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Sithlord32
03-08-2014, 09:16 PM
Here is a presentation consolidating information on collecting art prints, posters, drawing, paintings and the like. In my years of collecting art I have had many inquires and blunders alike. Here I would like to consolidate this knowledge in hopes of helping anyone new or old to collecting paper artifacts. So without further adieu lets get this party started.

BUYING
-Before you can collect one needs to be able to obtain! Once only a market exclusive to some the collecting of art over the years has shifted with the birth of the internet to a consumer based and i use this term loosely "product."
-There are many portals for obtaining works be it local galleries & art shows, direct from the artist as a limited run or a commissioned piece. Online purchasing seems to be the norm for most as it opens a huge window to those of us not available to obtain in otherwise limited methods.
-Unless you are solely in the market for the profit, (which is an ongoing dilemma for many of us) art as anything should be held at its personal value per person.Should you pay $500 for a print or $25,000 for a original piece of art?
-What ever limits you have or do not have at your disposal are not always a justification for price. You might find much more joy in a piece framed for $40. It is all about what YOU like and what the personal value is to yourself.
-I always try to keep that in mind as sometimes driving prices from resellers do not always hold their monetary value so make sure what you are buying is for yourself. Not only an investment of hard earned cash but rather an investment of the soul. :thumbs2:

Here are some links to some popular online portals to get your motor running.
-Darkinkart (http://www.darkinkart.com/index.html)
-Bottleneck (http://www.bottleneckgallery.com/)
-Ltdart (http://www.ltdartgallery.com/)
-Acmearchives (http://www.acmearchivesdirect.com/)
-Mondotees (http://www.mondotees.com/)
-Herocomplex (http://www.herocomplexgallery.com/)
-expressobeans (http://expressobeans.com/)
-Spoke-art (http://www.spoke-art.com/)
-Gallerydirect (http://www.gallerydirectart.com/)

HANDLING CARE & CONSERVATION
-Works of art on paper are by tendency fragile and should be treated thusly. There is a reason for the way museums display the art they have in their collections. Its not just to keep kids with runny noses and clumsy people with all thumbs at a distance. There are many factors that can affect any works of art not just paper artifacts.
-Here are some factors to take into consideration that could adversely affect your paper or other collectables:

*LIGHT Sunlight and artificial light both can fade out the colors of the inks or paints and yellow paper. Once this process starts there is no reversing it. A conservationist for a large sum of money can restore art to a better condition but the damage will never be fully recuperated. Not that you cant have your framed print in a room that receives sunlight just keep it out of direct "beating" light. Also framing a piece of art is not truly considered a way to conserve but is more a way to display. Even with the best frame up and the best glass and keeping it in a climate controlled light controlled room the effect of exposure will eventually be noticeable even if only to a very slight degree.

*POLLUTION Sweat or oils from skin, dust, dirt, acids and other contaminants such as mold and insects are all the bane of collectors. Always avoid storing any art or collectables where these issues are or could become a factor. Any kind of matting used in framing or a backboard, poster board, glassine/PH paper (http://www.jerrysartarama.com/discount-art-supplies/archival-storage/glassine-neutral-ph-paper-roll.htm) paper basically anything that comes in direct contact with the print for any given time NEEDS to be ACID FREE if you want to ensure the quality of your works.

*HEAT Controlled temperature is not a issue for the vast majority but fluctuations in temperature or constant exposure to higher degrees can cause the fibers in paper to become stiff or brittle. Do not hang art even in a frame over or close to a heat source or vent.

