Yes, Another Bust Campaign Thread - Women

[Tattoo-X]

VILLAINESSES
Since Villains are the thing for P2 and starting out strong in P3, how about more lady villains?

REDHEADS
Spider-Woman II - 1st Appearance-Secret Wars - Costume was influential for Spidey’s black suit, which later led to Venom. West Coast Avengers - Secret Defenders - Force Works. A MUST BUST.
Tigra - West Coast Avengers - Green eyes - Blue bikini - Bust needs to have tail, but no arm/leg mane.

VARIANTS
Elektra - Different weapons with different suits.
Ms Marvel - Classic 70’s style is great.
Warbird - Cool costume - needs done also.
Savage She-Hulk would also be great.

X-BABES
White Queen - Just look

CAPES
Valkyrie - Cape and weapons, what more could you ask for? Oh, and she's B.A.D.

[Tetragrammaton]

Yes to all.

Just add Amora the Enchantress, Hellcat, and Marvel Girl .

[madjazz]

CAPES
Valkyrie - Cape and weapons, what more could you ask for? Oh, and she's B.A.D.
Oh yes, she is. :)

Did you ever notice that she has a sword AND a spear? :D

[Tattoo-X]

Yes to all.

Just add Amora the Enchantress, Hellcat, and Marvel Girl .
They're there. :)

[Bullseye]

No Lady Deathstrike or Spiral:(

[Dr.V2005]

Don't forget Firestar!!!

[Tattoo-X]

I forgot Spider-Woman II was also in Force Works.
Edited first post.

Bullseye,
Lady Deathstrike and Spiral would be great female villains to bust.:thumbs2:
http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/5009/5009_011.jpg

[Bullseye]

I'd like the S-W 2 idea.

[Tattoo-X]

I'd like the S-W 2 idea.
Me too.
Not a variant.
She's her own character.
Has been on many teams.
Influential character.
Used on many cards and action figures, including Mini-Mates.
She just needs busted now.
http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/4730/200/4730_2_01.jpg

[valemeister]

Don't forget Firestar!!! Yeah! Shame on you, Tattoox. I need a Firestar or I will die.

[Bullseye]

Yeah! Shame on you, Tattoox. I need a Firestar or I will die.

I need Bullseye FS or i'll have to change my name. :)

[Tattoo-X]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.V2005
Don't forget Firestar!!!


Yeah! Shame on you, Tattoox. I need a Firestar or I will die.
Yeah! Shame on you, Tattoox. I need a Firestar or I will die.


Calm down you two.
She's in the pics with the redheads.
I want her too.
She would be great for a New Warriors display, or Spidey and his Amazing Friends.
If she manages to get busted soon, I'll probably display her with the Avengers at first. Hoping to have a New Warriors display someday.

[Bullseye]

How about a Spider-girl Bust?

[Tattoo-X]

How about a Spider-girl Bust?
I'm all for one. :buttrock:
I'd like to see some M2 characters done.
But unfortunately I think we're the minority on this one.

[The Watcher]

I'd like to see a Hela bust to go along with Thor, Loki, Odin and that BRB guy.

[valemeister]

Calm down you two. She's in the pics with the redheads. I want her too.
She would be great for a New Warriors display, or Spidey and his Amazing Friends. If she manages to get busted soon, I'll probably display her with the Avengers at first. Hoping to have a New Warriors display someday. lol, consider me calmed. I'll definately be displaying her with my Spider-man and Iceman busts. Once I get my Clear Iceman from jdh, I'll have one to display with the X-Men and one to display with the Spider-friends. :)

[OneOne78]

Tat, you can put me down for all of them :thumbs2:

How can there not be a P4?

[Tattoo-X]

lol, consider me calmed. I'll definately be displaying her with my Spider-man and Iceman busts. Once I get my Clear Iceman from jdh, I'll have one to display with the X-Men and one to display with the Spider-friends. :)
My clear one is with my variants/exclusives, and my regular is on the Champions/West Coast Avengers shelf.

[Uncle Jake]

It's all about TIGRA and ELEKTRA in phase 3!!!

[madjazz]

Me to.
Not a variant.
She's her own character.
Has been on many teams.
Influential character.
Used on many cards and action figures, including Mini-Mates.
She just needs busted now.
http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/4730/200/4730_2_01.jpg
As the Defender of the Defenders, even I couldn't defend this book! :D

[marvelboi77]

I would love Firestar, and Spidergirl.

[Teague]

As the Defender of the Defenders, even I couldn't defend this book! :D

Yeah, Secret Defenders was....not good.

Let's not let that sully the good name of the Defenders of old! :)

[Tattoo-X]

That may be true, but Spider-Woman II has been around enough to be busted.

[Tetragrammaton]

Yeah, Secret Defenders was....not good.

Let's not let that sully the good name of the Defenders of old! :)

I thought Defenders vol II wasn't too bad but I only read a few early issues.

[madjazz]

I thought Defenders vol II wasn't too bad but I only read a few early issues.
The new mini-series kicked ass in its first issue. I hope it continues.

[Tattoo-X]

We need more babes busted soon!

[sons of set]

THUNDRA!!! and Hellcat.

[Tattoo-X]

We need more babes busted soon!

This needs repeating!

We need more babes busted soon!

[hawkeyethearcher]

mockingbird
enchantress

[Mustangnutbcuz]

I vote for marvel girl 10 times over!!!

[scott]

Jones n' for a Tigra fs.:redface:

[nightstar1441]

What - no calls for Silver Sable or Sabra!!!

For shame....

[Doctor Pym]

Jones n' for a Tigra fs.:redface:
A Tigra FS will be nice. I wouldn't get behind ANOTHER Tigra mini-bust, though... Instead, I would much rather see busts of...

MANTIS
MOCKINGBIRD
MOONDRAGON
MS. MARVEL / WARBIRD
PHOTON

[Tattoo-X]

A Tigra FS will be nice. I wouldn't get behind ANOTHER Tigra mini-bust:thumbsdow , though... Instead, I would much rather see busts of...

MANTIS - YES!
MOCKINGBIRD - YES WCA!
MOONDRAGON - WAY FREAKIN OVER DUE!!!:mad:
MS. MARVEL / WARBIRD - SOON WE'LL HAVE BOTH
PHOTON - YES!!

[Grumpy]

Jocasta?

Death . . . to display with Thanos (either MB or FS)?

[scott]

Is there any love for a Dazzler mb out there?

