of the shield during battle, and it was the base of the throat. ''He [Achilles] inspected his [Hector] fine skin, to see where it was vulnerable to a blow. But Hector's entire body was protected by that beautiful armour he'd stripped off powerful Patroclus, once he'd killed him, except for that opening where the collar bones separate the neck and shoulders, at the gullet, where a man's life is most effectively destroyed. As Hector charged, noble Achilles struck him there, driving the spear point through his tender neck''. Homer The Iliad, book 22

I'm glad we agree. Very good post, and also, it's very good to see another member who likes history.

Peace is the dream of the wise; war is the history of man.

[Arahom Radjah]

Some updates. Now we are starting to get serious. We also cut the column size down!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 22.jpg

[Averone]

Incredible!
I can see why we need the column lowered. You can see so much of the details.
This one is going to be an awesome statue!

[Bullvine]

its looking tight. :thumbs2:

[A Cimmerian]

I'm impressed.

[jedi_don]

Wow! That's some crazy detail, especially on the shields.

[Barbarian]

He'll look great with Leon!

[Arahom Radjah]

I love the shield with Medusa. Very Greek indeed.

[Spartacus]

Some updates. Now we are starting to get serious. We also cut the column size down!

http://www.arhstatues.com/USA 2010/ARES 22.jpg

I love this statue!
Great work with all involved!

Just a suggestion!
What do you think about making the base with steps and a column instead of rock and column???

Arahom you could have all the other 11 Greek God statues coming up to all have different elements of the steps + column look/design! It will create a common link and matching design to all statues in the series!
If you really wanted to go all out, each statue base could also link up/connect! so again, when displaying the entire collection, they would look like a one piece/scene or set that belongs together!

This will also entice collectors to buy all statues released and aim to complete the series/collection!

Just a few ideas!!! What do you think??

[Averone]

Im beginning to take a very keen interest in this statue. I think it will look very nice next to the new Leo.

[slaine]

I love the shield with Medusa. Very Greek indeed.

I also love that shield. Great work Alex!!!

[Joker10]

fine, i getit, i get it, you will get my money for this, sheesh!!! ;)

seriously awesome, this is becoming your most epic statue....until the samurai that is :D

[Averone]

fine, i getit, i get it, you will get my money for this, sheesh!!! ;)

seriously awesome, this is becoming your most epic statue....until the samurai that is :D

Yes we were talking about a Samurai, and a Centurion!
I think that would be so very cool! :thumbs2:

[Ryu]

The detailing is remarkable. Arh, what else would we expect among the base, regarding detail?

[Arahom Radjah]

The detailing is remarkable. Arh, what else would we expect among the base, regarding detail?

I think we are done adding stuff. Now we will clean and detail everything.

I'm already thinking of Athena and Poseidon!

[Arahom Radjah]

Ryu,

Detailing is pretty much up to Alex. I have bothered him a lot 'till now, so I intend to let him finish it his way.

[Arahom Radjah]

I love this statue!
Great work with all involved!

Just a suggestion!
What do you think about making the base with steps and a column instead of rock and column???

Arahom you could have all the other 11 Greek God statues coming up to all have different elements of the steps + column look/design! It will create a common link and matching design to all statues in the series!
If you really wanted to go all out, each statue base could also link up/connect! so again, when displaying the entire collection, they would look like a one piece/scene or set that belongs together!

This will also entice collectors to buy all statues released and aim to complete the series/collection!

Just a few ideas!!! What do you think??

We have six more Olympians coming in this collection. We will surely have room for steps and more columns. This one is pretty much done now, and from now on we will just detail it. What you see is what we'll get.


Interconnecting bases for a 1/4th scale is just impossible. Can you imagine the size of the shelf to display them all connected?! LOL

[Statue and Bust]

That's looks unbelievable

[Mezzanin9]

what about the two swords hangin on the back?
will it be attach to armor behind or there will be a string to attach the swords..??

btw whos the next 6 olympians gods.....can u list arh

(1) Ares
(2) Poseidon
(3) Anthena
(4) ?
(5) ?
(6) ?
(7) ?

[Ryu]

Zeus, Hades, Poseidon - The three brothers would be cool.
Hera, wife/sister to Zeus - which would be cool if Hercules was made down the line :praying: He is my favorite hero.

Aphrodite was mentioned.

[JackFrost]

Ok! this line is going to be EPIC! Ares is awesome!!

..but why only seven?..well then i would like to see..
1) Ares
2)Athena
3)Poseidonas
4)Dias
5)Artemis
6)Apolonas
7)Aphroditi

...Hades is not an Olympian!!!!!

[Mezzanin9]

@ryu tottaly agreed with you mate....hades zeus poseidon and hercules....hehehe

[alpha]

Ok! this line is going to be EPIC! Ares is awesome!!

..but why only seven?..well then i would like to see..
1) Ares
2)Athena
3)Poseidonas
4)Dias
5)Artemis
6)Apolonas
7)Aphroditi

...Hades is not an Olympian!!!!!

