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davide87ita
05-03-2016, 12:04 PM
"Xm 1/4scale Scorpion from hive...." xm fb

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13151680_1677530069134352_2391365373215929269_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=06ee589c61cf0b42b322b9d18cea3a7a&oe=57BA2A5E

Cali604
05-03-2016, 12:15 PM
Scorpion looks wicked!

majestic1
05-03-2016, 12:45 PM
That looks great, just waiting on Hobgoblin now.

SONICobra
05-03-2016, 12:53 PM
that looks pretty rad

nexus
05-03-2016, 12:55 PM
Looks nice just not sure if I'm going to get the XM Spidey lineup. I am still trying to decide if I want to sell the Sideshow Venom and Carnage. Right now I'm 50/50 on it.

lewisnfro86
05-03-2016, 01:09 PM
Will likely get unless SS comes out with one. This is the year of Spidey villains

ambasah
05-03-2016, 01:50 PM
looks hot, but not a character I am into.

adee
05-03-2016, 01:53 PM
Looks awesome and I'm into the character fine

...unfortunately I just can't be a thousand dollars into him :laugh:

AC_808
05-03-2016, 02:02 PM
Love the concept!

And I hope we get 2 portraits for this piece ...one looking down like what's in the concept and another looking straight at eye level. That way he doesn't have be displayed from above all the time.

yipkusing
05-03-2016, 06:29 PM
Why is XM so good with the side characters

KELPIE
05-03-2016, 07:02 PM
Does he only have 3 fingers?

loricstone
05-03-2016, 08:50 PM
In this rendition he does. Who am I to argue when HIVE works on Marvel comics. Way I see it...if they want him to have three fingers and funky looking feet...then by all means.:laugh:

Peedi
05-04-2016, 02:54 AM
Ultimate Comics Scorpion, 3 fingers. And I only really followed Ultimate Spidey once Miles took over so if memory serves correct this version is a Parker clone, correct me if I'm wrong.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/ef/Scorpion-(Earth-1610).png/revision/latest?cb=20100216031840

"Regular" 616 Scorpion. Normal man in a super suit. 5 fingers.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/f/f9/Scorpion.gif/revision/latest?cb=20101204182636


I guess this is some hybrid inspiration version. I LOVE the Spidey characters, but 1, price, so I'll only have a few of these anyway. 2, I love them because I read the comics and I know these characters very well so while I often appreciate XM's spin on the various characters, this is one where some of the artistic choices don't appeal to me as much. The tail with big sections instead of the smaller mechanical coils Scorpion usually has, the mask thing, the fingers...if those elements were different I'd dig this more.

Peedi
05-04-2016, 02:58 AM
I do like the basic costume design Hive has with this statue though aside from the head.

Also this is an alternate reality Scorpion but I really dig this design. Would've been cool to have something similar to but not exactly this. With a more normal Mac Gargantuan head and switch out arms for slightly more classic look.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/39/MacDonald_Gargan_(Earth-616)_from_Spider-Man_2099_Vol_2_3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140928232717

Khufu
05-04-2016, 07:43 AM
I would have preferred the OG version, but I'm making my own (omg what am I doing XM $inster $ix). I do love the look of the statue though anyway. I don't prefer the Sinister Six traditional line up so I'm going with:

Kraven, Mysterio, Sandman, Lizard, Scorpion and...

Now, they just need to do Shocker and I'm set. I have Vulture and Electro reserved, but I plan to move those as those characters just don't resonate with me like the above.

Synzaic
05-04-2016, 01:16 PM
Really think they should make it closer to the original......

Stinger is a little big also

supermetroid
05-04-2016, 01:34 PM
Yeah, I like the original better too. I was hoping they'd stick closer to the 2nd pic Peedi posted.

GrumpyBear
06-14-2016, 04:36 AM
"Some wips on XM Scorpion head sculp ..... pls comments for improvement...."

XM Studios Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/xmstudios/?fref=ts)

https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13435488_1695802013973824_6528335443857567309_n.jpg?oh=ce80bd9e0252993a43dffe0b5c1836a8&oe=5806199D
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13417613_1695802027307156_2844880671754220778_n.jpg?oh=7dd1b2b16c009e3134bb0b066b22d0d3&oe=57FB23B0

yipkusing
06-14-2016, 06:45 AM
Modern and classic. I quite like

AC_808
06-14-2016, 08:06 AM
Both portrait seem to be on the opposite extreme of classic and modern. I'm curious to see how XM will sculpt the body to match both portraits.

Make the body sculpt too modern and the classic portrait won't match. And vice versa ...make the body sculpt too classic and the modern portrait won't match.

Demona
06-14-2016, 08:23 AM
I was thinking the same thing AC.

While I think both designs are pretty boss, making a body to match will be difficult. However, I'm sure XM has a plan.

Maybe they mean to comment on if we want original or modern?

SideShowJoe
06-14-2016, 10:06 AM
Wow amazing !! Can't believe how great this thing looks...

GET OVER HERE!!!

Sarah

MrJones
06-14-2016, 10:44 AM
Wow amazing !! Can't believe how great this thing looks...

GET OVER HERE!!!

Sarah

I see what you did there... not the same Scorpion though that 2nd portrait does look like the MK one doesn't it?

SONICobra
06-14-2016, 10:49 AM
classic ftw

generalzodlives
06-14-2016, 10:52 AM
How in the world does that mask cover his lips?

lucifixion
06-14-2016, 10:56 AM
Both portrait seem to be on the opposite extreme of classic and modern. I'm curious to see how XM will sculpt the body to match both portraits.

Make the body sculpt too modern and the classic portrait won't match. And vice versa ...make the body sculpt too classic and the modern portrait won't match.

Looking at the modern, you can see the same style suit underneath. Maybe pieces of armor for the body that attach with magnets?

loricstone
06-14-2016, 11:13 AM
Interesting supposition lucifixion. I totally forgot about Scorpion. Now I'm curious as to what else am I forgetting about?

adee
06-14-2016, 11:20 AM
I really like that classic portrait. Looks great!

AC_808
06-14-2016, 06:33 PM
I was thinking the same thing AC.

While I think both designs are pretty boss, making a body to match will be difficult. However, I'm sure XM has a plan.

Maybe they mean to comment on if we want original or modern?

I'm thinking XM has a plan, too. Very curious to know what that is, tho.

AC_808
06-14-2016, 06:38 PM
Looking at the modern, you can see the same style suit underneath. Maybe pieces of armor for the body that attach with magnets?

That's a possibility.

Only XM knows for sure, I guess. Hopefully they show us soon.

Peedi
06-15-2016, 02:59 AM
How in the world does that mask cover his lips?

Who knows. Lol. But it's comic accurate. XM actually nailed the classic head.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_scale,h_1152,w_903/t_mp_quality/hn6unzaj5vs1j1qznl1z/will-marvel-introduce-these-villains-after-spider-man-joins-the-avengers-456579.jpg


I was thinking the same thing AC.

While I think both designs are pretty boss, making a body to match will be difficult. However, I'm sure XM has a plan.

Looking at the modern, you can see the same style suit underneath. Maybe pieces of armor for the body that attach with magnets?

I was thinking the same as you all AC, Demona and lucifixion. These heads are so different it'll be interesting to see how they tweaked the body, but I was also thinking how Samurai Batman has the optional shoulder pieces, maybe scorpion has an alternate tail or added armor. Like how Vulture will have 2 sets of wings.

Khufu
06-22-2016, 07:00 PM
Those two portraits give me hope there will be a classic version/body somehow. I really want the classic one for my custom Sinister Six team.

GrumpyBear
06-27-2016, 03:58 PM
Marvel´s XM Scorpion WIP from Caleb Nefzen.

https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13533055_1169242119792718_5173728240303024585_n.jpg?oh=b58058170a7f2c68f9164a82629aa6aa&oe=57FAB59D
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13528733_1169247359792194_6044907950565385325_n.jpg?oh=07de29df99994de816ed02d7570b89e9&oe=57EB3B68
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13557799_1169247509792179_3606818695361386910_n.jpg?oh=e52300662dc5965cf35577420d8e10af&oe=580D6EC0
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13537765_1169242123126051_4269649484375039064_n.jpg?oh=baa2654d4027cf370e4d03eb28305d9c&oe=57FD9870
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13502027_1169242116459385_2757051091125812609_n.jpg?oh=8e4b72d7133dfd1bb8391fdfbe8ad6bf&oe=580F42A4
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13495162_1169242163126047_1496901010445133551_n.jpg?oh=a24e73a8a39593b4b492661957c577ee&oe=58092018

SONICobra
06-27-2016, 04:10 PM
classic is still where its at

Demona
06-27-2016, 04:17 PM
I concur with Sonic! Classic FTW

And a third head does nothing to continue to beg the question, how will this blend in with the body design?

risingstar
06-27-2016, 04:55 PM
classic is still where its at



I agree! Great portrait

XMAN
06-27-2016, 07:25 PM
classic is still where its at

I agree.....

loricstone
06-27-2016, 09:22 PM
I concur with Sonic! Classic FTW

And a third head does nothing to continue to beg the question, how will this blend in with the body design?