[DrZombie]

FS Viper,
Silver Sable,
Tigra
and Medusa, please.

After that, BD can make as many Bi-Beast Busts, Bullseye FSs and Wonder Woman stuff as they want...

Throw in a Jim Lee Jean Grey and i`ll forget, that the hands of my Apocalypse statue look kinda scratched as well....

That should be a thread as well... :confused:

[madjazz]

Is there any love for a Dazzler mb out there?
I'm in for a Dazzler (disco version)

[Tattoo-X]

I would love Firestar, and Spidergirl.

Almost two years later, and no sign of them.:bawling:

[Tattoo-X]

MANTIS - YES!
MOCKINGBIRD - YES WCA!
MOONDRAGON - WAY FREAKIN OVER DUE!!!:mad:
MS. MARVEL / WARBIRD - SOON WE'LL HAVE BOTH
PHOTON - YES!!

Over a year, and none of these either.:thumbsdow :bawling: :(

[Doctor Pym]

Over a year, and none of these either.:thumbsdow :bawling: :(
I hear you. And to think, Ms. Marvel / Warbird was one of the 5 winners in the "most requested Avengers busts" poll back in PHASE ONE.

But Carol seems very likely, now that the FSs are on the way. And a thread a few weeks back on the Jinxworld site indicated that Randy is serious about Mockingbird... he was asking for favorite costume designs.

As for the others... well, PM me if you want a lead or two... :D

[JonoJ108]

i'm heartsick that Mockingbird's mb was put on the chopping block over the contract extension issue.

For ANY kind of balance w/ the incredibly obscure array of guy-characters' mb's, there's GOTTA be:

Avengers family:
Mockingbird--ONLY remaining WCA founder not busted, thought-to-be-dead wife of major fan-fave Hawkeye, & currently seen(?) in the blockbuster Secret Invasion storyline;
Captain Marvel2/Photon--ONLY African-American female Avenger & 1 of only 3 major Af-Am heroines in all of Marvel (Storm & Misty Knight), led the Avengers thru the last of the great 80s years, currently in Black Panther;
Moondragon--fierce 70s character from fan-fave George Perez years, bald chicks are kooky-hot, most recently (currently?) in the cosmic books;
Jocasta--another 70s favorite, would complete the set of YJ, Wasp, & Ultron mb's;
Mantis--final 70s lady Avenger, cool design & would be a great physical sculpt;
Sersi--why not? where are the Eternals? but do her Kirby-style, in green;
Firestar--another 70s fave who moved successfully from the mutant family of books to the Avengers, which only a few have done, great design & we love redheads;

X Family:
DAZZLER--for peace in our time, 70s & 80s variants (blue workout gear for me!);
Storm--w/ arms, classic and/or 80s mohawk;
Any of the New Mutants--Moonstar, Magma (fs!), Magik, Wolfsbane (fs!), even Karma;
Phoenix 2 Rachel Summers--Excalibur, red spiky version, please!;
Siryn--d. of Banshee, been a part of the X-family since the 70s, now a mainstay of X-Factor;
Domino--one of the least egregious & obnoxious 90s characters;
Jubilee--aw, why not? but not in that terrible yellow coat, do like Kitty Pryde in the 90s blue & yellow X-uniform;
X-23 (fs!)--coolest new X-girl around;
Lilandra (fs, chrome armor!)--here since the C0ckrum days, Xavier's lady-love to go w/ the new fs;
Hepzibah--esp now that it's clear she's a cat, not a skunk;
Blink--again, why not?

[JonoJ108]

Heroines:
Namora/Namorita--new Agents of Atlas design rocks;
Spitfire--exciting female speedster for the Invaders fans, currently seen in Capt Brtn & MI:13, and she's a vampire!;
Sif--Thor's lady, cool Simonson red costume, more girls with swords!;
Valkyrie (FS!)--speaking of, anchor of the Defenders, would be spectacular;
Red Guardian 2--yay for obscure Cold War Defenders! cool design;
Clea--Dr Strange looks LONELY, very 70s;
Sharon Carter--overlooked Cap heroine, one of the cool nonpowered SHIELD ladies, BIG role in Civil War;
Shanna the She-Devil--w/out her Ka-Zar's only got Zabu . . . ;
Power Princess--w/ Nighthawk & Hyperion, how could you not do Marvel's thinly-veiled Wonder Woman doppelganger?;
Darkstar--SUPER SOVIETS!!!
Vindicator (HH)--80s goggles greatness! i'd love to see BD top the MU version;
Nemesis--cool & creepy Alpha Flight swordswoman (more girls w/ swords!);
Sabra--to see if you're still reading;

[I do also really dig Echo, Lionheart, & Quake, tho they may be too "new"]

[JonoJ108]

Villainesses (any could be fs):
Hela (fs!)--scarier than Death, major Thor baddie w/ an amazing design;
Enchantress--c'mon, Executioner but no Amora? the ORIG Avengers villainess;
Viper/Madame Hydra--has long bedeviled SHIELD, Avengers, Spider-Woman, Daredevil, Wolverine;
Lady Deathstrike--bad-ass Wolverine she-nemesis;
Deathbird--perfect partner to classic X-villains Magneto, Mr Sinister, Omega Red, Lady D, & Mystique;
Madame Masque--Iron Man's chief female villain, chrome her face!;
Moonstone--awesome & ruthless in 80s Avengers' Masters of Evil storyline & current Thunderbolt;
Titania--also of 80s Masters of Evil, Absorbing Man's (mb & fs) wife, She-Hulk's nemesis;
Thundra--fought the Thing to a standstill, women with chains!;
Nekra--kinky 70s creeper, fought Spider-Woman & Captain America;
Satana--who could resist the Devil's Daughter?;
Spiral (fs!)--what sculptor wouldn't want to do crazy Mojo Shiva?
Typhoid Mary--Daredevil LOVES 'em crazy!
Goblin Queen (fs!)--Jean Grey hates herself as a witch;
Gamora--deadliest woman in the universe? well, fine, will go well w/ Captain Marvel & Thanos;
Morgan le Fay (fs!)--would be really hot w/ Hela & Goblin Queen fs's;
Princess Python--Circus of Crime! KINKY!!!

[Tattoo-X]

You are absolutely correct!:buttrock:

Come on Randy, make it so.:thumbs2:

[JonoJ108]

who else has an opinion? i don't want to be a crazed lone gunman out here, tattoo-x thread-starter notwithstanding.

