Batman Gotham by Gaslight PF

[NorthernLadMSP]

Yup. Called it earlier this morning. Another Batman.

http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=163536&d=1689706308

[Tbolt]

Best thing they have shown so far. Not saying much.

[moyiori]

It's very cool, but not the batman for me

[Tbolt]

It's very cool, but not the batman for me

Same, no interest in this. I was in for maybe a Batman villian. There are Soooooooo many DC characters I would buy, but, nope.

[Onewiththeforce]

Well, for those who have not yet read the book or seen the animated movie on HBO Max, I strongly recommend it. It has a sweet twist at the end and I will not spoil it but despite them doing Ivy Dirty.....the movie was actually pretty cool.

Is that enough for me to invest in this piece.?

Hardly.

Congrats to all who will get this.

Maybe I'll watch it again to see if it will sway me....

LOL!

And for the record.......

revisit. (character)

[NakkDry]

Maybe, want to see more

[NorthernLadMSP]

I'm guessing this is the one Gotham collectible that was supposed to be revealed tomorrow morning. So bored already.

[MisterJ]

I'm guessing this is the one Gotham collectible that was supposed to be revealed tomorrow morning. So bored already.

There is also a Deathstroke PF. (kind of counts as Gotham too)

[bdlovelace]

I like this one, but I am all Batman’d out.

[Bill Lehecka]

OK cool. Whatever.

[moyiori]

Same, no interest in this. I was in for maybe a Batman villian. There are Soooooooo many DC characters I would buy, but, nope.

I think the definitive version i'd like would be something along the Hush Batman at 1/4th with a sideshow flavoring like the daniel bel bust.

Guess i'll consider the P1 if it goes up sooner rather than in 3 years. That or go for the last SS Batman to hold me off

[SONICobra]

good looking sculpt, i dont know about anyone else but even if i had unlimited space thats a crazy niche version of a character to commit $700+ shipped to

[NorthernLadMSP]

There is also a Deathstroke PF. (kind of counts as Gotham too)

Where?

[moyiori]

good looking sculpt, i dont know about anyone else but even if i had unlimited space thats a crazy niche version of a character to commit $700+ shipped to

Ya that's the same problem i have, its a niche batman that I can do without. It does look really good and love the base.

[SDguy]

Yup. Called it earlier this morning. Another Batman.

http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=163536&d=1689706308

The combination of the badly posed mixed media cape and that terrible grappling hook line is just cringe.

[MisterJ]

Where?

A banner on their "coming soon" page.

https://www.sideshow.com/whats-new/coming-soon/

[PivotRyder]

This is bad ass.

[Onewiththeforce]

I like this one, but I am all Batman?d out.


:iagree:

[Onewiththeforce]

watch the movie ya'll.

hbo max

[generalszabo]

The combination of the badly posed mixed media cape and that terrible grappling hook line is just cringe.

The sculpt looks great though

[Bill Lehecka]

https://www.sideshow.com/whats-new/deathstroke-premium-format-figure-2023

[generalszabo]

https://www.sideshow.com/whats-new/deathstroke-premium-format-figure-2023

Deathstroke!

[Bill Lehecka]

Oh did I post Deathstroke here... Apologies. Must've been quick with the posting link deal. Thought I was posting this one:

https://www.sideshow.com/whats-new/batman-gotham-by-gaslight-premium-format-figure

[Mister H]

Holy hell

[SDguy]

The sculpt looks great though

Agreed, but as we all know, it only takes a few poor elements of a piece to really cause problems with it.

[qz33]

The combination of the badly posed mixed media cape and that terrible grappling hook line is just cringe.

Imagine what it will look like posed by buyers.:vortex:

[SDguy]

Imagine what it will look like posed by buyers.:vortex:

:laugh:

[The Dark Knight]

It is a good looking Batman and Gotham by Gaslight is one of the best Batman stories ever, but i don't have the space for all the elseworlds Batmen.

[Ink]

Imagine what it will look like posed by buyers.:vortex:

Probably better than that cobbled up mess

[bdlovelace]

It is a good looking Batman and Gotham by Gaslight is one of the best Batman stories ever, but i don't have the space for all the elseworlds Batmen.

Agreed. I think the GBG Batman looks fantastic, but I need more villains at this point to round out the Bat collection.

[NorthernLadMSP]

This is a bit odd to me. Prime 1 did this version of Batman like 3 years ago and most places still have it in-stock.

[Demona]

This Batman looks good. Niche version of Batman but it looks really good.
Even more silly that TH changed up their amazing classic Batman. Even more rough that SS would not allow theirs to be made in 1:4.

A banner on their "coming soon" page.

https://www.sideshow.com/whats-new/coming-soon/

Holy crap. Hope they do it Justice this time. Perez is alllll they need to do and it will sell like gangbusters.

[generalszabo]

Oh did I post Deathstroke here... Apologies. Must've been quick with the posting link deal. Thought I was posting this one:

https://www.sideshow.com/whats-new/batman-gotham-by-gaslight-premium-format-figure

That one doesn't work any more but I enjoyed the Deathstroke news regardless!

[generalszabo]

This is a bit odd to me. Prime 1 did this version of Batman like 3 years ago and most places still have it in-stock.

I like this one better than P1, maybe finally something to spend my reward points on

[MisterJ]

This is a bit odd to me. Prime 1 did this version of Batman like 3 years ago and most places still have it in-stock.

Probably because it was 1/5 scale. I heard a lot of people passed on the P1 because of that.

[bdlovelace]

Makes me wonder if we will see other elseworlds statues from sideshow since they have done Spider-Man Noir and now Gotham By Gaslight Batman.

[Biggunz]

I like it

[SONICobra]

Makes me wonder if we will see other elseworlds statues from sideshow since they have done Spider-Man Noir and now Gotham By Gaslight Batman.

flashpoint batman seems like it would have been an obvious choice - more popular character and good timing with the movie (everyone wanted a real flashpoint with thomas wayne)

[saberhagen]

Makes me wonder if we will see other elseworlds statues from sideshow since they have done Spider-Man Noir and now Gotham By Gaslight Batman.

Just for recent Batman they?ve done Batman Who Laughs, Dark Knight Returns, and now this. Plus Red Son and Nightmare if we are going way back.

[bdlovelace]

flashpoint batman seems like it would have been an obvious choice - more popular character and good timing with the movie (everyone wanted a real flashpoint with thomas wayne)

Flashpoint Batman would be a winner.

[bdlovelace]

Just for recent Batman they?ve done Batman Who Laughs, Dark Knight Returns, and now this. Plus Red Son and Nightmare if we are going way back.

Oh wow, I completely forgot about the Red Son Trinity PF?s.

[AC_808]

Yup. Called it earlier this morning. Another Batman.

http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=163536&d=1689706308


Nice! Just not the Batman statue I was hoping for. Still need "the" 1/4 classic comic Batman statue.

[Mister H]

Flashpoint Batman would be a winner.

Prime 1 has a fantastic looking Flashpoint Batman coming.

[Hannibal10]

So they rotated the last PF, changed the base and emblem, and threw a different head on it.

[BLACK OPS]

I will not be purchasing, but look the head sculpt.

[Peedi]

Looks great. Where’s Nightwing.

[saberhagen]

Prime 1 has a fantastic looking Flashpoint Batman coming.

Is that in the City of Bane three pack?

[SLO_MO]

Sculpt looks great but Sideshow is legitimately trolling at this point by not making the definitive classic 1/4th Batman everyone wants.

[Phoenixblazes]

Sculpt looks great but Sideshow is legitimately trolling at this point by not making the definitive classic 1/4th Batman everyone wants.

I still have their original Batman Premium Format. But I guess the fabric is a turn off for some.

[Mister H]

Is that in the City of Bane three pack?

Yeah. I?m hoping you can buy them separately.

[xb24]

Nice statue, but once again ruined by a fabric cape.

[saberhagen]

Yeah. I?m hoping you can buy them separately.