*HUMIDITY This is the major cause of mold. The term foxing is used here as the humidity causes spotting on the paper. This can often happen when stored in a basement or likewise condition with little to no air flow. Complete lack of humidity is also not desirable. A range of about 50% should be maintained. Yes paper sure is a fussy. Fine art is like women in many ways...I kid, I kid! :D

HANDLING
-Before you can care for and or conserve your art you must first handle it. Wearing cotton gloves many would recommend as the oils from your even newly scrubbed clean dry hands can still leave impressions or stains on the paper. This is not absolute of course and is more again just a matter of preference. I have a pair and use them from time to time.
-Handling your art work at all should be as limited as needs be with caution even if protected in a sleeve as to not wrinkle or crease the paper accidentally.
-Keep away from open flames, water,food, children, pets, tornadoes, tsunamis and other likely destructive forces. :stick:
-Rather than plagiarize, I cannot explain it much better and there are already pictures and everything you need to know about preparing a print for shipping here HOW TO ROLL A PRINT (http://expressobeans.com/wiki/index.php/Shipping_Prints)
-With transportation of art being a needed part of collecting there comes the unsakely task of preparing a print for storage or framing. If it is shipped rolled is.....getting it FLAT! I do believe this to be one of the most asked questions with a very long list of answers. so.....

FLATTENING
-First off how about a quick whack at what NOT TO DO. Please remember this is my opinion from personal experience and in no way reflects on any kind of absolute answer. Always feel free to do what you think is best and be innovative this is just what it is a guide.
-Back-rolling prints or rolling against the curl. I would not advise this. I do not like this method though some do. My reasons for this are: Your exposing the art on the outside of the roll making it easy to catch dust or dirt or get scratched even with PH paper intact. Another is the fibers in the paper have a "memory" and resiliency and I have seen many a time after back rolling (and then flattening with weights and foam boards) that that "memory" is there and it creates a wavy effect in the paper the same way as if you try to flatten a print with a heavy curl to fast right out of the tube. Another is I have also seen where the ink gets spider-webbed from it cracking under the duress of being rolled to long in one direction then rolled up against the curl. This is very particular in relation with prints on canvas.

-Some people use a iron without steam to speed along the process. I do not concur with this either. Its seems far to easy to damage the paper using this method. If you wanted to go this route or need it flat fast take it to a frame shop or print place they have a press that they use to flatten it out and usually wont charge to much for the service.

These are my methods for flattening which are tried and true and im sure you will find a large majority of people with similar methods:.

-Start by removing all the tape from the craft paper it was rolled in so it does not accidentally catch on the print or the PH paper. Find something suitable to hold down the corners of the print like a magazine, dvd case, cloth bean bag or a couple of glasses etc.

-Gently start to unroll the print and place the weights on the corners. Unroll almost all the to the end then gently let it curl itself back up. The weights are there to prevent snap-back which can potentially cause damage. I remove the corner weights and just let it sit and let it uncurl on its own for a bit.
This might or might not be a option if you cannot leave it sit without worry of tampering but I let it sit for at least a few hours sometimes a day. This gives the fibers in the paper a chance to loosen themselves without force.

-After it has had a chance to loosen itself some I lay a piece of glassine/PH paper (http://www.jerrysartarama.com/discount-art-supplies/archival-storage/glassine-neutral-ph-paper-roll.htm) over acid free foam board (http://www.matboardplus.com/backer-boards/acid-free-3-16-foam-board/22x28-conservation-foam-board/) then place the print with the curl down.(usually print side down) The other piece of PH paper it usually will come with I place on the backside then place a magazine on each end or each side with the magazine protruding off the edge of the foam board.
-After that is all together I place the second foam board on top and place gentle pressure on one side (where ever the magazine is placed) and slip the magazine out rinse and repeat for the other side.
Now all that is left is to add some weights to top but not so much weight that it cause any creasing or caving of the board as that will end up reflecting on the print. Ive heard of people putting prints between boards and parking their cars on them...seems a bit excessive but whatever floats your boat! I use a small stack of magazines on each corner of the board with a 10 lb barbell weight on each stack and one in the center.Boom done! :buttrock:. It could take as little as a day or as long as a month for really stubborn curl in a thick paper to become flat. The hard part is done now its just tick tock tick tock. :thumbs2:

-Also you may try to forgo or rather jump ahead a step and place the print a archival print protectors (https://www.bagsunlimited.com/c-576-archival-print-protectors.aspx). or polyester (Mylar) sleeves (https://www.bagsunlimited.com/c-214-mylar-polyester-sleeves.aspx) before placing between boards and weights to flatten. This is tough and you risk damaging the print if it has a strong curl to it. Remember even though these sleeves and prints and drawings alike are assigned a size does not always mean the proportions are exact! I say better to be safe than sorry and wait till it at least is mostly flat before sliding into a protective sleeve or bag. Saran wrap or plastic food wrap might be good for a lot of things but so is duct tape. Would you put that on your art? Leave the kitchen in the kitchen on that one.


