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davide87ita
10-02-2015, 10:36 AM
Guys xm will be releasing the 2nd series of Captain America 1/4 scale : Sentinel of Liberty. A quick background story on this capt; When our first capt came out, it actually took us about a year to sell out 500 pieces! We were relatively unknown then but some local distributors took a chance on us. As early as then, there were discussions on a Disti exclusive capt as our way of saying thanks. That's the story of this 2nd capt and that's why it's only 500es. It's a special tribute to our early believer partners and not something we came up with recently. Just thought we should clear the air.

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wanderlai
10-02-2015, 10:37 AM
Is it the exact same Cap as the first statue only saluting?

madmanny
10-02-2015, 10:44 AM
I really like this. The first ones face killed it for me.

kevin2323
10-02-2015, 10:44 AM
Is it the exact same Cap as the first statue only saluting?

doesnt look like it.

Shoo
10-02-2015, 10:54 AM
Nice. Very nice. Very, very nice. Too nice in fact. :redface::bawling:

Mamba
10-02-2015, 10:58 AM
Wow I like it a lot.

Demona
10-02-2015, 11:05 AM
I like everything about this. Simple and crisp design. Great detail with the suit. Great face. And the best part -- not a huge base.

Wonder if they are doing a whole line with SHIELD bases?

AC_808
10-02-2015, 11:12 AM
Ooooooooo! Down right awesome!

Hulk next! Hulk next! Please.......

marker2037
10-02-2015, 11:13 AM
Looks good. Classic museum pose.

FastballSpecial
10-02-2015, 11:14 AM
Wow nice!

nexus
10-02-2015, 11:17 AM
This looks to be a completely different model than the first one. The portrait is fantastic and great detailing. Will have to see the base and paintup. Hopefully there will be a change-o unmasked head sculpt if I do decide to pick it up.

Ooooooooo! Down right awesome!

Hulk next! Hulk next! Please.......

If that happened I'd have to sell one of the others to make room. I'll soon have all three of the new SS Hulks and no plans to break up that group. OG Hulk is still probably the best ever. So only other would be movie Hulk.

kenshi8
10-02-2015, 11:33 AM
Way better than the first one. Definitely getting this

Thor57
10-02-2015, 11:38 AM
Looks good, but I'm happy with the first Cap.

Hopefully this means a modern Thor is soon!

farhan
10-02-2015, 12:05 PM
This is so much better than the 1st xm capt. Simple but so patriotic. I love it. Reminds me of bowen capt when I saw this the 1st time. Instant po.

actionjackson83
10-02-2015, 12:26 PM
Looks good, but wouldn't go with their current avengers setup. now if all of them were in heroic static museum poses then that would've worked. I do like the portrait more on this one though, but not enough to drop nearly a grand after shipping and fees to get another one.

built2shred
10-02-2015, 12:56 PM
I would of preferred if they based this on the Movies instead of the comics (since they already did a comic version).. A set of Movie based Avenger statues in museum pose would of been cool.....

yeek
10-02-2015, 01:06 PM
Nice simple and classic pose. Portrait looks a ton better on this one than the first release too.

davide87ita
10-02-2015, 01:08 PM
From a FB post reply it will be 500es like the original one

Comicbookguy
10-02-2015, 01:17 PM
Hmmmm didn't see this coming. Another cap so fast? Is it 500es?

yipkusing
10-02-2015, 01:38 PM
:jawd: instant buy

loricstone
10-02-2015, 01:43 PM
Ooooooooo! Down right awesome!

Hulk next! Hulk next! Please.......

Gray or Red Hulk...no Green is needed right now. Maybe in another couple years.

Demona
10-02-2015, 02:01 PM
You mean you wouldn't want a Planet Hulk? Or Maestro?

Seems like they could have fun with those two designs.

gomur
10-02-2015, 02:13 PM
I really like this. The first ones face killed it for me.

Yeah, me too. For everything I loved about it, I couldn't get past the eye holes.

This one's mask looks far better to me. However, I'm not feeling the elbow length gloves.

At least on the saluting arm they look too exaggerated.

Rainy
10-02-2015, 02:33 PM
Gray or Red Hulk...no Green is needed right now. Maybe in another couple years.

2nd that hopefully a gray Hulk also they said Cap es will be 500 only for the people who missed the first one

Spidey976
10-02-2015, 03:16 PM
Ooooooooo! Down right awesome!

Hulk next! Hulk next! Please.......

Oh I gotta agree on all points. Green Hulk for the win.

built2shred
10-02-2015, 03:47 PM
Yeah, me too. For everything I loved about it, I couldn't get past the eye holes.

This one's mask looks far better to me. However, I'm not feeling the elbow length gloves.

At least on the saluting arm they look too exaggerated.

If you look at this picture the gloves stop well short of his elbows, basically from the gloves up to his bicep is the same material as his mid section..


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The Mule
10-02-2015, 04:27 PM
Dunno, doesn't sound a great idea to release a new Cap a year later the first one.

RossMcCollector
10-02-2015, 04:32 PM
I wonder what would be the changing parts? Would it possible to switch the salute arm with a different piece to create another pose?

candyrocket786
10-02-2015, 04:37 PM
Dunno, doesn't sound a great idea to release a new Cap a year later the first one.

I'll buy it. I passed on the first one.

risingstar
10-02-2015, 04:51 PM
I really like the body type. The portrait looks fabulous too, as does the costume choice. However, the salute pose does very little to excite me. I'll hold off for the next 1/4 scale Cap. However, I imagine that patriotic theme will definitely draw enough fans to guarantee another super fast sell-out.

Ricky Bobby
10-02-2015, 04:55 PM
I dig this quite a bit,portrait looks excellent

loricstone
10-02-2015, 05:36 PM
You mean you wouldn't want a Planet Hulk? Or Maestro?

Seems like they could have fun with those two designs.

Planet Hulk no. Maestro...yes. Haven't seen a Maestro Hulk from any company yet that holds a legit license in 1/4. That would be perfectly fine in my book. Also, Skaar. Why would you need another Green Hulk when there are so many to do?

1) Red
2) Gray
3) Maestro
4) Skaar

loricstone
10-02-2015, 05:38 PM
Oh I gotta agree on all points. Green Hulk for the win.

Booo....hey shoo...aren't you working on one in Z-brush for yourself.:laugh:

loricstone
10-02-2015, 05:38 PM
Dunno, doesn't sound a great idea to release a new Cap a year later the first one.

Been three years Mule since they did the first Cap. I have had mine for almost 2 years now

TheGriffinKing
10-02-2015, 05:50 PM
I love Cap and I love this freaking statue. I don't collect 1/4 scale cuz I simply can't afford it. Just 1/6 and below for me. BUT if I could, this would be an instant buy. As soon as I saw it, I had to comment. Fantastic. I'm super jealous of you guys getting it but I...salute you...lol

jfyahui
10-02-2015, 06:47 PM
Guys xm will be releasing the 2nd series of Captain America 1/4 scale :The Honorary

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12115538_1600613913492635_354521476046126910_n.jpg?oh=ddad9ac959b2a4b310f949d9f2187ce2&oe=56A206A0

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12115565_1600613936825966_674515169053712320_n.jpg?oh=5aeebd02e74e149be4b6b4d89c4b0d5d&oe=568552EA
Looks great!
I got the first one,but I might get this one also...caps is tops!:thumbs2:

jfyahui
10-02-2015, 06:51 PM
I really like this. The first ones face killed it for me.
Check post 113 page 12,on the post every time you get a new statue section,you can see my caps...he looks really amazing..face is good..please check the pictures..tell me what you think..:thumbs2:

Spidey976
10-02-2015, 07:30 PM
Booo....hey shoo...aren't you working on one in Z-brush for yourself.:laugh:

Oh I am, but I am not at this level YET... Getting better at the head sculpts though

rhy
10-02-2015, 07:34 PM
If the original Cap had this portrait it would be the definitive Rogers. Still a great piece.

IXEC
10-02-2015, 07:42 PM
I like second chances........:thumbs2:

loricstone
10-02-2015, 07:56 PM
Oh I am, but I am not at this level YET... Getting better at the head sculpts though

Practice makes perfect. I am now getting into DAZ Poser. I figure, I can do a decent mock up on my character so you can see what I envision when I send the bmp. to you.

Comicbookguy
10-02-2015, 08:00 PM
You mean you wouldn't want a Planet Hulk? Or Maestro?

Seems like they could have fun with those two designs.

Yeah it would be much better than the lazy SS repaint and much nicer to get a brand new XM action pose. I like planet hulk just didn't want to buy 2 of the same repaints from SS for GH and planet hulk. XM will do planet hulk justice!

I'll buy it. I passed on the first one.

That's why I want a cap brand new sculpt and great ES for those who missed the first. This is such a good idea XM. Please don't ever do what SS does with the lazy repaints and the massive ES with bad QC that we see so much. This keeps XM exciting! Thanks XM! :D
This cap looks way better than the SS and even the first cap imo. Best one made so far love the head sculpt and the pose is great. Will we get a unmasked COH?

