Frazetta's Virgin of Mahar

[Valkyrie]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11845145_920967834609391_1860943814408797079_o.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fvSSLy0eIhA/S9TK4Te6AzI/AAAAAAAAAZw/UJe1T-zDJM0/s1600/Frazetta+Mahar+Virgin+ink.jpg

[Gyro Zeppeli]

I'm really interested in seeing the base for this one. If it has that cool murky water look to it then this piece can be really awesome.

How are you guys going about deciding on the front of the monster? Just going to improvise, or maybe use the design of one of his other monsters?

[Finisher]

Sad im no fan of this kind of face.
But the body is awesome !!!

[grphyx1]

What do you mean? do you think the face is unattractive?

[Valkyrie]

What do you mean? do you think the face is unattractive?

Judging from his comments in the Arhian thread, she probably looks too much like Kirsten Dunst. :laugh:

[Marcel54]

:goodpost:

If the monster only looks half as good as the virgin does, this still will be a must buy for all Frazetta fans...like me :thumbs2:

[dao2]

Awesome sculpt there, not too interested in it though atm. Don't think it'll make a great statue but maybe I'm horribly wrong ;p Also I feel like she should be more concerned or something in the artwork :P

[Finisher]

Judging from his comments in the Arhian thread, she probably looks too much like Kirsten Dunst. :laugh:

Haha you got it ;)

[Valkyrie]

:goodpost:

If the monster only looks half as good as the virgin does, this still will be a must buy for all Frazetta fans...like me :thumbs2:

I agree. Another nice sculpt by Ehren. He's definitely got those trademark Frazetta curves down. Should be fun to see how he tackles the creature.

[Valkyrie]

Stumbled onto these in another forum. Hope Ehren doesn't mind.

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462519

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462520

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462521

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http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462523

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462524

[Wombat]

:goodpost:

If the monster only looks half as good as the virgin does, this still will be a must buy for all Frazetta fans...like me :thumbs2:

Not sure about that. Even for Frazetta fans this isn't exactly one of his more popular pictures.

[qz33]

This is awesome!

The printout looks like Ehren nailed it.

[grphyx1]

I think Ehren is a woman. as in Erin. otherwise known on here as Retardist

I agree. Another nice sculpt by Ehren. He's definitely got those trademark Frazetta curves down. Should be fun to see how he tackles the creature.

[Valkyrie]

I think Ehren is a woman. as in Erin. otherwise known on here as Retardist

That's Ehren Bienert (Retardist) holding the sculpt on the first page.

[grphyx1]

I thought that was tony cipriano?:thinking:

That's Ehren Bienert (Retardist) holding the sculpt on the first page.

[akitadad]

Really don't mean to hijack the conversation but I was wondering if anyone knows which Frazetta has the license rights to 'THE DESTROYER' ?

[Valkyrie]

Really don't mean to hijack the conversation but I was wondering if anyone knows which Frazetta has the license rights to 'THE DESTROYER' ?

Sorry, I don't. Though, I'd certainly love to see that get made into a statue. Maybe if Ehren reads this, he can answer that.

[Wombat]

Really don't mean to hijack the conversation but I was wondering if anyone knows which Frazetta has the license rights to 'THE DESTROYER' ?

Call the Frazetta museum. I'm sure they can tell you. I believe Frank Jr. and his wife are running it.

[ReTardist]

haha ya I'm a dude. yeah that's me with the sculpt of the chick. Cipriano sculpted the monster..

[Valkyrie]

haha ya I'm a dude. yeah that's me with the sculpt of the chick. Cipriano sculpted the monster..

Interesting. Any pics to share yet? :p

[grphyx1]

HA! I stand corrected. Here I was thinking this woman sculpts some mean female anatomy.

haha ya I'm a dude. yeah that's me with the sculpt of the chick. Cipriano sculpted the monster..

[TNovak]

Really don't mean to hijack the conversation but I was wondering if anyone knows which Frazetta has the license rights to 'THE DESTROYER' ?

Ok here is my understanding of that kind of thing. When an agreement was finally reached among the Frazetta children they set aside rights to what they called the "masters collection" of about 12 well known paintings that I know includes DD on a horse, Barbarian, Dark Kingdom, Silver Warrior, Cat Woman, Snow Giants,and some others. I think Destroyer was in that group. The originals were divided among the kids just like the non-masters series but that even the kids that don't own a particular master painting could still produce things associated with it. I know that the original Destroyer was sold to Hemmitt but I think it is still in the domain that any of the kids can produce it.

For those paintings not included in this group of I think 12 or so, each kid that has that painting has the rights to it. For example I know Heidi has Swamp Demon, 7 Romans and some others. Holly has Dark Kingdom for sure and some others and may open a museum with Robert Rodriguez in Austin Tx at some point. Frank Jr has the ones at the old museum in East Strousberg including Silver Warrior and Cat Woman.

I think the biggest problem with producing Destroyer would be size (even at 1/6) and cost of Conan and as many as 10 other figures, even if you cut it to 6 which would be as far as I think you would want to go you would be looking at a huge and expensive piece. Personally I think both this and Silver Warrior should be produced in the ReelArt scale. We already have some greats in that scale and it would make these realistically affordable and displayable while also allowing the producer to sell enough to make a profit.

[TNovak]

I think Ehren is a woman. as in Erin. otherwise known on here as Retardist

That's Ehren Bienert (Retardist) holding the sculpt on the first page.

I thought that was tony cipriano?:thinking:

No it is Tony cipriano that is a woman, from his FB page

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/Tony%20C%20lady.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/Tony%20C%20lady.jpg.html) :confused2

[TNovak]

I kid of course. This is Tony C from an old photo

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/Tony%20C.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/Tony%20C.jpg.html)

[Valkyrie]

No it is Tony cipriano that is a woman, from his FB page

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/Tony%20C%20lady.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/Tony%20C%20lady.jpg.html) :confused2


My eyes! :itsb:

[Valkyrie]

I think the biggest problem with producing Destroyer would be size (even at 1/6) and cost of Conan and as many as 10 other figures, even if you cut it to 6 which would be as far as I think you would want to go you would be looking at a huge and expensive piece. Personally I think both this and Silver Warrior should be produced in the ReelArt scale. We already have some greats in that scale and it would make these realistically affordable and displayable while also allowing the producer to sell enough to make a profit.

Good points about the inherent cost and space requirements to produce such a piece. As much as I'd like to see it happen, there would have to be too many compromises made to keep it affordable and "display friendly" at ARH's preferred scales.

[TNovak]

Good points about the inherent cost and space requirements to produce such a piece. As much as I'd like to see it happen, there would have to be too many compromises made to keep it affordable and "display friendly" at ARH's preferred scales.

I would hate to see "just" the Conan from Destoryer done just so it could be 1/4 scale. I absolutely loved CS Moore's Frazetta work but I think he should have gone all out and put a few guys around the Conqueror statue. Just suspended in "smoke" with that expression and contorted horse with no warriors around to give it context looks odd unless displayed right in front of the painting.

Tony Cipriano has a Silver Warrior already done in ReelArt scale that he said he would sell to me. I might still buy it but original art is an expensive thing. Even at 1/8-1/9 it is over 2' long.

[Valkyrie]

I would hate to see "just" the Conan from Destoryer done just so it could be 1/4 scale. I absolutely loved CS Moore's Frazetta work but I think he should have gone all out and put a few guys around the Conqueror statue. Just suspended in "smoke" with that expression and contorted horse with no warriors around to give it context looks odd unless displayed right in front of the painting.