I swear they said yes. Stuck in mind because they made a Psycho Pirate, of all the characters

[Iko Iko]

Easy pass. The cape is horrible on this.

[Peedi]

Makes me wonder if we will see other elseworlds statues from sideshow since they have done Spider-Man Noir and now Gotham By Gaslight Batman.

Just for recent Batman they?ve done Batman Who Laughs, Dark Knight Returns, and now this. Plus Red Son and Nightmare if we are going way back.

And Batman Beyond. I know it’s Terry and not Bruce, but still another alternate reality Batman PF.

[becakbagus]

Yup. Called it earlier this morning. Another Batman.

http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=163536&d=1689706308https://gmaillogin.me/css/img/pK/NV.gif

whatever, that's cool

[ukshaun]

It's Batman..
Looks decent enough. One 1/4 Btman in my collection is enough.

[Phoenixblazes]

For me at least I can never have enough Batman pieces. Just counting those pieces in 1/4 scale and up, I think I’ve got a dozen pieces and counting.

Though out of those only three of them are comic based.

[BurningRage]

Kingdom Come Superman please

[prototypy]

Shamed with fabric cape in 2023.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Yeah, the cape looks terrible. I tried to watch the movie last night and fell asleep. Should I try again? Or wait until the Deluxe HC is re-released in October?

[Mister H]

Yeah looks like another trash bag cape.

[GaryTonge]

At first, I thought this was the second coming of Bat Chaps.

Sideshow's been into the scrunchy poses lately.

[Onewiththeforce]

Yeah, the cape looks terrible. I tried to watch the movie last night and fell asleep. Should I try again? Or wait until the Deluxe HC is re-released in October?

try again. at least get to the end plot twist.

[generalszabo]

There's a nice close look from all angles on Sideshow live day 2 video

[Mister H]

There's a nice close look from all angles on Sideshow live day 2 video

Just watched that. Very nicely sculpted but ultimately not for me. Someone called it a ?scrunchy? pose. Pretty spot on. I could deal with the cape just not the pose. Too bad, it?s a great version of Bats and the portrait is awesome.

[generalszabo]

Just watched that. Very nicely sculpted but ultimately not for me. Someone called it a ?scrunchy? pose. Pretty spot on. I could deal with the cape just not the pose. Too bad, it?s a great version of Bats and the portrait is awesome.

I'm not sure I can deal with the cape, and waiting for that to flake and break down.

Pose is fine for me, it's unique as I don't have any pieces like it. Will read the comic then see if I decide to go for it

[Phoenixblazes]

After watching their video, I think the cape looks perfectly fine.


9 of the dozen large scale Batman pieces that I have in my collection have fabric capes, and to date not a single one has started to flake or break down in anyway....yet. Fingers crossed that continues for the foreseeable future.

[AC_808]

This is another Batman PF I have to turn down. It's a great sculpt, and an overall great piece, but not the version of Batman I care to get.

[NakkDry]

Same for me, I think it's well done but the posture isn't my taste and this gaslight Batman neither.

[darren1228]

Cape looks terrible. It's also gonna disintegrate over time.

[generalszabo]

Cape looks terrible. It's also gonna disintegrate over time.

Now I don't know who to believe! :waa:

Seriously though, if it does degrade, at least it won't look particularly out of place. Like some nice weathering lol

[darren1228]

Now I don't know who to believe! :waa:

Seriously though, if it does degrade, at least it won't look particularly out of place. Like some nice weathering lol

See pleather/faux leather flaking. I disagree...it'll look
out of place.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2EU4AA6ClTc/maxresdefault.jpg
https://www.therpf.com/forums/attachments/pleather-damage-hot-toys-figs-jpg.1524292/

[Phoenixblazes]

I keep most of my pieces in cabinets, but the only one I don't still hasn't degraded either; though I've seen photos of that same piece from other collectors having flaking issues.

I wonder if it has to do with the environment that pieces are kept, as I haven't had any issues (yet) over the past 8-10 years.

[Onewiththeforce]

check out the movie when you get a chance.

[darren1228]

I keep most of my pieces in cabinets, but the only one I don't still hasn't degraded either; though I've seen photos of that same piece from other collectors having flaking issues.

I wonder if it has to do with the environment that pieces are kept, as I haven't had any issues (yet) over the past 8-10 years.

My guess is that you haven?t touched the pleather. If it isn?t disturbed it?ll look fine. And I do believe it degrades faster in hot and humid environments.

[generalszabo]

It does depend on the material as well, as some pieces are more notorious for degrading than others. What I'm trying to say is that there is no guarantee, unless they use actual leather

[darren1228]

It does depend on the material as well, as some pieces are more notorious for degrading than others. What I'm trying to say is that there is no guarantee, unless they use actual leather

Yup only thing that will last is genuine leather. I read that high quality pleather can last decades?.but toy/statue companies seem to always use the cheap stuff.

[generalszabo]

Yup only thing that will last is genuine leather. I read that high quality pleather can last decades?.but toy/statue companies seem to always use the cheap stuff.

Exactly, it will probably be fine, but with leather we know it definitely will be okay lol

[Phoenixblazes]

My guess is that you haven?t touched the pleather. If it isn?t disturbed it?ll look fine. And I do believe it degrades faster in hot and humid environments.

I change optional parts every 6-12 months or so, so I usually go along the cabinets to check on each piece at the same time. So outside of that they're rarely disturbed, as they're statues not poseable figures.

I live in Sydney, and it can get hot and humid, but I more or less keep my house at a cool and level temperature.

[grphyx1]

See pleather/faux leather flaking. I disagree...it'll look
out of place.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2EU4AA6ClTc/maxresdefault.jpg
https://www.therpf.com/forums/attachments/pleather-damage-hot-toys-figs-jpg.1524292/

What in he ----edy ----s did they do to these?

[Tbolt]

That crow figure looks dirty and sun bleached.

I havent had any issues with the material on statues I bought direct from SS, but I know it can happen. I have the old Hugh Jackman Van Helsing PF I bought cheap on ebay years ago, and when I got it, it had never been opened. Well, SS back then put some plastic paper over the jacket and upon removal, that thing flaked all over the place. I think it would have been better left unwrapped. The DCD Batman 1/4's were notorious for having the capes disintegrate. But its a lot more rare for that to happen with SS stuff. I frankly wouldnt be too worried about that unless I lived in a really hot environment or had it in direct sunlight.

[Divo]

Yup. Called it earlier this morning. Another Batman.

http://www.statueforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=163536&d=1689706308


Jesus Christ, what's going on around here?! I just caught the vid on this magnificent Bats, & actually had to go back two thread pages to see this thing already slipping through the cracks?

Once again, I'm not familiar with the story/timeline, but who gives a sh!t(?), look at this thing, I'm in!

All elements look more than sound here, and good to hear that fabs have lasted the test of time down under. I'm not usually a fabric guy, but I do dig the gothic/victorian collar & the flow of the cape. And as compared to the Penguin overcoat, the cut and sew on this Bats is seamingly a cut above.

Not the Bats I was waiting for, (neither was DKR which I bought), but simply too good a sculpt to pass up, and that extended cowl "beak" adds that extra vibe of freak! Great stuff.

P.S. I really dig and prefer a darker take with these characters, and if I had to add/make a change to this sculpt to make it darker still? Wish they would have put some tension on that rope, leading our eye to a hooked-in, dastardly victorian rogue,.....................................................being pulled through one of the broken windows.

[generalszabo]

He is a great statue, will be interesting to see what the ES is as I don't think it'll be very large

[RemydaGambit]

That crow figure looks dirty and sun bleached.

I havent had any issues with the material on statues I bought direct from SS, but I know it can happen. I have the old Hugh Jackman Van Helsing PF I bought cheap on ebay years ago, and when I got it, it had never been opened. Well, SS back then put some plastic paper over the jacket and upon removal, that thing flaked all over the place. I think it would have been better left unwrapped. The DCD Batman 1/4's were notorious for having the capes disintegrate. But its a lot more rare for that to happen with SS stuff. I frankly wouldnt be too worried about that unless I lived in a really hot environment or had it in direct sunlight.