Thor57
10-02-2015, 08:08 PM
Lets not get hypocritical here. People bash SS all the time for re doing past characters they recently did. That's what XM is doing here. I said it for years. There is a group of characters these companies will always go back to because they are instant sellers. There are a lot of things XM would be fools to follow SS on, but pushing out a Cap, Thor, Spidey, Hulk, Iron Man type character every 2 or 3 years is okay as long as they are still branching out with a Ghost Rider, Mysterio, type character in the mean time. Sideshows problem is they have to many licenses so instead of alternating lesser known comic characters in between the popular ones, they throw in well known movie and horror characters instead.

Spidey976
10-02-2015, 08:10 PM
Practice makes perfect. I am now getting into DAZ Poser. I figure, I can do a decent mock up on my character so you can see what I envision when I send the bmp. to you.

Well... I got another generation of body sculpt coming...lol... You may be interested

AlizAbef
10-02-2015, 08:40 PM
I think the head sculpt is light years ahead of the first one they did. I also think it's light years ahead of all those aftermarket customs too. Saluting too (with the correct hand). This one already looks like a win for XM.

rebirthz
10-02-2015, 09:02 PM
Fyi from what i know this line will likely have lesser switchouts. This is so that thy can be at a lower price point for thriftier collectors.

qz33
10-02-2015, 10:21 PM
Best Captain America yet? Sculpt says yes.

This could prove that regardless of overexposure, ES, or price, a great sculpt still moves statues.
Even though this is a stoic pose it so fits the character.

Does this mean perhaps we can get an action pose for another Thor? Many of XM's concepts mirror some of Bowen's so... just go ahead and get that awesome cape going.

Spidey976
10-02-2015, 11:14 PM
Lets not get hypocritical here. People bash SS all the time for re doing past characters they recently did. That's what XM is doing here. I said it for years. There is a group of characters these companies will always go back to because they are instant sellers. There are a lot of things XM would be fools to follow SS on, but pushing out a Cap, Thor, Spidey, Hulk, Iron Man type character every 2 or 3 years is okay as long as they are still branching out with a Ghost Rider, Mysterio, type character in the mean time. Sideshows problem is they have to many licenses so instead of alternating lesser known comic characters in between the popular ones, they throw in well known movie and horror characters instead.

There are going to be a lot guys go quiet on this one, at least in terms of the Cap revist. I for one don't care, and since I haven't spoken up against multiple releases of popular characters I can, without sounding like a hypocrit, say that I am glad that XM is taking at least a few more shots at some very popular characters. The artists at XM are growing by leaps and bounds as time goes by. Having used some of their tools myself I can honestly say that you can and will make giant leaps forward. Especially when you have talent like these guys do. So IMHO they should get extra kicks at the can for characters like Cap or Hulk (oh sushy loric you old killjoy let some of the rest of us have fun..lol). I feel that this sculpts shows 2-3 years of artistic growth over and above the previous Cap release from sculpting evey day and that it is truly iconic. I really do think these guys can out do themselves.

SONICobra
10-02-2015, 11:53 PM
about as good as you can get with a classic cap

Peedi
10-03-2015, 12:54 AM
I like how on their fb page it says for those that missed the first one...like that'll stop some from double dipping if they want to.

I think people are excited and accept this because it's not like SS where there's like 3-5 versions of the same character back to back and Ex and Reg combined can be well over 2000 for each version. Both of XM's Caps are low ES and different concepts, it works.

Congrats to those that want and get this. It's not exciting me much, I'd rather see an update on the Spidey/MJ and sculpts for things they previously announced (BP, GG, where o where are Star Wars, etc) but I'm happy for those that have another opportunity to get an XM Cap.

Comicbookguy
10-03-2015, 01:19 AM
There are going to be a lot guys go quiet on this one, at least in terms of the Cap revist. I for one don't care, and since I haven't spoken up against multiple releases of popular characters I can, without sounding like a hypocrit, say that I am glad that XM is taking at least a few more shots at some very popular characters. The artists at XM are growing by leaps and bounds as time goes by. Having used some of their tools myself I can honestly say that you can and will make giant leaps forward. Especially when you have talent like these guys do. So IMHO they should get extra kicks at the can for characters like Cap or Hulk (oh sushy loric you old killjoy let some of the rest of us have fun..lol). I feel that this sculpts shows 2-3 years of artistic growth over and above the previous Cap release from sculpting evey day and that it is truly iconic. I really do think these guys can out do themselves.

Hmmm yeah I agree this looks years ahead and yes XM is tweaking their skills as time goes on. I don't like remaking the same characters as much as I should, But XM did the best job possible. XM did a brand new sculpt, and low es which is perfect size. So I really do think can be for the ones who didn't like the first cap. I wanted to get the first one but just didn't like it enough to spend the money for him. This worked out perfectly even for people like me who hates big es and reissues. XM you guys are so awesome keeping both sides happy.


I think the head sculpt is light years ahead of the first one they did. I also think it's light years ahead of all those aftermarket customs too. Saluting too (with the correct hand). This one already looks like a win for XM.

Yes It shows and I can see the difference :smokin:

The Mule
10-03-2015, 02:04 AM
I still don't see the point. The character exists in 1:4 scale from multiple companies already, it's been done (relatively) recently and, most of all, they're going with a 500 ES for it... now, chances are that those who grabbed the first are the ones with the contacts and means to grab this second, while the others will most likely be cut off.
If they really wanted to give more chances, should make this 999ES, this way more people get to get it and at the same time those who purchased the first one are somehow safe thanks to the fact that its ES is very low, and value isn't hurt.

Kovenor
10-03-2015, 02:19 AM
Who cares.. its their company they can do what they want. Their statues sell out in minutes so they are obviously doing something right. And lets give them credit here.. they have released almost every spidey villain out there in the span of two months. They honor a low es of below 1000 for all their statues even tho they could easily sell many more. And this captain america is only 500 es and it offers an option for those that missed out or didnt like the first one. Just be happy its not a variant like sideshow would try pulling. Its a total rescuplt and tons better then the first one. People need to stop complaining. Keep up the GREAT work XM.

Comicbookguy
10-03-2015, 04:09 AM
Who cares.. its their company they can do what they want. Their statues sell out in minutes so they are obviously doing something right. And lets give them credit here.. they have released almost every spidey villain out there in the span of two months. They honor a low es of below 1000 for all their statues even tho they could easily sell many more. And this captain america is only 500 es and it offers an option for those that missed out or didnt like the first one. Just be happy its not a variant like sideshow would try pulling. Its a total rescuplt and tons better then the first one. People need to stop complaining. Keep up the GREAT work XM.

Oh wow thanks for saving me time to type this exact thing! :laugh: this I agree, XM please don't change we love you!

Restinpieces
10-03-2015, 04:18 AM
Who cares.. its their company they can do what they want. Their statues sell out in minutes so they are obviously doing something right. And lets give them credit here.. they have released almost every spidey villain out there in the span of two months. They honor a low es of below 1000 for all their statues even tho they could easily sell many more. And this captain america is only 500 es and it offers an option for those that missed out or didnt like the first one. Just be happy its not a variant like sideshow would try pulling. Its a total rescuplt and tons better then the first one. People need to stop complaining. Keep up the GREAT work XM.
:goodpost: :buttrock:

Bullseye
10-03-2015, 07:31 AM
Isn't this normally where people come in and say "Not another CA with so many other characters need doing"?

built2shred
10-03-2015, 07:38 AM
Isn't this normally where people come in and say "Not another CA with so many other characters need doing"?

If they were going to do one I would of preferred a movie version... That said given all the Capt. Americas out on the market I doubt we needed another one.

Now with that said :) XM has done a boatload of statues since the first Capt. America, plus both Capt's are only 500 ES, so there only putting out 1000 of them, compared to some other companies that have probably done like 40k+ of Capt.....

So I guess it depends on your view point.

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 07:45 AM
Double post

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 07:46 AM
Isn't this normally where people come in and say "Not another CA with so many other characters need doing"?

Some are, but most won't. Not here at least. FB is a totally different ball game. I will say it is disingenuous to a point to say it with XM to the same degree we say it with SSC though because XM HAS been making the other characters. Let's face it SSC has made 5 Hulks in 3 years. 2 Caps in 2 years. 5 Batmans and 4 Superman in 3 years. Heck 4 Spideran statues in 3 years. Now I personally don't give a rats ass about any of that, and yeah there might be a tiny amount of hypokracy here, but it isn't exactly comparing apples to apples. Yet. Only time will tell in the end.

Bullseye
10-03-2015, 07:48 AM
Now with that said :) XM has done a boatload of statues since the first Capt. America, plus both Capt's are only 500 ES, so there only putting out 1000 of them, compared to some other companies that have probably done like 40k+ of Capt.....


Most of which haven't shipped yet. So many characters they could do even within the CA universe.