We will all find out soon.:cool:

Screamingstang
06-28-2016, 12:43 AM
Classic...no questions asked :drinking:

AC_808
06-28-2016, 11:47 AM
Hmmm ...I like the classic portrait more as well, but you gotta admit, it's great to have all three options. The screaming portrait is my second choice.

Y3E
06-30-2016, 07:08 PM
:jawd:

wolf-brother
07-01-2016, 04:49 PM
Damn you XM! They certainly make it painful to pass!

IzeroI
07-01-2016, 05:00 PM
Damn you XM! They certainly make it painful to pass!

They really do. Have to do a lot option weighing with their line.

Especially the Spiderman line

GrumpyBear
07-11-2016, 10:14 AM
Armor WIP on XM Scorpion from Caleb Nefzen.

https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13615365_1179039242146339_177441542366427675_n.jpg?oh=726b5176b0fa39d3518dbd242b798853&oe=5829ED34
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13606653_1179039248813005_1387406262197119027_n.jpg?oh=266a54bf115bbe16808fe24e9c1b772e&oe=57F62AEA
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13654286_1179039245479672_1480833149831978270_n.jpg?oh=b33c7f781fd545294baefc9fd601d721&oe=58320604

loricstone
07-11-2016, 10:26 AM
I wonder if the armor is removable? Or is it just going to be armor?

Doctor Doom
08-26-2016, 12:15 AM
BUMP! More on this piece please good sirs!?

davide87ita
10-20-2016, 05:12 PM
From caleb fb

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/14753473_10154056016480698_2708506435441253407_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9

wolf-brother
10-20-2016, 07:08 PM
So sick! Wow!

MrJones
10-20-2016, 07:10 PM
Caleb is just an absolute beast.

P.S. no matter how many times I go into this thread, for whatever reason, every time I expect Scorpion from Mortal Kombat.

davide87ita
10-25-2016, 10:32 AM
"+PICs+HIGH REs: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zWrxZ

Sculpt i did for XM Studios,
Was great to have the liberties for the designs on the suits,
although all based on the great original concept of HIVE.

(Its pending for aproval, but 90% chance this is gonna be it!)

Special thanks to XM for your guidence and patience." From Caleb fb page

Mech version of Scorpion

https://cdna2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/986/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionsboth.jpg?1477402581

https://cdna2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/978/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionmech-03a.jpg?1477402573

https://cdnb3.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/991/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionmech-03.jpg?1477402585

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/981/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionmech-04.jpg?1477402577

https://cdna0.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/988/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionmech-02a.jpg?1477402582

https://cdna0.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/984/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionmech-02.jpg?1477402579

https://cdna0.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/980/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionmech-01a.jpg?1477402576

https://cdna0.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/976/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionmech-01.jpg?1477402573

davide87ita
10-25-2016, 10:36 AM
Leather version of Scorpion

https://cdna2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/994/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionleather-02a.jpg?1477402591

https://cdna2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/982/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionleather-04a.jpg?1477402578

https://cdnb3.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/979/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionleather-04.jpg?1477402575

https://cdna0.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/992/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionleather-06.jpg?1477402586

https://cdnb3.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/987/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionleather-05.jpg?1477402581

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/989/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionleather-01a.jpg?1477402583

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/985/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionleather-01.jpg?1477402580

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/977/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpion-3hex.jpg?1477402574

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/750/689/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionas.jpg?1477086979

davide87ita
10-25-2016, 10:50 AM
I'm curious to see how they realize the statue.. becouse from the digital sculpt is like two different statues..

Comicbookguy
10-25-2016, 11:22 AM
Wow pose is awesome and love all 3 COH options!

Iko Iko
10-25-2016, 12:06 PM
Leather version all the way!

XMAN
10-25-2016, 12:10 PM
love the small footprint:thumbs2:

SONICobra
10-25-2016, 12:50 PM
that transformer portrait doesnt do anything for me but the rest is fantastic

Comicbookguy
10-25-2016, 02:50 PM
I need all the portraits don't want just one. All is very usable! This is more like xm!

candyrocket786
10-25-2016, 03:04 PM
I want all three heads.

The more head the better.

loricstone
10-25-2016, 03:15 PM
LoL Candy....:thumbs2:

The details once again are extraordinary! I like both the classic and armor version. Quite honestly, this iss one of those statues I will be interchanging around quite a bit. I think all three heads are spectacular (look at the veins in his forehead / temple area).

Another Spidey villain statue I don't see anyone else doing or topping quite honestly! Grats to CN on another spectacular looking statue. Love the concept, small footprint, pose, details, multiple styles, armor version. I can't see anything wrong with this statue / 3D render at all quite honestly!

Comicbookguy
10-25-2016, 03:26 PM
I want all three heads.

The more head the better.

Yep love all the variation expressions! Great job xm! :D

wolf-brother
10-25-2016, 04:25 PM
So sick! :jawd: Leaning towards the leather version but imagine the armor version with XM paint! Either way another masterpiece coming!

Demona
10-25-2016, 04:38 PM
I'm so confused. Are they implying collectors get TWO full bodies and THREE portraits?!

If there is only one (1), I think the leather version is really great. though, I have no dog in that race.

Cali604
10-25-2016, 04:54 PM
This design looks exquisite. Scorpion looks deadly! Caleb has outdone himself. The paint up will really push this over the top.

And if the switchouts are indeed two bodies plus 3 portraits that will be amazing!

GaryTonge
10-25-2016, 04:56 PM
I'm so confused. Are they implying collectors get TWO full bodies and THREE portraits?!

If there is only one (1), I think the leather version is really great. though, I have no dog in that race.

I'm wondering that as well. Seems unlikely.

wolf-brother
10-25-2016, 05:00 PM
I'm so confused. Are they implying collectors get TWO full bodies and THREE portraits?!


I'm wondering that as well. Seems unlikely.

I wouldn't put it past them Gary. XM is certainly full of surprises and if they gave us both that would be awesome!. :D

GaryTonge
10-25-2016, 06:10 PM
I wouldn't put it past them Gary. XM is certainly full of surprises and if they gave us both that would be awesome!. :D

That would be awesome indeed!

Lockdown
10-25-2016, 06:33 PM
Both designs look awesome!!! I like the pincher/tail on the leather version much more than the metal version. I wonder if both could be interchangeable? But the armored head is my favorite of the three.

RossMcCollector
10-25-2016, 06:41 PM
The way I see it from the pics, I think we would get 3 heads, 1 body, 2 tails, and extra armor pieces that gets attached on the body just like XM Samurai Batman.

That would be AWESOME!!!

Love everything about this piece!!

Statueenvy
10-25-2016, 07:02 PM
The way I see it from the pics, I think we would get 3 heads, 1 body, 2 tails, and extra armor pieces that gets attached on the body just like XM Samurai Batman.

That would be AWESOME!!!

Love everything about this piece!!

I think you nailed it. that was also my guess of what they're going to do.

wolf-brother
10-25-2016, 07:25 PM
From the pics that looks like it would be a heck of a lot of pieces.
:thinking:

yipkusing
10-25-2016, 07:39 PM
I think the lamp is a bit distracting.

Divo
10-25-2016, 09:16 PM
Man, these are truly fantastic designs, shaping up to be one of XM's best. Imagine that! Where will this kick arse company take us next, as my imagination swoons.

Parallax
10-25-2016, 09:36 PM
God damn!

Smooth Criminal
10-25-2016, 10:48 PM
Man that looks sick looks like another home run!

Peedi
10-25-2016, 11:09 PM
This. All the way this.

Leather version of Scorpion

https://cdnb1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/777/985/large/caleb-nefzen-scorpionleather-01.jpg?1477402580

Cougrcrumby
10-26-2016, 01:00 AM
That looks sick!

ambasah
10-26-2016, 06:23 AM
has xm confirmed what we will be getting? I love the classic interpretation but have little interest in the armoured version.

my guess is 2 separate bodies...sort of like what they attempted with the first quicksilver.

supermetroid
10-26-2016, 07:27 AM
Wow! This might be the best Spidey rogue yet or close(Electro, Venom, Lizard, Carnage and Mysterio are all amazing).

I'm selfishly hoping they add a stoic portrait for Kingpin and he'll be up there too.

Demona
10-26-2016, 08:03 AM
If that statue is really two-in-one it is totally worth it. Might be the coolest thing I have ever seen in a statue.

This is assuming that can be pulled off without damage occurring to the paint on the body from armor attachments

GaryTonge
10-26-2016, 09:01 AM
This. All the way this.

This is the money shot for me.