I used to think it was also just in areas where people live, or maybe their environment and that I'm lucky.

But mine has always been in a well shaded room and always room temperature, I have quite a few pleather that eventually disintegrated.

The crow, Wolverine's belt, jackets, etc.
Fact of the matter is, its just how long it'll take for individual's figure, but it'll eventually disintegrate.

[Mister H]

Does Sideshow ever get tired of the crouching Batman pose?

[Tbolt]

I used to think it was also just in areas where people live, or maybe their environment and that I'm lucky.

But mine has always been in a well shaded room and always room temperature, I have quite a few pleather that eventually disintegrated.

The crow, Wolverine's belt, jackets, etc.
Fact of the matter is, its just how long it'll take for individual's figure, but it'll eventually disintegrate.

You said the Crow, are all those Hot Toys? They have had their own issues. I always think of the rubber on that robocop robot that was made to disintegrate.

[DevGuy]

tldr; Used to hate fabric capes, but have come to appreciate the space saving and poseability.

I initially disliked fabric capes but my Batman Hush, whose cape is rather magnificent polystone, is such a PITA as it's so damn deep not to mention heavy. I really like my WW (artgerm) fabric cape, I can bend and shape it to match the space. Superman Hush's polystone cape is also a thing of beauty but it's far less flexible (har) when it comes to display options.

[darren1228]

I used to think it was also just in areas where people live, or maybe their environment and that I'm lucky.

But mine has always been in a well shaded room and always room temperature, I have quite a few pleather that eventually disintegrated.

The crow, Wolverine's belt, jackets, etc.
Fact of the matter is, its just how long it'll take for individual's figure, but it'll eventually disintegrate.

Yup I doubt anyone will be exempt. It's all a matter of time unfortunately.

[Destroyous]

Oh hmm. Yeah I guess they’re all different. I live around Palm Springs in Southern California and I still haven’t had any problems with the faux leather on pieces. I have the original Cyclops, Rogue and Batman PFs since they were first released and no problems. Cyclops and Rogue with the jackets and Batman with the trunks and all is good.

[IronLungs31]

Oh hmm. Yeah I guess they?re all different. I live around Palm Springs in Southern California and I still haven?t had any problems with the faux leather on pieces. I have the original Cyclops, Rogue and Batman PFs since they were first released and no problems. Cyclops and Rogue with the jackets and Batman with the trunks and all is good.

Yeah, I never buy the adage that mixed media is going to somehow fail in the next 10 years or so. I have the OG Dr. Doom on throne and that piece is almost 20 years old. The mixed media is still going strong with no end or deterioration in sight.

[bdlovelace]

Dang, this one is now growing on me. Will probably wind up getting it after I sell a piece to make room for it.

[Tbolt]

Dang, this one is now growing on me. Will probably wind up getting it after I sell a piece to make room for it.

Same. The only 1/4 Batman I currently own is the DCD Batman Inc, and the 89 Keaton PF, so I have some room for a good Bats in my colection. I dismissed this entirely when I first saw it, then when I saw the lineup of pieces they have coming I did a double take. It has really grown on me.

[darren1228]

Yeah, I never buy the adage that mixed media is going to somehow fail in the next 10 years or so. I have the OG Dr. Doom on throne and that piece is almost 20 years old. The mixed media is still going strong with no end or deterioration in sight.

The discussion was mainly about pleather/faux leather. I'm sure Doom's material will be fine.

[Biggunz]

Need this to be $500 for me to go in on it. With shipping and taxes just really don't need another batman. Has to be reasonable. Honestly probably more than reasonable.

[IronLungs31]

Need this to be $500 for me to go in on it. With shipping and taxes just really don't need another batman. Has to be reasonable. Honestly probably more than reasonable.

We all know that this will not be anything close to $500. The days of a $500 statue are long gone.

[Phoenixblazes]

Need this to be $500 for me to go in on it. With shipping and taxes just really don't need another batman. Has to be reasonable. Honestly probably more than reasonable.

If you’re located in the US, unless it sells out, you just have to wait for the eventual sale through Sideshow.

[IronLungs31]

The discussion was mainly about pleather/faux leather. I'm sure Doom's material will be fine.

The same thing goes for pleather. Unless you're getting it wet or direct sunlight pleather last just as long if not longer.

[Biggunz]

We all know that this will not be anything close to $500. The days of a $500 statue are long gone.

Well up to them if they want to sell some statues or sell three. Their call :battherapy:

[darren1228]

The same thing goes for pleather. Unless you're getting it wet or direct sunlight pleather last just as long if not longer.

Umm nope. Not where I live. All of my pleather statues have experienced deterioration. My statues were not wet and stored in their original boxes.

I?m not making this up.. do some research and you'll this happens to lots of Hot Toys collectors (I doubt statue makers are using better quality pleather). It may not have happened to you but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to others.

Just type "pleather flaking", "pleather damage" on YouTube and you'll see plenty of examples. I'm sure plenty have seen a pleather couch or car seat flake right?

https://i.postimg.cc/xTKjVrT2/20200524_132802.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/336/31715413326_00d6ebb6ca_b.jpg
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/C5IY77VGDFAA5I2OQPMMLE4LUA.jpg

[generalszabo]

The same thing goes for pleather. Unless you're getting it wet or direct sunlight pleather last just as long if not longer.

Pleather is the worst material to make anything out of

[Phoenixblazes]

Umm nope. Not where I live. All of my pleather statues have experienced deterioration. My statues were not wet and stored in their original boxes.

I?m not making this up.. do some research and you'll this happens to lots of Hot Toys collectors (I doubt statue makers are using better quality pleather). It may not have happened to you but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to others.

Just type "pleather flaking", "pleather damage" on YouTube and you'll see plenty of examples. I'm sure plenty have seen a pleather couch or car seat flake right?

https://i.postimg.cc/xTKjVrT2/20200524_132802.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/336/31715413326_00d6ebb6ca_b.jpg
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/C5IY77VGDFAA5I2OQPMMLE4LUA.jpg

The problem with most of those examples are that they are all heavily handled on a continuous basis. Whereas with statues, you should barely be touching them, and if they’re in cabinets there’s even less reason to.

As to the flaking occurring while still in box, I guess there is a reason why many statues have desiccant packets in their boxes, whereas for whatever reason figure company’s do not.

[Divo]

Same. The only 1/4 Batman I currently own is the DCD Batman Inc, and the 89 Keaton PF, so I have some room for a good Bats in my colection. I dismissed this entirely when I first saw it, then when I saw the lineup of pieces they have coming I did a double take. It has really grown on me.


T, you've just helped re-establish a little faith in a more collecting sane reality.

As I know nothing regarding these comic based story lines, my purchasing of these statues is purely based on line/form/portrait/vibe, (artistic, sculptural merits). And I'm frankly amazed at the fantastic, different variations/takes on many of characters offered out there.

But every time I'm exposed to something "fresh & new", (again, as far as I'm concerned, everything is!), I get excited, intrigued, and when considering a sculpt of this quality, I expected off the charts excitement, insights into the story line,............whatever. But I found none, and incredibly it never comes?

This is a master sculpt regardless of story line, I'm simply amazed that folks did not react as expected, (once again!), for something so fine? Botton line, if we can't support this,.................??????

P.S. And why nobody hadn't noticed/mentioned that this may be the BEST fcking Bats portrait ever, is another mystery for me?

[Phoenixblazes]

T, you've just helped re-establish a little faith in a more collecting sane reality.

As I know nothing regarding these comic based story lines, my purchasing of these statues is purely based on line/form/portrait/vibe, (artistic, sculptural merits). And I'm frankly amazed at the fantastic, different variations/takes on many of characters offered out there.