Tony Cipriano has a Silver Warrior already done in ReelArt scale that he said he would sell to me. I might still buy it but original art is an expensive thing. Even at 1/8-1/9 it is over 2' long.

That's pretty cool. I haven't looked into ReelArt before but I'll check them out.

[Barbarian]

I'm feelin' the Frazetta in the bod, but not really much in the face. Looks damn good so far tho.

[cstojano]

I'm feelin' the Frazetta in the bod, but not really much in the face. Looks damn good so far tho.

I think the 3D piece Ehren is holding looks perfect all around but the digital pics, yeah the face seems off. I am in for this and other Frazetta stand alone women. As I posted on the other forum I think a line within a line stands on its own and its not likee the Frazetta female look isn't a recognized thing. All of the extra environment, monsters, animals, etc. never did much for me but this sculpt is amazing.

[ReTardist]

Funny I think this head looks more "frazetta" than the one I did on the Barbarian chick. But I've seen so many differing opinions on all these sculpts. Everyone has an idea about the way things look or should look. But then I see a comment about the Arhian II heads. Like one head looks wider than the other... they are the SAME exact head. Printed from the same exact file. A lot of times I think photos are extremely misleading. Of course everyone has opinions but these pieces need to be seen in person to get the true effect. Good or bad.

[cstojano]

Funny I think this head looks more "frazetta" than the one I did on the Barbarian chick. But I've seen so many differing opinions on all these sculpts. Everyone has an idea about the way things look or should look. But then I see a comment about the Arhian II heads. Like one head looks wider than the other... they are the SAME exact head. Printed from the same exact file. A lot of times I think photos are extremely misleading. Of course everyone has opinions but these pieces need to be seen in person to get the true effect. Good or bad.

I agree with you, I see more Frazetta here as well.

[Valkyrie]

Funny I think this head looks more "frazetta" than the one I did on the Barbarian chick. But I've seen so many differing opinions on all these sculpts. Everyone has an idea about the way things look or should look. But then I see a comment about the Arhian II heads. Like one head looks wider than the other... they are the SAME exact head. Printed from the same exact file. A lot of times I think photos are extremely misleading. Of course everyone has opinions but these pieces need to be seen in person to get the true effect. Good or bad.

:goodpost:

[TNovak]

That's pretty cool. I haven't looked into ReelArt before but I'll check them out.

You've never heard of Reelart Studios? I don't think they sell anymore but they did a bunch of Frazetta in slightly different scales, 1/9 to 1/7 I would say. they did

Egyptian Queen, Dracula meets Wolfman, Snow Giants, Moonmaid, and Sungoddess,

I have them all, you can see them in my collection thread but it starts several years ago so all of them aren't at the beginning. Here is my thread.

http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=94709

[wolf-brother]

Good points about the inherent cost and space requirements to produce such a piece. As much as I'd like to see it happen, there would have to be too many compromises made to keep it affordable and "display friendly" at ARH's preferred scales.

Last I heard from ARH the plan to do Destroyer was changed from 1:4 to 1:6 scale.
It's the one I really want produced. It would definitely be more "display friendly" in the ReelArts scale as TNovaK suggest but I'll take it as the ultimate centerpiece at 1:6. :D

[wolf-brother]

I think Ehren is a woman. as in Erin. otherwise known on here as Retardist

Too funny. :laugh:

[cstojano]

You've never heard of Reelart Studios? I don't think they sell anymore but they did a bunch of Frazetta in slightly different scales, 1/9 to 1/7 I would say. they did

Egyptian Queen, Dracula meets Wolfman, Snow Giants, Moonmaid, and Sungoddess,

I have them all, you can see them in my collection thread but it starts several years ago so all of them aren't at the beginning. Here is my thread.

http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=94709

Really wish they released the DD2 piece.

[Valkyrie]

You've never heard of Reelart Studios? I don't think they sell anymore but they did a bunch of Frazetta in slightly different scales, 1/9 to 1/7 I would say. they did

Egyptian Queen, Dracula meets Wolfman, Snow Giants, Moonmaid, and Sungoddess,

I have them all, you can see them in my collection thread but it starts several years ago so all of them aren't at the beginning. Here is my thread.

http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=94709


Nice collection, TNovak! Thanks for sharing that. :thumbs2:

No, I'm still relatively new to collecting so many of those ReelArt pieces were likely before my time. However, I've been a longtime fan of fantasy art which made me take notice of what ARH is doing, especially with the Frazetta line.

[Wombat]

You've never heard of Reelart Studios? I don't think they sell anymore but they did a bunch of Frazetta in slightly different scales, 1/9 to 1/7 I would say. they did

Egyptian Queen, Dracula meets Wolfman, Snow Giants, Moonmaid, and Sungoddess,

I have them all, you can see them in my collection thread but it starts several years ago so all of them aren't at the beginning. Here is my thread.

http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=94709

I have your collection bookmarked. I look every once in a while and try and see how my own collection compares. It never ends well for me.

[qz33]

1:6 is reduction enough.
Some of us are using these awesome pieces to build a first time collection.

[akitadad]

Last I heard from ARH the plan to do Destroyer was changed from 1:4 to 1:6 scale.
It's the one I really want produced. It would definitely be more "display friendly" in the ReelArts scale as TNovaK suggest but I'll take it as the ultimate centerpiece at 1:6. :D

Yeah, I feel exactly the same. Anything less than 1/6 scale doesn't work for me. This piece is so powerful, it has to have the larger scale, and at least three targets up front. Definitely one of the top five Frazetta masters for me

[wolf-brother]

Yeah, I feel exactly the same. Anything less than 1/6 scale doesn't work for me. This piece is so powerful, it has to have the larger scale, and at least three targets up front. Definitely one of the top five Frazetta masters for me

It's my number 1. ;)

[TNovak]

Really wish they released the DD2 piece.

Hope springs eternal

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/deathdlrFR.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/deathdlrFR.jpg.html)http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/deathdlrFR.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/deathdlrFR.jpg.html)

[TNovak]

I have your collection bookmarked. I look every once in a while and try and see how my own collection compares. It never ends well for me.

Thanks Man! Do you have a collection thread? I'd love to see it. I've been thinking about starting a new one because mine is so drawn out, it starts back in 2010 and it is cumbersome to go through to the present to see what it's like now.

[TNovak]

Nice collection, TNovak! Thanks for sharing that. :thumbs2:

No, I'm still relatively new to collecting so many of those ReelArt pieces were likely before my time. However, I've been a longtime fan of fantasy art which made me take notice of what ARH is doing, especially with the Frazetta line.

Thanks and I hope you get all the Frazettas you want, we need to support as much as we can so we get more of it.

1:6 is reduction enough.
Some of us are using these awesome pieces to build a first time collection.

Yeah, I feel exactly the same. Anything less than 1/6 scale doesn't work for me. This piece is so powerful, it has to have the larger scale, and at least three targets up front. Definitely one of the top five Frazetta masters for me

It's always tough, especially for the producer. In the end they have to sell enough to make a profit. A piece like Destroyer I would pay what it took and find room for it even if it was 1/4 scale, in which case it would be bigger than a washing machine. But there aren't that many people who can or will pay $2500 for something like this (just guessing). For me my preferred scale is 1/6. You can get incredible detail at that scale and yet costs and space are more reasonable.