Bullseye
10-03-2015, 07:51 AM
Some are, but most won't. Not here at least. FB is a totally different ball game. I will say it is disingenuous to a point to say it with XM to the same degree we say it with SSC though because XM HAS been making the other characters. Let's face it SSC has made 5 Hulks in 3 years. 2 Caps in 2 years. 5 Batmans and 4 Superman in 3 years. Heck 4 Spideran statues in 3 years. Now I personally don't give a rats ass about any of that, and yeah there might be a tiny amount of hypokracy here, but it isn't exactly comparing apples to apples. Yet. Only time will tell in the end.

SSC get plenty of slack for exactly this. But from a business point of view I totally get why XM are doing another CA. It allows them produce lesser known pieces as these tent pole characters help finance the lesser known ones.

Bullseye
10-03-2015, 07:53 AM
Regarding the sculpt pose I find it strange that they did not go for a much more dynamic one given that they already produced a patriotic version already.

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 08:20 AM
SSC get plenty of slack for exactly this. But from a business point of view I totally get why XM are doing another CA. It allows them produce lesser known pieces as these tent pole characters help finance the lesser known ones.

XM also has just renewed their Marvel contract recently. There may be stipulations associated with it as well or they may also have decided that they paid to play and they might as well get a chance to do some of their favorite characters on their own dime.

shorudan
10-03-2015, 08:34 AM
A quick background story on this capt; When our first capt came out, it actually took us about a year to sell out 500 pieces! We were relatively unknown then but some local distributors took a chance on us. As early as then, there were discussions on a Disti exclusive capt as our way of saying thanks. That's the story of this 2nd capt and that's why it's only 500es. It's a special tribute to our early believer partners and not something we came up with recently. Just thought we should clear the air.

madmanny
10-03-2015, 08:46 AM
A quick background story on this capt; When our first capt came out, it actually took us about a year to sell out 500 pieces! We were relatively unknown then but some local distributors took a chance on us. As early as then, there were discussions on a Disti exclusive capt as our way of saying thanks. That's the story of this 2nd capt and that's why it's only 500es. It's a special tribute to our early believer partners and not something we came up with recently. Just thought we should clear the air.

which ones will likely stock the piece?

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 08:54 AM
A quick background story on this capt; When our first capt came out, it actually took us about a year to sell out 500 pieces! We were relatively unknown then but some local distributors took a chance on us. As early as then, there were discussions on a Disti exclusive capt as our way of saying thanks. That's the story of this 2nd capt and that's why it's only 500es. It's a special tribute to our early believer partners and not something we came up with recently. Just thought we should clear the air.

That is an awesome thank you m8. I still don't think you should halve to apologize or clear the air for bringing us an amazing looking piece...lol

khrisc
10-03-2015, 09:05 AM
so is this Cap going to be distributor exclusive?

GrumpyBear
10-03-2015, 09:05 AM
A quick background story on this capt; When our first capt came out, it actually took us about a year to sell out 500 pieces! We were relatively unknown then but some local distributors took a chance on us. As early as then, there were discussions on a Disti exclusive capt as our way of saying thanks. That's the story of this 2nd capt and that's why it's only 500es. It's a special tribute to our early believer partners and not something we came up with recently. Just thought we should clear the air.

Bryan if i own the first one get i % on the second? ;)

Peedi
10-03-2015, 09:56 AM
Who cares.. its their company they can do what they want. Their statues sell out in minutes so they are obviously doing something right. And lets give them credit here.. they have released almost every spidey villain out there in the span of two months.

None of the Spidey villains have been released yet. There's been pictures, but no releases. Half don't have printed sculpts yet, only artwork or digital sculpts. None have been painted.

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 09:59 AM
None of the Spidey villains have been released yet. There's been pictures, but no releases. Half don't have printed sculpts yet, only artwork or digital sculpts. None have been painted.

I think we can safely say he meant to say they are "releasing" not "released". Still with all these different companies producing Spiderman and his rogues.... Pretty much a great time to be a Spidey fan.

On a more topical note I just caught a glimps or the OG XM Cap in the forum banner, and agai I have to say that as great as that one looked the obvious artistic growth visibl with the executuion of this one is killer.

The Mule
10-03-2015, 10:02 AM
Yeah I don't think they should "apologize", I mean, it's not the end of the world. And they are making characters that I thought nobody else would have tackled, like Black Bolt and Namor, so major props for that.
So will this be carried only by specific distributors?

Peedi
10-03-2015, 10:19 AM
I don't think he was apologizing. No problem with explaining what this piece is for. The sculpting is great but even with no investment on my behalf since I'm not buying this it's still cool to know what the story is behind this. Of course they didn't have to explain, nobody has to do anything, but it's cool they did and just another example of what the company is all about.

I think we can safely say he meant to say they are "releasing" not "released". Still with all these different companies producing Spiderman and his rogues.... Pretty much a great time to be a Spidey fan.

Not so sure about that since he said they released them in the span of two months...they didn't do that, and nothing indicates they'll be "releasing" them all in the span of two months, either...either way, with all statues it's a waiting game anyway.

wanderlai
10-03-2015, 11:38 AM
Oh come on guys....they make a new 500 ES Cap and now they are SS with the retreads and variants...smh. XM has made and have characters in the works that SS hasn't touched or won't touch because they don't think they can sell 3000+.

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 11:59 AM
Oh come on guys....they make a new 500 ES Cap and now they are SS with the retreads and variants...smh. XM has made and have characters in the works that SS hasn't touched or won't touch because they don't think they can sell 3000+.

And if we are being FARE there are plenty of characters that SSC has done that haven't had ESes anywhere near 3000+. In the end it doesn't matter come one.... We all love these pieces of art... And this one certainly looks AMAZING.

Comicbookguy
10-03-2015, 01:34 PM
Oh come on guys....they make a new 500 ES Cap and now they are SS with the retreads and variants...smh. XM has made and have characters in the works that SS hasn't touched or won't touch because they don't think they can sell 3000+.

I really hate reissues and big ES don't like them one bit. But the way XM did this im perfectly fine with it. As others mention brand new sculpt and low ES, not the simple repaints like SS with big ES not to mention mutilple repaints of the same statue x3 like all thie hulks, and so many more. XM makes me very happy because everything is the opposite of sideshow tatics. XM again please don't change a thing. You guys are the reason why this hobby is so exciting now. Great products, great ES, great service, great imagination like no others, great Qc a biggie here, and everything else you do. Keep it up and we keep buying!
This cap is really nice for people who missed the first or just wanted a update cap like myself. If it can work for me the one of the most picky ES guy around then you know you all done a great job! Let's see more painted pics soon on this. Curious to see what the switch outs will be. XM makes the switch outs fun that we actually use. Unlike sideshow almost all the ex parts now just stay in the box and never used again. Thanos is the best example of a super duper switch out parts. Venom as well.

rhy
10-03-2015, 02:50 PM
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/65/John_Walker_%28Earth-616%29.gif/revision/latest/thumbnail-down/width/340/height/340?cb=20051016092100
XM, any chance for a US Agent piece in the near future?

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 03:26 PM
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/65/John_Walker_%28Earth-616%29.gif/revision/latest/thumbnail-down/width/340/height/340?cb=20051016092100
XM, any chance for a US Agent piece in the near future?

U.S. Agetn wold be awesome.... Especially if they included a Captian switch of head.

Comicbookguy
10-03-2015, 03:29 PM
Didn't Liefeld draw and create this guy? If so his art style would be so cool.

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 03:44 PM
Didn't Liefeld draw and create this guy? If so his art style would be so cool.

No

AlizAbef
10-03-2015, 03:55 PM
XM has always said from the beginning that they'd never release variants of the pieces they make. They've always said that if they ever revisited a character (to include the ones with multiple color schemes) then it'd be a whole new sculpt, so I'm not sure why everyone is upset over this new revealed Cap. There's only one company out there who caters to the noob collector in mind and it's not XM Studios. Let's not forget that.

Remember Me?
10-03-2015, 05:10 PM
It is too soon to release another Captain America! I can understand if it's like 3 or 4 years later to release another version of him, but it has only been a little over a year. Anyway, it's a pass for me.

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 05:16 PM
It is too soon to release another Captain America! I can understand if it's like 3 or 4 years later to release another version of him, but it has only been a little over a year. Anyway, it's a pass for me.

Cap was up for PO long ago, and it took them almost a year to sell them. The first ones were coming in almost 2 years ago.

loricstone
10-03-2015, 06:43 PM
Most of which haven't shipped yet. So many characters they could do even within the CA universe.

The problem is you guys haven't even seen the amount of statues in the works that haven't even been shown yet. I voice as much as anyone about SS making tons of the same characters and not delving into the wealth of characters (cool characters at that) that Marvel owns. It's a valid point because after 10+ years, there are tons of characters they haven't even begun to touch that XM has already done.

But it's all good...cause the upcoming stuff people will see that have never been done before will quickly render this mute. I chuckle inside with what's to come. Like others have stated before...as long as a company is pumping out other characters along with a completely new statue (not a variant) of a said character that has already been released...what's the problem. One can only do so much at a time.

Kovenor
10-03-2015, 06:45 PM
It is too soon to release another Captain America! I can understand if it's like 3 or 4 years later to release another version of him, but it has only been a little over a year. Anyway, it's a pass for me.