(of course i realize only a fraction of those named could be done this Phase & many may never "get done," but i still stand by it as a list of bust- &/or statue-worthy Marvel female characters.)

[Tattoo-X]

Villainesses (any could be fs):
Hela (fs!)--scarier than Death, major Thor baddie w/ an amazing design;
Enchantress--c'mon, Executioner but no Amora? the ORIG Avengers villainess;
Viper/Madame Hydra--has long bedeviled SHIELD, Avengers, Spider-Woman, Daredevil, Wolverine;
Lady Deathstrike--bad-ass Wolverine she-nemesis;
Deathbird--perfect partner to classic X-villains Magneto, Mr Sinister, Omega Red, Lady D, & Mystique;
Madame Masque--Iron Man's chief female villain, chrome her face!;
Moonstone--awesome & ruthless in 80s Avengers' Masters of Evil storyline & current Thunderbolt;
Titania--also of 80s Masters of Evil, Absorbing Man's (mb & fs) wife, She-Hulk's nemesis;
Thundra--fought the Thing to a standstill, women with chains!;
Nekra--kinky 70s creeper, fought Spider-Woman & Captain America;
Satana--who could resist the Devil's Daughter?;
Spiral (fs!)--what sculptor wouldn't want to do crazy Mojo Shiva?
Typhoid Mary--Daredevil LOVES 'em crazy!
Goblin Queen (fs!)--Jean Grey hates herself as a witch;
Gamora--deadliest woman in the universe? well, fine, will go well w/ Captain Marvel & Thanos;
Morgan le Fay (fs!)--would be really hot w/ Hela & Goblin Queen fs's;
Princess Python--Circus of Crime! KINKY!!!

Villainesses sure are lacking.

[GoldNova]

Villainesses sure are lacking.

Okay. Then add Diamondback and Llyra to the list.

I want Diamondback as both a villain and a hero (from her extended run in Cap). You could also pair her with Black Mamba and Asp. That would be an exceptionally hot grouping!!

[touche22]

I'm up for any female sculpt, we don't have enough!!!

[superdoug]

Volcana! You can even put her in a two-pack wth the Molecule Man, and I won't complain! :D

[JonoJ108]

Okay. Then add Diamondback and Llyra to the list.



cool, i like Diamondback & only recently learned she's been super-soldierized. as fun as Storm & Ms Marvel are, nonpowered heroines are cool.

[glassdancer]

Ummmm..

Dazzler.!

hello!

[touche22]

Ummmm..

Dazzler.!

hello!

Who????

[JonoJ108]

Ummmm..

Dazzler.!

hello!

she's on my list in all-caps, bruh! :thumbs2:

take your finger off the button already!

[rilynil]

For ANY kind of balance w/ the incredibly obscure array of guy-characters' mb's, there's GOTTA be:

Avengers family:
Mockingbird--ONLY remaining WCA founder not busted, thought-to-be-dead wife of major fan-fave Hawkeye, & currently seen(?) in the blockbuster Secret Invasion storyline;
Captain Marvel2/Photon--ONLY African-American female Avenger & 1 of only 3 major Af-Am heroines in all of Marvel (Storm & Misty Knight), led the Avengers thru the last of the great 80s years, currently in Black Panther;
Moondragon--fierce 70s character from fan-fave George Perez years, bald chicks are kooky-hot, most recently (currently?) in the cosmic books;
Jocasta--another 70s favorite, would complete the set of YJ, Wasp, & Ultron mb's;
Mantis--final 70s lady Avenger, cool design & would be a great physical sculpt;
Sersi--why not? where are the Eternals? but do her Kirby-style, in green;
Firestar--another 70s fave who moved successfully from the mutant family of books to the Avengers, which only a few have done, great design & we love redheads;

X Family:
DAZZLER--for peace in our time, 70s & 80s variants (blue workout gear for me!);
Storm--w/ arms, classic and/or 80s mohawk;
Any of the New Mutants--Moonstar, Magma (fs!), Magik, Wolfsbane (fs!), even Karma;
Phoenix 2 Rachel Summers--Excalibur, red spiky version, please!;
Siryn--d. of Banshee, been a part of the X-family since the 70s, now a mainstay of X-Factor;
Domino--one of the least egregious & obnoxious 90s characters;
Jubilee--aw, why not? but not in that terrible yellow coat, do like Kitty Pryde in the 90s blue & yellow X-uniform;
X-23 (fs!)--coolest new X-girl around;
Lilandra (fs, chrome armor!)--here since the C0ckrum days, Xavier's lady-love to go w/ the new fs;
Hepzibah--esp now that it's clear she's a cat, not a skunk;
Blink--again, why not?

Heroines:
Namora/Namorita--new Agents of Atlas design rocks;
Spitfire--exciting female speedster for the Invaders fans, currently seen in Capt Brtn & MI:13, and she's a vampire!;
Sif--Thor's lady, cool Simonson red costume, more girls with swords!;
Valkyrie (FS!)--speaking of, anchor of the Defenders, would be spectacular;
Red Guardian 2--yay for obscure Cold War Defenders! cool design;
Clea--Dr Strange looks LONELY, very 70s;
Sharon Carter--overlooked Cap heroine, one of the cool nonpowered SHIELD ladies, BIG role in Civil War;
Shanna the She-Devil--w/out her Ka-Zar's only got Zabu . . . ;
Power Princess--w/ Nighthawk & Hyperion, how could you not do Marvel's thinly-veiled Wonder Woman doppelganger?;
Darkstar--SUPER SOVIETS!!!
Vindicator (HH)--80s goggles greatness! i'd love to see BD top the MU version;
Nemesis--cool & creepy Alpha Flight swordswoman (more girls w/ swords!);
Sabra--to see if you're still reading;

[I do also really dig Echo, Lionheart, & Quake, tho they may be too "new"]


Great list, Jono! I think X-23 should be at the top of the list to be sculpted because X-23 is the ONLY major player on the entire list who has carried her own miniseries recently. She's had three successful miniseries in four years, been a primary player in New X-Men and is practically a co-lead with Wolverine in the highly rated (and mega-selling) X-Force series.

Many of these characters haven't appeared in comics in years and, if they have, they have been only bit players (yes, that includes Dazzler, who hasn't regularly appeared in comics in -- what is it now? -- decades? She was in Marvel Zombies I, briefly, I think).