AC_808
10-26-2016, 09:43 AM
The leather version is money! That's my ticket right there!

But hell ...if the armor version comes with, then I have no complaints.

Demona
10-26-2016, 10:57 AM
The leather version is so cool.

MrJones
10-26-2016, 12:13 PM
That does not look like the Scorpion I grew up with. It looks like this Scorpion smacked that Scorpion in his ----- mouth and sent him packing!

XMAN
10-26-2016, 12:18 PM
Leather all the way. ....it's what I'm paying for. .:D.

supermetroid
10-26-2016, 04:26 PM
I prefer the more classic look too, but the armor version looks pretty sick! It makes me wonder what they could do to spice up Doctor Ock a little, maybe make a version with armor to add on the classic costume?

Khufu
10-26-2016, 04:33 PM
Agreed leather is what I'm buying it for. I would prefer a full classic look (with rounded tail), but I'll be buying this one regardless.

Now XM just has to make Shocker and my Spidey collection will be complete!

KELPIE
10-26-2016, 05:18 PM
Now XM just has to make Shocker and my Spidey collection will be complete!

and the Beetle! :praying:

Would be pretty happy with Scream also.

loricstone
10-26-2016, 07:37 PM
and the Beetle! :praying:

Would be pretty happy with Scream also.

And Rhino and Doc Ock and Morbius (whatever the vampires name is)

GrumpyBear
01-19-2017, 09:37 AM
XM Studios News

"XM Scorpion done. Thanks to dreambox 3dteam crew for the print."

XM Studios Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/xmstudios/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED) --- XM Studios Europe Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/xmstudioseu/)

https://abload.de/img/16002993_180546118634hrope.jpg
https://abload.de/img/16179138_180546119634kjp8w.jpg
https://abload.de/img/16107546_180546121634cko5t.jpg

Mr. Nice Guy
01-19-2017, 09:48 AM
Ah crap. This looks great. Stop. Just stop.

GaryTonge
01-19-2017, 09:51 AM
Insta-PO for me! I love the switch-outs!

Demona
01-19-2017, 12:20 PM
This looks really nice.

Does anybody have all of the Spider-Man Rogues that XM has released to date? I really want to see that display now and when the last of these baddies make it into the collection.

Hell, I wish XM would just put a group photo together. They should show off their amazing roster.

Khufu
01-19-2017, 12:51 PM
This looks really nice.

Does anybody have all of the Spider-Man Rogues that XM has released to date? I really want to see that display now and when the last of these baddies make it into the collection.

Hell, I wish XM would just put a group photo together. They should show off their amazing roster.

I'm not doing all of the Rogues, but I will likely end up with most of them:

(in hand)
Sandman
Kraven
Spider-man (SSC)

(shipping)
Mysterio
(Green Goblic - SSC)

(pre-ordered/reserved)
Venom
Lizard
Scorpion

(picking up after release)
Electro

(wishlist)
Shocker

I decided to pass on Vulture - just too much space and cost for a character I don't care for. I might bite on Doc Oc, but he's not a priority for me - same for Carnage. I'm hoping they do a Shocker as he is one of my old school faves. Its going to be awhile before I have everything to display, but this is what I have going right now (going to get a Besta display once I move this spring):

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/762/31563647724_b7369c5926_k.jpg

NEMISIS PRIME
01-19-2017, 12:55 PM
This looks really nice.

Does anybody have all of the Spider-Man Rogues that XM has released to date? I really want to see that display now and when the last of these baddies make it into the collection.

Hell, I wish XM would just put a group photo together. They should show off their amazing roster.

My humble setup
http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p440/NemisisPrime/DA5FCBE8-E36E-44F5-A600-AFC012FF0155_zpsgol5kxwe.jpg (http://s346.photobucket.com/user/NemisisPrime/media/DA5FCBE8-E36E-44F5-A600-AFC012FF0155_zpsgol5kxwe.jpg.html)

Trying to get them xmen sentinel and Xm hulkbuster set me back I'll atleast finish the sinister six

RossMcCollector
01-19-2017, 06:01 PM
This looks really nice.

Does anybody have all of the Spider-Man Rogues that XM has released to date? I really want to see that display now and when the last of these baddies make it into the collection.

Hell, I wish XM would just put a group photo together. They should show off their amazing roster.

Here are mine. I'm planing to get all of XM Spidey villains except Green Goblin and Rhino since I'm very happy with mine...still not sure about their Kingpin and Black Cat
http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc363/supa78/IMG_4248_1006_zpslclitzaf.jpg

Shoo
01-19-2017, 06:23 PM
I saw your Kraven mod YouTube video the other day, Ross. Love it. He does look better there.

NEMISIS PRIME
01-19-2017, 08:09 PM
I saw your Kraven mod YouTube video the other day, Ross. Love it. He does look better there.

Loads better genius idea putting kraven in front of the lion

RossMcCollector
01-19-2017, 08:27 PM
I saw your Kraven mod YouTube video the other day, Ross. Love it. He does look better there.
Thanks Shoo!! I'm glad you like it :)

Loads better genius idea putting kraven in front of the lion
Thanks!! It never fails to put a smile on my face every time I walk by it..just the way I want it!

Lockdown
01-19-2017, 08:44 PM
I think this sculpt is my second favourite after Electro with it switch-outs like Batman. I don't see all the parts for the modern version being printed such as the different shin pads and the hose around his neck.

Doctor Doom
04-08-2017, 04:16 PM
BUMPING this thread as I just wanted to know if there was any new info/updates about Scorpion? This statue is going to be KILLER!!

wolf-brother
04-08-2017, 04:55 PM
BUMPING this thread as I just wanted to know if there was any new info/updates about Scorpion? This statue is going to be KILLER!!

All these killer statues coming out!:doh!:

https://media.giphy.com/media/9c2f4TDmoYXks/giphy.gif

Cali604
04-08-2017, 04:59 PM
All these killer statues coming out!:doh!:

https://media.giphy.com/media/9c2f4TDmoYXks/giphy.gif

:hilarious:

Doctor Doom
04-08-2017, 09:56 PM
:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

GaryTonge
04-15-2017, 09:56 PM
After receiving my Lizard and seeing how absolutely epic it is, I cannot wait to pair Scorpion with it.

Comicbookguy
04-15-2017, 10:54 PM
This is a superb coh option! So is it still 999 or less Es? :D

ChaFoShizzle
04-15-2017, 11:25 PM
This is a superb coh option! So is it still 999 or less Es? :D

I'm not sure about the ES, but I would think it's still 999. This piece does look incredible though, and I don't even care for Scorpion as a villain.

Gollum
04-16-2017, 07:58 AM
I would expect this to be an ES of 500 or 600

MrJones
04-16-2017, 10:08 AM
All these killer statues coming out!:doh!:

https://media.giphy.com/media/9c2f4TDmoYXks/giphy.gif

That's pretty hilarious

GaryTonge
04-23-2017, 09:30 AM
Wow! I really hope XM uses this same type of metallic paint app on Scorpion as they did on the base element for Spidey!

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18033791_1921144941503577_7907963369760154319_n.jpg?oh=f294cedc1f5d85d8a1f9f801de2d01cc&oe=5985F3D4

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18057880_1921144968170241_3647533284084763510_n.jpg?oh=58ed8694f5a25c6c94f4614d71c5ba54&oe=598D58CB

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18119197_1921144994836905_6633464408138084930_n.jpg?oh=d108e5c3917c5c064a14eeb75bc63aaa&oe=59815CC0

Doctor Doom
04-23-2017, 06:38 PM
REALLY CAN'T wait for this one!!!!!! :smokin:

swim
05-02-2017, 10:31 PM
REALLY CAN'T wait for this one!!!!!! :smokin:

same here

Doctor Doom
05-27-2017, 02:18 PM
Anything.....?:tumblew::tumblew::tumblew::tumblew:

loricstone
05-27-2017, 02:32 PM
Anything.....?:tumblew::tumblew::tumblew::tumblew:

You won't see this until STGCC. Moon Knight is currently being painted, and I'm sure others before Scorpion. Just going to need a little patience on this one DD.:thumbs2:

GaryTonge
05-27-2017, 03:03 PM
If Scorpion has the same paint app as what they used on the base element for Spidey, I think I'm going to be in heaven!

aa909
05-27-2017, 03:23 PM
the sculpt and base on this are excellent. if paint is solid this will be a winner IMO

Doctor Doom
05-31-2017, 11:45 PM
You won't see this until STGCC. Moon Knight is currently being painted, and I'm sure others before Scorpion. Just going to need a little patience on this one DD.:thumbs2:

You're right brother...just impatient for this one. This char really gets no love and I think this piece is going to rock it!

Subby1938
06-01-2017, 06:25 AM
Just sick

Mr. Nice Guy
07-28-2017, 11:02 PM
Courtesy of FB

aa909
07-28-2017, 11:38 PM
Courtesy of FB

Hmmm, was really looking forward to this but that color scheme isn't looking great to me. Need to see some more pics but hopefully that paint is a work in progress.