But even at 1/5 to 1/7 if you reduce some things out of the painting it really hurts the piece IMO. The Frazettas put out a 1/5 DD in the swamp but without the tree and croc for context it really didn't work and I don't think they sold many. I already talked about CS Moore Conqueror. It is great work but without the other warriors it seems odd. I would place including all elements of the painting as a higher priority than scale, but I know that will also cost some sales as some people won't buy any scale smaller than a certain size.

[Wombat]

Thanks Man! Do you have a collection thread? I'd love to see it. I've been thinking about starting a new one because mine is so drawn out, it starts back in 2010 and it is cumbersome to go through to the present to see what it's like now.

I don't have a thread. My office is in mid renovation. Maybe when I'm done that would be a good idea. It will be great to get everything out of boxes and displayed.

[qz33]

Thanks and I hope you get all the Frazettas you want, we need to support as much as we can so we get more of it.





It's always tough, especially for the producer. In the end they have to sell enough to make a profit. A piece like Destroyer I would pay what it took and find room for it even if it was 1/4 scale, in which case it would be bigger than a washing machine. But there aren't that many people who can or will pay $2500 for something like this (just guessing). For me my preferred scale is 1/6. You can get incredible detail at that scale and yet costs and space are more reasonable.

But even at 1/5 to 1/7 if you reduce some things out of the painting it really hurts the piece IMO. The Frazettas put out a 1/5 DD in the swamp but without the tree and croc for context it really didn't work and I don't think they sold many. I already talked about CS Moore Conqueror. It is great work but without the other warriors it seems odd. I would place including all elements of the painting as a higher priority than scale, but I know that will also cost some sales as some people won't buy any scale smaller than a certain size.

I totally agree about not cutting out elements of the paintings. Even the scenery needs to be included to work right. This won't look right even if they ditch the swamp elements other than the 2 main figures.

Never knew you were the person to get that Alex Castro paint job on Moore's Barbarian. That is a super masterpiece.

Would love to have such a paintjob on the upcoming Barbarian.

[TNovak]

Never knew you were the person to get that Alex Castro paint job on Moore's Barbarian. That is a super masterpiece.

Would love to have such a paintjob on the upcoming Barbarian.

Thanks, interesting (maybe?) story about that. Alex actually painted two Barbarians, mine and one other. The other is the one he shows on his website. I had originally asked him to paint my "Dark Kingdom" after I had seen his. He told me then that he never paints the same piece twice so he wouldn't do it. He said he would paint something else for me so we agreed on the Barbarian. He said the fact that he only paints one of any piece would make it even rarer. I had both versions of the Moore Barbarian so I sent him the bikini one. Reason being it was one of only 6 "counter samples" in the world and therefore I thought rarer and I wanted him to paint it, which he did. Then another collector approached him about painting a nude version and he did that too, I guess thinking a nude version isn't the same piece. I didn't care anyway, painting only one of any piece was his thing, it didn't matter to me. Anyway, the nude version he did was a little lighter, and of course I'm predjudiced but I like mine better. Here is his Dark Kingdom if you haven't seen it. I ended up having my Dark Kingdom painted by Saul Alvarez

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/Castro%20DK.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/Castro%20DK.jpg.html)

[Wombat]

Who produced the Dark Kingdom?

[TNovak]

Who produced the Dark Kingdom?

That one was from the Frazettas themselves, sculpted by Steve Lord. The original paint job was absmal, and I mean awful, which is why they didn't sell many. The big draw on it though was that it came with a signature by Frank Frazetta himself. But there were delays in production so those of us that preordered got a print of a Frazetta sketch signed by Frank and then a "plate" that mounts on the front (see my collection thread) that we got before the statue also signed by Frank Sr. Some guys (not me) complained because when ordering this we were supposed to get a signed statue not a plate, so the statue is also signed on the bottom. So really we got 3 Frank Frazetta Sr signatures. The run was supposed to be 250 but they didn't sell near that many due to the price at the time ($479) when 1/6 statues were generally going for about $300 and the awful paint job. Anyway, since then they have repainted them over the awful paintjob with a layer of white primer and you can still get them (without any Frank Sr signature) at the website.

[Wombat]

That one was from the Frazettas themselves, sculpted by Steve Lord. The original paint job was absmal, and I mean awful, which is why they didn't sell many. The big draw on it though was that it came with a signature by Frank Frazetta himself. But there were delays in production so those of us that preordered got a print of a Frazetta sketch signed by Frank and then a "plate" that mounts on the front (see my collection thread) that we got before the statue also signed by Frank Sr. Some guys (not me) complained because when ordering this we were supposed to get a signed statue not a plate, so the statue is also signed on the bottom. So really we got 3 Frank Frazetta Sr signatures. The run was supposed to be 250 but they didn't sell near that many due to the price at the time ($479) when 1/6 statues were generally going for about $300 and the awful paint job. Anyway, since then they have repainted them over the awful paintjob with a layer of white primer and you can still get them (without any Frank Sr signature) at the website.

Thanks for the information. I saw one recently for sale and I assumed someone just made it themselves with how bad the paint job was.

[cstojano]

Whatever happened to Alex Castro? His work and Paul Moore's basically got me into collecting statues again.
Thanks for the heads up on the Dark Kingdom at the museum. Honestly I didn't know if the museum was still selling stuff. For example, they have LOTR portfolios for 80 dollars but I can't get a response on how they differ (if at all) from those on eBay that sell for more than this?

[cstojano]

Hope springs eternal

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/deathdlrFR.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/deathdlrFR.jpg.html)http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/deathdlrFR.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/deathdlrFR.jpg.html)

Its really crazy that in all the years no one has made this piece. I get the raw stoic power of DD1 but DD2 owns DD3 IMO, yet we have at least two versions of DD3 to choose from now (and more if you count that one guy on eBay selling silver painted, rust painted, etc. versions of that piece).

[qz33]

Thanks, interesting (maybe?) story about that. Alex actually painted two Barbarians, mine and one other. The other is the one he shows on his website. I had originally asked him to paint my "Dark Kingdom" after I had seen his. He told me then that he never paints the same piece twice so he wouldn't do it. He said he would paint something else for me so we agreed on the Barbarian. He said the fact that he only paints one of any piece would make it even rarer. I had both versions of the Moore Barbarian so I sent him the bikini one. Reason being it was one of only 6 "counter samples" in the world and therefore I thought rarer and I wanted him to paint it, which he did. Then another collector approached him about painting a nude version and he did that too, I guess thinking a nude version isn't the same piece. I didn't care anyway, painting only one of any piece was his thing, it didn't matter to me. Anyway, the nude version he did was a little lighter, and of course I'm predjudiced but I like mine better. Here is his Dark Kingdom if you haven't seen it. I ended up having my Dark Kingdom painted by Saul Alvarez

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/Castro%20DK.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/Castro%20DK.jpg.html)

Thanks, love how Castro does shading.

Is Alex Castro even on statueforum anymore? I couldn't find the user name.

[Wombat]

Just for reference to how horrible that original paint job was.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzIyWDQ4MA==/z/fNEAAOSwHnFVyhg5/$_1.JPG

[cstojano]

Thanks, love how Castro does shading.

Is Alex Castro even on statueforum anymore? I couldn't find the user name.

I seem to recall an official retirement sort of post but can't remember exactly. He was quite active around the time I joined.

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Can you guys take this somewhere else? This has nothing to do with the topic.

[TNovak]

Whatever happened to Alex Castro? His work and Paul Moore's basically got me into collecting statues again.
Thanks for the heads up on the Dark Kingdom at the museum. Honestly I didn't know if the museum was still selling stuff. For example, they have LOTR portfolios for 80 dollars but I can't get a response on how they differ (if at all) from those on eBay that sell for more than this?