X-23 is an absolute must for Bowen Designs! :buttrock:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k42/nadams65/X-23/TargetX.jpg


Another thought: I believe Spider-Girl is one of the few (or is she the only?) female character who carried her own series for more than 100 issues. :thumbs2:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k42/nadams65/photos%202/Spider-Girl.jpg

[touche22]

Many of these characters haven't appeared in comics in years and, if they have, they have been only bit players (yes, that includes Dazzler, who hasn't regularly appeared in comics in -- what is it now? -- decades? She was in Marvel Zombies I, briefly, I think).


Not to nitpick, Neil....but she's been in the Excalibur team since New Excalibur#1 in early 2006. When was the last time we saw Blob?
I'm just messin with ya, Neil!!! :laugh:

But enough about Dazzler, Bowen Designs produces a lot of characters and versions of characters from the early 90's and before. How many Bowen MB are characters that did not exist before the early 1990s? The only one jumping to mind right away is Doop. But there are VERY few characters post 1993 (let's say) made by Bowen. So I can see some of the older characters being done before X-23 or Spider-Girl.

[GoldNova]

cool, i like Diamondback & only recently learned she's been super-soldierized. as fun as Storm & Ms Marvel are, nonpowered heroines are cool.

I wasn't aware of that. Do you know when/where this happened?

[JonoJ108]

I wasn't aware of that. Do you know when/where this happened?

i read it in the latest hc Marvel Universe Hdbk, in Diamondbacks bio/abilities. i'd say it was probably in Cap somewhere in the past few years, but i'm not a devoted reader.

[JonoJ108]

Great list, Jono! I think X-23 should be at the top of the list to be sculpted because X-23 is the ONLY major player on the entire list who has carried her own miniseries recently. She's had three successful miniseries in four years, been a primary player in New X-Men and is practically a co-lead with Wolverine in the highly rated (and mega-selling) X-Force series.

Many of these characters haven't appeared in comics in years and, if they have, they have been only bit players (yes, that includes Dazzler, who hasn't regularly appeared in comics in -- what is it now? -- decades? She was in Marvel Zombies I, briefly, I think).

Another thought: I believe Spider-Girl is one of the few (or is she the only?) female character who carried her own series for more than 100 issues. :thumbs2:


thanks, i think it's a pretty good list, too. i know there're characters not on it, but i'm not that interested in a Stacy X or Silverclaw mb.

X-23 would totally be a great fs, never in dispute.

Dazzler's in New Excalibur & is rejoining the Uncanny X-Men in #500--BOO-YAH!!!

i don't read S-G & i'm not really that curious about out-of-continuity characters. I'll support her fans' campaign because i think it's a cool idea & more female busts should be made.

[glassdancer]

thanks, i think it's a pretty good list, too. i know there're characters not on it, but i'm not that interested in a Stacy X or Silverclaw mb.

X-23 would totally be a great fs, never in dispute.

Dazzler's in New Excalibur & is rejoining the Uncanny X-Men in #500--BOO-YAH!!!

i don't read S-G & i'm not really that curious about out-of-continuity characters. I'll support her fans' campaign because i think it's a cool idea & more female busts should be made.

Thanks Jono.!!

Much obliged!!!!!

[JonoJ108]

Thanks Jono.!!

Much obliged!!!!!

sure, for what? :thumbs2:

[JonoJ108]

i think i should've added Cassandra Nova to the villainess list . . .

[glassdancer]

sure, for what? :thumbs2:

for the clarification on the Dazzler in BOLD.

Thanks again!

[rilynil]

Oops, I forgot Excaliber. That's the one X-book that I've never been tempted to buy. So yes, Dazzler is a proud member of the lowest rated X-book during the past five years. :laugh: :rolleyes:

All of which is beside my main point that X-23 is the highest-profile character (besides Storm) on Jono's list. Randy had been trying to get her added to Phase IV until the length-of-contract fiasco. X-23 will eventually happen. :buttrock:

[touche22]

Oops, I forgot Excaliber. That's the one X-book that I've never been tempted to buy. So yes, Dazzler is a proud member of the lowest rated X-book during the past five years. :laugh: :rolleyes:

All of which is beside my main point that X-23 is the highest-profile character (besides Storm) on Jono's list. Randy had been trying to get her added to Phase IV until the length-of-contract fiasco. X-23 will eventually happen. :buttrock:

And if X-23 does get made, she will be the first character besides Doop (May 2001) that Bowen Designs makes that was introduced later that 1991. I don't count the Modern Captain Marvel FS since it is a variant, but before Doop, the "newest" characters to be made by Bowen Designs were Deadpool (2/1991) and Bishop (11/1991).

[rilynil]

And if X-23 does get made, she will be the first character besides Doop (May 2001) that Bowen Designs makes that was introduced later that 1991. I don't count the Modern Captain Marvel FS since it is a variant, but before Doop, the "newest" characters to be made by Bowen Designs were Deadpool (2/1991) and Bishop (11/1991).

Winter Soldier is getting made from what I hear. There was a modern Wasp bust and a modern Luke Cage fullsize. Variants count as modern versions of characters, IMO. Why wouldn't they count?

But regardless, why would Bowen Designs want to leave money on the table? Sculpting modern characters along with old characters makes good business sense.

[touche22]

Winter Soldier is getting made from what I hear. There was a modern Wasp bust and a modern Luke Cage fullsize. Variants count as modern versions of characters, IMO. Why wouldn't they count?

But regardless, why would Bowen Designs want to leave money on the table? Sculpting modern characters along with old characters makes good business sense.

Variants are variants of long existing characters. Don't get me wrong, Neil.....I'd love to see a lot of newer characters done, but I'm just showing a certain pattern here. If you ask the head of the company(Randy) who makes the list that he presents to Marvel who X-23, Songbird, or any character created in the last 5 years....he either doesn't know who they are or has little interest in them (just my opinion from his posts on the forums). I'd love a lot more sculpts of some newer characters, it just takes us asking for them to even bring them to Randy's attention.