GaryTonge
07-28-2017, 11:44 PM
Hmmm, was really looking forward to this but that color scheme isn't looking great to me. Need to see some more pics but hopefully that paint is a work in progress.

Really? I think the paint is outstanding. I love the look of this so far.

WolverineFan
07-28-2017, 11:56 PM
He looks like he's coming out pretty good so far but just based on that pic I don't see the wow factor for me to spend around $1000 on it

aa909
07-29-2017, 12:47 AM
Really? I think the paint is outstanding. I love the look of this so far.

There's little to no contrast in the green in that pic. Hopefully it's an intermediate WIP, but IMO it needs some yellows and lighter shaded greens to contrast the base dark green. As it is now it looks very bland and Monochromatic.

Remember Me?
07-29-2017, 01:12 AM
Meh...looks like a blown up version of Bowen's Scorpion.

GaryTonge
07-29-2017, 01:30 AM
There's little to no contrast in the green in that pic. Hopefully it's an intermediate WIP, but IMO it needs some yellows and lighter shaded greens to contrast the base dark green. As it is now it looks very bland and Monochromatic.
To my eyes, there's a metallic-like gradient to the finish. It's what I was hoping to see with this piece.

Meh...looks like a blown up version of Bowen's Scorpion.
That's a huge compliment. I absolutely loved that piece and the paints apps on it.

Smooth Criminal
07-29-2017, 03:09 AM
Yup been really excited for this one the Xm spidey line has been amazing

GrumpyBear
07-29-2017, 04:33 AM
XM Studios News

"I'm ready ...."

XM Studios Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/xmstudios/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED)

New Page >>> XM Studios Europe Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/xmstudioseurope) <<< New Page


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loricstone
07-29-2017, 06:08 AM
I think the paint up is fantastic. The cloth material like part of the costume actually looks like cloth and the metallic parts of the costume look like metal. One thing I know from XM pics is take what you see with a grain of salt.

Outside of being able to see if textures are on a sculpt (Kingpin), the colors can't really be gauged until its seen in great crisp pictures and / or in video.

I love what I am seeing, but will wait until STGCC to even begin to judge it. The statue / sculpt itself is second to none though. The details are off the charts. I'm a huge fan of Caleb Nefzen...his work is tops in the industry along with Daniel Bel, Will Harbottle, Mark Newman and a select few others.

It's Sisko
07-29-2017, 08:58 AM
That pic looks pretty washed out to me, so it's hard to tell. That also looks like it could be the factory so this could be a production piece paint app.

ComicJesus
07-29-2017, 09:53 AM
This looks totally cool. I like the paint app, which is totally what I would expect from a piece as I grew up watching the 90s TV show. I appreciate that XM is making all the villains, and if I wasn't in Canada, would try to own all of them.

Khufu
07-29-2017, 11:07 AM
Yeow! That paint is fantastic! I think the metallic really pops on the stinger, and I'm sure it's going to look even better in better pics and in hand (as usual with most statues). I'm so glad I decided to go all in XM's Spidey villains. I would have preferred a little less modern looking suit for my personal tastes, but that's not to say I don't like and appreciate the modern look. I think the key will be the portraits sealing the deal.

Anyone else excited this appears to be a "small" XM base?? Hooray lower shipping cost!! Hooray less display space needed!!!

aa909
07-29-2017, 12:22 PM
I don't know guys, I loved the sculpt when they showed the print but the paint isn't that impressive IMO. I need to see some better pics that aren't washed out, and we need to see the head sculpt.

I want to love this but so far I'm underwhelmed with the lack of contrast on the paint. hope that changes when we get some hi res pics from the front of the statue.

loricstone
07-29-2017, 12:33 PM
Yeow! That paint is fantastic! I think the metallic really pops on the stinger, and I'm sure it's going to look even better in better pics and in hand (as usual with most statues). I'm so glad I decided to go all in XM's Spidey villains. I would have preferred a little less modern looking suit for my personal tastes, but that's not to say I don't like and appreciate the modern look. I think the key will be the portraits sealing the deal.

Anyone else excited this appears to be a "small" XM base?? Hooray lower shipping cost!! Hooray less display space needed!!!

Well it fits the statue and nothing wrong with this being on the smaller end of bases. Moon Knight is the same way...except that massive cape kind of eats up space on its own.

loricstone
07-29-2017, 12:49 PM
I don't know guys, I loved the sculpt when they showed the print but the paint isn't that impressive IMO. I need to see some better pics that aren't washed out, and we need to see the head sculpt.

I want to love this but so far I'm underwhelmed with the lack of contrast on the paint. hope that changes when we get some hi res pics from the front of the statue.

I think it would go a long way if you had samples of painted artwork...to convey to XM what it is that is not resonating with you. Everything I have seen from the comics Scorpion looks pretty simple or two...maybe three tones of green. The XM statue appears to have even more than that.

http://i66.tinypic.com/4k7aj8.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/2ps2jr4.jpg

slickrick
08-16-2017, 12:02 AM
Is there a release calendar or a lineup for when statues are planned for release? Excited for this Scorpion, Rhino and Doc Ock and hopefully Shocker! I wonder how many of us statue collectors work overtime or second job just to compensate for our statue addiction??

Vince_be
08-16-2017, 12:23 AM
Is there a release calendar or a lineup for when statues are planned for release? Excited for this Scorpion, Rhino and Doc Ock and hopefully Shocker! I wonder how many of us statue collectors work overtime or second job just to compensate for our statue addiction??


No calendar since the new XM Studios website is up. They are aware we asked for it since a few months but we've seen no move in that way from their side until now. The only thing we know is that you can expect to see a statue in hands 4 or 6 months after PO has started ( sometimes only 3)

sdgs
09-09-2017, 02:20 AM
really amazing in person top 3 at stgcc for sure.

GaryTonge
09-09-2017, 02:43 AM
This piece rocks. I think I would actually use the armor plated chest with the classic portrait. I love the look of the armor.

HulkWins
09-09-2017, 04:16 AM
525 High quality photos and going up all the time at http://www.collectorverse.com/stgcc2017

RossMcCollector
09-09-2017, 11:14 AM
This piece rocks. I think I would actually use the armor plated chest with the classic portrait. I love the look of the armor.

That's exactly what I'm planning to do. In addition to the classic tail.

GaryTonge
09-09-2017, 12:38 PM
That's exactly what I'm planning to do. In addition to the classic tail.

Yes! Great minds. :) haha

Comicbookguy
09-09-2017, 02:49 PM
Damn this looks awesome!

crimsinwing1989
09-09-2017, 03:54 PM
Damn this looks awesome!yup, i want this too but won't be able to afford it.

Doctor Doom
09-10-2017, 01:27 AM
LOVE IT!! A+++++ XM!

Saturday_Knight_Surfer
09-10-2017, 09:56 AM
I don't understand why they sculpted compound eyes on the modern looking head as scorpions don't have this kind of eyes. A curious artistic choice.

GaryTonge
09-10-2017, 09:58 AM
Here's an image composite I came up with for Scorpon. I don't know who's photos these are. This is how I'm going to display my Scorpion. Fully armored with classic portrait. From a display perspective, I think I like the modern tail because of how the tip comes up and over the portrait, as opposed to behind like the classic tail.

https://i.imgur.com/GqJWe42.jpg

Subby1938
09-10-2017, 04:58 PM
Amazing piece I ordered a PO it's a sleeper

GaryTonge
09-10-2017, 08:14 PM
According to this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu2FhX1Loqs
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu2FhX1Loqs)
The street light will be a light-up via CR2 Lithium Batteries.

That was news to me!

immortalblade
09-10-2017, 09:00 PM
I always wanted a Scorpion statue but missed out on the Bowen one. Although this one looks good, I'm going to wait for the aftermarket to get one as I don't think it'll truely sell out like most modern pieces.

ambasah
09-10-2017, 10:08 PM
According to this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu2FhX1Loqs
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu2FhX1Loqs)
The street light will be a light-up via CR2 Lithium Batteries.

That was news to me!

This gets better and better! As for me, I will be displaying mine as "classic" as possible.

Mr. Nice Guy
09-10-2017, 10:31 PM
I always wanted a Scorpion statue but missed out on the Bowen one. Although this one looks good, I'm going to wait for the aftermarket to get one as I don't think it'll truely sell out like most modern pieces.

Agreed. And for most people they will have to turn down items to afford their Mauls, Magnetos, Thanos', and others. This will be aftermarket for me too.

WolverineFan
09-11-2017, 12:46 PM
Most xm pieces you can wait for the aftermarket except for those select few like Magneto, Ghost rider, Venom, Cable, Black Widow. Not a lot of them jump too significantly.