Thanks, love how Castro does shading.

Is Alex Castro even on statueforum anymore? I couldn't find the user name.

I seem to recall an official retirement sort of post but can't remember exactly. He was quite active around the time I joined.

Alex moved to Georgia and now does mainly canvas painting art, he still posts that on FB. I think he also has an art school

Can you guys take this somewhere else? This has nothing to do with the topic.

Sorry man, I'm sure things will go back on topic when any updates occur. As it is we just got off on Frazetta discussion.

[cstojano]

never mind...

[TNovak]

[QUOTE=Wombat;5109707]Just for reference to how horrible that original paint job was.

QUOTE]

That is mine repainted by Saul. If you saw that on an ebay auction someone stole the pic and was really trying to shaft someone. ] I Pmed you pics of the original paints as not to clog this thread further

[A Cimmerian]

Sorry man, I'm sure things will go back on topic when any updates occur. As it is we just got off on Frazetta discussion.[/QUOTE]

:thumbs2: Feel free to continue the discussion. it is very interesting.

[TNovak]

:thumbs2: Feel free to continue the discussion. it is very interesting.

Well then I will add in fairness to Saul (who is one of the best painters I know) the pics that I have posted of mine and that Wombat shared don't do it justice. I don't know if it was the flash or what but his beard isn't fire engine red like that in person and just about everything looks way better when you see it on my shelf. I should have someone who is a decent photographer take better photos.

Wombat said there is a guy using my pics on ebay and trying to sell one so I checked it out. Not only is it not this paint up (obviously) it isn't even the 1/6 Frazetta statue, it is a "masters series" PVC Dark Kingdom, which I have too, and cost about $14.99 new and are very cheap. It is like 5" tall. You can see one on ebay here

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Master-Artists-Series-Dark-Kingdom-Figure-By-Frank-Frazetta-/281609463820

They did 9 of them. The one Snow Giant, Destroyer without any enemies, Dark Kingdom, Sea Witch, one of the Huns sans a horse, Conqueror standing and looking ridiculous, Barbarian, and Princess of mars standing.

[Barbarian]

Check this...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dark-Kingdom-Figure-By-Frank-Frazetta/121728307269?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29979%26meid%3Dafde5e0032b04181a7800f63aba8990e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D281609463820

[TNovak]

Check this...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dark-Kingdom-Figure-By-Frank-Frazetta/121728307269?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29979%26meid%3Dafde5e0032b04181a7800f63aba8990e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D281609463820

That's the one. He is using my poor photography of my statue to try to sell one of those masters series PVC 5" things and he is asking $80. He is in for a negative rating I think if he sells it. I sent him a question about it but he didn't respond.

[Barbarian]

That's the one. He is using my poor photography of my statue to try to sell one of those masters series PVC 5" things and he is asking $80. He is in for a negative rating I think if he sells it. I sent him a question about it but he didn't respond.
What an A-Hole. This guy needs to be reported.

[Wombat]

I sent the guy a message. He changed the pictures. And good luck getting $80.

[ReTardist]

I think Steve Lord sculpted that. I worked with him at McFarlane for years. He's so freaking good. look at me getting in on the O/T action lol

[TNovak]

I think Steve Lord sculpted that. I worked with him at McFarlane for years. He's so freaking good. look at me getting in on the O/T action lol

That is correct. He also sculpted the 1/5 scale DD in the swamp. I do know that Frank Sr absolutely loved Steve's work and I am very happy with the sculpt of my Dark Kingdom and with the repaint I love it. When it came to "style" Frank Sr really wanted the "loose" sculpt look for his work and Steve did what he asked. My only gripe with DD in the swamp was that without the tree and croc for context the gritted teeth and pose look kind of weird to me.

[risingstar]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11845145_920967834609391_1860943814408797079_o.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fvSSLy0eIhA/S9TK4Te6AzI/AAAAAAAAAZw/UJe1T-zDJM0/s1600/Frazetta+Mahar+Virgin+ink.jpg



This is looking very promising.

[TNovak]

Yes back on topic, I'll admit when I saw the creature sculpt in the background in one of the "slaying the beast" videos I thought it was going to be "At Earth's Core"

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u332/vh602/Frazetta/bb32re2.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/vh602/media/Frazetta/bb32re2.jpg.html)

But this one is awesome too.

[qz33]

That one would be so dependent on the surrounding details that without them I do not feel it would look good at all.

Yes back on topic, I'll admit when I saw the creature sculpt in the background in one of the "slaying the beast" videos I thought it was going to be "At Earth's Core"

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u332/vh602/Frazetta/bb32re2.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/vh602/media/Frazetta/bb32re2.jpg.html)

But this one is awesome too.

[MKS]

This looks great!

[cstojano]

I think Steve Lord sculpted that. I worked with him at McFarlane for years. He's so freaking good. look at me getting in on the O/T action lol

Honestly there is so little Frazetta discussion anywhere I relish the few threads like this that pop up, OT or not. But I'll just reiterate, do a Frazetta Girls Solo series, starting with The Huntress. I love the sculpt you have done for this piece.

[Valkyrie]

Honestly there is so little Frazetta discussion anywhere I relish the few threads like this that pop up, OT or not. But I'll just reiterate, do a Frazetta Girls Solo series, starting with The Huntress. I love the sculpt you have done for this piece.

You mean like this? :)

https://arhstudioscollectibles.com/shop/frazetta-huntress-solo/

[cstojano]

Yeah I know about that, my plea is for them to do other females like this as well, including the piece discussed in this thread. I think a trio of Frazetta women as standalones would be great. As other said above I don't think the beast adds much here, plus they would have to completely fabricate what it actually looks like from the front. Man I would NOT like that job.

[Valkyrie]

Ah, I follow you now. Well if solo Huntress sells out, maybe ARH will see there's a demand for a line like that. Of course, it comes down to what the Frazetta family approves as well.

I agree about the challenge of sculpting the beast in this "Virgin" piece. Supposedly, Tony Cipriano will have that unenviable task according to Ehren. I imagine whatever he comes up with will look good, but everyone will have their own idea of how it should look. A no win situation. :(

[TNovak]

That one would be so dependent on the surrounding details that without them I do not feel it would look good at all.

I think the main difficulty would be the perspective. The girl is obviously far away in the painting which doesn't translate well to 3-D and in general terms I agree that the drawing they chose is much better. I was just saying that when I saw the sculpted creature in the back ground in one of the videos I thought it was based on the painting.

Honestly there is so little Frazetta discussion anywhere I relish the few threads like this that pop up, OT or not.

I agree! You or someone should start a "Frazetta Talk" thread. I bet it would be really busy.

[TNovak]

Sad im no fan of this kind of face.
But the body is awesome !!!

I like the faces they have been doing on the chicks. This is one where the face is pretty clear so I think they can match it pretty well. The Barbarian chick face is more open to interpretation but I really like what they did with that one too.

[cstojano]

The real question is cat woman 1 or 2, or is that original and modified?

[TNovak]

Ok fellas so as not to clog this statue thread any further I started a general Frazetta discussion here

http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?p=5110920#post5110920

including additional pics of my Dark Kingdom previously mentioned.

[Valkyrie]

1/5 Scale. NYCC Edition.

https://arhstudioscollectibles.com/shop/frazetta-virgin-of-mahars-nycc-edition/

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Disappointed that she doesn't come with the monster.