[touche22]

Avengers family:
Mockingbird--ONLY remaining WCA founder not busted, thought-to-be-dead wife of major fan-fave Hawkeye, & currently seen(?) in the blockbuster Secret Invasion storyline;
Captain Marvel2/Photon--ONLY African-American female Avenger & 1 of only 3 major Af-Am heroines in all of Marvel (Storm & Misty Knight), led the Avengers thru the last of the great 80s years, currently in Black Panther;
Moondragon--fierce 70s character from fan-fave George Perez years, bald chicks are kooky-hot, most recently (currently?) in the cosmic books;
Jocasta--another 70s favorite, would complete the set of YJ, Wasp, & Ultron mb's;
Mantis--final 70s lady Avenger, cool design & would be a great physical sculpt;
Sersi--why not? where are the Eternals? but do her Kirby-style, in green;
Firestar--another 70s fave who moved successfully from the mutant family of books to the Avengers, which only a few have done, great design & we love redheads;

X Family:
DAZZLER--for peace in our time, 70s & 80s variants (blue workout gear for me!);
Storm--w/ arms, classic and/or 80s mohawk;
Any of the New Mutants--Moonstar, Magma (fs!), Magik, Wolfsbane (fs!), even Karma;
Phoenix 2 Rachel Summers--Excalibur, red spiky version, please!;
Siryn--d. of Banshee, been a part of the X-family since the 70s, now a mainstay of X-Factor;
Domino--one of the least egregious & obnoxious 90s characters;
Jubilee--aw, why not? but not in that terrible yellow coat, do like Kitty Pryde in the 90s blue & yellow X-uniform;
X-23 (fs!)--coolest new X-girl around;
Lilandra (fs, chrome armor!)--here since the C0ckrum days, Xavier's lady-love to go w/ the new fs;
Hepzibah--esp now that it's clear she's a cat, not a skunk;
Blink--again, why not?
Heroines:
Namora/Namorita--new Agents of Atlas design rocks;
Spitfire--exciting female speedster for the Invaders fans, currently seen in Capt Brtn & MI:13, and she's a vampire!;
Sif--Thor's lady, cool Simonson red costume, more girls with swords!;
Valkyrie (FS!)--speaking of, anchor of the Defenders, would be spectacular;
Red Guardian 2--yay for obscure Cold War Defenders! cool design;
Clea--Dr Strange looks LONELY, very 70s;
Sharon Carter--overlooked Cap heroine, one of the cool nonpowered SHIELD ladies, BIG role in Civil War;
Shanna the She-Devil--w/out her Ka-Zar's only got Zabu . . . ;
Power Princess--w/ Nighthawk & Hyperion, how could you not do Marvel's thinly-veiled Wonder Woman doppelganger?;
Darkstar--SUPER SOVIETS!!!
Vindicator (HH)--80s goggles greatness! i'd love to see BD top the MU version;
Nemesis--cool & creepy Alpha Flight swordswoman (more girls w/ swords!);
Sabra--to see if you're still reading
Villainesses (any could be fs):
Hela (fs!)--scarier than Death, major Thor baddie w/ an amazing design;
Enchantress--c'mon, Executioner but no Amora? the ORIG Avengers villainess;
Viper/Madame Hydra--has long bedeviled SHIELD, Avengers, Spider-Woman, Daredevil, Wolverine;
Lady Deathstrike--bad-ass Wolverine she-nemesis;
Deathbird--perfect partner to classic X-villains Magneto, Mr Sinister, Omega Red, Lady D, & Mystique;
Madame Masque--Iron Man's chief female villain, chrome her face!;
Moonstone--awesome & ruthless in 80s Avengers' Masters of Evil storyline & current Thunderbolt;
Titania--also of 80s Masters of Evil, Absorbing Man's (mb & fs) wife, She-Hulk's nemesis;
Thundra--fought the Thing to a standstill, women with chains!;
Nekra--kinky 70s creeper, fought Spider-Woman & Captain America;
Satana--who could resist the Devil's Daughter?;
Spiral (fs!)--what sculptor wouldn't want to do crazy Mojo Shiva?
Typhoid Mary--Daredevil LOVES 'em crazy!
Goblin Queen (fs!)--Jean Grey hates herself as a witch;
Gamora--deadliest woman in the universe? well, fine, will go well w/ Captain Marvel & Thanos;
Morgan le Fay (fs!)--would be really hot w/ Hela & Goblin Queen fs's;
Princess Python--Circus of Crime! KINKY!

The red ones are the ones I think Randy would be most inclined to be interested in doing without campaigning by the masses.

[JonoJ108]

i think yr instincts are right, touche. however, he's responded "Phz 5" to queries about the Eternals (Sersi), said Sif would "get made eventually," & is at least aware of Dazzler's & X-23's fans.

Captain Marvel2's going to be one of my "grails," then, but i hope she'll be added to Phz 5's list.

[touche22]

Jono, I included Sersi and Sif. I know he's aware of the X-23 and Dazzler fans, the red list is what I think we'd be more likely to see if there was no forum campaigning. I don't think Randy would have considered X-23 or Dazzler if not for the input from the forums.

[rilynil]

Randy confirmed that he was trying to get X-23 added to the list for Phase 4, but that was before the length-of-contract question came up.

[touche22]

Randy confirmed that he was trying to get X-23 added to the list for Phase 4, but that was before the length-of-contract question came up.

He also said he'd try to add Dazzler on the extension list or Phase V.

[JonoJ108]

for some reason i'm really hopeful for Namora, too. don't know why 'cuz i don't read Agents of Atlas. but a fs of her would be a beautiful sculpt.

i'd love to see Hela's huge headdress, gargantuan Titania's big spiky arms, the sexy/scary leer on Goblin Queen, or a vicious lunging Deathbird at some point this Phase.

w/ the incredible female sculpts so far--graceful, powerful, beautiful all at once--it's high time to apply it to the dark side (assuming the already-mentioned Mystique & Enchantress are locked in)!

[glassdancer]

He also said he'd try to add Dazzler on the extension list or Phase V.

yup,....yup,......yup,....yup!!!!!!!

[Tattoo-X]

Okay. Then add Diamondback and Llyra to the list.

I want Diamondback as both a villain and a hero (from her extended run in Cap). You could also pair her with Black Mamba and Asp. That would be an exceptionally hot grouping!!

I ment they're lacking in the number busted.

[Tattoo-X]

Great list, Jono! I think X-23 should be at the top of the list to be sculpted because X-23 is the ONLY major player on the entire list who has carried her own miniseries recently. She's had three successful miniseries in four years, been a primary player in New X-Men and is practically a co-lead with Wolverine in the highly rated (and mega-selling) X-Force series.