-Having multiple pieces of acid free foam board (http://www.matboardplus.com/backer-boards/acid-free-3-16-foam-board/22x28-conservation-foam-board/) in different sizes might be suitable for your situation. I stick with the bigger size as It fits all my prints.If there is more than one to flatten I can stack them in that process without using anymore space or worry about weight distribution from different sizes being stacked which is also convenient.

-There are other viable methods but this is inexpensive as you can reuse all of it again and again with the occasional replacement of the glassine/PH paper (http://www.jerrysartarama.com/discount-art-supplies/archival-storage/glassine-neutral-ph-paper-roll.htm) and every so often the acid free foam board (http://www.matboardplus.com/backer-boards/acid-free-3-16-foam-board/22x28-conservation-foam-board/). I store all of these components in a large plastic bag (folded under itself to keep out dust etc...)under my bed when not in use. If you are in a pinch or need a substitute for whatever reason to replace the PH paper or just need something acid free I have found some acid free smooth finished water color paper in larger sheets at a local craft store for $5 a sheet.

-There is this nifty way as well and it does work awesome but it gets expensive if you want to do multiples or need to replace it. I have a single sheet myself and I do use it for prints with a heavy curl or on very thick paper. At some point I will probably buy more if I can find a better price. It is using Silcone rubber sheets (http://www.rubbersheetroll.com/silicone-rubber-commercial-grade.html). You can get two sheets at 24x36 for about $85 shipped. Also you can find similar silicone sheets for baking although cheaper they are a thicker size than the 1/32 and do not roll up well. Also remember you want them to be smooth and not to have any kind of ridging molded into them.

-CONSERVATION
-Tubes are the worst form of having to store your prints or drawings for a length of time outside of underneath your mattress or in the freezer. :nuts:
- The top forms of conservation and storage are archival in nature and material. The first and foremost and of course the most expensive and cumbersome are flat files. (http://www.jerrysartarama.com/discount-art-supplies/studio-furniture/flat-files/safco-art-racks-flat-files-and-stacking-trays/safco-steel-flat-files-and-accessories.htm) these come in a variety of shapes, sizes, materials and colors. Your prints placed in archival print protectors (https://www.bagsunlimited.com/c-576-archival-print-protectors.aspx) (some of which have a resealable top) then stored in a flat file assure the utmost quality and protection.
-Metal constructed flat files are generally preferable over wood. The archival quality paint finish ensures no out-gassing like you might get from wood and that the atmosphere in the flat files has no acidity or alkalinity (ph) created by the finish. There are wooden files treated properly to prevent this.
-The top side can also be used as a convenient place to flatten your paper artifacts and as you can see in the picture they can be adorned with coasters for easy movement as well as a top side presentation that can be easily changed out. Most of the drawers that make up the file come with a hinged hood and flap on the opening to encapsulate your works from further harm.
http://i57.tinypic.com/2llnlts.jpg

-An easier more affordable and maybe more desirable method depending on your tastes are archival museum boxes, presentation cases and portfolios. (http://www.jerrysartarama.com/discount-art-supplies/portfolios-and-presentation.htm). Presentation cases are different from portfolios in that they almost always contain a ring binder and sheet protectors, but similar to portfolios in that they have zip closures, and often handles as well. They are designed more for presentations than for transportation, so they aren't available in sizes as large as portfolios are. Both cases typically comes with several sheet protectors but, the presentation case may have the capacity to store more. Additional sheet protectors, compatible with the ring mechanism, can sometimes be ordered separately.