[Valkyrie]

Yep. I thought that was the plan but maybe they scrapped it.

Might have been a lot of backlash from fans on how the creature should look from the front. Not worth the headache. Either that or the Frazetta family didn't approve. No idea.

[TNovak]

Perspective may have also been an issue. To make it like the sketch the monster would have had to be a ways away and a really big base, or in the alternative move it way closer and lose its original design.

I think as a non-major well known Frazetta piece the cost would have been very high and they would have had a tough time selling many as well.

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Perspective may have also been an issue. To make it like the sketch the monster would have had to be a ways away and a really big base, or in the alternative move it way closer and lose its original design.

I think as a non-major well known Frazetta piece the cost would have been very high and they would have had a tough time selling many as well.

I guess I could see that being a problem. The only way one could have displayed it would have been horizontally or else the monster would block the girl or the girl the monster.

[Valkyrie]

Yeah, I agree with TNovak's reasoning too.

[Finisher]

I'm not really into indian woman , so nothing for me.
And "short leg" is due to setting.
But overal it looks good.

And: Pricing seems ok here ! (did I really say this ? 2015? Yeah!)

[Versuscinema]

what is "NYCC Edition" ?
it's limited to 100, but why?

[Finisher]

what is "NYCC Edition" ?
it's limited to 100, but why?

Good question..
Cant find anything, too.

[qz33]

And this is so well done! Man it needs the monster. Could look cool with Sideshow's Man-Thing I guess.

[ReTardist]

With the monster even at 1/5 scale this would have been a 600-700$ piece. It was enormous. I doubt many people would have pulled the trigger. I know some like the monster, but for most, the girl is the selling point. We took a gamble that the buyers would simply appreciate her as a frazetta chick...

[Valkyrie]

That's too bad, Ehren. I can see how that price range might have scared some customers off for a 1/5 scale. Still, we'd be getting two statues so it doesn't sound too bad to me.

Have you guys considered doing something in the 1/6 scale like Perseus? Not sure how much that would cut costs but just a thought.

[qz33]

With the monster even at 1/5 scale this would have been a 600-700$ piece. It was enormous. I doubt many people would have pulled the trigger. I know some like the monster, but for most, the girl is the selling point. We took a gamble that the buyers would simply appreciate her as a frazetta chick...

Oh it's a definite get.

[Valkyrie]

Video from NYCC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgcdzDiHVTw

[ReplicantSavior]

With the monster even at 1/5 scale this would have been a 600-700$ piece. It was enormous. I doubt many people would have pulled the trigger. I know some like the monster, but for most, the girl is the selling point. We took a gamble that the buyers would simply appreciate her as a frazetta chick...

I wanted to see the monster, but I'll still pick her up. Love the sculpt and the water base. I think this is the best Frazetta female statue I've seen to date.

What's the deal on the normal edition? Any information?

[Valkyrie]

Went ahead and ordered her. I was a bit bummed about the creature being scrapped, but I can't deny I still want her in my collection. She's a beautiful representation of Frazetta's artwork.

[gagaliya]

what is "NYCC Edition" ?
it's limited to 100, but why?

Yeah I really wish arh will explain what nycc or exclusive editions are. So many pieces just say exclusive without ever explaining what makes it an exclusive, also what other editions are planned, or the es.

Are you guys purposely trying to be vague? It will only hurt you in the long run. There are so many pieces i would gotten if I just knew what are all the editions and what edition comes with what additional switchouts or what have you.

Definitely a horrible way to introduce products by creating so much confusion among your customers. How hard is it just to write a sentence explaining what the editions are on the website.

[dao2]

seperate es (essentially pointless)

signed coa

[Versuscinema]

I noticed she's no longer for sell on their web site or anywhere.

is she OOP or was she cancelled ?

[qz33]

Oh please not cancelled.

[Valkyrie]

I bought her last month and ARH just reconfirmed my order this past week. There was no mention of her being canceled.

If the website is to be believed, both the NYCC and Regular editions are sold out.

https://arhstudioscollectibles.com/shop/frazetta-virgin-of-mahars-nycc-edition/

https://arhstudioscollectibles.com/shop/frazetta-virgin-of-mahars/

[ReplicantSavior]

Hmm. I wish they put out more information about this statue. I didn't see any news about the regular going up. I assume ARH is back after the convention unless they got into a road trip horror show or something.

[qz33]

Did any retailers have this statue?

[Rokdweller]

From the information I heard, I believe this statue only had two versions, the NYCC and regular. Both sold exclusively on the ARH site. This statue was a bit of a surprise when released and not much information provided.

[Dark Shadow]

Did any retailers have this statue?

That would be great but very unlickely with 100 pieces wordlwide.

It's the first time I see this statue and I really like it but to bad I didn't know.

Maybe on the aftermarket for twice the price.:slapf:

[The13thWarlock]

I wish it was a 1/4 scale piece. I guess the plan was to make it a little smaller because of the monster but now the monsters gone... Oh well...

[ReplicantSavior]

From the information I heard, I believe this statue only had two versions, the NYCC and regular. Both sold exclusively on the ARH site. This statue was a bit of a surprise when released and not much information provided.

Yeah I don't know why ARH wasn't talking about this statue more. But with the delays and problems in China these days, perhaps it's best to wait and see for the majority of companies at this point.

[Rokdweller]

So, shipping notices are going out now on the Virgin. Likely shipping her first as they will be easier to completed due to their smaller size and quantities.

[Valkyrie]

Yup. Got this one on the way too.

[Valkyrie]

Took a few crappy pics with my phone before I find a permanent spot for her. Daylight's fading fast over here so I did the best I can.

[The13thWarlock]

Took a few crappy pics with my phone before I find a permanent spot for her. Daylight's fading fast over here so I did the best I can.

Did you ever post a picture of your collection Val? I'd love to see it.

[Valkyrie]

No, I rarely post pics. There's a lot better photographers on this forum than me. So I figure I'll leave it to them. ;)

[The13thWarlock]

No, I rarely post pics. There's a lot better photographers on this forum than me. So I figure I'll leave it to them. ;)

Well boo....

[ReplicantSavior]

Took a few crappy pics with my phone before I find a permanent spot for her. Daylight's fading fast over here so I did the best I can.

Thanks for the pics. What edition did you get? The statue looks good. Probably their best Frazetta female. Also is it attached to the base in shipping?

[Valkyrie]

Thanks for the pics. What edition did you get? The statue looks good. Probably their best Frazetta female. Also is it attached to the base in shipping?

Mine was #10 of 50 and the base was a separate piece.

[ReplicantSavior]

Mine was #10 of 50 and the base was a separate piece.

50? Is that the NYCC edition? ARH's site says edition of 100. That's why I asked about the edition. I thought the NY one came with a print.

[Valkyrie]

Yes, 50. Mine did come with a print so I assume it's the NYCC edition. The link for that edition is broken now but I think I recall it saying the ES was 100 as well:

https://arhstudioscollectibles.com/s...-nycc-edition/

I can only assume they had to reduce the ES due to lack of sales. I'm not sure if they even sold any of the regular editions.

[jadekite22]

Yes, 50. Mine did come with a print so I assume it's the NYCC edition.The link for that edition is broken now but I think I recall it saying the ES was 100 as well:

https://arhstudioscollectibles.com/s...-nycc-edition/

I can only assume they had to reduce the ES due to lack of sales. I'm not sure if they even sold any of the regular editions.