Many of these characters haven't appeared in comics in years and, if they have, they have been only bit players (yes, that includes Dazzler, who hasn't regularly appeared in comics in -- what is it now? -- decades? She was in Marvel Zombies I, briefly, I think).

X-23 is an absolute must for Bowen Designs! :buttrock:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k42/nadams65/X-23/TargetX.jpg


Another thought: I believe Spider-Girl is one of the few (or is she the only?) female character who carried her own series for more than 100 issues. :thumbs2:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k42/nadams65/photos%202/Spider-Girl.jpg

That is true.
I was going to mention Spider-Girl didn't make JonoJ108's list.

[VinReaper]

What about my my Villain-ness wish?


Hela

http://www.comicart.pinupcartoongallery.com/SimonsonHela.JPGhttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/127262-52596-hela_large.jpghttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/109549-113984-hela_super.jpghttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/127263-177964-hela_super.jpg



VR

[Tattoo-X]

Randy confirmed that he was trying to get X-23 added to the list for Phase 4, but that was before the length-of-contract question came up.

IMHO, Randy can push back some of those obscure Thor and Iron Man villains, and get Dazzler, Spider-Girl, and X-23 done.

[rilynil]

I must have missed Randy's confirmation of Dazzler. It's a wonder it wasn't announced on CNN. :laugh:

[GoldNova]

IMHO, Randy can push back some of those obscure Thor and Iron Man villains, and get Dazzler, Spider-Girl, and X-23 done.

Can't disagree with you more on this one. I'd rather have the Thor and Iron Man villains. At least they're original.

I have no more love for X-23 and Spider-Girl, than I did for She-Hulk and either Spider-Woman. They lack originality, and were created simply to cash in on the popularity of the big stars.

Bring on Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque!!

[rilynil]

Can't disagree with you more on this one. I'd rather have the Thor and Iron Man villains. At least they're original.

I have no more love for X-23 and Spider-Girl, than I did for She-Hulk and either Spider-Woman. They lack originality, and were created simply to cash in on the popularity of the big stars.

Bring on Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque!!
Everyone's got their own tastes, and that's how it should be, but I have a hard time believing Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque are more popular than She-Hulk, Spider-Woman and X-23. The regular appearances of the latter three far outnumber the appearances of the former three.

[Tattoo-X]

Can't disagree with you more on this one. I'd rather have the Thor and Iron Man villains. At least they're original.

I have no more love for X-23 and Spider-Girl, than I did for She-Hulk and either Spider-Woman. They lack originality, and were created simply to cash in on the popularity of the big stars.

Bring on Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque!!

I agree with your point on originality, and for the female villains you mention.

Some of the obscure villains come out looking pretty cool, but if I had a choice, I'd pass.

Take the female over the male.
Take the hero over the villain.
Take the popular (many issue) character over the seldom seen.

Oh, btw, what's original about these upcoming Iron Man villains? IMO, boring, plain colored, Iron Man knock offs.

[JonoJ108]

Take the female over the male.
Take the hero over the villain.
Take the popular (many issue) character over the seldom seen.



. . . one ring to rule them all . . .

[JonoJ108]

Can't disagree with you more on this one. I'd rather have the Thor and Iron Man villains. At least they're original.

I have no more love for X-23 and Spider-Girl, than I did for She-Hulk and either Spider-Woman. They lack originality, and were created simply to cash in on the popularity of the big stars.

Bring on Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque!!

Hela, Enchantress, & Mme Masque (chrome 'er face!) would be awesome. So would X-23 or Spider-Girl (for her fans) or updated statues/busts of majors like Invisible Woman, Scarlet Witch, or Rogue.

regardless of whether they're original or derivative, these characters are enjoyable & interesting. their worthiness is way too personal & subjective a yardstick. i won't begrudge you Iron Man villains if y'all won't begrudge us more ladies.

[Tattoo-X]

Hela, Enchantress, & Mme Masque (chrome 'er face!) would be awesome. So would X-23 or Spider-Girl (for her fans) or updated statues/busts of majors like Invisible Woman, Scarlet Witch, or Rogue.

regardless of whether they're original or derivative, these characters are enjoyable & interesting. their worthiness is way too personal & subjective a yardstick. i won't begrudge you Iron Man villains if y'all won't begrudge us more ladies.

I think his point is that he like the older characters. I'd take them all. Variety! Not just obscure, old, male, villains please.

[VinReaper]

Can't disagree with you more on this one. I'd rather have the Thor and Iron Man villains. At least they're original.

I have no more love for X-23 and Spider-Girl, than I did for She-Hulk and either Spider-Woman. They lack originality, and were created simply to cash in on the popularity of the big stars.

Bring on Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque!!

I am totally with you!!! :buttrock:

VR

[Tattoo-X]

I am totally with you!!! :buttrock:

VR

Which part?

[VinReaper]

Which part?

All of the quote!

I want original characters and not those that feed off mainstream ones. JMO

As for the Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque, bring'em on! :thumbs2:


VR

[JonoJ108]

gotta love Paul Smith's gentlemanly pencils. Here's a great Clea bust:

http://www.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_5597/subcat_14618/PaulSmithSmall.jpg

[JonoJ108]

http://www.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_6833/subcat_12898/PSmith.jpg

[Tattoo-X]

All of the quote!

I want original characters and not those that feed off mainstream ones. JMO

As for the Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque, bring'em on! :thumbs2:


VR

:stick: Spider-Girl and X-23 :buttrock:

[Tattoo-X]

I can't think of anything that has been totally original for decades now. And this "cashing in" thing has also been done for many decades. For example: Frankenstein - Bride of Frankenstein - Son of Frankenstein...........

How many Thor villains are original, not stolen from Norse mythology?:eek:

[GoldNova]

i read it in the latest hc Marvel Universe Hdbk, in Diamondbacks bio/abilities. i'd say it was probably in Cap somewhere in the past few years, but i'm not a devoted reader.

Hmmm. I don't remember it in Cap. That's one of the few titles I'm relatively up to date on. I'll have to look into it.

Still, thanks for the info.

[marvelboi77]

Can't disagree with you more on this one. I'd rather have the Thor and Iron Man villains. At least they're original.

I have no more love for X-23 and Spider-Girl, than I did for She-Hulk and either Spider-Woman. They lack originality, and were created simply to cash in on the popularity of the big stars.

Bring on Hela, Enchantress and Madame Masque!!

Your also someone that only seems to like charachters because they were in a male book that you liked.