Too soon for you maybe but you dont need to get it :) and they alrdy explained why they are doing it. This was planned a long time ago as an exclusive for the distributors that helped them sell the original when they werent all that popular. And i think many agree that this one is better then the first capt

loricstone
10-03-2015, 06:46 PM
I think we can safely say he meant to say they are "releasing" not "released". Still with all these different companies producing Spiderman and his rogues.... Pretty much a great time to be a Spidey fan.

On a more topical note I just caught a glimps or the OG XM Cap in the forum banner, and agai I have to say that as great as that one looked the obvious artistic growth visibl with the executuion of this one is killer.

Definitely a better headsculpt....rather a more realistic looking head sculpt and less comicish. The first head sculpt was fine as far as comic styles go...and I still to this day have no idea where people got the Asian looking head on that. :thinking:

loricstone
10-03-2015, 06:48 PM
Oh come on guys....they make a new 500 ES Cap and now they are SS with the retreads and variants...smh. XM has made and have characters in the works that SS hasn't touched or won't touch because they don't think they can sell 3000+.

Which is absolutely preposterous seeing how everything they practically make sells out.

Venomsaurus though over a Deathlok or Gorgon or Crystal? Never could understand that one.

supermetroid
10-03-2015, 07:18 PM
This is a tough one. It looks amazing but he's not a top character for me and I already have the SS Allied version which is nice as well. Might wait to see what the base looks like completely.

Spidey976
10-03-2015, 07:49 PM
Definitely a better headsculpt....rather a more realistic looking head sculpt and less comicish. The first head sculpt was fine as far as comic styles go...and I still to this day have no idea where people got the Asian looking head on that. :thinking:

Oh I never got the Asian thing either, and I do agree that the original Cap is a good comicbook Cap. In the end this new one is more up my ally and I am really looking forward to seeing it finished.

jfyahui
10-03-2015, 09:04 PM
http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92620&stc=1&d=1443920495
I have the original,and think he is great,
But this one looks fantastic also...so might have to double dip on this....:thumbs2:

jfyahui
10-03-2015, 09:13 PM
http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92621&stc=1&d=1443921159

jfyahui
10-03-2015, 09:17 PM
http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92622&stc=1&d=1443921248
The first cap deserves his dues,it was xm,s first product
And first time I was at the start of something,so for me
I have a more tender spot in my heart for caps then for magneto...(even though he is the big Grail)

Peedi
10-03-2015, 11:16 PM
The problem is you guys haven't even seen the amount of statues in the works that haven't even been shown yet. I voice as much as anyone about SS making tons of the same characters and not delving into the wealth of characters (cool characters at that) that Marvel owns. It's a valid point because after 10+ years, there are tons of characters they haven't even begun to touch that XM has already done.

But it's all good...cause the upcoming stuff people will see that have never been done before will quickly render this mute. I chuckle inside with what's to come. Like others have stated before...as long as a company is pumping out other characters along with a completely new statue (not a variant) of a said character that has already been released...what's the problem. One can only do so much at a time.

All good, but we've seen so many previews of stuff to come, and it's exciting...but I'd like to see printed sculpts for Black Panther, Vulture, Rhino, Namor, Green Goblin, Electro, Batman, Catwoman, Darkness, Luke Skywalker, etc before too many drawings and digital sculpts are previewed. I like the excitement of seeing something new but wow they're working on a lot right now and the development cycle is slowing up because of it.

Comicbookguy
10-03-2015, 11:40 PM
All good, but we've seen so many previews of stuff to come, and it's exciting...but I'd like to see printed sculpts for Black Panther, Vulture, Rhino, Namor, Green Goblin, Electro, Batman, Catwoman, Darkness, Luke Skywalker, etc before too many drawings and digital sculpts are previewed. I like the excitement of seeing something new but wow they're working on a lot right now and the development cycle is slowing up because of it.

I must agree never seen any company put out so many statue PO in just 2 months time. I hope slow down and get some statues in hand first. It's so many that I can't even keep up with how many PO Are coming out in such a couple of months. This would be like 2 to 3 years of releases for SS.

loricstone
10-04-2015, 01:58 AM
All good, but we've seen so many previews of stuff to come, and it's exciting...but I'd like to see printed sculpts for Black Panther, Vulture, Rhino, Namor, Green Goblin, Electro, Batman, Catwoman, Darkness, Luke Skywalker, etc before too many drawings and digital sculpts are previewed. I like the excitement of seeing something new but wow they're working on a lot right now and the development cycle is slowing up because of it.

Peedi...C'mon man (cue Sunday football commentary) development is probably going faster than they even expected. It's us the consumer that are asking XM to slow down...right? They just showed the completed Ghost Rider, and Punisher (now going to print), they had everything on PO up to and including Medusa at the STGCC show. What else were they going to show but new concepts / characters. Hell, they even had Elektra down at the show and she hasn't even gone up for PO yet....not to mention Doc Ock, Kraven and others.

There's only so many top tier sculptors and digital artists doing and ADs to create these statues...so I think the stuff they are showing in a relatively short time span is quite impressive. I don't know of any other company that is showing the amount of stuff XM is...and that to me is one of the reasons why they are so in the limelight....In Sight In Mind. If they had just now released Black Widow after 2 years...then I'd be in your same situation. But they have stuff to show (digital renders) they just announced several months ago. Pretty darn impressive I think.

Quite honestly, if XM puts out stuff faster, people would have a much harder time to afford these statues. Thanos is coming in the next 3 weeks followed closely by Ms. Marvel (before Christmas).

I know this is changing the subject quite drastically...but if anyone gets the Transformers G1 license I hope they pump out the concepts / artwork / digital renders as fast as XM. One thing I appreciate about XM is they don't lolligag...and if it's true they just renewed with Marvel (thank you Disney / Marvel if that's true), just think of what's coming next. I have a hunch we will start seeing Space faring characters (Asgardians, Kree, etc.) and some more baddies like Bullseye and others. I find it hard to believe XM does an Elektra and DD and not have Bullseye and Kingpin right around the bend.

Sorry, I will shut up now. All this XM goodness has me in a euphoric state. :thumbs2:

Peedi
10-05-2015, 08:36 AM
So all I'm saying is I'd like to see completed versions of stuff already previewed. And completed means painted. I never said anything about XM slowing down, my statement was development (per statue) is slowing down because of the amount of statues in development, all those statues I listed in my previous post that don't have painted prints yet. Development on 20-30 statues will take longer than development on 5 statues and this is where they're at now.

Side note, it's awesome they've gone that far in such a short time.

Spidey976
10-05-2015, 08:43 AM
So all I'm saying is I'd like to see completed versions of stuff already previewed. And completed means painted. I never said anything about XM slowing down, my statement was development (per statue) is slowing down because of the amount of statues in development, all those statues I listed in my previous post that don't have painted prints yet. Development on 20-30 statues will take longer than development on 5 statues and this is where they're at now.

Side note, it's awesome they've gone that far in such a short time.

They are definitely going to have to grow beyond their current 5-6 person core group if they have any hope of getting all of these out the door, and still maintain their QC. However, I got me some faith they can do it... lol

loricstone
10-05-2015, 09:29 AM
They are definitely going to have to grow beyond their current 5-6 person core group if they have any hope of getting all of these out the door, and still maintain their QC. However, I got me some faith they can do it... lol

More like 10 - 15.

Spidey976
10-05-2015, 10:09 AM
More like 10 - 15.

Is it up to 10-15 now? Last post I read from Bryan it was in the 5-6 range if I remember correctly.

loricstone
10-05-2015, 12:25 PM
Is it up to 10-15 now? Last post I read from Bryan it was in the 5-6 range if I remember correctly.

Well if you are referring to just Bryan and the Sengs and 1 other then yeah...but AFAIK...the core is the following.

3 Seng brothers
Bryan
Mufizal
HIVE (mulitple people...2 I think...don't quote me on that)
APE and DPE
Adam Ross
Martin A
Ioannis K
SH

Since XM has not updated their Creative Collaborations page on their website (Bryan could you please update that good sir?) lately, hard to tell.

But as far as I am concerned, a core group involves people that have and continue to collaborate with XM on multiple sculpts.

To me it's no less than the Gore Group, Pablo V., Will H., Mark N, are all part of the core of SS, even though they probably aren't at SS often like David Igo and others.

Spidey976
10-05-2015, 03:14 PM
Well if you are referring to just Bryan and the Sengs and 1 other then yeah...but AFAIK...the core is the following.

3 Seng brothers
Bryan
Mufizal
HIVE (mulitple people...2 I think...don't quote me on that)
APE and DPE
Adam Ross
Martin A
Ioannis K
SH

Since XM has not updated their Creative Collaborations page on their website (Bryan could you please update that good sir?) lately, hard to tell.

But as far as I am concerned, a core group involves people that have and continue to collaborate with XM on multiple sculpts.

To me it's no less than the Gore Group, Pablo V., Will H., Mark N, are all part of the core of SS, even though they probably aren't at SS often like David Igo and others.