That blows. If I was aware of the regular editions at the time, I definitely would've bought one.:( ARH didn't jump on my radar until I saw the Medusa Victorious previewed maybe a year or two ago.

[Valkyrie]

That blows. If I was aware of the regular editions at the time, I definitely would've bought one.:( ARH didn't jump on my radar until I saw the Medusa Victorious previewed maybe a year or two ago.

Yeah, I think she flew under a lot of people's radar. I don't think she was ever available at retail shops either.

You could always try contacting them to see if they had any extras or a wait list.

[jadekite22]

Yeah, I think she flew under a lot of people's radar. I don't think she was ever available at retail shops either.

You could always try contacting them to see if they had any extras or a wait list.

I might do that. Thanks for the tip.:)

[Zorglub]

Looks good !

[ReplicantSavior]

Yes, 50. Mine did come with a print so I assume it's the NYCC edition. The link for that edition is broken now but I think I recall it saying the ES was 100 as well:

https://arhstudioscollectibles.com/s...-nycc-edition/

I can only assume they had to reduce the ES due to lack of sales. I'm not sure if they even sold any of the regular editions.

This post confirms they saw the 100 NYCC edition too. I don't know why ARH would put sold out on the regular if they didn't sell out.

what is "NYCC Edition" ?
it's limited to 100, but why?

I find it crazy that ARH can post that long rant or whatever you want to call it on Facebook. But can't update customers with a simple sentence that they cut in half the edition of one of their convention exclusive statues. We'll see if the normal holds to 100 or gets boosted by 50. Or if the NYCC edition of 50 was a misprint.

There is no excuse of not communicating with your customers. There never was before and even more so today when you have so many methods to use.

[crimsinwing1989]

This post confirms they saw the 100 NYCC edition too. I don't know why ARH would put sold out on the regular if they didn't sell out.



I find it crazy that ARH can post that long rant or whatever you want to call it on Facebook. But can't update customers with a simple sentence that they cut in half the edition of one of their convention exclusive statues. We'll see if the normal holds to 100 or gets boosted by 50. Or if the NYCC edition of 50 was a misprint.

There is no excuse of not communicating with your customers. There never was before and even more so today when you have so many methods to use.
False, Warlock communicates and keeps everyone updated/provide information all the time.:)

[FriendlySamurai]

I find it crazy that ARH can post that long rant or whatever you want to call it on Facebook. But can't update customers with a simple sentence that they cut in half the edition of one of their convention exclusive statues. We'll see if the normal holds to 100 or gets boosted by 50. Or if the NYCC edition of 50 was a misprint.


I dont think they need to update the customers about that one. In fact, if its the case, I think its cool that they label the actual es on the statues rather than projected ES. I think most companies write /5000 or whatever on their base and never bother to change it when they cant sell them and stop ordering in the remaining shipments from China.

smaller ES is just icing for those that bought in.

[grphyx1]

Agreed. It would only matter if they increase the ES after order


I dont think they need to update the customers about that one. In fact, if its the case, I think its cool that they label the actual es on the statues rather than projected ES. I think most companies write /5000 or whatever on their base and never bother to change it when they cant sell them and stop ordering in the remaining shipments from China.

smaller ES is just icing for those that bought in.

[Valkyrie]

I also received the Death Dealer 3 EX last week. The EX was projected at 100 ES on the website. Total ES on the bottom of the base was 65. https://arhstudioscollectibles.com/shop/frazetta-death-dealer-3/

Thinking back, I'm pretty certain I ordered the regular edition of this Virgin piece because the NYCC edition became unavailable shortly after NYCC ended last year. I would have ordered sooner but I was struggling to decide if I still wanted her after they dropped the planned creature from the piece. Unless I'm mistaken, it looks like I ended up with an NYCC edition anyway since it included an art print (I think that was the only difference for this piece). I can only assume after they counted the total orders for both editions, they could only justify making 50 out of the projected 200 and they all ended up being NYCC edition anyway. If they couldn't even hit the projected sales to justify the 100 ES on the NYCC exclusive, it would seem to make sense that the regular editions would never get made. I honestly believe only 50 of these are in the wild and no more.

If the above scenario is true, the term "sold out" does seem a bit confusing on the Regular edition. Maybe taking down the Regular edition page and leaving the NYCC edition up showing "sold out" would make more sense. Like I said though, I'm pretty sure they take the NYCC editions down on the website as soon as NYCC ends. So I'm not sure what other alternative they had as far as the website goes.

As for communicating to customers about the reduced edition size, I agree that I would be more bothered if they increased the size after the fact. Reduced edition sizes are just extra icing on the cake for those that committed.

[FriendlySamurai]

Yeah, sold out doesnt necessarilly mean they sold the ES, it just means they sold all they were willing to buy and ship here based on sales. If its not selling, theres no reason to go through the expense of manufacturing them all and shipping them all here, only to have them rotting in their warehouse for the next 10 years.

Also, I doubt anyone would be comforted by open communication if the message was an increase in ES. ARH would be creating an angry mob with pitchforks a year before it was even released lol.

[Valkyrie]

Yeah, sold out doesnt necessarilly mean they sold the ES, it just means they sold all they were willing to buy and ship here based on sales. If its not selling, theres no reason to go through the expense of manufacturing them all and shipping them all here, only to have them rotting in their warehouse for the next 10 years.

Also, I doubt anyone would be comforted by open communication if the message was an increase in ES. ARH would be creating an angry mob with pitchforks a year before it was even released lol.

Exactly.

Also based on this evidence, I think we're beginning to see some truth in what Arahom and Ehren were saying about sales not being what was expected. At least on the Frazetta line.

[FriendlySamurai]

yeah, sux how it ended up. I think a lot of companies do that though- cut the ES when sales arent what they want. They just never adjust/correct it and the public is none the wiser. They just later wonder why they cant find any on ebay lol.

CS Moore's Aphrodite is one I think that was admitted as having a much lower ES than advertised. I kind of wonder now if DD1's total ES is gonna be the 190...

[zeus]

Exactly.

Also based on this evidence, I think we're beginning to see some truth in what Arahom and Ehren were saying about sales not being what was expected. At least on the Frazetta line.

Stop releasing everything ALL at the same time and maybe we can afford more stuff,passed on this cause I had 5 pre-orders already when they released them all the same time.And wanted to pick this up on a later date,cutting the ES is frustrating cause that later date when I had the funds wanted one he was cut short and sold out.

[Valkyrie]

Stop releasing everything ALL at the same time and maybe we can afford more stuff,passed on this cause I had 5 pre-orders already when they released them all the same time.And wanted to pick this up on a later date,cutting the ES is frustrating cause that later date when I had the funds wanted one he was cut short and sold out.

I don't disagree. I'm sure that played a factor too.

Last year, they were going nuts with the number of pre-orders that went up. I lost count but I think it was at least 10 statues within a relatively small timeframe.

The average collector can only afford so much, especially if ARH isn't the only collectible company they do business with.

[The13thWarlock]

False, Warlock communicates and keeps everyone updated/provide information all the time.:)

Thank you, thank you. Yes I do!

[The13thWarlock]

Stop releasing everything ALL at the same time and maybe we can afford more stuff,passed on this cause I had 5 pre-orders already when they released them all the same time.And wanted to pick this up on a later date,cutting the ES is frustrating cause that later date when I had the funds wanted one he was cut short and sold out.

I think this is really the key... If they would have released 1-2 a year then sales would have been better I think. But maybe the license was running out on the Frazetta stiff.