Subby1938
09-11-2017, 01:51 PM
Agreed , and very large pieces that are expensive to ship seldom come down

archery
09-11-2017, 04:57 PM
Superb sculpt and execution. Only thing I don't like are the metal railings and street lamp. Just look out of place to me. But I believe they are removable according to one of the STGCC videos I saw.

Did they ditch the third screaming portrait? Hope not.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvunJeNVMAA-dLR.jpg

.

SONICobra
09-11-2017, 05:01 PM
if this didnt cost so much to get to my door i would pick it up, my favorite piece from the show... A+

GaryTonge
09-11-2017, 06:31 PM
Superb sculpt and execution. Only thing I don't like are the metal railings and street lamp. Just look out of place to me. But I believe they are removable according to one of the STGCC videos I saw.

Did they ditch the third screaming portrait? Hope not.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvunJeNVMAA-dLR.jpg

.

I agree. The railing and lamppost are my least favorite aspects of this statue. Xm will probably have a clever way of concealing those if needed.

I wanted to see that third head as well. Doesn't look like it's happening.

Doctor Doom
09-12-2017, 01:47 AM
Pre ordered this in a heartbeat! Yes...I have heard more than a few rumblings that the third head is nixed. :(

It's Sisko
09-14-2017, 09:37 AM
Here's my first video of Scorpion from STGCC. I also have another one with the modern switch out which will go up a bit later. This was one of the best looking pieces at the show!

XM Studios Scorpion 1/4 Scale Statue STGCC 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qmxvf8Mw8g)

ryuhayabusa6787
09-14-2017, 09:44 AM
Here's my first video of Scorpion from STGCC. I also have another one with the modern switch out which will go up a bit later. This was one of the best looking pieces at the show!


XM Studios Scorpion 1/4 Scale Statue STGCC 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qmxvf8Mw8g)

Thanks for all your videos. fan of your channel.

slickrick
09-15-2017, 01:42 AM
Wow, very promising piece! Any word when it's projected release?

It's Sisko
09-15-2017, 02:11 AM
Thanks for all your videos. fan of your channel.

Thanks! :thumbs2:

Wow, very promising piece! Any word when it's projected release?

No word yet, but I'm guessing it will be up for PO fairly soon.

GaryTonge
09-15-2017, 12:34 PM
Thanks again Sisko for your vids. This piece is a sure winner.

Here's another awesome pic from Kris Bales! Love it. Scorp and Lizard were meant to be paired together.

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21731756_1420258018093166_6226926891732659636_o.jpg?oh=c8fef2f3a90386509e3ae4ac7265b652&oe=5A47842B

Subby1938
09-15-2017, 03:53 PM
Love that pic. Want both of these

isaac_31f
09-15-2017, 08:01 PM
I like the non-sinister-six spiderman line more

It's Sisko
09-20-2017, 12:32 PM
Here's my video of the modern switch outs for Scorpion from STGCC. I was already in love with this statue, and then these modern switch outs made it even more incredible.

XM Studios Scorpion Modern Switchouts STGCC 2017 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQQBkkWxLoU)

Bmutha
09-22-2017, 11:53 AM
Here's a look at the armoured up version!

https://i.imgur.com/tgKl59xh.jpg

Bmutha
09-22-2017, 11:54 AM
And an updated pic with Lizard...just upped the exposure a bit to give a better look at these two beasts!

https://i.imgur.com/cIxRYEH.jpg

Issun
09-22-2017, 12:55 PM
I hate how great he looks. From the base, paint app, different swap outs, everything is on point. This may have to be something for later down the road considering Batgirl and Poison Ivy have all my money at the moment.

GrumpyBear
01-17-2018, 02:14 PM
XM Studios News


https://abload.de/img/26805043_198409874514hqr0f.jpg


This updated list will be regularly maintained on a weekly basis to stay as updated as possible. Kicking off the next Marvel PO is XM's Scorpion! Retailing at SGD990 with many switch out parts to alternate between a modern and more classic costume, this is THE Scorpion statue to own! The PO mechanics will be similar to Catwoman where XM's online store will be taking in orders over a 2-week period and final ES announced after. To reassure customers, our Marvel 1/4 scale line is still capped at 999 max. We are preparing a big update about the MTO mechanics to explain clearly how it works and also share more about XM's 2018 resolutions soon! Exciting times ahead!

We've finally been able to work out the Shipping Schedules (https://www.xm-studios.com/content/shipping-po-dates.aspx) for many items at our homepage.


XM Studios Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/xmstudios/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED)

XM Studios Europe Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/xmstudioseurope/)


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GaryTonge
01-17-2018, 02:28 PM
I'm totally in love with this piece!

WolverineFan
01-17-2018, 03:10 PM
I'm totally in love with this piece!

It’s an awesome piece for sure. I wish I had unlimited money and space but he’s on the back burner currently. I’ll see down the line if I decide to pick him up

Subby1938
01-17-2018, 06:07 PM
One of best spidey villains ever sculpted. Ridiculous

XMAN
01-17-2018, 06:30 PM
This will be mine

Bmutha
01-17-2018, 07:43 PM
Was one of the best at STGCC 2017.

https://i.imgur.com/tlQqCUJh.jpg

Iko Iko
01-17-2018, 08:47 PM
I don't collect villains but this statue is crazy good!

Subby1938
01-18-2018, 01:31 PM
I just caved and got a PO. Damn it

NorthernLadMSP
01-18-2018, 01:47 PM
Spec Fiction has him for an awesome price, and they will have him via US shipping!

https://www.specfictionshop.com/products/scorpion-1-4-scale-statue-by-xm-studios?variant=42494649040

WolverineFan
01-18-2018, 01:58 PM
I do want it and I like that he won’t take up a lot of space but man sideshow seems to be on a roll with pre orders for me with Magneto and probably Wonder Woman and I already have 5 xm pre orders. This beauty is going to have to be on the back burner. I can’t wait to see pics when you guys get it

Wurmtongue
01-18-2018, 04:18 PM
Spec Fiction is my new best friend. PO'd Dark Phoenix. This Scorpion is the best interpretation of him yet. Paired with XM Mysterio and Sideshow ex Rhino would look awesome. I wish Horizons Green Goblin was the same size and wish the douche bag on this forum hadnt stolen it and my money from me.

NorthernLadMSP
01-18-2018, 04:37 PM
Spec Fiction is my new best friend. PO'd Dark Phoenix. This Scorpion is the best interpretation of him yet. Paired with XM Mysterio and Sideshow ex Rhino would look awesome. I wish Horizons Green Goblin was the same size and wish the douche bag on this forum hadnt stolen it and my money from me.

Same here! I'm getting Catwoman and Poison Ivy from Spec Fiction, plus Storm when she goes up for order. Who knows, maybe at some point I'll get a white Magneto too since the Sideshow one doesn't do it for me.

Mr. Nice Guy
01-18-2018, 05:08 PM
If I was a XM seller Id be really smart and contact Mr. Nice Guy with a killer price on this piece. just sayin'.

Cali604
01-18-2018, 06:21 PM
If I was a XM seller Id be really smart and contact Mr. Nice Guy with a killer price on this piece. just sayin'.

pm sent Mr. Nice Guy, its retail price :)

Nebulhym
01-18-2018, 07:18 PM
Yup, pure talent here, Caleb is incredible!

loricstone
01-18-2018, 07:37 PM
I do want it and I like that he won’t take up a lot of space but man sideshow seems to be on a roll with pre orders for me with Magneto and probably Wonder Woman and I already have 5 xm pre orders. This beauty is going to have to be on the back burner. I can’t wait to see pics when you guys get it

Not a fan. Funny thing is...I actually liked it more at SDCC! But when I saw him on video next to Wolverine yesterday...I was completely unimpressed.

And I hate the fact the cape was flimsy and bouncy every time he was turned on the lazy susan.

Nebulhym
01-18-2018, 07:45 PM
Not a fan. Funny thing is...I actually liked it more at SDCC! But when I saw him on video next to Wolverine yesterday...I was completely unimpressed.

And I hate the fact the cape was flimsy and bouncy every time he was turned on the lazy susan.

I must say that if there's a character Xm has really mastered, it's definitely Magneto. Both XM interpretations of the character are breathtaking.

I am so disappointed by SIdeshow's offering that I am considering taking the White Magneto. I hate the costume (not XM's fault) but the statue is a real masterpiece!!

Subby1938
01-18-2018, 09:09 PM
I knew specfiction was the s--t long ago. Purchased XM Venom, Hulk Buster, hulk Transformation and now scorpion from Todd. This new shipping price from US I think just about kills all Singapore connections

WolverineFan
01-18-2018, 09:14 PM
I knew specfiction was the s--t long ago. Purchased XM Venom, Hulk Buster, hulk Transformation and now scorpion from Todd. This new shipping price from US I think just about kills all Singapore connections

How much did you pay for Venom with shipping from him?