Gia sou re Jack. I agree, Hades wasn't an Olympian, nevertheless he must be part of this line. Every pantheon needs it's ultimate ''evil'' god. I'm very excited about Hercules, and i'm really hoping he's not gonna be depicted the way marvel presents him, but in a more realistic way.

http://encefalus.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/hercules.jpg

http://herokids.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/hercules.jpg

[Arahom Radjah]

Well said Alpha!

Hades is not an Olympian since he is the master of the Underworld, BUT we MUST have him in this collection, and the design I have in mind for him is just too cool to pass.

Although we won't have Hercules in this line of gods, he will surely come. He is a must that I'm saving for the right moment!

best,

[Arahom Radjah]

Here is a list of the 7 Gods we will make for this line, 4 men and 3 girls.

Ares
Zeus
Poseidon
Hades
Athena
Aphrodite
Artemis/Diana

[TNovak]

Here is a list of the 7 Gods we will make for this line, 4 men and 3 girls.

Ares
Zeus
Poseidon
Hades
Athena
Aphrodite
Artemis/Diana

I like all of those choices. I know everybody seems to want 1/4 scale on everything but man they take up a lot of display space :banghead:

[Arahom Radjah]

I like all of those choices. I know everybody seems to want 1/4 scale on everything but man they take up a lot of display space :banghead:

After seeing Leonidas and Cleopatra 1/4th in person, I understood why people like this scale so much. I used to think it was too big, but now I'm also in love with the size. 1/4th rules!

[Ryu]

Ok! this line is going to be EPIC! Ares is awesome!!

..but why only seven?..well then i would like to see..
1) Ares
2)Athena
3)Poseidonas
4)Dias
5)Artemis
6)Apolonas
7)Aphroditi

...Hades is not an Olympian!!!!!


Jeez! Easy fella, keep your freakin' pants on. He was important. One of the originals who fought in the Titan War. And not to mention he is the oldest of the three. Hades was of the Olympian generation of Gods, but I know he did not live in Olympus, nor was he one of the twelve Gods, who had thrones on Olympus. He would have had a throne as well, but he chose not to be concerned in most of the matters of the earth. Now, depending on your definition of what an Olympian is. Hades either is one, or isn't one. Personally I'd like to think the generation of gods that followed the Titans as Olympians, and the Gods who lived in Olympus as Gods of Olympus. Now, I just thought it would be cool to have a Hades done by Alex. Okay?

[Alex Pereira]

Jeez! Easy fella, keep your freakin' pants on. He was important. One of the originals who fought in the Titan War. And not to mention he is the oldest of the three. Hades was of the Olympian generation of Gods, but I know he did not live in Olympus, nor was he one of the twelve Gods, who had thrones on Olympus. He would have had a throne as well, but he chose not to be concerned in most of the matters of the earth. Now, depending on your definition of what an Olympian is. Hades either is one, or isn't one. Personally I'd like to think the generation of gods that followed the Titans as Olympians, the Gods who lived in Olympus as Gods of Olympus. Now, I just thought it would be cool to have a Hades done by Alex. Okay?

HAHAHAHA thanks man!!!:thumbs2:
I would love to make the Olympic line.

[Ryu]

HAHAHAHA thanks man!!!:thumbs2:
I would love to make the Olympic line.

You're the best Alex! That would rock :thumbs2:

[alpha]

Here is a list of the 7 Gods we will make for this line, 4 men and 3 girls.

Ares
Zeus
Poseidon
Hades
Athena
Aphrodite
Artemis/Diana
:drooling:
I can't wait for this line. I'm so excited.
P.S.: I will say it once again, though Ryu and myself said it again. Even though Hades was not an Olympian, he was part of the greek pantheon, and if it was excluded from this line of statues, it would be like excluding Loki from an asgardian pantheon line of statues, or Lucifer from a christianic one. It would make the line incomplete. Though i'm sure Jack Frost didn't mean Hades should be excluded. I think he just wanted to state the obvious, because sometimes the obvious isn't nessesarilly known by everyone.

[Joker10]

Yes we were talking about a Samurai, and a Centurion!
I think that would be so very cool! :thumbs2:

a centurion would be amazing, thanks!!!!

[Mezzanin9]

http://encefalus.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/hercules.jpg

:thumbs2: :thumbs2:

[Barbarian]

a centurion would be amazing, thanks!!!!
Meh. Centurions are officers in the Roman army. Never really been a big Rome fan. They stole or borrowed most of what's cool about their society from Greece and others. Now Greece on the other hand... :buttrock:

[Ryu]

http://www.fanboyplanet.com/comics/images/herculesthracianart1.jpg


:buttrock:

[Mezzanin9]

@ Ryu: Nice Post bro....


And For The Stymphalian Birds I heard its ARES Pets...and makes me think why dont arh Change THE Vultures in Ares Base Into Stymphalian Birds

What do you think ??

:dork:

Like This Stymphalian birds sculpted by laurel d austin its myth birds
http://images.elfwood.com/art/d/e/deva/stym_left.jpg

nice huh??:wink2:

[alpha]

http://www.fanboyplanet.com/comics/images/herculesthracianart1.jpg


:buttrock:

that's a fantastic depiction Ryu. What comic is it from? It's so accurate!