-Please note also that not all are of the same make and quality and even size. Common issues are sized prints not quite fitting to the dimensions of the sleeve and getting two prints per page isnt always going to happen. Also the bindings on the edges of the sleeves can start to tear and the rings can come loose or fall open. I haven't owned enough of these to justify a vast opinion on quality but I will say my picturesque vs the small Itoya (http://www.itoya.com/index.htm) I have I prefer the Itoya.
-Be aware that these get quite heavy when they are filled and you could easily rip or tear the handle when picking them up if the design is faulty or the quality of the case is questionable. The last thing you want to do is drop a whole case full of your time and effort.

Well thats that I hope this finds its way to those who find it useful. There is plenty of research and options out there in product lines so make sure you do a little checking around to find what suits your needs as the links I provided are only from my own research, use and needs. I will add to this and revise as time goes and knowledge is gained. Im out, stay :cool: true believers.

RabagaZt
03-08-2014, 10:15 PM
Thank you! This post was very helpful for me :)

Sithlord32
03-08-2014, 10:44 PM
Thank you! This post was very helpful for me :)
Your welcome! Glad it was put to use!

furycat
03-09-2014, 02:15 AM
really help full info ,, now i have to flatten couple of my prints

ONEYE
03-09-2014, 02:54 AM
http://www.statueforum.com/images/statue-forum/rating/rating_5.gifExcellent

Hellboy
03-12-2014, 08:40 PM
Good stuff Sithlord. Lots of great advice and tips there. This should help a lot of collectors new to the hobby and probably even some uninformed veterans as well. :thumbs2:

Nidgit
03-12-2014, 08:51 PM
Great stuff mate. Thanks. :cool:

Although I'm quite partial to the "buy prints on mass, stuff them into a portfolio, don't frame them and don't look at them again" philosophy to print collecting.

You guys should try it :confused2

Sithlord32
03-12-2014, 09:08 PM
Good stuff Sithlord. Lots of great advice and tips there. This should help a lot of collectors new to the hobby and probably even some uninformed veterans as well. :thumbs2:
Thanks Hellboy! I will try to add to it and make it definitive as I can.
Great stuff mate. Thanks. :cool:

Although I'm quite partial to the "buy prints on mass, stuff them into a portfolio, don't frame them and don't look at them again" philosophy to print collecting.

You guys should try it :confused2

Haha. I think those of us that collect art have to do this at some point as there is never enough wall space for every piece BUT I would recommend looking at them from time to time at least. Its very refreshing and enjoyable or you could just use em as kindling but let me have a crack at em first ;)

FROBAY
03-12-2014, 09:19 PM
Great post.

Sithlord32
03-12-2014, 09:59 PM
Great post.

Thanks Frobay! I appreciate all feedback from everyone and if anyone has any insight I would be more than willing to work it in!

MONSTER
03-13-2014, 12:46 AM
Right from the tube and onto the walls is the only way to go. I was using scotch tape but I've recently switched to thumb tacks. That way I don't have to worry about the prints falling off the wall.

ONEYE
03-13-2014, 12:53 AM
Right from the tube and onto the walls is the only way to go. I was using scotch tape but I've recently switched to thumb tacks. That way I don't have to worry about the prints falling off the wall.

I'm been using nails, you know, to be sure.

lordrycon
03-13-2014, 03:57 AM
I appreciate all the effort that went into the post Sithlord. Love the flat file coffee table.

Sithlord32
03-13-2014, 03:42 PM
Right from the tube and onto the walls is the only way to go. I was using scotch tape but I've recently switched to thumb tacks. That way I don't have to worry about the prints falling off the wall.

I'm been using nails, you know, to be sure.
You both need to try a gorilla glue evenly layered across the whole backside. Then use a roller to pick up those nice puttied dry wall inclusions. Its like magic in a tube and when you want to move it its already mounted all you have to do cut out around it with a sawz-all.
I appreciate all the effort that went into the post Sithlord. Love the flat file coffee table.
Thanks Lordrycon, the coffe table is win win!!