Subby1938
01-18-2018, 10:48 PM
I'd lie to keep what I paid private if that's ok but il say this once a relationship is established with Todd based on trust in a deal he's more than fair and offers different payment plans that his web page. I have no doubt he will be go to guy in NA for XM preorders.

WolverineFan
01-18-2018, 11:01 PM
I'd lie to keep what I paid private if that's ok but il say this once a relationship is established with Todd based on trust in a deal he's more than fair and offers different payment plans that his web page. I have no doubt he will be go to guy in NA for XM preorders.

That’s okay. I understand. I’ve seen his prices and I’m just not that impressed. Here’s an example, he has Electro for $1200 free shipping, I paid $900 shipped for mine. The prices aren’t even close. I’m sure if I built a relationship with him, he would do better but I can’t see him dropping his price that much. Venom is currently $2000. That’s a ripoff.

WalkerFodder
01-19-2018, 12:38 AM
Not a fan. Funny thing is...I actually liked it more at SDCC! But when I saw him on video next to Wolverine yesterday...I was completely unimpressed.

And I hate the fact the cape was flimsy and bouncy every time he was turned on the lazy susan.

The fabric cape is bad enough, but it’s made worse by the feeling the cape is simply missing some detail to make it feel more a part of the statue instead of an uninspired last minute addition. I feel like it’s too light too.

GrumpyBear
01-19-2018, 05:39 AM
XM Studios News


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XM Studios is excited to present our next Marvel Premium Collectibles series statue, Scorpion! The aggressive villain and member of the Sinister Six is immortalized in amazingly detailed 1:4 scale cold-cast porcelain. Each painstakingly handcrafted statue is individually hand-painted with the highest possible quality finish. Complete your Sinister Six 1/4 scale collection with Scorpion!

Former private investigator Mac Gargan was hired by J. Jonah Jameson to find out how Peter Parker is able to get incredible pictures of Spider-Man. Gargan's efforts to locate Peter in order to find out the truth triggered Parkers's spider sense, making him easily avoidable.

Frustrated, Jameson decided to pay $10,000 to Gargan as the subject of an experiment. An experiment created by Dr. Farley Stillwell, a researcher in animal mutation which endowed the subject with the characteristic of another animal. Unfortunately the process resulted in the loss of Gargan's sanity, and the creation of the super-powered criminal menace known as the Scorpion.

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Subby1938
01-19-2018, 06:46 AM
I can't find anybody on the net that gets every single exclsuive and in numbers other than specfiction. Those are really tough to find . Middlemen want huge up front deposits I can't buy like that. I need more realistic flexability

NorthernLadMSP
01-19-2018, 11:09 AM
Agree with Subby. I'm not rolling in money, therefore, do not have the trust to give some random person halfway across the world $400 as a gift in the hope that they don't take off with my money (trust, I've read all the horror stories on Facebook).

So, I'm completely ecstatic to have discovered Spec Fiction, especially if there is a new way to buy some Marvel pieces with U.S. shipping.

If I was into buying Scorpion (love the statue but don't know anything about the character), that is where I would buy.

Cali604
01-19-2018, 02:18 PM
Not all resellers should be painted with the same brush. Ive been helping people on this forum for 3 years now without any issues. Im also on Facebook with my personal account so not an obscure person, everything is an open book. Deposits are standard practice and I have done payment plans even on the deposits with my guys.

Im glad you guys found Spec Fiction, and I have actually sold to him in the past he is a good guy. :)

NorthernLadMSP
01-19-2018, 02:47 PM
Not all resellers should be painted with the same brush. Ive been helping people on this forum for 3 years now without any issues. Im also on Facebook with my personal account so not an obscure person, everything is an open book. Deposits are standard practice and I have done payment plans even on the deposits with my guys.

Im glad you guys found Spec Fiction, and I have actually sold to him in the past he is a good guy. :)

I didn't mean you Cali. I've heard nothing but great things about you and you and I have chatted via PM as well, so I apologize if my statement came off in any negative way toward you. I just mean in the general sense, I've read stories about people's money getting taken.

Cali604
01-19-2018, 02:58 PM
I didn't mean you Cali. I've heard nothing but great things about you and you and I have chatted via PM as well, so I apologize if my statement came off in any negative way toward you. I just mean in the general sense, I've read stories about people's money getting taken.

No worries bud, I totally understand that has happened to people. There were two major ones that I can recall. Its a pretty ----ty thing to hear.

Subby1938
01-19-2018, 06:15 PM
You're good s--t too Cali!

Cali604
01-19-2018, 06:17 PM
You're good s--t too Cali!

;)

candyrocket786
01-19-2018, 07:10 PM
I can't find anybody on the net that gets every single exclsuive and in numbers other than specfiction. Those are really tough to find . Middlemen want huge up front deposits I can't buy like that. I need more realistic flexability

Don't forget it's a two-way street. These middlemen get stuck with the XM bill if someone defaults on their purchase/deposit. Apparently, it's pretty common with XM pieces.

Subby1938
01-20-2018, 06:27 AM
It's tough I've been stuck few times on wether to preorder XM because of overseas shipping ($$$$$), paying middleman his fee then PayPal fees in end the item sells less for cost after the release. With exclusives it's diff but with XM especially you will lose money on most pieces. In Canada I can't flip a piece and expect to get shipping I paid back . It's not happening so huge pieces or XMs I'm already losing hundreds . That's why I'm picky and have to really think something is special to purchase it.

Mr. Nice Guy
01-20-2018, 10:49 AM
It's tough I've been stuck few times on wether to preorder XM because of overseas shipping ($$$$$), paying middleman his fee then PayPal fees in end the item sells less for cost after the release. With exclusives it's diff but with XM especially you will lose money on most pieces. In Canada I can't flip a piece and expect to get shipping I paid back . It's not happening so huge pieces or XMs I'm already losing hundreds . That's why I'm picky and have to really think something is special to purchase it.

I'm waiting. I paid big $$$ for Mysterio and now he sells for half of what I paid. I will get this piece in time. If anyone wants to bite the bullet and save me the time waiting I'll accept the low price today.

NorthernLadMSP
01-20-2018, 11:12 AM
I'm waiting. I paid big $$$ for Mysterio and now he sells for half of what I paid. I will get this piece in time. If anyone wants to bite the bullet and save me the time waiting I'll accept the low price today.

Is the Spec Fiction price of $879 not cheap enough?

WolverineFan
01-20-2018, 12:04 PM
Is the Spec Fiction price of $879 not cheap enough?

I see specfiction have him for $989. I’ve seen him go as low as $700 on eBay brand new from some trusted sellers. There is some good prices to be had. That’s why I’m only pre ordering the ones I think will go up in the after market and buying the ones I don’t think will, later. Prices come down heavily after a few months.

NorthernLadMSP
01-20-2018, 12:09 PM
I see specfiction have him for $989. I’ve seen him go as low as $700 on eBay brand new from some trusted sellers. There is some good prices to be had. That’s why I’m only pre ordering the ones I think will go up in the after market and buying the ones I don’t think will, later. Prices come down heavily after a few months.

It's $879 if you pay up front.

Regardless, I'm interested to see how the new MTO will affect things.

WolverineFan
01-20-2018, 12:11 PM
It's $879 if you pay up front.

Regardless, I'm interested to see how the new MTO will affect things.

That’s odd, I don’t see that option? Where do you see that? All I see is the price and free shipping when I go to Mysterio. I don’t actually want the statue currently but I’m curious where you see it. I see scorpion for $879? Are you referring to him by mistake?

NorthernLadMSP
01-20-2018, 12:13 PM
That’s odd, I don’t see that option? Where do you see that? All I see is the price and free shipping when I go to Mysterio. I don’t actually want the statue currently but I’m curious where you see it

https://www.specfictionshop.com/products/scorpion-1-4-scale-statue-by-xm-studios?variant=42494649040

They have three options. Option A is pay in full and it's at a discounted price of $879.

jadekite22
01-20-2018, 12:15 PM
I see specfiction have him for $989. I’ve seen him go as low as $700 on eBay brand new from some trusted sellers. There is some good prices to be had. That’s why I’m only pre ordering the ones I think will go up in the after market and buying the ones I don’t think will, later. Prices come down heavily after a few months.

Hmm. I have no love for Scorpion as a character, but I think Caleb Nefzen sculpting this will bring enough hype for it retain value (even I was tempted and I'm not a large-scale Marvel collector.) If this two-week PO period indicates it'll be made-to-order, although capped at 999 unlike Catwoman recently, it'll depend how many retailers and middlemen stock up on whether there will too many produced for the market to sustain. I'm sure a lot of the lost value on previous Spidey villains, like Vulture and Sandman, has been due to the enormous space requirements. This one seems more forgiving in that respect.