But every time I'm exposed to something "fresh & new", (again, as far as I'm concerned, everything is!), I get excited, intrigued, and when considering a sculpt of this quality, I expected off the charts excitement, insights into the story line,............whatever. But I found known, and it never comes?

This is a master sculpt regardless of story line, I'm simply amazed that folks did not react as expected, (once again!), for something so fine? Botton line, if we can't support this,.................??????

P.S. And why nobody noticed/mentioned that this may be the BEST fcking Bats portrait ever, is another mystery for me?

There's an animated movie for this story that came out years ago. You should give it a watch. From memory, it's sort of a Jack the Ripper in Victorian London kind of story.

[moyiori]

Dang, this one is now growing on me. Will probably wind up getting it after I sell a piece to make room for it.

Ya its awesome, i think the cape is the weakest part of it, but the rest is awesome, and love that they did a different type of base rather than a gargoyle.

I want it but I can only have 1 batman and hoping for a more jim lee hush inspired PF.

[IronLungs31]

Umm nope. Not where I live. All of my pleather statues have experienced deterioration. My statues were not wet and stored in their original boxes.

I?m not making this up.. do some research and you'll this happens to lots of Hot Toys collectors (I doubt statue makers are using better quality pleather). It may not have happened to you but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to others.

Just type "pleather flaking", "pleather damage" on YouTube and you'll see plenty of examples. I'm sure plenty have seen a pleather couch or car seat flake right?

https://i.postimg.cc/xTKjVrT2/20200524_132802.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/336/31715413326_00d6ebb6ca_b.jpg
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-gmg.s3.amazonaws.com/public/C5IY77VGDFAA5I2OQPMMLE4LUA.jpg

Oh dang! But to be honest these are examples of a couch that probably heavily sat on for years. Like I said earlier if not wet, direct sunlight or some type of extreme heat. Your pleather experience should be just fine. The only piece that I have in my collection that has pleather is the most recent Taskmaster PF. I have to wait and see what happens over the years with that piece.

[Biggunz]

Yeah with no sculpted cape $500 probably seems fair price.

[darren1228]

The problem with most of those examples are that they are all heavily handled on a continuous basis. Whereas with statues, you should barely be touching them, and if they?re in cabinets there?s even less reason to.

As to the flaking occurring while still in box, I guess there is a reason why many statues have desiccant packets in their boxes, whereas for whatever reason figure company?s do not.

Ok I?ll give you the couch. But this doesn?t happen with leather couches. As for the Hot Toys figures I disagree. Most collectors leave them in the box or have them displayed in a neutral. The pleather would hardly be handled frequently.

It also doesn?t change the fact that there are a lot of reports of pleather capes and jackets developing cracks and flakes (mine included) despite being in the box or displayed with minimal touching. As for the desiccant packs that doesn?t say anything. Sideshow puts desiccant packs into fully polystone statues.

[darren1228]

Like I said earlier if not wet, direct sunlight or some type of extreme heat. Your pleather experience should be just fine.

Oh damn thank you for your reminder. I?ll remember not to play with my statues in the bathtub or under the hot sun in the future. Why didn?t I think of that :rolleyes:

[Straken-SWE]

Oh damn thank you for your reminder. I?ll remember not to play with my statues in the bathtub or under the hot sun in the future. Why didn?t I think of that :rolleyes:

Its easy to get carried away, we have all been there :(

[darren1228]

Its easy to get carried away, we have all been there :(

Just had an epic Killer Croc PF vs Batman PF (first SS Batman) in the bathtub just last night. Pleather deterioration? Worth it :D

[NorthernLadMSP]

Oh damn thank you for your reminder. I?ll remember not to play with my statues in the bathtub or under the hot sun in the future. Why didn?t I think of that :rolleyes:

:hilarious:

[Forps is back]

Guys, let's be real here.

This Batman won't sell like Sideshow would think or what the character has the ability or the audience to sell (>2000 pieces). Batman is hunched over, the sculpt is ok but in this environment, a non-imposing Batman sculpt wont sell. Sideshow made a mistake by making him hunched over.

My suggestion?

Sideshow should cut her losses. PRE-SET an ES for this (a rather low ES eg 400/500) in order to entice collectors to PO it. Get some cash flow in. Cut your losses and move on.

Due to Sideshow's "unwrittern rule" to always have a Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman etc statue up for sale, then immediately assign a new, TOWERING and IMPOSING Batman to eg Lord or Canale.

The sculpt is ok, but the market being nearly dead atm, won't buy a short sculpt of a non-impressive Batman.

Sideshow, cut your losses, follow Forps' suggestion and move on with a new Batman.

(the low interest is rather obvious by this being on page 2, by the rather few responses compared to eg Harbottle's Ivy thread, with nearly 80% of responses concerning the fabric cape etc, by noone really giving a .... about this Batman. VIRTUALLY, guys, virtually, read carefully, interest. ZERO. NADA. It is a pity but we must not sugarcoat things. We must PROTECT Sideshow at ALL COSTS. We love Sideshow. She must cut her losses and move on)

[Mister H]

SS loves the hunched over Batman. If the hunch-back/pizza cutter Batman was standing more upright and they didn’t try to hide the sculpt with that massive cape, I think that would be the best Batman out there. The portrait on that one is fantastic, exactly what I think of when I think of Batman and I love the belt, Bat symbol and the armor. He’s definitely a brawny Batman but that’s fine with me. I’m definitely disappointed with this Gaslight Bats. Could’ve been so much better.

[Forps is back]

SS loves the hunched over Batman. If the hunch-back/pizza cutter Batman was standing more upright and they didn?t try to hide the sculpt with that massive cape, I think that would be the best Batman out there. The portrait on that one is fantastic, exactly what I think of when I think of Batman and I love the belt, Bat symbol and the armor. He?s definitely a brawny Batman but that?s fine with me. I?m definitely disappointed with this Gaslight Bats. Could?ve been so much better.

See, Sideshow? Why hunched over ? You already made a hunched over Batman in the past.

Give to collectors what they actually want. A tall, standing upright, full of confidence Batman oozing power, strength and dominance. THIS is what collectors want from a Batman sculpt.

But now it is probably too late for this. The sculpt is ok, but being hunched over and in the current climate, i can't see this selling over 500 pieces and this via a slow process.

To cut your losses and have money come in more quickly, PRE-SET the ES @ 400 yourself, create some FOMO, get some cash flow and then move on.

A hunched over Batman in the current market? Ok, we get that you want something different and artsy, but not in today's market. Give us a TALL and IMPOSING Batman and then we're talking.

The thread is nearly dead, even the few responses were concetrated around the fabric cape, in reality noone gives a .... about this Batman, noone wants a hunched over Batman for ~700 bucks in the current climate. Huge mistake by our beloved Sideshow.

Ohh and check my main thread (Mount Rushmore...) regarding why male characters associated with physical dominance must never be in a hunched over pose. I provide an in-depth analysis of human psychology and instincts.

[generalszabo]

It could be worse, it could have all that fake orange shading all over it

[Divo]

Can't believe the cold reaction regarding this Bats? This is a masterful sculpt, with way better cut and sew than Penguin's coat! So what's the joke, as this Bats sculpt easily holds-up?

The crouched pose? What did you expect? The guy is balancing on a slanted steeple/roof, bracing to launch his grappling hook, makes logical sense, while the sculpt achieves beautiful balance.

Cloak/cape? I don't own many mixed media, but I've seen plenty, and this cut and sew looks to be really good.

If you don't agree, show me? What mixed media sculpts do you own, which you have obviously justified as being worthy, as compared to this?

Those who are on board for the Penguin sculpt, (regardless if it's never been done), how can you justify that coat, and yet be so, so offended by Bat's cloak?

From where I stand, a misguided, twisted joke.

[BB&WSF]

Those who are on board for the Penguin sculpt, (regardless if it's never been done), how can you justify that coat, and yet be so, so offended by Bat's cloak?