ONEYE
03-13-2014, 03:58 PM
You both need to try a gorilla glue evenly layered across the whole backside. Then use a roller to pick up those nice puttied dry wall inclusions. Its like magic in a tube and when you want to move it its already mounted all you have to do cut out around it with a sawz-all.


Great idea! I've got those "orange peel" wall textures. I'll press the roller really hard to make sure I pick all of that detail. It'll be a custom print then. Sure to generate beau coup dollars when I flip it in a week.

MONSTER
03-13-2014, 04:32 PM
On a serious note, thanks for taking the time to do this. Some really great info shared.

Now I need to get that coffee table.

Sithlord32
03-13-2014, 05:01 PM
Great idea! I've got those "orange peel" wall textures. I'll press the roller really hard to make sure I pick all of that detail. It'll be a custom print then. Sure to generate beau coup dollars when I flip it in a week.

:D

ONEYE
03-17-2014, 02:47 AM
I've got it! Laminate your posters & prints! Then, when you want to flip them, all you have to do is peel off the lamination. :D

lordrycon
03-17-2014, 03:33 AM
I've got it! Laminate your posters & prints! Then, when you want to flip them, all you have to do is peel off the lamination. :D

flip them??? who would want to do that? not me, that's why I write my name on all mine :D

Sithlord32
03-17-2014, 06:18 PM
On a serious note, thanks for taking the time to do this. Some really great info shared.

Now I need to get that coffee table.

Thanks for the vote Monster and yeah Id really like that table for myself.

I've got it! Laminate your posters & prints! Then, when you want to flip them, all you have to do is peel off the lamination. :D
:drinking:
flip them??? who would want to do that? not me, that's why I write my name on all mine :D
With most of the signatures out there now days that are not legible you probably could sign it and no one would know lol.

Sithlord32
03-18-2014, 10:26 PM
THANKS FOR THE STICKY GUYS!!!! YOU ROCK!!!

Edit(10/28/14):Going to be updating this shortly

demonhunter
03-28-2014, 10:27 PM
Most informative. Thank you.

Vracula
10-28-2014, 10:20 AM
oops

Synzaic
11-12-2014, 02:30 PM
Does anyone have a link to buy that flat file coffee table? Or one similar to it?

Synzaic
11-12-2014, 02:33 PM
Also if your get a flat file 5 drawer case..... Can you store more then 1 print per drawer? Or would it only hold 5 prints?

ZenLogikos
11-12-2014, 10:14 PM
I'm no expert as I've only been collecting prints for a few months, but googling "flat file coffee table" should give you plenty of options. Flat file drawers are usually a couple inches deep, so your prints can use all that space if you stack them (with kraft paper between or in sleeves). When I get a flat file coffee table, I'd probably only store one print in the top file (beneath the glass) because it would make for a better display.

Hemooo
11-16-2014, 06:13 PM
very useful info, thanks a lot :)

Sithlord32
11-16-2014, 07:37 PM
Also if your get a flat file 5 drawer case..... Can you store more then 1 print per drawer? Or would it only hold 5 prints?

I'm no expert as I've only been collecting prints for a few months, but googling "flat file coffee table" should give you plenty of options. Flat file drawers are usually a couple inches deep, so your prints can use all that space if you stack them (with kraft paper between or in sleeves). When I get a flat file coffee table, I'd probably only store one print in the top file (beneath the glass) because it would make for a better display.

very useful info, thanks a lot :)

I will be adding a significant amount of detail to this sticky some of which will be regarding flat files. Working on it at the moment just a long process.

Depending on the depth of the drawer you can very easily store 10-20 prints or many more per drawer depending on the drawer: if the bottom of the drawer is lined or not and whether you use bags sleeves or glassine to separate them.

Your welcome Hemooo glad you found it useful.

bloodrain
04-30-2015, 02:01 AM
I just got a used flat file (maybe now i can actually clear stuff off and around my pool table to actually play) but what are you guys using to store prints inside the flat files. Ive seen bags listed somewhere but for larger prints they seemed super expensive so im curious what you guys use.