WolverineFan
01-20-2018, 12:19 PM
https://www.specfictionshop.com/products/scorpion-1-4-scale-statue-by-xm-studios?variant=42494649040

They have three options. Option A is pay in full and it's at a discounted price of $879.

I thought we were talking about Mysterio. We got confused. The scorpion price is pretty good but I’m on the fence about this piece because I simply just can’t own them all even though I wish I could. I’m confident if I want, I can get it for less than that price eventually after a few months

WolverineFan
01-20-2018, 12:21 PM
Hmm. I have no love for Scorpion as a character, but I think Caleb Nefzen sculpting this will bring enough hype for it retain value (even I was tempted and I'm not a large-scale Marvel collector.) If this two-week PO period indicates it'll be made-to-order, although capped at 999 unlike Catwoman recently, it'll depend how many retailers and middlemen stock up on whether there will too many produced for the market to sustain. I'm sure a lot of the lost value on previous Spidey villains, like Vulture and Sandman, has been due to the enormous space requirements. This one seems more forgiving in that respect.

I don’t think it’s going to have enough hype. I personally don’t want it because it’s not the comic version. I think the statue looks amazing is extremely well done but it’s not my genre of Thor I want. With that said, I think many people will feel the same way and there will plenty of these to be had at a reasonable price down the road in the aftermarket. It also depends on how many they make. They may know this and set the cap accordingly

jadekite22
01-20-2018, 12:27 PM
I don’t think it’s going to have enough hype. I personally don’t want it because it’s not the comic version. I think the statue looks amazing is extremely well done but it’s not my genre of Thor I want. With that said, I think many people will feel the same way and there will plenty of these to be had at a reasonable price down the road in the aftermarket. It also depends on how many they make. They may know this and set the cap accordingly

Yeah, 999 is a lot when taking in the license restrictions, character popularity, etc. so maybe they'll move more toward a direction of producing less. Then again, selling out of a huge ES, even If it's mostly from retailer allocations rather than individual orders, does give them to money to tackle these lesser-appreciated characters in the first place, so I can't say this would be my ideal scenario honestly.

candyrocket786
01-20-2018, 01:13 PM
I see specfiction have him for $989. I’ve seen him go as low as $700 on eBay brand new from some trusted sellers. There is some good prices to be had. That’s why I’m only pre ordering the ones I think will go up in the after market and buying the ones I don’t think will, later. Prices come down heavily after a few months.

Yeah... I think several factors contribute to the falling prices:

1. Gray Market/Middlemen hoarding product to control demand. We use to see pics of this sort of thing months ago. Not sure if it's an issue now.

2. Gray Market/Middlemen getting stuck with overstock (i.e. Mysterio, Kraven, Medusa, etc) because of the above or because customers defaulted on their order. This is why you see various product bundles or rock bottom prices. Hell... I've seen US listings where collectors are pretty much losing their ass just to get rid of a piece.

3. Customers Defaulting on Pre-orders. I'm pretty sure this is a huge issue, probably more than XM is willing to admit. Collectors in debt, running out of space, getting out of the game, getting married, getting divorce, having a baby, supporting both a wife and several girlfriends, losing a job, saving to buy a custom piece, saving for a sex-change... the reasons are endless (valid or not), but it does happen. So it does lead to the seller trying to figure out how to pay XM and move the product quickly. Hence, the reason you'll see a Mysterio on eBay and/or B/S/T for roughly $600-$700 USD.

4. Competition with Customs (and some amazing ones at that). Since White Magneto has been announced how many other Mags are in development? The RCB version is now in collectors hands and you have several more making an appearance. Hell... XM's Omega Red was just announced and now I've seen pics of a custom piece being designed that will rival it. The Customs scene has definitely altered the game.

NorthernLadMSP
01-20-2018, 01:17 PM
I thought we were talking about Mysterio. We got confused. The scorpion price is pretty good but I’m on the fence about this piece because I simply just can’t own them all even though I wish I could. I’m confident if I want, I can get it for less than that price eventually after a few months

Ah. I don't have Mysterio, but I've definitely considered picking him up at some point.

candyrocket786
01-20-2018, 01:22 PM
Ah. I don't have Mysterio, but I've definitely considered picking him up at some point.

There's one on eBay right now for $750 with free shipping.:eek: Its tempting, but I may still wait for it to go lower.

WolverineFan
01-20-2018, 01:22 PM
Yeah... I think several factors contribute to the falling prices:

1. Gray Market/Middlemen hoarding product to control demand. We use to see pics of this sort of thing months ago. Not sure if it's an issue now.

2. Gray Market/Middlemen getting stuck with overstock (i.e. Mysterio, Kraven, Medusa, etc) because of the above or because customers defaulted on their order. This is why you see various product bundles or rock bottom prices. Hell... I've seen US listings where collectors are pretty much losing their ass just to get rid of a piece.

3. Customers Defaulting on Pre-orders. I'm pretty sure this is a huge issue, probably more than XM is willing to admit. Collectors in debt, running out of space, getting out of the game, getting married, getting divorce, having a baby, supporting both a wife and several girlfriends, losing a job, saving to buy a custom piece, saving for a sex-change... the reasons are endless (valid or not), but it does happen. So it does lead to the seller trying to figure out how to pay XM and move the product quickly. Hence, the reason you'll see a Mysterio on eBay and/or B/S/T for roughly $600-$700 USD.

4. Competition with Customs (and some amazing ones at that). Since White Magneto has been announced how many other Mags are in development? The RCB version is now in collectors hands and you have several more making an appearance. Hell... XM's Omega Red was just announced and now I've seen pics of a custom piece being designed that will rival it. The Customs scene has definitely altered the game.

Very well said. I agree with everything except customs to a degree. I don’t think it effects competition too much just because let’s just say 3-5% actually are on these forums or use Facebook/social media for their statue needs, that’s not a lot of people. I don’t think most people are aware customs even exist or let alone know how to find them. Obviously it can effect a small percentage, which is us but for me personally I don’t buy customs. I’ve been tempted many times but for me it’s just not work the risk of a statue potentially have a nice sculpt but the paint is terrible, statue is hollow, etc. I feel more comfortable with a licensed product which I’m sure people feel that way too so the percentage goes even more down.

WolverineFan
01-20-2018, 01:24 PM
Ah. I don't have Mysterio, but I've definitely considered picking him up at some point.

There's one on eBay right now for $750 with free shipping.:eek: Its tempting, but I may still wait for it to go lower.

The guy on eBay who is selling it for $750 is a good seller. He also has a site. Trustworthy

NorthernLadMSP
01-20-2018, 01:30 PM
The guy on eBay who is selling it for $750 is a good seller. He also has a site. Trustworthy

I have to wait. I'm already going to be getting XM Catwoman and Poison Ivy. Then Storm. Then probably white Magneto and eventually I'll want a Batman to go with Catwoman and Ivy. That's more than enough LOL.

candyrocket786
01-20-2018, 01:30 PM
I’ve been tempted many times but for me it’s just not work the risk of a statue potentially have a nice sculpt but the paint is terrible, statue is hollow, etc. I feel more comfortable with a licensed product which I’m sure people feel that way too so the percentage goes even more down.

Yeah... I use to have the same perception and then I received my first custom and then several more. It's been a great experience so far. Some amazing groups out there and folks with a great eye for art direction.

In regards to the XM pricing woes, one of my guys is giving some thought to dropping them. Just tired of folks skipping out on orders and doesn't think it's really worth the cost given the little profit they generate.

NorthernLadMSP
01-20-2018, 01:33 PM
Yeah... I use to have the same perception and then I received my first custom and then several more. It's been a great experience so far. Some amazing groups out there and folks with a great eye for art direction.

In regards to the XM pricing woes, one of my guys is giving some thought to dropping them. Just tired of folks skipping out on orders and doesn't think it's really worth the cost given the little profit they generate.

It's quite surprising for me to hear people skip out after paying $300-400 deposits. I can definitely not afford to just throw that kind of money away. I don't even like losing Sideshow's $50 deposits LOL.

candyrocket786
01-20-2018, 03:14 PM
It's quite surprising for me to hear people skip out after paying $300-400 deposits. I can definitely not afford to just throw that kind of money away. I don't even like losing Sideshow's $50 deposits LOL.

They are probably thinking that a $300 loss is better than coming up with the additional $600+ balance and then the $250-$300 shipping on top of that. Then you have the chaotic XM release schedule where 3-4 pieces could be shipping within in a month.

It definitely adds up.

Mr. Nice Guy
01-20-2018, 07:55 PM
Is the Spec Fiction price of $879 not cheap enough?

I got burned. Paid full jam for Mysterio and I’ve seen him at $600 CAD!!! The XM spidey villains are amazing but they die hard in aftermarket. Vulture, Kraven, Mysterio...all well under retail. I’m still waiting on a great deal on Lizard. It will come.