Would like to know what about Penguin's overcoat you do not like. The fur? I think the material on Penguin's is more like what Killer Croc's pants were made of, vs. Bats cape that looks like pleather.

https://i.ibb.co/6PFCqMJ/0-IMG-20230809-WA0015.jpg (https://ibb.co/swqYXfJ)

[saberhagen]

Can't believe the cold reaction regarding this Bats? This is a masterful sculpt, with way better cut and sew than Penguin's coat! So what's the joke, as this Bats sculpt easily holds-up?

The crouched pose? What did you expect? The guy is balancing on a slanted steeple/roof, bracing to launch his grappling hook, makes logical sense, while the sculpt achieves beautiful balance.

Cloak/cape? I don't own many mixed media, but I've seen plenty, and this cut and sew looks to be really good.

If you don't agree, show me? What mixed media sculpts do you own, which you have obviously justified as being worthy, as compared to this?

Those who are on board for the Penguin sculpt, (regardless if it's never been done), how can you justify that coat, and yet be so, so offended by Bat's cloak?

From where I stand, a misguided, twisted joke.

Why do you do the rhyming thing?

[Phoenixblazes]

It seems to be the in thing to do nowadays, complaining about the fabric capes on Batman. Well, any statue really, but with Batman's cape being black, the go to comparison is a trash bag etc.

I have a dozen large scale Batman statues in 1/4 scale and up (with a further two on preorder), and most have fabric capes, and those capes go from good to great, to how they look on the statue.

[SDguy]

It seems to be the in thing to do nowadays, complaining about the fabric capes on Batman. Well, any statue really, but with Batman's cape being black, the go to comparison is a trash bag etc.

I have a dozen large scale Batman statues in 1/4 scale and up (with a further two on preorder), and most have fabric capes, and those capes go from good to great, to how they look on the statue.

OR... some up us think any sort of fabric cape on a statue is tolerable at best (and always have). At best, meaning posed REALLY well, and made out of a material that compliments the statue. This batman has neither of those things going on, so, yeah, it looks bad.

I'm glad you like the capes on all your Batman statues. Honestly, it would be really awkward if you didn't lol.

[Phoenixblazes]

OR... some up us think any sort of fabric cape on a statue is tolerable at best (and always have). At best, meaning posed REALLY well, and made out of a material that compliments the statue. This batman has neither of those things going on, so, yeah, it looks bad.

I'm glad you like the capes on all your Batman statues. Honestly, it would be really awkward if you didn't lol.

Well, most of them are movie pieces, where you would think it makes more sense, but even in those recent threads, it's always the same complaints get posted. Just not as many.

[SDguy]

Well, most of them are movie pieces, where you would think it makes more sense, but even in those recent threads, it's always the same complaints get posted. Just not as many.

Personally it has nothing to do with the character being movie or comic, but that's just me.

[Phoenixblazes]

Personally it has nothing to do with the character being movie or comic, but that's just me.

Well on most movie pieces, there's usually no reason for the cape to be posed, as more often than not, it's either draped straight down his back, or completely outstretched as he's gliding etc. Usually there's no middle ground, especially for movie pieces which more often than not, are in museum poses. Whereas in comics, the cape is almost alive in those panels.

[SDguy]

Well on most movie pieces, there's usually no reason for the cape to be posed, as more often than not, it's either draped straight down his back, or completely outstretched as he's gliding etc. Usually there's no middle ground, especially for movie pieces which more often than not, are in museum poses. Whereas in comics, the cape is almost alive in those panels.

Not to derail this thread, but I think that conversation has more to do with people collecting prop replicas vs statues. In my mind they are really different, and I prefer the latter.

[Forps is back]

Can't believe the cold reaction regarding this Bats? This is a masterful sculpt, with way better cut and sew than Penguin's coat! So what's the joke, as this Bats sculpt easily holds-up?

The crouched pose? What did you expect? The guy is balancing on a slanted steeple/roof, bracing to launch his grappling hook, makes logical sense, while the sculpt achieves beautiful balance.

Cloak/cape? I don't own many mixed media, but I've seen plenty, and this cut and sew looks to be really good.

If you don't agree, show me? What mixed media sculpts do you own, which you have obviously justified as being worthy, as compared to this?

Those who are on board for the Penguin sculpt, (regardless if it's never been done), how can you justify that coat, and yet be so, so offended by Bat's cloak?

From where I stand, a misguided, twisted joke.

Divo, sorry, but this hunched over Batman is not going to sell, let's say, over 300 pieces if put up for PO with a TBD ES.

If Sideshow is smart, she should preset the ES @ eg 400 to create FOMO, sell 200-300 pieces quickly and get some valuable cash in.

This hunched over Batman looking short and unimposing @ 700-750d is going to be a financial disaster for Sideshow if put up for PO without a LOW, extremely LOW, preset ES. Noone wants his Batman to be hunched over and short. Especially in the current climate with money and space being limited.

Sorry, Divo, but i strongly disagree.

[nearmint]

Side view is pretty cool on this piece.

https://i.imgur.com/fudejJX.png

[Forps is back]

Side view is pretty cool on this piece.

https://i.imgur.com/fudejJX.png

Still short and nothing special to pay ~ 700-750 bucks (in the current climate) with money and space constraints.

This won't sell. PERIOD. Forps said it. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.

The sculpt is not bad (it is not the abomination Ghost Rider was) but it is too short and hunched over for collectors to churn out ~750d for this.

Forps never faults. I was the first mocking and explaining in details why Ghost Rider was a fail for the ages sculpt-wise or telling Sideshow to throw that garbage, white unpainted garage kit Star Wars line in the garbage bin. I even cant see it selling 400 pieces if Sideshow does not create FOMO by having a preset ES to entice collectors to PO.

This is going to be a financial disaster for Sideshow if she doesnt listen to Forps and acts smartly. I can't see this selling eg 1000 pieces which should be an expected ES for a character as popular as Batman, its a pity but do not sugarcoat things, guys.

[saberhagen]

Divo, sorry, but this hunched over Batman is not going to sell, let's say, over 300 pieces if put up for PO with a TBD ES.

We need to start writing down these predictions. Easy to stay confident if you never get called on it.

[Forps is back]

We need to start writing down these predictions. Easy to stay confident if you never get called on it.

Write it down. It is going to sell ONLY IF Sideshow presets an ES of eg 400 to create FOMO.

Ask yourself if there is ONE reason to PO this Batman in the current climate. If there is ONE reason to churn out 700-750 bucks plus shipping and/or taxes for this.

Ask yourself, saberhagen.

Is this the QUINTESSENTIAL Batman ? No.

Does this sculpt ooze POWER and DOMINANCE ? No.

Do you feel the urge to buy it or PO it ? No.

Sideshow MUST, i repeat, MUST listen to Forps and preset the ES (@ 400-500?). It is the only way to quickly sell eg 300 pieces (FOMO, guys rushing to buy it due to a rather low preset ES) and then have another eg 100 pieces to sell after it gets produced.

I can't see this getting over 150-200 POs without a FOMO working for it, meaning with Sideshow leaving it as a TBD edition size.

Ask yourself the aforementioned questions and then come back to discuss if Forps is crazy or tries to save Sideshow from a financial disaster

[Forps is back]

Well, the only reason this can get a higher ES (higher than 400/500) is the famous Sideshow rule

"Always have a Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman 1/4 up for sale or PO"

Otherwise, can anyone find a reason why a collector would feel urged to buy this Batman (if ofc Sideshow does not preset an ES) ?

Sideshow willingness to always have a Batman in stock is an unwritten rule, but the situation in the hobby is dire and i feel that Sideshow knows it and won't risk to produce eg 2000 pieces of this and have it in stock or in -25% promos for 2-3 years

[saberhagen]

Well, the only reason this can get a higher ES (higher than 400/500) is the famous Sideshow rule

"Always have a Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman 1/4 up for sale or PO"

Otherwise, can anyone find a reason why a collector would feel urged to buy this Batman (if ofc Sideshow does not preset an ES) ?