Also for that window coffee table look how did you go about cutting the top and make it smooth or did you buy it premade?

edit: I came across framedestination website who sell various size crystal clear acid free bags (slightly bigger than each common print size for easy insertion) for cheap. Im sure there are other companies out there that might sell something similar for good prices.

OrangeCrush
11-16-2015, 12:29 AM
Great post. Some really helpful stuff in there, especially for beginners.

Personally, I HIGHLY recommend always using cotton gloves when handling artwork. Even if you wash your hands right before handling the artwork, there are still tiny amounts of oil that will find its way onto the prints. Considering how ridiculously cheap cotton gloves are and the fact that it only takes 5 seconds to put a pair on, there is just no excuse for not wearing them. I haven't touched a piece of art without gloves on in over 10 years. Its just a very good habit to get into.

I recommend Light Impressions Deluxe Cotton Gloves:

http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com/product_images/large/large382.jpg

http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com/deluxe-white-gloves-small/glazing-tools-supplies/

A box of 12 pairs costs around $42 or basically $3.50 per pair. They last a LONG time if properly taken care of. I keep mine stored in an archival 4x5 negative box along with a Pelican 1500D Desiccant Silica Gel Canister. That way the gloves remain perfectly dry. Some would probably say thats a bit overkill, but I take archival storage and proper handling of my artwork extremely seriously!!

When you wash your cotton gloves, I highly recommend using a detergent like Charlies Soap over name brand detergents like Tide or all of the other popular brands you normally see in department stores.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71WLvUWkQ9L._SY679_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QC9JGY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00

Charlies Soap is basically one of the highest quality biodegradable, environmentally safe and hypo-allergenic detergents on the market and most importantly, it completely rinses out and leaves absolutely no residue behind. It has no abrasives, no lye, no phosphates, no bleach, no dyes, and no perfume. Popular detergents like Tide, Gain, All, etc cannot say the same and all leave residue behind. The same goes for fabric softeners so do not use a fabric softener. Just use Charlies Soap, nothing more and nothing less.

Basically, if your going to take this aspect of collecting seriously and spend the extra money to use archival materials and use safe and proper handling methods, like wearing cotton gloves, make sure you go the full 9 yards and do it right.

As for the storage route, I use Safeco flat file storage cabinets for my really large prints and use Light Impressions portfolio boxes for my prints that are 20x24 or smaller. The benefits to using portfolio boxes is overall price (quality flat files are very expensive) and Light Impressions portfolio boxes are lined with library-quality fabric and acid-free Apollo Paper, so they ultimately provide a more protected environment than your basic flat file cabinets. Here is a link to Light Impressions Portfolio Boxes:

http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com/product_images/large/large204.jpg

http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com/black-portfolio-box-white-lining-14-x-18-x-2/archival-presentation-boxes/

I honestly can't give these portfolio boxes a higher recommendation. They are really high in quality and are just beautifully built. I have some that are over 10 years old and still in amazing condition. Between myself and all of the other photographers and artists I know, I have seen first hand almost every brand of storage box and portfolio on the market and Light Impressions Portfolio Boxes are really as good as they get. These will protect your prints as well as any other portfolio or print box out there.

For portfolios and presentation cases, I recommend Prat's Start 4 for 18x24 prints and Itoya's Profolio Professional Portfolios for prints that are 13x19 or smaller.

If you do go with flat file cabinets, I highly recommend Safeco.

http://www.safcoproducts.com/SearchDisplay?categoryId=&storeId=10151&catalogId=3074457345616677218&langId=-1&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&showResultsPage=true&searchSource=Q&pageView=&beginIndex=0&pageSize=60&searchTerm=flat+file#facet:&productBeginIndex:0&orderBy:&pageView:grid&minPrice:&maxPrice:&pageSize:&

They have a HUGE selection and some nice bases available. I prefer the 20" base as it allows you to store a bunch of stuff underneath, including supplies like your cotton gloves. Here is picture of Safeco's 20" flat file base:

http://www.safcoproducts.com/wcsstore/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetStore//htdocs/productMgr/img_lr/4975WH_lr.jpg