Oh please understand... where I am coming from is a simple statement of JUST the guys in the office who are doing the final QC checks. As awesome as all of the sculptor and designers are and definitely worthy. The guys are in the office are the ones unpacking and then repacking EVERYTHING for that last check to my knowledge.

rhy
10-05-2015, 04:02 PM
http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=92622&stc=1&d=1443921248
The first cap deserves his dues,it was xm,s first product
And first time I was at the start of something,so for me
I have a more tender spot in my heart for caps then for magneto...(even though he is the big Grail)

:goodpost:
My first XM piece as well and one of the few statues out their that capture the essence of Cap

jfyahui
10-05-2015, 06:19 PM
Thanks rhy,that's how I feel as well,when I first saw that cap with the flag,I said that's captain America!love it!;)

Shoo
10-05-2015, 06:19 PM
There goes Cap for me. :|


In addition, specifically to THIS Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty piece, it's only exclusive to 1-2 local distributors in Singapore whom helped us start the business. These 2 are getting all the Capt pieces, no other distributors/countries or even XM will be selling these, hence reallocation/cuts does not apply for this statue.

I understand why they are doing it, but that's too bad - even though I'd given up on superhero statues, I fell in love with this Cap the minute I saw it —not even a big Cap fan— and knew it had to be mine. It would have acted as a gateway drug for me, too, since I don't have any XM pieces and was already eyeing up that Punisher. Not any more, though. Without that Cap, I really don't feel like being pulled back into this genre. XM stuff is already ultra expensive here in Europe as is, let alone going through all the übersecret hoops to get one from Singapore. :bawling:

Oh, well. Lots of money saved.

loricstone
10-05-2015, 07:28 PM
Oh please understand... where I am coming from is a simple statement of JUST the guys in the office who are doing the final QC checks. As awesome as all of the sculptor and designers are and definitely worthy. The guys are in the office are the ones unpacking and then repacking EVERYTHING for that last check to my knowledge.

Ok gotcha.

Spidey976
10-05-2015, 07:31 PM
On another note it looks like is might be my FIRST XM statue

w00tw00t
10-05-2015, 07:36 PM
On another note it looks like is might be my FIRST XM statue

same here. just have to find out what are the 2 distributors and figuring out how to get it to the US.

qz33
10-05-2015, 11:38 PM
This looks like a game changing sculpt but so was Phoenix.

Spidey976
10-06-2015, 06:03 AM
This looks like a game changing sculpt but so was Phoenix.

Not a girl though, and while that sounds weird any variations of the sculpt do to the molding and casting process won't be as noticeable on a male sculpt.

qz33
10-06-2015, 09:20 AM
Not a girl though, and while that sounds weird any variations of the sculpt do to the molding and casting process won't be as noticeable on a male sculpt.

I hadn't thought of that but it is understandable and believeable. Plus as guys we likely unconciously scrutinize female forms more than males.

Spidey976
10-07-2015, 08:30 AM
I hadn't thought of that but it is understandable and believeable. Plus as guys we likely unconciously scrutinize female forms more than males.

I could draw 10 varying portraits, all with different proportions, in about 10 minutes for a male and have them all considered to be handsome. I would take me that long if not longer to draw 1 attractive female portrait because even just a light variation outside of the "attractive" proportion ranges, which are very small for women, would push it to a more displeasing result, and that variation only needs to be a few degrees or percentages off. Even if the Phoenix nose or brow size changed by as little as 3% you wild notice the variation long befor you noticed it on a sculpt of a guy.

The Mule
10-14-2015, 07:08 AM
Pics are on Facebook, sculpted by Mufizal, apparently one COH + switch shield (round and kite). Base has some nice engraved details, like a figure reminiscent of the first XM Cap, lol.

Demona
10-14-2015, 07:20 AM
I just saw those posted up. If I loved Cap, this would be a must get. Look at this piece on the 4th of July and you might just get choked up.

Peedi
10-14-2015, 07:41 AM
from their Facebook:

XM 1/4scale Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty done!!!!
we have the mask , unmask and the 1940 classic version.
Thanks to the incredible Mufizal for the sculp... enjoy....
WAIT!!!! Where is the latest modern version.......mmmmmm...maybe....


...variant?

frenchyoutoo
10-14-2015, 07:47 AM
Crazy good!!!

davide87ita
10-14-2015, 08:08 AM
the pics from FB

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12144741_1604068349813858_943754070764083826_n.jpg?oh=c832deacadb866624a4e34d26391da41&oe=56D33DAE

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12112450_1604068369813856_5050837993569241594_n.jpg?oh=fc5bbceb687536c6d3b6b2fa60a12e41&oe=56C52557

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12106892_1604068389813854_4612506987715082530_n.jpg?oh=af923c890993cb9d472f59fe7ef92617&oe=5696157C

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12109285_1604068409813852_5591618975150274366_n.jpg?oh=bd6fc92a2813f1f5419ea7ade41a68e2&oe=56C4C88A

wanderlai
10-14-2015, 08:10 AM
I don't have a Cap....I'll be looking to get this one.

Thor57
10-14-2015, 08:12 AM
XM said this is going as a reward to the early group that supported them. I wonder who that is.

wanderlai
10-14-2015, 08:17 AM
XM said this is going as a reward to the early group that supported them. I wonder who that is.

I think I read that it's geared towards retailers that stocked their early statues. At a 500 ES...the hunt will be fierce for this one.

Demona
10-14-2015, 08:58 AM
We supported them early on :)

Spidey976
10-14-2015, 09:51 AM
I think I read that it's geared towards retailers that stocked their early statues. At a 500 ES...the hunt will be fierce for this one.

Yeah ... it is limited to the first two retailers who it took over a YEAR to sell all 500 of the first XM Captain America's. It is a thank you of sorts for supporting XM when they were first coming out. Yeah three different headsculpts... I am pretty sure that I am getting this one.

rhy
10-14-2015, 10:40 AM
Gorgeous texturing, so tempted.

Comicbookguy
10-14-2015, 12:00 PM
Is there another head a third not shown in these pics?

Spidey976
10-14-2015, 12:02 PM
Look carefully there is an unmasked, classic, and a World War II helmet from his first appearance

Comicbookguy
10-14-2015, 12:55 PM
Look carefully there is an unmasked, classic, and a World War II helmet from his first appearance

Ah I see the masked is the cut off bottom part. Cool thanks so there is really 3 COH. This is the best cap so far imo. Never liked the ss enough to spend on him. Didn't like the first XM enough either. This one is good enough for me. :D the base is the smallest XM base I've seen. But details is good.

SONICobra
10-14-2015, 03:42 PM
looks awesome, I wonder how theyre going to paint the base

akumakiller
10-14-2015, 03:51 PM
This is looking good

frenchyoutoo
10-14-2015, 04:42 PM
The only thing i see that needs tweeking are the boots and belt bags.
i can see one boot have just been modelled and mirrored and same with the bags. Dont like the copy and paste routine on models. Just mix up the creases on the boots abit XM and the crease and wear and tear on the belt bags and its done.

I noticed it from the first pics posted and thought they would have reworked it.

XMAN
10-14-2015, 07:58 PM
On another note it looks like is might be my FIRST XM statue

Good choice.:thumbs2:

Khufu
10-18-2015, 07:33 PM
I was looking at this again this morning with the base, and I thought to myself.... This would be a perfect statue to get the bronze treatment. I know its not XM's thing, but this really would be an ideal pose and character for a true bronze product. It would cost an arm and a leg for people in non-licensed areas, but it would be oh sol cool. In my opinion at least....

jcasalone
10-23-2015, 11:59 AM
My god, this is gorgeous. If only there was a easy way for me to buy this haha.

Enomis
12-08-2015, 12:24 PM
Any news about the pre-order date ?

Comicbookguy
12-08-2015, 12:45 PM
I want to see this painted before PO.

candyrocket786
12-08-2015, 12:51 PM
I want to see this painted before PO.

Whatever man.

This piece would sell out based on the current pics alone.

azurepred
12-08-2015, 01:02 PM
so many statues that came before this haven't even gone up for PO. They need to get those done. Too many previews as it is.

MrJones
12-09-2015, 12:43 PM
I don't own a single Cap and if this was easier to get I would be taking a close hard look at it. But having a benchmark now of how much an XM piece will cost when all is said and done... they might be a once a year kind of thing. But this looks glorious.

FastballSpecial
01-08-2016, 07:38 PM
Man I need this

Tetragrammaton
01-08-2016, 08:00 PM
Would have expected the Sentinel of Liberty to have a sharper salute.

jedi_don
01-08-2016, 08:33 PM
Too bad the salute is wrong for an American solider. The palm and thumb should not be visible from the front. He is saluting more like a Brit.

FastballSpecial
01-08-2016, 09:24 PM
Would have expected the Sentinel of Liberty to have a sharper salute.

Too bad the salute is wrong for an American solider. The palm and thumb should not be visible from the front. He is saluting more like a Brit.