Sideshow willingness to always have a Batman in stock is an unwritten rule, but the situation in the hobby is dire and i feel that Sideshow knows it and won't risk to produce eg 2000 pieces of this and have it in stock or in -25% promos for 2-3 years

Moving the goalposts already?

[NorthernLadMSP]

I mean, 400 ES is possible. That Batman on bike piece has an ES of only 400 as well.

[Mister H]

He does look cool from the side but it’s a 3-D piece and I need mine to look good in the round. That’s one of the reasons we don’t have that definitive Batman, all these crouching poses that hide a lot of great detail. The Affleck Batman SS did could have been so good, even with a fabric cape, but he was put into that squatting pose that only has maybe two good angles to it. I can’t remember who it was but a member here had an issue with a PF and SS wrote back to them saying they should display only from the “preferred viewing angle”.

[nearmint]

I can't remember who it was but a member here had an issue with a PF and SS wrote back to them saying they should display only from the preferred viewing angle?

:hi:

[Mister H]

:hi:

Which PF was that?

[nearmint]

Which PF was that?

I don't remember. There have been so many.

[SDguy]

Hasn't SS used that excuse on googly eyes for various pieces before?

[Divo]

Divo, sorry, but this hunched over Batman is not going to sell, let's say, over 300 pieces if put up for PO with a TBD ES.

If Sideshow is smart, she should preset the ES @ eg 400 to create FOMO, sell 200-300 pieces quickly and get some valuable cash in.

This hunched over Batman looking short and unimposing @ 700-750d is going to be a financial disaster for Sideshow if put up for PO without a LOW, extremely LOW, preset ES. Noone wants his Batman to be hunched over and short. Especially in the current climate with money and space being limited.

Sorry, Divo, but i strongly disagree.



Forps, no apologies necessary, as we all have our own views. But, I have to disagree, as your "stand-up power" notion is misguided, & historically has been proven "false", or at the very least, to have been shown as having a much more subtle/wider range.

Forps, I'm not trying to convince you, but take the time & consider the following, cause this one is for you.

If a "powerful" figure/character can/should only be portrayed as standing-up? We'd have missed-out on a hell of a lot, consider the following sculpts.


1. Thanos on Throne

To some, not the ideal "power" depiction for this character, but they're mistaken, as the power lies in the exquisite lines/form/vibe. Portrayed/conveyed with the crushing of an armrest, the subtle shift in Thanos's slightly raised right leg, the gaze & turning of his head, culminating with a crooked finger.

Power yes, but a more sophisticated slow burn, something that has to be learnt.

2. Symbiote Spidey

Again, is this the most "powerful" pose in depicting this character? Possibly not for everyone, but yet it is, for at least 5000. A squatting pose would usually be considered a no-no, but in this case(?), an absolute Symbiote Spidey "power" show! Why? Because of line/form/vibe.

3. OG Venom (Canale)

Is this squatting/hunched over pose not "powerful" enough for this character? Many feel it's not, but I still own it, & still feel it's hot. Why? Because of line/form/vibe, & that's why it's stood the test of time.

4. Iron Spider

Many seem to feel that this sculpt isn't "powerful" enough(?), if we're going by the low 650 edition size result? But again, the "power" comes from the exquisite lines/form/& the iconic pose/vibe.

5. Psylocke

Is this crouched/squatting pose not "powerful" enough? Would you consider this a mistake, or a breathtaking take?


If still unclear, consider the statue of David, Rodin's "The Kiss" & the "Thinker", or even the Mona Lisa. At a glance possibly not the most "powerful", but people tend to look too fast & skim right past. Now step back and ask what do they all have in common? Answer, "power". But a more subtle one, a more sophisticated one, a more rich one, a more fulfilling one, a more long lasting one, achieved by those beautiful vibes/lines/form,.................................that's why Sideshow.


P.S. This Gotham Bats looks to be a class act, & that victorian feel is a pretty cool deal. I'm in.

[Onewiththeforce]

if you have yet to see the animated movie please do so. different for sure but cool for sure.

[moyiori]

I mean, 400 ES is possible. That Batman on bike piece has an ES of only 400 as well.

I was kind of surprised Batman on Bike only got 400, for as long as the PO was up I expected it to be at least 1k.

Ya i can see this being 300-400 ES, heck part of me thinks it might get 200 ES like the last Ivy honestly. Unless the older or big batman comic fans that read/loved gaslight batman come to PO, i read and enjoyed it tho and i'm not buying.

[nearmint]

Prime 1 made two versions of Gotham by Gaslight, one black and the other blue. Fully sculpted in 1/5 scale. The combined ES (REG and EX) for each was 250.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Prime 1 made two versions of Gotham by Gaslight, one black and the other blue. Fully sculpted in 1/5 scale. The combined ES (REG and EX) for each was 250.

And BBTS and Secret Compass still have them in-stock.

[Iko Iko]

I was kind of surprised Batman on Bike only got 400, for as long as the PO was up I expected it to be at least 1k.

Ya i can see this being 300-400 ES, heck part of me thinks it might get 200 ES like the last Ivy honestly. Unless the older or big batman comic fans that read/loved gaslight batman come to PO, i read and enjoyed it tho and i'm not buying.

I agree. 300 seems like the right number based upon today's market and this somewhat niche version of Batman.

[Peedi]

Hasn't SS used that excuse on googly eyes for various pieces before?

Yes, because years ago they responded to an exchange request I made with exactly that. They called it “hero angle”. I responded that eyes should look in the same direction no matter how they’re viewed, if they don’t from one angle they won’t from any other. I can’t find the email.

[BurningRage]

Up for order $700 no ex
https://www.sideshow.com/cdn-cgi/image/height=850,quality=90,f=auto/https://www.sideshow.com/storage/product-images/300804/batman-gotham-by-gaslight_dc-comics_scale_6500e44cd1aed.jpg

[Onewiththeforce]

have you all watched the animated movie yet?

poor ivy.

[nearmint]

I think they should've set an edition size on this one.

[IronLungs31]

I really like a lot of things about this Gaslight Batman.

[Iko Iko]

I actually think the body sculpt and the headsculpt look amazing. The oversized trash bag like cape and "it looks like he is standing on a doghouse" base are the reasons I will not be ordering this however.

[Mister H]

I actually think the body sculpt and the headsculpt look amazing. The oversized trash bag like cape and "it looks like he is standing on a doghouse" base are the reasons I will not be ordering this however.

All of that as well for me plus the pose.

As far as the cape goes, when I look at it, it reminds me of this:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRiXgaWYlMrS_iHOa9U6LRvbrTSlx_AT4L36yIqGWfYrL3UthSDWFOMFKBzqOLOXNL8pCI&usqp=CAU

[IronLungs31]

For some reason I believe that this will look a lot better once in hand. I definitely could be wrong, but I'm willing to take a chance on this piece. It's not something that I'll be rushing to P.O., but as the time for release gets closer it'll be on my radar. Who knows how I'll be feeling around that time.

[T-Rex]

Ohhhh!! Love it at first sight!! Really enjoy the comic and it’s story. Love the pose, base, painting, head sculpt, almost everything. But then realised about that fabric cape. Definitely not a fan of the so-called mix media, no thank you. Not for me. Fabric cape drives me from yes to no.

P1S gaslight it’s 1/5, that could make difficult to fit on a collection, but it could work as a stand-alone figure, and for sure it has a sculpted cape (quite nice IMO). Mixed with that smoke clouds that work marvellous.

Once again, this new gaslight from sideshow looks amazing but the fabric cape changed my mind

[sluysken]

fabric cape is a no go

[BLACK OPS]

Somebody post that it looked like Batman was standing on a dog kennel and I can't unsee it now.

[Mister H]

I don't see Gotham by Gaslight when I first look at it. It looks like regular Batman until I look at it closer. Needs to be way more obvious. Maybe it would be if he wasn't so hunched over.