There is a short video on the following page that gives a quick explanation of Safeco's flat file system along with the bases.

http://www.safcoproducts.com/products/seating/runtz™/high-base-for-4994-4975wh#YouTube

Another good flat file company is Mayline.

http://www.mayline.com/drafting-furniture.php?pass=1&direct=Interlocking%20Steel%20Plan%20Files

You really can't go wrong with either one, but again brand new Flat Files are not cheap, especially if you buy a base. I highly recommend using Light Impression Portfolio boxes if you can. Unfortunately, they don't come any larger than 20x24 so if you collect prints larger than that, your going to have to look for alternate storage methods, like flat files.

Just remember to never store your prints rolled. In all honesty, you should avoid rolled prints whenever possible. I know that isn't possible all the time, but if a seller is willing to ship a print rolled or flat, always take the flat option even if it winds up costing you more money. The memory Sithlord spoke of is actually the paper fibers stretching. In all honesty, a print should never be rolled in anything smaller than a 5" diameter tube. As long as a print is rolled in a tube with that size diameter, you will have no problem flattening it back out. The smaller the diameter of the tube, the more tightly the print has to be rolled and the tighter you roll a print, the more severe the stretching of the paper fibers. Once you get down to the 2" diameter range, its very likely your print will have permanent stretching of the paper fibers and the print will never lay perfectly flat again regardless of the methods used to flatten it. What winds up happening when you get permanent stretching of the paper fibers is you start to get a wavy pattern or ripples in the print. Anything more than 24 hours rolled at small diameters and your likely going to have some degree of permanent stretching damage.

Again, stick with prints that are shipped flat whenever possible and if you do wind up with a seller that is going to use a tube, ask him the diameter of the tube he intends to use and even ask him if he is willing to use a larger diameter tube. I have done that many times on eBay. If the seller is planning on using a tube that has a diameter of 2" or less and refuses to move up to a bigger tube, I recommend not buying the print at all. Personally, I won't buy a print that is being shipped in a tube unless it has at least a 4" diameter. Again, 5" is preferable, but I will accept a 4" tube as I own a heated print press and am able to flatten prints relatively easily. Again, as long as you stick with 4" or larger, you will not run into permanent stretching damage.

OrangeCrush
11-16-2015, 01:20 AM
I just got a used flat file (maybe now i can actually clear stuff off and around my pool table to actually play) but what are you guys using to store prints inside the flat files. Ive seen bags listed somewhere but for larger prints they seemed super expensive so im curious what you guys use.

Also for that window coffee table look how did you go about cutting the top and make it smooth or did you buy it premade?

edit: I came across framedestination website who sell various size crystal clear acid free bags (slightly bigger than each common print size for easy insertion) for cheap. Im sure there are other companies out there that might sell something similar for good prices.

I am not a fan of poly bags with backing boards and Mylar sleeves are a pain for large prints. Plus stacking them on top of one another just does't work very well. I now use Gaylord's Map & Print Folders and viewing folders. They come in a whole range of sizes, even for really large prints and the quality is top notch.

Here are the various map and print folders Gaylord offers:

Gaylord® 10 pt. Buffered Map & Print Folders (10-Pack)

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Gaylord® 20 pt. Map & Print Folders (5-Pack)

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Gaylord® 10 pt. Unbuffered Map & Print Folders (10-Pack)

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Gaylord® Map & Print Viewing Folders with Cover Sheets (5-Pack)

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20 pt. Viewing Folders with 3 mil Archival Polyester L-Sleeves (5-Pack)

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Now these are more expensive that using basic poly bags with a backing board, but they are vasty superior in regards to protecting your prints. One of the biggest issues with storing large prints in flat file cabinets is being able to pull the prints back out and view the prints safely. Handling smaller prints isn't really an issue because thier easy to handle and don't bend or buckle under thier own weight. Of course, the vast majority of collectors don't buy flat file cabinets for small prints. They usually store smaller prints in boxes or portfolios. Most people store larger prints in flat file cabinets and anytime you pull out and handle a large print on its own from a print file cabinet....well, you risk damaging the print. In particular, its very easy to get small creases or dents in larger prints simply by handling them. Basically, anything larger than 18x24 and you risk creases and dents anytime you pull out and handle the print on its own. One of the best aspects to Gaylord's map and print folders is the extra support they give the print. They are very easy to pull out and handle, with a print inside, without having to worry about damaging the print.