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KELPIE
01-21-2018, 09:20 PM
I got burned. Paid full jam for Mysterio and I’ve seen him at $600 CAD!!! The XM spidey villains are amazing but they die hard in aftermarket. Vulture, Kraven, Mysterio...all well under retail. I’m still waiting on a great deal on Lizard. It will come.

I think you'll find this is only a short term scenario.

Once these statues get into collectors hands they will be very hard to acquire and as such, the price will go up.

immortalblade
01-21-2018, 09:26 PM
I got burned. Paid full jam for Mysterio and I’ve seen him at $600 CAD!!! The XM spidey villains are amazing but they die hard in aftermarket. Vulture, Kraven, Mysterio...all well under retail. I’m still waiting on a great deal on Lizard. It will come.

The smart money to to wait on 99% of these preorders unless it's a A lister. Even then, the piece should be stunning and not a run of the mill. The reason most of XM's products loosing steam after release is that the characters are second or third tier, and the high price.

immortalblade
01-21-2018, 09:35 PM
I think you'll find this is only a short term scenario.

Once these statues get into collectors hands they will be very hard to acquire and as such, the price will go up.

I don't think that's going to be the case in this current market because of the over saturation of products from many companies. Add to that the high price and people are more selective now than ever specially when the companies are taking money out of the aftermarket with the high prices. There are only so many people willing to pay $1000 for second or third tier characters.

immortalblade
01-21-2018, 09:40 PM
Yeah... I use to have the same perception and then I received my first custom and then several more. It's been a great experience so far. Some amazing groups out there and folks with a great eye for art direction.

In regards to the XM pricing woes, one of my guys is giving some thought to dropping them. Just tired of folks skipping out on orders and doesn't think it's really worth the cost given the little profit they generate.

I'm surprised to hear people are willing to forgo a few hundred bucks and drop their preorders. Then again it's better to lose $400 than have to cough up another $800 - $900 including shipping. The seller shouldn't lose any money considering he/she got the non refundable deposit.

candyrocket786
01-22-2018, 01:32 AM
I'm surprised to hear people are willing to forgo a few hundred bucks and drop their preorders. Then again it's better to lose $400 than have to cough up another $800 - $900 including shipping. The seller shouldn't lose any money considering he/she got the non refundable deposit.

True, but there would still a balance owed to XM. It's no different than me pre-ordering a bunch of Sideshow pieces at my LCS and the skipping town. The LCS keeps my deposit but they still have to come up with the funds to pay Sideshow (assuming SS extends a line of credit to authorized resellers)

KELPIE
01-22-2018, 10:28 PM
I don't think that's going to be the case in this current market because of the over saturation of products from many companies. Add to that the high price and people are more selective now than ever specially when the companies are taking money out of the aftermarket with the high prices. There are only so many people willing to pay $1000 for second or third tier characters.

Except for the fact that because it's a second or third tier character, these are likely to become the ultimate statue of said character.

I doubt there will be a better 1/4 Mysterio ever. Hence, if anyone wants to setup a Spider-Man rouges gallery, he'll be the one collectors look for.

Doctor Doom
01-22-2018, 11:19 PM
Just my take...Scorp is a fantastic Spiderman villain… Anyone who is into Spiderman rogues knows that the only other statue of him out there is Bowen’s. XM’s offering looks very damn impressive… I ordered him right off and can’t wait to get it. Definitely displaying him with the classic head!:DJsmile:

WolverineFan
01-22-2018, 11:21 PM
Except for the fact that because it's a second or third tier character, these are likely to become the ultimate statue of said character.

I doubt there will be a better 1/4 Mysterio ever. Hence, if anyone wants to setup a Spider-Man rouges gallery, he'll be the one collectors look for.

These are the definite statues of these characters no doubt but they won’t hold the value of $1000-$1100 that’s including shipping into the price. There has already been proof of that with numerous xm pieces. I’m confident I can get this for $800-$900 shipped eventually

Wurmtongue
01-22-2018, 11:33 PM
I had that bowen. for its time it was the definite scorpion statue to have, but this is on another level. gotta have this and mysterio. id like to see a green goblin or hobgoblin from xm, but hopefully nothing like ive seen from sideshow which is a mess.

Bmutha
01-23-2018, 12:20 AM
These are the definite statues of these characters no doubt but they won’t hold the value of $1000-$1100 that’s including shipping into the price. There has already been proof of that with numerous xm pieces. I’m confident I can get this for $800-$900 shipped eventually

Not going to say you won't be able to get a deal on this down the road, but keep in mind their new MTO edition sizes. Mysterio, Kraven, Sandman all had fairly high ES for those characters...Scorpion could be much lower.

risingstar
01-23-2018, 12:34 AM
Not going to say you won't be able to get a deal on this down the road, but keep in mind their new MTO edition sizes. Mysterio, Kraven, Sandman all had fairly high ES for those characters...Scorpion could be much lower.



MTO is the better way to go, assuming this has not been the case up until now. Seeing all these XM pieces sell for below retail is impacting confidence in the pre-ordering process. I remember Bowen going through a similar phase where lower editions became the norm for a spell (i.e., around the time Doc Ock was produced) and it created this rejuvenation in the product in the aftermarket, at which point, pre-orders picked up again. XM has some of its best stuff coming out this year. Things should pick up.

WolverineFan
01-23-2018, 01:14 AM
Not going to say you won't be able to get a deal on this down the road, but keep in mind their new MTO edition sizes. Mysterio, Kraven, Sandman all had fairly high ES for those characters...Scorpion could be much lower.

That is a very valid statement that I didn’t take into consideration. The MTO will be very telling with these new pieces and if XM decides to start lowering ES than the after market may not be beneficial anymore. We will soon see!

Obi Wan
01-29-2018, 04:01 PM
Pre-orders end wednesday.. i'm gonna make sure i get mine ����

Spec Fiction
01-29-2018, 05:22 PM
That is a very valid statement that I didn’t take into consideration. The MTO will be very telling with these new pieces and if XM decides to start lowering ES than the after market may not be beneficial anymore. We will soon see!

yes THIS.

jayre213
02-28-2018, 10:05 PM
There's one on eBay right now for $750 with free shipping.:eek: Its tempting, but I may still wait for it to go lower.

I just bought one off the statue collector group for 590 shipped! I been wanting a mysterio and finally acquired one below retail.

Korath24
07-05-2018, 07:50 PM
Any idea when this guy is supposed to start shipping? I have been thinking of trying to pre-order, but I' afraid it's too late to get this one for retail.

Spec Fiction
07-06-2018, 12:08 AM
Any idea when this guy is supposed to start shipping? I have been thinking of trying to pre-order, but I' afraid it's too late to get this one for retail.

ships 3rd quarter. Not too late to PO

Korath24
07-12-2018, 10:43 AM
Edition size for this guy is 300 according to one of the Facebook groups I’m in.

Looks like this guy won’t be too easy to score a deal on the aftermarket. I was gonna PO, but went with Doc Ock instead.

Subby1938
07-12-2018, 04:20 PM
300 ES that can’t be right

GaryTonge
07-12-2018, 05:14 PM
300 ES that can’t be right

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Subby1938
07-12-2018, 06:58 PM
Wow! I may have to get this

built2shred
07-12-2018, 07:02 PM
I'm surprised Darth Maul is only 270..... Those who got it will have a very rare statue...

Spec Fiction
07-12-2018, 08:00 PM
300 ES that can’t be right

100% true

Master Pizza
07-12-2018, 08:18 PM
Such a great looking statue. It's really a shame it won't find its way into more collections.

WolverineFan
07-12-2018, 09:13 PM
100% true

I was thinking about ordering it and I went to see the price again from your site and the pay in full option is gone but the other options are available. Why is that?

Divo
07-12-2018, 10:05 PM
WoW, just shocking that a great looking statue is being limited to a mere edition size of 300 units. What does it mean? Pricing too high? Saturated market? Does not make sense.

built2shred
07-12-2018, 10:11 PM
I was thinking about ordering it and I went to see the price again from your site and the pay in full option is gone but the other options are available. Why is that?

I imagine he only sets aside so many statues at the discount "pay in full" price... business is business... got to pay the electric bill :)

built2shred
07-12-2018, 10:12 PM
WoW, just shocking that a great looking statue is being limited to a mere edition size of 300 units. What does it mean? Pricing too high? Saturated market? Does not make sense.

Combination of all that plus people only have so much display space so unless they're really into that character or just collecting that IP, they probably hold out for more popular characters.

It is a awesome statue though...

GaryTonge
07-12-2018, 11:18 PM
I'm surprised Darth Maul is only 270..... Those who got it will have a very rare statue...

ES aside, I've got both Scorpion and Darth Maul coming and I'm super stoked about it.

slickrick
07-13-2018, 11:25 AM
ES aside, I've got both Scorpion and Darth Maul coming and I'm super stoked about it.

Oh wow, when are Scorpion and Darth Maul scheduled to be released? I've been procrastinating on those two..