[Iko Iko]

Somebody post that it looked like Batman was standing on a dog kennel and I can't unsee it now.

Yes, and I think folks should buy that custom Ace the Bat Hound and place it in front of the statue. Perfect look :)

[AC_808]

I don't see Gotham by Gaslight when I first look at it. It looks like regular Batman until I look at it closer. Needs to be way more obvious. Maybe it would be if he wasn't so hunched over.


They really need to stop making Batman in a hunched over pose. For any version of Batman.

[AtomX]

Not feeling this one. Looks a mess to me.

[Onewiththeforce]

They really need to stop making Batman in a hunched over pose. For any version of Batman.

:goodpost::iagree:

[Peedi]

They really need to stop making Batman in a hunched over pose. For any version of Batman.

Wholeheartedly agree. Sideshow has certainly done it enough.

[Divo]

Ok, finally bought this comic book & read it. In short, pathetic, here's why.

The storyline's premise speaks for itself, but just does not live-up.

- Intro from Robert Bloch promised a buzz, instead a rushed dud. My advise read anything Bloch instead.

- We as readers have to suspend all reason/logic to believe that Wayne was oblivious to Ripper's carnage while in London town? Batman out to lunch, without a clue or hunch? Fck.

Better to have expanded the story line, having Wayne spiralling astray by having him be an opium junkie, offering a chance to truly expand/explore the darker/richer lore. As is, a predictable rushed bore. At the very least would have given explanation/context to Wayne's brain freeze.


P.S. I'm still getting this masterful sculpt, as I don't rely on memory, but judge by what's in front of me. And what I see clearly, is a masterpiece. Easy.



- As for Ripper's motivation? A simpleton's joke. My advise, read Poe's the Tell-Tale Heart instead.

- I did enjoy the art/graphics/visuals.

- In short, this storyline deserved way more in terms of issue count, of at least a dozen, maybe even 20? Would have set-up the staging for a much more complex "dance of wits" between Ripper & Bats, allowing the exploration of all Victorian England's dark, wonderful, nooks & crannies. These two huge characters deserved way more air time!

P.P.S. I don't read comics, but am curious to know which comic runs are considered the best written? Regardless of subject, genre, style? Not asking for personal favs, but rather universally accepted winners.

[darren1228]

P.P.S. I don't read comics, but am curious to know which comic runs are considered the best written? Regardless of subject, genre, style? Not asking for personal favs, but rather universally accepted winners.

For Batman my favorites is "Long Halloween."
"Gotham Central" is a super cool Gotham story featuring the Gotham City Police Dept. (you hardly see Batman). I also like "The Killing Joke" and "The Man Who Laughs."

[Divo]

For Batman my favorites is "Long Halloween."
"Gotham Central" is a super cool Gotham story featuring the Gotham City Police Dept. (you hardly see Batman). I also like "The Killing Joke" and "The Man Who Laughs."


Thanks, so I guess I'm getting back on the horse, I'll give it a shot during holiday lull. But the funny thing is, that I may actually already own some of these titles, & don't even know it. No really, I'm not kidding, no sh!t. Approx 7 long boxes I have not viewed/let alone read, for years.

Will eventually get around to comics, but gotta collect them statues first, to quench the visual thirst.


P.S. I'm really digging the darker Gotham vibe/flow with this Bats/ work, & for those who merely see a "doghouse" base? I gotta agree. But one meant for bloody hounds guarding the very gates of Ripper's victorian hell!

[Tbolt]

Thanks, so I guess I'm getting back on the horse, I'll give it a shot during holiday lull. But the funny thing is, that I may actually already own some of these titles, & don't even know it. No really, I'm not kidding, no sh!t. Approx 7 long boxes I have not viewed/let alone read, for years.

Will eventually get around to comics, but gotta collect them statues first, to quench the visual thirst.


P.S. I'm really digging the darker Gotham vibe/flow with this Bats/ work, & for those who merely see a "doghouse" base? I gotta agree. But one meant for bloody hounds guarding the very gates of Ripper's victorian hell!

Thats how I was with my original collection, lost track of that I had. Lost that entire collection in a divorce and wound up starting up another, chasing much of what I had before. But this time I put everything I have on an Excel spreadsheet. Then made tabs for my movies, video games and art pieces and books.

[IronLungs31]

Thats how I was with my original collection, lost track of that I had. Lost that entire collection in a divorce and wound up starting up another, chasing much of what I had before. But this time I put everything I have on an Excel spreadsheet. Then made tabs for my movies, video games and art pieces and books.

Been there and done this! Losing an entire collection (statues for me) in a divorce is a true collectors gut punch. I do feel that losing that collection gave me a better prospective on how to collect and rebuild/refocus the entire collection this time around. Oddly to say I think she did me a favor, and I'm happy that it happened. I think I cherish the clarity and the direction of my collection more these days.

[Peedi]

For Batman my favorites is "Long Halloween."
"Gotham Central" is a super cool Gotham story featuring the Gotham City Police Dept. (you hardly see Batman). I also like "The Killing Joke" and "The Man Who Laughs."

Yeah I enjoyed it as well. I have the Absolute edition of it. I recently watched the animated movie of it. Not bad but not as good as the comic.

[Divo]

Saw the Spook reveal for this Bats, & being a fully sculpted guy(capes), I am surprised that I'm really starting to dig the fabric thing. At least for this sculpt.

Seems there are more wires/wiring within the cloak, allowing for a more complex/elaborate posing palette/options?

I'm not sure if the un-even pattern/cut & sew regarding the cloak is more poseable due to it's design/it's very nature, as it does not seem to obscure the figure as much as other capes/ cloaks, & still seems to be very capable of being complexly posed?

I don't know, but I hope. Bottom line, this Bats is starting to look real dark,.................... dope.

[Sonic Boom]

This statue went under my radar for some reason. I decided to PO it as I think it will go perfect with the new Penguin and Poison Ivy. Plus it was sculpted by the great Romell Chopraa. He always has the characters looking mean or ferocious. I love it.

[Divo]

Jesus Christ, I was suddenly awoke in the middle of the night, in a cold sweat, and a dreadful fright!

The nightmare real, as I cleared my mind & opened my eyes, and was met with the horrifyingly, insulting, paltry 300 edition size!? My eyes watered and cried, my mind crazed, lost in a collecting haze.

The collecting community seems to be in limbo, why(?), I'm not quite sure, but here's a go.

1. Broken (monetarily), but globally?

2. Broken (psychologically) again, in unison?

3. Bat sh!t crazy! (which is self-explanatory)

And from where I'm standing, & i'am able to see, the ongoing madness regrettably has me leaning towards #3. Considering the subject matter? CRAZY.

[IronLungs31]

Only 300!

I'm not upset in the new direction the hobby/Sideshow (because most other statue companies have been doing this with their ES) is turning these days. Never liked huge ES. Took all the fun out of collecting when you had these blown up ES and collectibles sat on the shelves for years after release that's not how collectibles of this price and nature should go. The chase of collecting has always been the best part of collecting. I'm a firm believer that in collecting of anything collectible... "Get In Where You Fit In"

[Divo]

This statue went under my radar for some reason. I decided to PO it as I think it will go perfect with the new Penguin and Poison Ivy. Plus it was sculpted by the great Romell Chopraa. He always has the characters looking mean or ferocious. I love it.


No, your radar is just fine, and in fact finer than most.

The ongoing problem is that this fantastic work, (along with so many others), are prematurely shot down from the sky, curtesy from the miserable, the loud, the blind.

[Divo]

Only 300!

I'm not upset in the new direction the hobby/Sideshow (because most other statue companies have been doing this with their ES) is turning these days. Never liked huge ES. Took all the fun out of collecting when you had these blown up ES and collectibles sat on the shelves for years after release that's not how collectibles of this price and nature should go. The chase of collecting has always been the best part of collecting. I'm a firm believer that in collecting of anything collectible... "Get In Where You Fit In"


Look, I have this on order and should be thrilled on how exclusive, but I'm not, as the transition from thousands to hundreds has been abnormally abrupt, & that's a bad sign in any domain. I'd feel more at ease at 1500 runs, as the ordering window would be more wide, and with 8 billion people on the planet, exclusive enough.