I've been in the military for over 11 years, trust me I've seen some lazy salutes. Either way it's a piece I really good to get :D

AC_808
01-09-2016, 07:59 AM
Oh I see what you guys are talking about now. You're right, the thumb is hanging on the saluting hand. The thumb should be level and tight against the index finger. Had to look at the pic again to see that. Good eye.

lucifixion
01-11-2016, 10:16 AM
I saw it as being mid-salute. His fingers would need to reach his brow and his hand made more rigid as they did. If this is supposed to represent his arm and hand in final salute position, then that's all wrong too. His shoulder should be higher and his index finger should be against his brow.

crazytoynut
01-11-2016, 09:14 PM
So which are the distributors getting this privilege stocks again?

Simply toys?

jfyahui
01-11-2016, 09:29 PM
So which are the distributors getting this privilege stocks again?

Simply toys?
Simply toys the whole lot!

FastballSpecial
01-12-2016, 12:08 AM
Anyone else trying to figure out how to get this ? This will be the centerpiece in my Cap display (IF I can get one) :D

wanderlai
01-12-2016, 06:14 PM
There haven't been any concrete details on availability yet. It's going to be limited to 500 and will be retail exclusive. How they'll determine which retailers get what amount will be based on a sliding scale of early XM product sold I guess.

FastballSpecial
01-12-2016, 09:38 PM
There haven't been any concrete details on availability yet. It's going to be limited to 500 and will be retail exclusive. How they'll determine which retailers get what amount will be based on a sliding scale of early XM product sold I guess.

Yea I'm hoping it's a retailer I can order from :D

TethMau74
01-22-2016, 11:29 AM
"Xm 1/4 scale Captain America (Sentinel of liberty)...enjoy.....
Thanks to the Great mufizal for the Power sculp!!!"

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12512603_1635028416717851_3648626016291524137_n.jpg?oh=ec8a775a0a64e426d5bdb5f3d538d0f2&oe=57410A9E

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12495201_1635028613384498_5728393023215635294_n.jpg?oh=04617f9a65bb7125927e6a2b2470e5c6&oe=5737B18E

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12573814_1635028636717829_7751278465519302652_n.jpg?oh=5e7710ffe896e925b1dac2865f202e8c&oe=573B5E8F

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12540564_1635028653384494_5846063569550732855_n.jpg?oh=68b3401338848862483f6a9f450a58cb&oe=572FEBDB

MrJones
01-22-2016, 12:20 PM
I mentioned it on their FB page too but IMO... this is THE Capt America to own. I think the simplistic design and museum pose makes it a true statue and a representation of his "clean cut" ways.

wanderlai
01-22-2016, 12:59 PM
I'll be trying to get one.

built2shred
01-22-2016, 01:05 PM
I got one locked in but it wasn't easy. From what I hear they're pretty much already pre-pre-sold out and the stores that don't do pre-pre-orderings usually have preferred membership where members can order early, so I don't expect many for sale come pre-order day.

ftrez
01-22-2016, 01:15 PM
I got one locked in but it wasn't easy. From what I hear they're pretty much already pre-pre-sold out and the stores that don't do pre-pre-orderings usually have preferred membership where members can order early, so I don't expect many for sale come pre-order day.

Well, that saves me a few bucks.

frenchyoutoo
01-22-2016, 06:54 PM
Really wanna hit this up.
can someone hit me up with a PM for help to preorder this?????

nearmint
01-24-2016, 12:14 AM
I'm in the same boat, but have no connections for XM pieces. I'd happily prepay the full amount.

Thor57
01-24-2016, 12:19 AM
There is no real connection for this piece. It was a loyalty reward to Simply Toys for starting with and supporting XM. I imagine they are long sold out, and getting one from someone who ordered will be pricey I imagine.

nearmint
01-24-2016, 01:36 AM
Sounds like waiting to be gouged on eBay is the only option.

AC_808
01-24-2016, 02:37 PM
There is no real connection for this piece. It was a loyalty reward to Simply Toys for starting with and supporting XM. I imagine they are long sold out, and getting one from someone who ordered will be pricey I imagine.

Do we know for sure it's Simply Toys that has the exclusivity?

Just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

FastballSpecial
01-24-2016, 03:44 PM
Man I'm dying to get this piece.

loricstone
01-24-2016, 03:45 PM
There is no real connection for this piece. It was a loyalty reward to Simply Toys for starting with and supporting XM. I imagine they are long sold out, and getting one from someone who ordered will be pricey I imagine.

As much as I would enjoy obtaining this...it is not worth the effort to try and acquire it. This unfortunately for me will be a pass....just because it will be so hard to get it.

Can't have everything though. I passed on Elektra, IM MK 7 as well.

Smbdyfnkillme
01-24-2016, 05:42 PM
As much as I would enjoy obtaining this...it is not worth the effort to try and acquire it. This unfortunately for me will be a pass....just because it will be so hard to get it.

Can't have everything though. I passed on Elektra, IM MK 7 as well.

Same here. I wanted it, but I already have too much stuff coming. Getting IM 7, but had to pass on Kraven. Besides, there will always be a few new Captains every year. He's too popular.

Thor57
01-24-2016, 05:45 PM
I've passed on plenty. I still enjoy pieces from SS and PCS, let alone Iron Studios, IA and private commissions. So I can't and won't get every single piece XM releases. Hell, there are some I simply dislike.

Comicbookguy
01-24-2016, 06:23 PM
I've passed on plenty. I still enjoy pieces from SS and PCS, let alone Iron Studios, IA and private commissions. So I can't and won't get every single piece XM releases. Hell, there are some I simply dislike.

For example which ones from xm? Mine is mostly some portriat issues on a few females like Elektra, phoneix, and witchblade I must see more. BW so so-so, Ms marvel could be better but hope they improve on all female portraits in the future. THis is a big issue that needs much work. It's one of the few things that SS is way on top is the female portraits. The unpainted protos looks so nice. But once it's in production they need more work for sure.

built2shred
01-24-2016, 09:10 PM
As much as I would enjoy obtaining this...it is not worth the effort to try and acquire it. This unfortunately for me will be a pass....just because it will be so hard to get it.

Can't have everything though. I passed on Elektra, IM MK 7 as well.

Don't worry I'll take pictures for you guys :p

FastballSpecial
01-24-2016, 09:31 PM
Don't worry I'll take pictures for you guys :p

:goodpost: I hate you :D lol but seriously man I can't wait to see in hand photos of this. Going to try everything I can to snag one.

Thor57
01-24-2016, 11:12 PM
Do we know for sure it's Simply Toys that has the exclusivity?

Just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

When I asked my go to Singapore contact about it, they said Simply Toys. So, if he's not mistaken, then it's them.

built2shred
01-24-2016, 11:26 PM
From my understanding it was all the stores that help XM out at the beginning (basically most of the official XM stores) that will be getting them... I imagine Simple Toys will get the most but other shops should have them also.

davide87ita
03-15-2016, 05:08 AM
"XM 1/4 scale Captain America printed" from XM fb

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/1255_1654492241438135_6810480511688006393_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=872748638d96859c1958fb2f1b7cc9f2&oe=57928D8C

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/10157390_1654492258104800_6636522235205465897_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=7715296cbb7dae05556a6cd9878b221e&oe=5758EEBA

wanderlai
03-15-2016, 08:26 AM
Want

Outlaw44
03-15-2016, 09:23 AM
This looks really good. I'm going to attempt to get it but if I don't, not too fussed - something about the legs make it look a bit chunky (probably just the style of the boots) and the design of the base almost makes this a stand alone piece. It's hard to see it blending well in a collection. I wonder how it will be painted

DeadGhostKnight
03-15-2016, 09:25 AM
It's like a big Bowen! Looks great!

MrJones
03-15-2016, 10:48 AM
Really wish I was getting this one. Oh well, I'll just get it on the aftermarket.

lol j/k amirite?

Spidey976
03-15-2016, 11:47 AM
WOuld love to see the modern masked head on it

omarfallaha
03-15-2016, 12:01 PM
the boots look pretty bad.. they look so chunky.. like he's over filled the boots cause he got a size too small lol wish you guys stuck with the original and just added more texture to it. Either way will be getting it cause it's badass!! Also please make both portraits have the external wings instead of ones attached to the helmet.. It adds a more "comic" feel

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12106892_1604068389813854_4612506987715082530_n.jpg?oh=6752d5ce3fd39a7dffaf53395e3ff3bb&oe=575BD67C

Demona
03-15-2016, 04:28 PM
People might hate the boots on Cap and think he legs are "chunky" but to me, that's what a strong, built man looks like. He's going to have legs that are thick and toned because he runs and kicks ass :D

I can't wait to see this painted because it's going to be majestic. Clean, crisp red/white/blue probably with hints of gold.....can. not. wait.

d rod
03-15-2016, 04:33 PM
Majestic is right. I think this piece is perfect. They even avoided the "straight stiff salute" look which is nice for a change.

MrJones
03-15-2016, 05:04 PM
I think he's pretty much perfect as well. Really would love this to be my first Capt statue somehow...