I would rather have Enchantress then Spider Girl. But I would rather have Spidergirl over Hela, and Madame Masque. X-23 I don't want her but good luck to those that do.

[GoldNova]

I agree with your point on originality, and for the female villains you mention.

Some of the obscure villains come out looking pretty cool, but if I had a choice, I'd pass.

Take the female over the male.
Take the hero over the villain.
Take the popular (many issue) character over the seldom seen.

Oh, btw, what's original about these upcoming Iron Man villains? IMO, boring, plain colored, Iron Man knock offs.

I should point out, that I have no objections to seeing either Spider-Girl or X-23 being sculpted. Just that I have no interest in them.

However, that may change over time. As you pointed out, they are more popular (even if they are not original) and they will eventually find their way into mainstream titles, as X-23 is already doing. The more I get exposed to the characters (whether I want to or not) will eventually warm me to them. I may despise the people that created them, but I may eventually grow to like the character over time.

She-Hulk is a perfect example. I hated her when they first created her. Nothing more than a Hulk rip-off. But after several stints in the Avengers, I decided to pick up the bust.

[Tattoo-X]

I should point out, that I have no objections to seeing either Spider-Girl or X-23 being sculpted. Just that I have no interest in them.

However, that may change over time. As you pointed out, they are more popular (even if they are not original) and they will eventually find their way into mainstream titles, as X-23 is already doing. The more I get exposed to the characters (whether I want to or not) will eventually warm me to them. I may despise the people that created them, but I may eventually grow to like the character over time.

She-Hulk is a perfect example. I hated her when they first created her. Nothing more than a Hulk rip-off. But after several stints in the Avengers, I decided to pick up the bust.

I hear ya!

But don't get me started on the She-Hulk bust.:banghead:

[JonoJ108]

She-Hulk is a perfect example. I hated her when they first created her. Nothing more than a Hulk rip-off. But after several stints in the Avengers, I decided to pick up the bust.

i think this makes S-H a "perfect example" of a comic-book character on the whole. a familiar sci-fi concept--human mutated by mysterious cosmic/nuclear energies--given an accessible, flexible, & graphic personality. as often as they're cheesecakey rip-offs, female versions of male characters are an oppt'y to explore the same issues from a different perspective. that, to me, is both creative and original.

[GoldNova]

i think this makes S-H a "perfect example" of a comic-book character on the whole. a familiar sci-fi concept--human mutated by mysterious cosmic/nuclear energies--given an accessible, flexible, & graphic personality. as often as they're cheesecakey rip-offs, female versions of male characters are an oppt'y to explore the same issues from a different perspective. That, to me, is both creative and original.

Creative and original? I just figured she was the Hulk with boobs. :thumbs2:

[JonoJ108]

Creative and original? I just figured she was the Hulk with boobs. :thumbs2:

she would've been if no writer had ever given her other lines than "urrrrr!" by now, she's a completely distinct character. but originality is subjective, so we'll both enjoy what we each enjoy, respectively.

[GoldNova]

Your also someone that only seems to like charachters because they were in a male book that you liked.

I would rather have Enchantress then Spider Girl. But I would rather have Spidergirl over Hela, and Madame Masque. X-23 I don't want her but good luck to those that do.

I must have missed this post earlier.

I would have to both agree and disagree with that comment. Yep, its true that most if not all of the female characters I like originated in a male title. But that's hardly a fair criticism. What female Marvel titles are out there that didn't originate in a male title. Or, as is my point, what female characters that have their own title weren't based on a hugely popular male character.

I appreciate that your a Spider-Woman fan, and are therefore likely to be a little touchy on the subject. But you would have to agree that the purpose of creating Spider-Woman was to cash in on Spidey's huge popularity. I can appreciate that you like the character for her own individuality. Just like Jono likes She-Hulk.

All I'm saying is that blatant exploitation like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and makes it hard for me to warm to the characters. But I do warm to them eventually. I don't rush out to buy their titles. I never bought an issue of She-Hulk or Spider-Woman. To me it felt like I would have been rewarding Marvel for such an obvious and shallow marketing scheme. But through gradual exposure, I become more accepting.

I already purchased a She-Hulk bust because of her association with the Avengers. And I have enjoyed Spider-Woman's presence in the current Avengers saga. I would likely have broken down and purchased the bust by now. Unfortunately, I don't feel the bust constitutes one of Bowen's best efforts. I have never been a Carmine Infantino fan, and I don't like that bust any more than I like the Steve Ditko based Kraven.

[JonoJ108]

All I'm saying is that blatant exploitation like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and makes it hard for me to warm to the characters. But I do warm to them eventually. I don't rush out to buy their titles. I never bought an issue of She-Hulk or Spider-Woman. To me it felt like I would have been rewarding Marvel for such an obvious and shallow marketing scheme. But through gradual exposure, I become more accepting.



jeez, they're just comics.

[GoldNova]

jeez, they're just comics.

Of course they're just comics. But it's also a business. Is it too much to ask Marvel and DC to work a little harder to earn our money?

But when I saw X-23 appear on the scene, the answer was clearly disappointing. It's more of the same old, same old...

But whether I like it or not is irrelevant. The ploy worked, and she seems to be immensely popular. As you said, different strokes for different folks.

[rilynil]

The reason Spider-Woman, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel and all the Batgirls, Batwomen, Supergirls and such are still around decades after their creation is not because of a "marketing scheme." It takes substance for characters to endure and these characters have endured. There have been plenty of ideas that didn't fly, but these characters have proven themselves on their own merits.

[GoldNova]

The reason Spider-Woman, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel and all the Batgirls, Batwomen, Supergirls and such are still around decades after their creation is not because of a "marketing scheme." It takes substance for characters to endure and these characters have endured. There have been plenty of ideas that didn't fly, but these characters have proven themselves on their own merits.

Your missing the point just a little. I'm not saying they're still around 'because' of a marketing scheme. I'm stating they were 'created' because of a marketing scheme.

And yes, the characters have merits of their own. I've conceded that She-Hulk has grown on me over time. And I am a fan of Bat Girl. Although that didn't happen overnight either.

But as a fan, I'm always leary and somewhat insulted when comic creators try to 'cash in' on existing character's popularity. That's all I'm trying to say.