[ReplicantSavior]

False, Warlock communicates and keeps everyone updated/provide information all the time.:)

I don't see any posts from Warlock here about the edition size.

I dont think they need to update the customers about that one. In fact, if its the case, I think its cool that they label the actual es on the statues rather than projected ES. I think most companies write /5000 or whatever on their base and never bother to change it when they cant sell them and stop ordering in the remaining shipments from China.

smaller ES is just icing for those that bought in.

Agreed. It would only matter if they increase the ES after order

I'm sure there is a law against false representation. I saw a discussion in a Sideshow thread last night about finishing editions. I'm not sure of every Sideshow case, but I know they do batches some times. Also have gone back to finish other editions. But I have never heard of a case where Sideshow makes say a 1000 edition but that edition is really only 500.

I'm sure flippers or people who just want a low edition that's more valuable will be happy with this change of edition size. And I know they would be upset if the edition went up instead of down. I've heard of a few Pop Culture Shock editions that have gone up afterwards. But up or down it's bad. It's the same thing. Misrepresentation. ARH should have just used a To Be Determined (TBD) edition size like Sideshow now does.

I looked back over this thread and it's understandable that ARH would have the NYCC edition only open for order during the NYCC. But for the normal, that seemed to be up for only about a month and a half. So for a month and a half they listed the edition at 100. Then posted sold out.

If they only took say 25 orders of the NYCC edition during the order period that's fine. Revise the number since it was a basically a timed edition only open for the convention. But for the normal, posting sold out of the 100 editions is disingenuous at best. As what they did was stop orders when they saw little interest.


Thinking back, I'm pretty certain I ordered the regular edition of this Virgin piece because the NYCC edition became unavailable shortly after NYCC ended last year.


Doesn't your email or invoice state the version you originally ordered?

Yeah, sold out doesnt necessarilly mean they sold the ES, it just means they sold all they were willing to buy and ship here based on sales. If its not selling, theres no reason to go through the expense of manufacturing them all and shipping them all here, only to have them rotting in their warehouse for the next 10 years.


Then they should not have stated 100 edition size. But TBD. And when they listed sold out, they should have revised it to the true edition size at that point. As of today, it still says 100. We'll see what happens in the coming days though when and if these show up on eBay or other retailers.

[Valkyrie]

Doesn't your email or invoice state the version you originally ordered?

It said "FRAZETTA Virgin of Mahars". No indication of which version it was.

[FriendlySamurai]

I'm sure there is a law against false representation. I saw a discussion in a Sideshow thread last night about finishing editions. I'm not sure of every Sideshow case, but I know they do batches some times. Also have gone back to finish other editions. But I have never heard of a case where Sideshow makes say a 1000 edition but that edition is really only 500

Then they should not have stated 100 edition size. But TBD. And when they listed sold out, they should have revised it to the true edition size at that point. As of today, it still says 100. We'll see what happens in the coming days though when and if these show up on eBay or other retailers.

I'm pretty sure they all do batches. That is why we get them at different times. It also makes it easy to say "no more batches, they aint selling". If Sideshow only sold 500 of 1000 statues, do you really think theyd broadcast their failure? Not only that but they print those ES numbers on the base, they cant just erase them after theyve started production. Sideshow ES numbers are running close to 10,000 on some of these PFs. There is no way they arent cutting numbers short for some of these releases. Slamming ARH for their honesty seems kind of pointless. Calling this false representation is like calling candy at a parade littering.

TBD I dont think would work as well for a smaller company that typically has edition sizes of 300 or less.

[ReplicantSavior]

It said "FRAZETTA Virgin of Mahars". No indication of which version it was.

Strange. They couldn't even label the edition properly on orders. ARH just seems to be a fly by night kind of setup at times.

I'm pretty sure they all do batches. That is why we get them at different times. It also makes it easy to say "no more batches, they aint selling". If Sideshow only sold 500 of 1000 statues, do you really think theyd broadcast their failure? Not only that but they print those ES numbers on the base, they cant just erase them after theyve started production. Sideshow ES numbers are running close to 10,000 on some of these PFs. There is no way they arent cutting numbers short for some of these releases. Slamming ARH for their honesty seems kind of pointless. Calling this false representation is like calling candy at a parade littering.

TBD I dont think would work as well for a smaller company that typically has edition sizes of 300 or less.

I don't think they all do batches. When I got the Power Girl Exclusive, I don't think that was made in a batch.

TBD can work for any company. It's far better than stating a number that can change. When you don't reach that number it shows failure too.

[The13thWarlock]

A TBD numbering on a limited edition statue is crazy... I applaud ARH for revising the number to reflect the number that has actually been produced. Let's face it, if they just left it at 100 then no one would be the wiser that 35 of the statues were never produced. The argument that ARH is somehow disingenuous over this... Wow.

When I said I was really getting tired of hearing complaints about the styrofoam I never though producing under the limited number would be the next issue.

What's next? Are people going to take issue with the type of car Arahom drives?

[ReplicantSavior]

A TBD numbering on a limited edition statue is crazy... I applaud ARH for revising the number to reflect the number that has actually been produced. Let's face it, if they just left it at 100 then no one would be the wiser that 35 of the statues were never produced. The argument that ARH is somehow disingenuous over this... Wow.

When I said I was really getting tired of hearing complaints about the styrofoam I never though producing under the limited number would be the next issue.

What's next? Are people going to take issue with the type of car Arahom drives?

TBD is what Sideshow does. Limited or not, that's more honest in what you are doing, which is getting a feel for demand, than putting 100 edition and getting a surprise upon release. It really doesn't matter if it's lower. All that does is excite the flipper or person who will most likely want to sell in the future. At the least, they could do what Prototypez is doing and say at the most there will be 100 edition. But ARH never did that. Most reasonable people would assume that there were going to be 100 NYCC and 100 Normal edition of this piece. As it stands, it seems like there are only 50. So from 200 stated original total to now 50. I don't know where you get that 35 were never produced.

[Nugchompa]

SSAlex said that Sideshow has adjusted the numbers on a statue once when less were ultimately produced. It was on the Red Sonja thread.

"The only piece that I have ever known to not have it's full run completed was one of the older TMNT comiquettes (but the written ES on that piece ended up being adjusted to the final among produced on the statue during production)."

[TNovak]

I kind of wish I had ordered this one. At the time I thought there would be quite a few Frazettas and if I had to trim this one and the cats got the axe.

Oh well.

[Valkyrie]

What's next? Are people going to take issue with the type of car Arahom drives?

Don't open that can of worms.

We might get a debate on the pros and cons of foreign vs. domestic. :D

[The13thWarlock]

My guess is that they planned to sell a lot more of these than they did... hence why they brought Ehren on board to help with the sculpts, but the market wasn't there, for whatever reason. Probably the main cause was so many being released at one time. So, ARH had a choice... order the full 100/100 have them for future sales, or cut the order short. I would venture a guess that because of the license they couldn't just put things "on hold" and have more made at a later date. Also, seeing how much trouble it is to get rid of the Viking statues, it probably doesn't seem too appealing to have a few score of statues sitting in a room waiting for buyers...

It is a shame they didn't order a few more from the factory... Im sure they could have moved 5-10 more to people who couldn't get them at the time they were offered. I would have picked up a barbarian for sure.

[AndAlsoTheTrees]

I really would love to see more pics of her.
She is probably considered as minor compared to the others Frazetta / ARH statues but I like her very much !

[Valkyrie]

I really would love to see more pics of her.
She is probably considered as minor compared to the others Frazetta / ARH statues but I like her very much !