AC_808
03-16-2016, 01:55 AM
"XM 1/4 scale Captain America printed" from XM fb

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/1255_1654492241438135_6810480511688006393_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=872748638d96859c1958fb2f1b7cc9f2&oe=57928D8C

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/10157390_1654492258104800_6636522235205465897_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=7715296cbb7dae05556a6cd9878b221e&oe=5758EEBA



https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12106892_1604068389813854_4612506987715082530_n.jpg?oh=6752d5ce3fd39a7dffaf53395e3ff3bb&oe=575BD67C

Just wanted to see a before and after pics.

...I like it!

SONICobra
03-16-2016, 01:58 AM
I prefer the original boots however they still seem a little large around the foot area - like hes wearing boots over shoes

AC_808
03-16-2016, 02:03 AM
I agree. The ankles could be a tad thinner. However, it doesn't bother too much.

frenchyoutoo
03-16-2016, 02:55 AM
Wish the wings stuck out a tad bit like on the first rendered (golden) pics for the new age head. Right now theyre abit too squashed up to the sides of the head. The first rendered picks with that head was better.

noticed they changed the base from eagle sides to shield emblems. Also the top of the base is more symplistic.

Really hope i can secure one of dese!

equi-nox76
03-16-2016, 05:10 AM
The new boots look much better.

darth
03-16-2016, 02:35 PM
don't like the laces on the boots.....

MrJones
03-16-2016, 04:09 PM
Lace up

rhy
03-16-2016, 04:21 PM
This piece seems like a hyper realistic interpretation of Marvel's ultimate Cap. Complete the overall look and keep the lace up boots.

frenchyoutoo
03-17-2016, 02:28 AM
Is it me or have they pulled this from their FB? Im looking and looking and cant see it anymore... i wonder why?

misfit138
04-03-2016, 05:09 PM
They really need to fix that right hand. If I had given a salute like that, I'd have had my hand broken.

madmanny
04-03-2016, 08:46 PM
I would like to see the person trying to break Caps hand, he can salute how he wants.

AC_808
04-04-2016, 01:49 AM
Is it me or have they pulled this from their FB? Im looking and looking and cant see it anymore... i wonder why?

Huh ...didn't notice that.

rhy
04-04-2016, 12:22 PM
They really need to fix that right hand. If I had given a salute like that, I'd have had my hand broken.
Agreed, the salute is a gesture of respect, there really is no downside to having Cap's hand sculpted in the proper military manner. Anything less may open the floodgates for failure

FastballSpecial
05-13-2016, 01:08 PM
Let's see this one painted already!

frenchyoutoo
05-13-2016, 08:27 PM
Let's see this one painted already!

Totally. Come in XM whats the update on this?

GrumpyBear
07-09-2016, 12:05 PM
"Painting this guy now...." XM Studios Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/xmstudios/?fref=ts)

https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13654317_1706249192929106_6907155315814702004_n.jpg?oh=c0ffb2111116f0555d4c5d2207ec2afe&oe=57F7E231
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13606685_1706249212929104_787447730503029796_n.jpg?oh=8b621a3de07605561ee20847b0f71a60&oe=58319B67

AlizAbef
07-09-2016, 12:38 PM
Teasing collectors who are unable to get this at all...not cool. But the teasers are great. I wish I could have this one. The only piece I own from XM is Magneto, and if I could own a second one, this would be the one. Looking forward to a full set of pictures.

Comicbookguy
07-09-2016, 01:18 PM
Been so long I forgot about this one....

AC_808
07-09-2016, 01:19 PM
Yup, wanna see more pics as well. This is shaping up to be a good one.

Demona
07-09-2016, 05:55 PM
Off the chain!! Perfect Cap! I can not wait to see this finished.

Demona
07-09-2016, 05:57 PM
Teasing collectors who are unable to get this at all...not cool. But the teasers are great. I wish I could have this one. The only piece I own from XM is Magneto, and if I could own a second one, this would be the one. Looking forward to a full set of pictures.

Welllll......technically.....they tease all of all the time as we are not in their licensed buying area ;)

So we can get this the same way we get everything else :)

Restinpieces
07-09-2016, 07:14 PM
Welllll......technically.....they tease all of all the time as we are not in their licensed buying area ;)

So we can get this the same way we get everything else :)

I like it, it gives a green light to whiners 24/7. Good thinking!

XMAN
07-09-2016, 09:57 PM
Off the chain!! Perfect Cap! I can not wait to see this finished.
A real kick in the head .....being unable to capture one of these
:banghead:

frenchyoutoo
07-10-2016, 12:08 AM
I think i would like the shield to look more Vibranium than just a matte painted look. Its captain americas freakin shield. This thing is and should be epic!

Needs that Magneto helmet touch of attention. I dont know what but at the moment the paint app just makes it look like a painted shield. Not saying it need to look shiney or glossy... i dont know... just needs to look like its legit valuable, strong Metal Vibranium like

FJC
07-10-2016, 01:02 PM
I'm just not a fan of all the liberties taken with his costume so I'm still waiting on a classic 1/4 Cap for my collection.

FJC
07-10-2016, 01:05 PM
Teasing collectors who are unable to get this at all...not cool. But the teasers are great. I wish I could have this one. The only piece I own from XM is Magneto, and if I could own a second one, this would be the one. Looking forward to a full set of pictures.

I own Mags as well as Thanos. For me personally, if I could own a 3rd XM piece, my choice would be Ghost Rider. I hope you can find a way to add this Cap to your collection since you obviously like it so much. Good luck.

Comicbookguy
07-10-2016, 02:13 PM
I own Mags as well as Thanos. For me personally, if I could own a 3rd XM piece, my choice would be Ghost Rider. I hope you can find a way to add this Cap to your collection since you obviously like it so much. Good luck.

Good choices don't forget to add medusa to the list! ;) was suprise the face sculpt was pleasantly very nice. Size, sculpt was overall very good.

MrJones
07-11-2016, 11:15 AM
This one is shaping up to be a definitive Cap statue. Hope to see more museum poses from XM. It's a shame that I don't even think I'll see this in person in my life.

FastballSpecial
07-12-2016, 10:02 AM
This one is shaping up to be a definitive Cap statue. Hope to see more museum poses from XM. It's a shame that I don't even think I'll see this in person in my life.

My thoughts exactly. This is the perfect blend of museum stance and 1/4 size. I would love to see more of these.

Here is hoping I can track one down! :buttrock:

wanderlai
07-12-2016, 10:57 PM
Just received an interest email for this Cap from ST. It'll be 890 sgd up front for the po. Max 2 per person.

dino76m
07-12-2016, 11:09 PM
me too, , got the same for Boba Fett as well, but after my experience with Ms Marvel , im staying away from XM products,

Cali604
07-13-2016, 01:05 AM
me too, , got the same for Boba Fett as well, but after my experience with Ms Marvel , im staying away from XM products,

lol, yet you arent really staying away are you?

frenchyoutoo
07-13-2016, 02:33 AM
Is there a po date yet?

loricstone
07-13-2016, 02:45 AM
lol, yet you arent really staying away are you?

I'm just sad that he pulls out because of something that clearly happened in transit or with the supplier he got it from. Still, I can't fault dino for not continuing...it clearly is a big risk...and if something happens during transit...he and others of us are SOL...unless you can work out something with whomever helped you get an XM statue.

dino76m
07-13-2016, 04:46 AM
I'm just sad that he pulls out because of something that clearly happened in transit or with the supplier he got it from. Still, I can't fault dino for not continuing...it clearly is a big risk...and if something happens during transit...he and others of us are SOL...unless you can work out something with whomever helped you get an XM statue.

Its not just XM now, i have lost Simply Toys trust as well,, just dont think this is the right thread to elaborate,, i dont want to deal with them anymore as well,,
most of you might know Sideshow doesnt ship HT and Prime 1 to Asian countries ,, so ST was the retailer I was hoping to do business with,,but after the 2 XM pre orders cancellations , I ended up losing a lot of change on order transfers by ST

MuppetMad
07-13-2016, 11:30 AM
Im very disappointed this one is Simply Toys exclusive. They dont have a great reputation and their business practices can be extremely questionable. this really should have stayed just a xm in house operation.

dino76m
07-13-2016, 11:49 AM
Im very disappointed this one is Simply Toys exclusive. They dont have a great reputation and their business practices can be extremely questionable. this really should have stayed just a xm in house operation.

not surprised im not the only one to feel that way,, in another situation I might have helped someone else get the statues i didnt want, but i dont want to deal with them again once my current and last order ships,, hopefully..

lucifixion
07-13-2016, 02:07 PM
I have not had good experiences with Simply Toys, but I must have this one. Cap is my fave.

FastballSpecial
07-13-2016, 02:41 PM
This is a must have for me as well. It will probably be the most difficult statue for me to find but I think it will be worth it. Perfect pose IMO and I know XM will nail the paint apps.

Comicbookguy
07-13-2016, 02:42 PM
Pay in full only for this?

crazyconsumer
07-13-2016, 06:05 PM
Curious how ST offended you guys, was it the export /license restriction thingy? :itsb:


I have not had good experiences with Simply Toys, but I must have this one. Cap is my fave.