A lot of higher end art prints will actually come with thier own print folder. Robert Bateman is a perfect example as his prints always come with a protective folder for the print. Thats always a bonus as you can just store those folders (with the print inside) right in the flat file and you don't have to worry about buying extra protection. Those folders are very easy to pull out and view without damaging the print. Its for prints that don't come packaged in an archival folder that you have to worry about.

Before I switched over to using Gaylords map and print folders, I used to simply use acid free paper in-between each print and would then put a couple pieces of archival matt board on the top of the stack to keep a slight amount of weight on them. It worked great as a storage method, but actually pulling out and viewing the prints was always an issue. You can of course matt each print and store the prints matted, but that will eat up your flat file space very quickly and matting larger prints is expensive on its own. Your better off using the portfolio boxes I talked about previously for matted artwork. Thats what I do. I only use my flat file cabinets for larger prints that I have no intent on ever matting or framing and the map and print folders are a perfect solution for those prints as not only does it protect them, it also makes it very easy to pull prints out and view them without having to worry about damaging the print.

Gaylord also carries a lot of other storage options including 2 mil Polyethylene Poster Envelopes, 3 mil Archival Polyester Envelopes, 4 mil Archival Polyester Envelopes, 4 mil Archival Polyester Map & Poster Envelopes etc. Basically they have quite a few options you could use. I have no experience with any of these products as I am not a fan of poly bags and I found exactly what I was looking for with thier map and print folders and thier viewing folders.

Here is the link for thier complete listings for Archival Envelopes, Sleeves & Protectors:

http://www.gaylord.com/c/Archival-Envelopes-Sleeves-and-Protectors?viewMode=List&sort=newest&pageSize=80&q=%3Anewest#

Of course, Gaylord isnt the only company that produces archival print folders. There are other companies out there that basically produce the same exact style holders. University Products is one of them. Here are a couple versions that they make:

Perma/Dur Map & Print Folders - Heavy Duty

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Storage/Display Folders

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And if you search around, you will find even more companies that have similar offerings. Basically, each collector has to ultimately decide for themselves how they want to store thier prints including how much they are willing to spend on those kinds of materials and what company they want to buy them from. So your best bet is to just do some ample research on the various products that companies like Gaylord carry and see which one best fits with what your looking for and the amount your willing to spend.

Also, make sure you buy some Pelican 1500D desiccant canisters and keep one in each drawer of your flat file cabinet. That will help control the environment inside the drawers. In all honesty, I use those Pelican 1500D desiccant canisters pretty much everywhere regarding my artwork storage and camera and electronic equipment. Those things are one of the smartest things you can invest in.

Here is a picture and link for the desiccant canisters:

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Again, these are one of the best things you can buy as a print collector, especially if you live in a more humid environment. A high humidity environment will severely damage prints in very short order. You can get mold, mildew, etc. If you have ever seen prints with small dark spots on it, that is mold growth and is called foxing. Paper is like a sponge for moisture. So trust me when I tell you that humidity control, which is extremely easy and inexpensive, is one of the smartest things you can do as a print collector. The Pelican 1500D desiccant canisters are ridiculously cheap, last forever, and are the perfect size for print drawers in flat file cabinets. It has a small indicator on the top that tells you when its reached full saturation. All you do at that point is pop it in the over at 300 for a couple hours and its ready to be used again. There is no limit to the number of times you can do this. They literally last forever. I have some that are now 15 years old and they work just as well now as they did when I first purchased them. Without question one of the smartest investments a print collector can make, especially given how cheap they are and how easy they are to maintain.