[JonoJ108]

to me it sounds as though you're saying that ANY female character, or any major, popular female character, is a knock-off of a male original, or is it only every one you've mentioned.

i would say that it's actually a very old trope in most character-based narrative to explore similar issues from a different vantage by switching genders, and sometimes this seemingly simple reversal can open up really creative, exciting new avenues. but, to take your much more general, cynical view: oftentimes a female character is deemed necessary for the cheesecake factor, since the target audience for most comics is male. They resurrected Jean Grey so that there'd be a girl in X-Factor.

But, Ms Marvel now bears little resemblance to the orig Captain Marvel. She-Hulk is waaaaaay different than the Hulk. "Spider Woman" is actually a figure out of Native American and African mythology; the Marvel character Jessica Drew bears NO resemblance (except the eyes on her mask) to Spider-Man in terms of origin, powers, appearance, or function w/in the Marvel U. And X-23's function was to include girls/women in the cult of Wolverine, in my opinion. I don't knock Marvel for that.

since many of the female characters you mentioned were created by some of the most iconic names in the business, i think the ship has already sailed.

everyone's entitled to their opinion & if anything your viewpoint ought to spur comics writers & artists to create more unique & interesting heroines & villainesses.

[GoldNova]

To me it sounds as though you're saying that ANY female character, or any major, popular female character, is a knock-off of a male original, or is it only every one you've mentioned.

i would say that it's actually a very old trope in most character-based narrative to explore similar issues from a different vantage by switching genders, and sometimes this seemingly simple reversal can open up really creative, exciting new avenues. but, to take your much more general, cynical view: oftentimes a female character is deemed necessary for the cheesecake factor, since the target audience for most comics is male. They resurrected Jean Grey so that there'd be a girl in X-Factor.

But, Ms Marvel now bears little resemblance to the orig Captain Marvel. She-Hulk is waaaaaay different than the Hulk. "Spider Woman" is actually a figure out of Native American and African mythology; the Marvel character Jessica Drew bears NO resemblance (except the eyes on her mask) to Spider-Man in terms of origin, powers, appearance, or function w/in the Marvel U. And X-23's function was to include girls/women in the cult of Wolverine, in my opinion. I don't knock Marvel for that.

since many of the female characters you mentioned were created by some of the most iconic names in the business, i think the ship has already sailed.

everyone's entitled to their opinion & if anything your viewpoint ought to spur comics writers & artists to create more unique & interesting heroines & villainesses.

And again, I can agree with most of your comments. Except your first one of course. There are numerous female characters I like. And I do not consider them knock-offs of male characters. I stare into my display cabinet at the Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Medusa, Tigra, Invisible Woman, Mystique & others. These are truly wonderful characters.

Like Marvelboi77, you seem to think I have a bias against female characters. And nothing could be further from the truth. It's not female characters I object to. It's knock-offs. It's the companies thinking they can exploit their popular concepts like this, and I'll just fall into line and buy anything they put out.

It would be no different if there was a male character based on a female character. You could argue that the only true iconic female character is Wonder Woman. If there was suddenly a Wonder Man (Simon Williams notwithstanding), I wouldn't like it any better.

[JonoJ108]

And again, I can agree with most of your comments. Except your first one of course. There are numerous female characters I like. And I do not consider them knock-offs of male characters. I stare into my display cabinet at the Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Medusa, Tigra, Invisible Woman, Mystique & others. These are truly wonderful characters.

Like Marvelboi77, you seem to think I have a bias against female characters. And nothing could be further from the truth. It's not female characters I object to. It's knock-offs. It's the companies thinking they can exploit their popular concepts like this, and I'll just fall into line and buy anything they put out.

It would be no different if there was a male character based on a female character. You could argue that the only true iconic female character is Wonder Woman. If there was suddenly a Wonder Man (Simon Williams notwithstanding), I wouldn't like it any better.

ok, i see what you mean now. i get your concept & share yr admiration for the Marvel matriarchs you named (where the HELL is that Wasp fs, already?!?), but don't agree 100% that in all cases the comics are guilty of what you say. but you're totally right to vote, as it were, w/ your dollar.

One of the reasons, among several, that i do enjoy She-Hulk is that i actually don't consider the Hulk that fascinating (So . . . he's mad. And?), but it is interesting to me as a conceptual exercise to put that superhuman, gamma-fueled rage into a woman's body & see what happens. The original inspiration for the character MAY be suspect, but the subsequent 30+ years of mostly enjoyable comics mitigates that, at least for me. I don't think they'd try out a Scarlet Warlock or He-Storm just to further capitalize on successful properties.

but thanks for clarifying & continuing the convo w/out getting peevish or lashy-outty, as can sometimes happen over differences of opinion in this airless chamber.

[GoldNova]

ok, i see what you mean now. i get your concept & share yr admiration for the Marvel matriarchs you named (where the HELL is that Wasp fs, already?!?), but don't agree 100% that in all cases the comics are guilty of what you say. but you're totally right to vote, as it were, w/ your dollar.

One of the reasons, among several, that i do enjoy She-Hulk is that i actually don't consider the Hulk that fascinating (So . . . he's mad. And?), but it is interesting to me as a conceptual exercise to put that superhuman, gamma-fueled rage into a woman's body & see what happens. The original inspiration for the character MAY be suspect, but the subsequent 30+ years of mostly enjoyable comics mitigates that, at least for me. I don't think they'd try out a Scarlet Warlock or He-Storm just to further capitalize on successful properties.

but thanks for clarifying & continuing the convo w/out getting peevish or lashy-outty, as can sometimes happen over differences of opinion in this airless chamber.

Well, now you could spin me off on a whole new topic. :D :laugh:

Like yourself, I was never a big Hulk fan myself. When I started cutting back numerous years ago, his title was among the first to be cut. I normally prefer my heroes to be:

a) more intellectual
b) more vulnerable

They don't have to be Einsteins like Reed Richards. But I'm not overly fond of the raging behemoths.

And when the characters are as invulnerable as the Hulk, I find them boring. Probably the most hated superhero for me is ... Superman. I appreciate that he was a very novel character for his time. But they just made him too damn powerful. Unless you happen to have Kryptonite in your back pocket (like Batman) you simply can't hurt the guy. I watched the latest Superman movie, and nearly left the theatre when he was shot in the eye, and the bullet bounced off. That in a nutshell was everything I hated about the character.

Characters like Batman, Captain America, Spidey and Daredevil are infinitely more interesting to me, because they put their life on the line every day. Superman may save lives, but his own is rarely at risk. Big difference.

[Tattoo-X]

Let's get back on topic.