Its not just XM now, i have lost Simply Toys trust as well,, just dont think this is the right thread to elaborate,, i dont want to deal with them anymore as well,,
most of you might know Sideshow doesnt ship HT and Prime 1 to Asian countries ,, so ST was the retailer I was hoping to do business with,,but after the 2 XM pre orders cancellations , I ended up losing a lot of change on order transfers by ST

Im very disappointed this one is Simply Toys exclusive. They dont have a great reputation and their business practices can be extremely questionable. this really should have stayed just a xm in house operation.

lucifixion
07-13-2016, 06:39 PM
Not me. It was the no communication and not wanting to refund my money thing.

MuppetMad
07-13-2016, 07:27 PM
Curious how ST offended you guys, was it the export /license restriction thingy? :itsb:

There is quite a long list of things for me. Their slow and bad customer service, selective preferences for people to order, their obscene marked up prices on older statues, the list goes on.

The thing that broke the camels back for me was when the last preorder for Ryu 1/3 went up on their site. They listed it for a certain price before the PCS official order went up. As soon as PCS sold out on their site, they had the balls to jack up their PO price and added an extra $600 sgd to it!! I expect people in the aftermarket to do that, not an offical store. This was a PO, not a released piece. when I asked them why they did that, their response was "The price was about $350 cheaper is because it was within the pre-order period." I questioned what in the world that even actually meant and they answered again "This decision is made by our management and we have no information with regards to it." No way will I ever do business with them again. They act like they are an aftermarket ebay company when they are not.

khrisc
07-13-2016, 07:33 PM
When is this going up anyway?

frenchyoutoo
07-13-2016, 07:50 PM
Blurry pic posted on FB XM community group

https://scontent-syd1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13709925_10153842697295369_2940046149429063484_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=402c7c72c6ecce6e25ba1164251829e4&oe=583451B9

Askani81
07-13-2016, 08:44 PM
Not quite comfortable with the need to make full payment when it is up for PO. Having it as an option is one thing but stating it as a requirement to secure the statue is another thing.

immortalblade
07-13-2016, 09:27 PM
Its not just XM now, i have lost Simply Toys trust as well,, just dont think this is the right thread to elaborate,, i dont want to deal with them anymore as well,,
most of you might know Sideshow doesnt ship HT and Prime 1 to Asian countries ,, so ST was the retailer I was hoping to do business with,,but after the 2 XM pre orders cancellations , I ended up losing a lot of change on order transfers by ST

Are you not in the U.S. so you can't order directly from Sideshow?

KELPIE
07-13-2016, 09:44 PM
So I've only just realised that isn't a 23 page thread dedicated to those people who own the original XM Cap statue and that it is actually for a new statue :confused2

FastballSpecial
07-13-2016, 09:50 PM
So I've only just realised that isn't a 23 page thread dedicated to those people who own the original XM Cap statue and that it is actually for a new statue :confused2

:hilarious: awesome! I would love the original but definitly have my sights on this one. MUST HAVE for me.

Comicbookguy
07-13-2016, 10:07 PM
So can we at least see the full statue before po? Any full pics before a official po? What's the Es on this or is there one set?

FastballSpecial
07-13-2016, 10:42 PM
So can we at least see the full statue before po? Any full pics before a official po? What's the Es on this or is there one set?

XM will rarely if ever have a full reveal before PO. Also last they said ES would be 500-600 max. That may have changed but this is probably going to be a low one.

dino76m
07-13-2016, 10:57 PM
Curious how ST offended you guys, was it the export /license restriction thingy? :itsb:

would like to elaborate more, not now ,,,,maybe later

loricstone
07-13-2016, 11:44 PM
So can we at least see the full statue before po? Any full pics before a official po? What's the Es on this or is there one set?

You'll see it very, very soon! Trust me on this.:thumbs2:

dino76m
07-15-2016, 12:29 AM
just got a mail to order this from Simply toys,, would have been a easy chance to make a couple of hundred bucks by flipping ,lol,, as per the link we can order 2 per person

NEMISIS PRIME
07-15-2016, 01:11 AM
just got a mail to order this from Simply toys,, would have been a easy chance to make a couple of hundred bucks by flipping ,lol,, as per the link we can order 2 per person

Yeah I tried to order with a Singapore address I acquired but it had to match my credit card address guess I'm assed out being in in the states

dino76m
07-15-2016, 01:27 AM
Yeah I tried to order with a Singapore address I acquired but it had to match my credit card address guess I'm assed out being in in the states

cant u pay wit paypal

NEMISIS PRIME
07-15-2016, 01:42 AM
cant u pay wit paypal

Shipping still must match delivery address

wanderlai
07-15-2016, 07:22 AM
This statue po was handled poorly. I know it was to be a retail only exclusive for ST. What doesn't make sense is there are no details on the actual statue. No size, delivery target date, ES, it's not shown with the finished paint app, and ST wanted pay in full for some reason.

NEMISIS PRIME
07-15-2016, 07:34 AM
This statue po was handled poorly. I know it was to be a retail only exclusive for ST. What doesn't make sense is there are no details on the actual statue. No size, delivery target date, ES, it's not shown with the finished paint app, and ST wanted pay in full for some reason.

And now sold out ....nuts that there are no more lisenced 1/4 Comic Caps in existence besides sideshow original Cap for a million bucks from many years ago and xm studios

FROBAY
07-15-2016, 07:51 AM
Shipping still must match delivery address

I had no problems. Shouldn't matter thru PayPal.

frenchyoutoo
07-15-2016, 08:17 AM
What its sold out already? Expected but man with no info on product?

dino76m
07-15-2016, 08:25 AM
a couple of them are already on sale on facebook groups , highest asking rate 1500$,lol

FastballSpecial
07-15-2016, 08:43 AM
a couple of them are already on sale on facebook groups , highest asking rate 1500$,lol

It will go higher once it starts shipping and we see photos.

GrumpyBear
07-15-2016, 08:51 AM
$1500 is not an lol. ;)

It´s an ST EX, extreme hard to get, then ES500, two shields and 3 heads. It´s the most complete Captain America you can have.

dino76m
07-15-2016, 08:57 AM
^^lol

wanderlai
07-15-2016, 09:12 AM
It'll come with a big markup for sure. Out of a 500 ES you'll see about half of them for sale on FB or eBay. It did allow buying two, one to keep, and one to flip to pay for both :p

candyrocket786
07-15-2016, 09:30 AM
Didn't even know this was going up. Oh well, there's already too much crap on the market, alot of crap in development, a ton of crap announced by various license holders and even more crap is going to be shown at SDCC.

But at 500es and STex, you might as well grab a hold of your ankles and come up with some kind of safe word.

FastballSpecial
07-15-2016, 09:33 AM
$1500 is not an lol. ;)

It´s an ST EX, extreme hard to get, then ES500, two shields and 3 heads. It´s the most complete Captain America you can have.

:goodpost:

lucifixion
07-15-2016, 10:05 AM
And that $1500 included shipping, so it wasn't that ridiculous.

FROBAY
07-15-2016, 10:07 AM
Didn't even know this was going up. Oh well, there's already too much crap on the market, alot of crap in development, a ton of crap announced by various license holders and even more crap is going to be shown at SDCC.

But at 500es and STex, you might as well grab a hold of your ankles and come up with some kind of safe word.

:hilarious:

loricstone
07-15-2016, 12:07 PM
a couple of them are already on sale on facebook groups , highest asking rate 1500$,lol

All people have to do is be patient. I think it will come down in price.

However, since this is another Cap exclusive and demand is very high for this...it is a possibility this will stay a highly sought after collectible.

It's definitely phenomenal. The finished statue in its entirety is quite impressive!

If I was others...I'd be more inclined to try and get Venom than Cap. At least Venom should be a tad easier to try and get...and :jawd: is it worth it! Sheesh! Spidey is going to have a great line up of rogues...the best in Comics IMO.

NEMISIS PRIME
07-15-2016, 12:55 PM
I had no problems. Shouldn't matter thru PayPal.

Guess I should have tried :bawling:

FastballSpecial
07-15-2016, 01:14 PM
For me this combines the 1/4 scale and perfect museum pose that I liked so much about Bowen statues.

Add the insane details XM is known for and tons of switch outs and this will be THE Captain America to own.

AC_808
07-15-2016, 08:01 PM
Congrats to those who ordered this piece!

I really did like this XM Cap ...the pose, details & switch outs ...and I had every intention to order it. Just like how I've ordered and have several XM statues already.

However, when it came down to it, I had to decide against getting this ...and decided to wait for another 1/4 Classic Cap. I wasn't ok with a few things on this piece, so that was that.

I gotta tell ya, tho ...it was hard to turn this down. I really need me a 1/4 Classic Cap. I'll definitely be looking out for in-hand pics on this guy from you guys!

Khufu
07-15-2016, 08:31 PM
I really wanted this when it was first announced and contacted my friend/contact to see if he might be able to get it someway/somehow. With it being exclusive, it was pretty much 99% no chance, but it looks like he's going to be able to hook me up.

~$1035 USD (at current exchange rate) + shipping which I can't imagine will be too bad considering its museum w/a small base - probably $185-ish USD I'm hoping. Figure I'd never see it cheaper than that.