Here's a video. Unfortunately, the owner has the camera light (flash) turned on the whole time. Not very flattering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwxNqwF_IhQ

If you want some natural light pics, I posted some a few pages back. Not the best camera quality though.

[ReTardist]

I might be biased but I love this statue and I had a lot of fun sculpting it ;)

[Valkyrie]

I might be biased but I love this statue and I had a lot of fun sculpting it ;)

It is a beautiful sculpt and I definitely love having her on my shelf! ;)

At first, I was torn about getting her when the creature was canceled but I'm glad I did in the end.

[AndAlsoTheTrees]

Here's a video. Unfortunately, the owner has the camera light (flash) turned on the whole time. Not very flattering...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwxNqwF_IhQ

If you want some natural light pics, I posted some a few pages back. Not the best camera quality though.

Thanks for the link and for your pics.
I had seen them but I think you're the only one who shared...

[AndAlsoTheTrees]

I might be biased but I love this statue and I had a lot of fun sculpting it ;)

I love it too and I'm a little disappointed it is not better considered.
I think this is the perfect representation of "the Frazetta female", and something a little different for once.
Don't get me wrong, I love Barbarians and Death Dealers, but come on, how many times have they been sculpted ?!
I'm so mad at me I didn't get one... :banghead:

[oddlysober]

Are there really only 50 of these worldwide?

[ReTardist]

Are there really on 50 of these worldwide?

yes and i dont even have one

[oddlysober]

yes and i dont even have one

Seriously?! You are the artist who sculpted the piece and she's not in your collection? Wow, I thought you might have received one of the artist proofs. Was one even offered to you?

[johnclone]

I like that sculpt very much, not a fan of the paints though.

[ReTardist]

i don't have a single piece i worked on for ARH...

[oddlysober]

i don't have a single piece i worked on for ARH...

What a shame, an artist not having a copy of his hard work. I hope things are different with Level 52, hopefully they will at least offer you a discount.

[TNovak]

I decided to get this one. I really like it. I do wish they had kept the creature in it though, even if they would have had to go to 1/8 or 1/9 Reelart scale. Still another great Frazetta sculpt by Ehren though.

[oddlysober]

She is a beautiful sculpt. I am a tad bothered by the paint application and lack of feet, but overall a great representation of a Frazetta girl.

[TNovak]

She is a beautiful sculpt. I am a tad bothered by the paint application and lack of feet, but overall a great representation of a Frazetta girl.

She has feet, they are just in water. I wish they had included the creature but other than that I think she is spot on

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fvSSLy0eIhA/S9TK4Te6AzI/AAAAAAAAAZw/UJe1T-zDJM0/s1600/Frazetta+Mahar+Virgin+ink.jpg

[qz33]

She has feet, they are just in water. I wish they had included the creature but other than that I think she is spot on

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fvSSLy0eIhA/S9TK4Te6AzI/AAAAAAAAAZw/UJe1T-zDJM0/s1600/Frazetta+Mahar+Virgin+ink.jpg

They are so far apart they really should be separate pieces and maybe the sculptor could be convinced for a commission...

[oddlysober]

I guess you can ask Ehren if he's up for a commission. It would be interesting to see how he might interpret what the face of the creature would look like. How much is this statue going for these days? If it's still reasonably low perhaps a collector might be willing to spend a little more cash on a private commission.

[TNovak]

Oh there is already stuff out there if you wanted to buy it as a one of a kind. that is really expensive though and I don't love this sketch that much. If you bought it and tried to produce it you would run afoul of the Frazetta's and they protect their licensing.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/Frazetta/VM1.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/Frazetta/VM1.jpg.html)

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/TeddyNovak/Frazetta/VM2.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/TeddyNovak/media/Frazetta/VM2.jpg.html)

[TNovak]

Got my Virgin of Mahar. #1 of 50. Yay! I am very happy with it. Biggest problem for me is it is 1/5 scale and I really don't have anything else that size. Have attached a couple pics. Spencer says they have a couple more (or did when I ordered mine) if anybody wants one.

[oddlysober]

Cool, happy to hear you like the piece dude. Any plans to touch up on the paint?

[TNovak]

Cool, happy to hear you like the piece dude. Any plans to touch up on the paint?

Not at the moment. If I painted myself I might be tempted but I always have to hire it out and I have several kits in my closet already that I need to have pro-painted and there are also a couple of prepaints that I would likely want to have "wowed" up before this one. I don't mined the paint up. I may have Shedman do a couple of minor touch ups. He is close by so I wouldn't need to ship, could just drop her off, and he is very reasonable. But he has a ton of his own stuff he wants to paint so not sure that would work either.

Wow, that was long winded response. I meant to say "no". :penguin:

[oddlysober]

It's cool man. The reason why I asked was due to your awesome Barbarian repaint. Ehren did an amazing job on the Virgin.

[ReTardist]

man i wanna see that repainted

[TNovak]

man i wanna see that repainted

Do you want to see it bad enough to subsidize part of repainting mine? :wink2:

[TNovak]

man i wanna see that repainted

So I 've been looking at her and I think the paint up is really pretty good for a factory job, especially the base. Just curious what everyone doesn't like about her? Is it the mundane mono-color of the clothing and beads or skin tone or what?

It is a pen and ink drawing so of course colors and what not are open to interpretation but I really think this looks pretty good.

[Marcel54]

I hope to receive mine this week, so I can form a better opinion. But looking at the photos the only thing I would improve are the eyelashes and eyebrows, like in your Barbarian slave girl.

[SAB380]

The main thing I don't like about it is the hair covering the tits
- signed Warlock

[StarSoldier]

So I 've been looking at her and I think the paint up is really pretty good for a factory job, especially the base. Just curious what everyone doesn't like about her? Is it the mundane mono-color of the clothing and beads or skin tone or what?

It is a pen and ink drawing so of course colors and what not are open to interpretation but I really think this looks pretty good.
You just said it: "for a factory job" and that's my issue with it I suppose...
Since I saw that slave-girl repaint from the other thread, my perspective on how a good paint job is supposed to be changed forever unfortunately :crazy:
I will agree with you though that the base is fantastic so no complaints there.
I am personally more concerned about the face (lifeless two-dimentional eyes & lips) and about the less-than clean paint up of the clothes and accessories where they meet with the skin- at least on my statue.

[TNovak]

You just said it: "for a factory job" and that's my issue with it I suppose...
Since I saw that slave-girl repaint from the other thread, my perspective on how a good paint job is supposed to be changed forever unfortunately :crazy:
I will agree with you though that the base is fantastic so no complaints there.
I am personally more concerned about the face (lifeless two-dimentional eyes & lips) and about the less-than clean paint up of the clothes and accessories where they meet with the skin- at least on my statue.

I started getting pro paint jobs on some things a few years ago and yeah it is worse than crack. You get so you feel like you need them. I have probably 30 pro paint ups and if I could I would repaint them all. :DJsmile:

Of the stuff I have now that I think could use a pro paint job I would start with Conan the Brutal. But not in the budget at the moment.

[FriendlySamurai]

I keep wanting some paintups, but those darn preorders wont give me a break! lol. Thinking of trying a few things myself.

[Marcel54]

I hope to receive mine this week, so I can form a better opinion. But looking at the photos the only thing I would improve are the eyelashes and eyebrows, like in your Barbarian slave girl.

I got mine (#41/50) today and I must say that it looks even better in real life. Especially the face and eyes are better looking than in the photos. I am happy.