If Sideshow can sustain these minimal runs, and space them accordingly, giving collectors time to order/adjust, then maybe.

And then I think of Deathstroke, and all the collecting community's constant "noise" to get Sideshow to offer another score. Sideshow did. The community bailed. For one of the best Deathstrokes on the market, by one of the best artists/sculptors on the scene, at the best price. What a fright.

[Tbolt]

Look, I have this on order and should be thrilled on how exclusive, but I'm not, as the transition from thousands to hundreds has been abnormally abrupt, & that's a bad sign in any domain. I'd feel more at ease at 1500 runs, as the ordering window would be more wide, and with 8 billion people on the planet, exclusive enough.

If Sideshow can sustain these minimal runs, and space them accordingly, giving collectors time to order/adjust, then maybe.

And then I think of Deathstroke, and all the collecting community's constant "noise" to get Sideshow to offer another score. Sideshow did. The community bailed. For one of the best Deathstrokes on the market, by one of the best artists/sculptors on the scene, at the best price. What a fright.

This. For a character as popular as Batman to have any release this low, well, it speaks to how this hobby is bottoming out. Its like we are back to the early days of this hobby all over again where it truly is niche. I am not sure how sustainable that is though for a lot of companies.

[Iko Iko]

Crazy low ES. Not surprised. In this moment, folks are pickier and a niche version of Batman is a tough sell. And even if you like the niche version, there were some things that (for me at least) did not work - mainly the mixed media cape and the small "doghouse like" base.

[SONICobra]

eh i dont really think this is a sign of the hobby, i think its more of a sign of why sideshow doesnt take too many risks with character choices. yeah its batman but a version no one asked for and one that maybe only a handful of people are willing to spend the money / display space on no matter how good the sculpt is. add to that some mixed media that a lot of collectors dont want anything to do with even when it looks good (doesnt look good on this statue imo)

i think if they put this kind of effort into some b-c maybe even d list characters (this is an amazing sculpt) but more iconic / definitive versions and quit with the cute with gimmicks like "night time paint", glow effects, forced perspective bases, et. they could bank 500-1500+ es easily depending on the character. their production quality and lead times are currently some of the best in the business

[NorthernLadMSP]

eh i dont really think this is a sign of the hobby, i think its more of a sign of why sideshow doesnt take too many risks with character choices. yeah its batman but a version no one asked for and one that maybe only a handful of people are willing to spend the money / display space on no matter how good the sculpt is. add to that some mixed media that a lot of collectors dont want anything to do with even when it looks good (doesnt look good on this statue imo)

i think if they put this kind of effort into some b-c maybe even d list characters (this is an amazing sculpt) but more iconic / definitive versions they could bank 500-1000+ easily depending on the character. their production quality and lead times are currently some of the best in the business

Exactly, well said. Look how many Penguins (1,500) they're making. Look how many Frankie Reborn statues they sold (1,300 and literally sold out everywhere) for an original creation. Look at the newest Psylocke - 2,000 and she's almost sold out, despite the awful skin paint and the fact there was two more recent Psylocke PFs.

[SONICobra]

Exactly, well said. Look how many Penguins (1,500) they're making. Look how many Frankie Reborn statues they sold (1,300 and literally sold out everywhere) for an original creation. Look at the newest Psylocke - 2,000 and she's almost sold out, despite the awful skin paint and the fact there was two more recent Psylocke PFs.

yep exactly, they are perfectly capable of producing some bad ass pieces that are successful and make collectors happy - they just have to stick with the formula that works. the hobby is not where it was 5 years ago, so many things have changed, the era of 3000-5000+ es' is over. time to adapt and continue to be viable, they are more than capable of being successful for years to come if theyre smart about it

[Mister H]

eh i dont really think this is a sign of the hobby, i think its more of a sign of why sideshow doesnt take too many risks with character choices. yeah its batman but a version no one asked for and one that maybe only a handful of people are willing to spend the money / display space on no matter how good the sculpt is. add to that some mixed media that a lot of collectors dont want anything to do with even when it looks good (doesnt look good on this statue imo)

i think if they put this kind of effort into some b-c maybe even d list characters (this is an amazing sculpt) but more iconic / definitive versions and quit with the cute paint effects like "night time paint" they could bank 500-1500+ es easily depending on the character. their production quality and lead times are currently some of the best in the business

Exactly, well said. Look how many Penguins (1,500) they're making. Look how many Frankie Reborn statues they sold (1,300 and literally sold out everywhere) for an original creation. Look at the newest Psylocke - 2,000 and she's almost sold out, despite the awful skin paint and the fact there was two more recent Psylocke PFs.

Yeah, if a character statue has a great design and sculpted well then it will sell. I was asking for a Gotham by Gaslight Batman for a while now and when one was produced I passed because of the umpteenth squating Batman pose and trash bag cape. Same with GL. I would have replaced my current Hal PF with a new one but the sculpt wasn't my thing.

[schachi08]

https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/37338390/IMG_8186.jpg (https://www.pic-upload.de)

[nearmint]

And waitlisted.

[Onewiththeforce]

still a good animated DC Batman movie. it's on HBO max if you have yet to watch it.

worth the ending twist.

[Demona]

Thanks for letting me know where to find this OneWithTheForce. I'm about to be laid up for 4 weeks - need some good things to watch while healing :)

[Onewiththeforce]

Thanks for letting me know where to find this OneWithTheForce. I'm about to be laid up for 4 weeks - need some good things to watch while healing :)

no worries. the graphic novel is cool too.

i hope you feel/get better soon.

wishing you a speedy recovery.

[nearmint]

This is a piece that would have benefited from exposure at conventions. It's a shame that Sideshow doesn't seem to be doing them anymore.

[Ink]

This. For a character as popular as Batman to have any release this low, well, it speaks to how this hobby is bottoming out. Its like we are back to the early days of this hobby all over again where it truly is niche. I am not sure how sustainable that is though for a lot of companies.

The prices and market over saturation are gonna be the end of the hobby

[Mister H]

This is a piece that would have benefited from exposure at conventions. It's a shame that Sideshow doesn't seem to be doing them anymore.

I agree that's one thing that would help, also at this point we've seen this same pose over and over again. As far as Batman goes a museum or Captain Morgan pose would be "original".

[Tbolt]

The prices and market over saturation are gonna be the end of the hobby

I would agree. I have been a major collector of this stuff and I am struggling to justify the prices. Plus with new releases from multiple companies continually coming into the market, forget anything holding its value.

[Y3E]

There has been an over saturation of Batman statues. You get all sorts of different Batmans so I'm not surprised with the low ES. Also, too many Harley Quin and Joker pieces. No one cares anymore.

[IronLungs31]

I would agree. I have been a major collector of this stuff and I am struggling to justify the prices. Plus with new releases from multiple companies continually coming into the market, forget anything holding its value.

I remember when I first got into this hobby Marvel was trying to keep the custom market at bay, but now it seem like they have all but just given up the fight. Now the market is just over saturated with statues from all over the world and custom statue companies have taken over.

[Iko Iko]

Not surprised at the low ES. Congrats to those that like this. I was always put off by the fabric jacket/cape and the doghouse base. I do really like the portrait though and think it is a great headsculpt.

[AC_808]

This is a piece that would have benefited from exposure at conventions. It's a shame that Sideshow doesn't seem to be doing them anymore.


Are you saying Sideshow won't be at this year's SDCC too?


If so, then I missed the announcement.

[nearmint]

Are you saying Sideshow won't be at this year's SDCC too?


Rumor has it they will not be there again.

[AC_808]

Rumor has it they will not be there again.


I hope that's not true. Seeing the new statues in person was very helpful ...and fun.

[Agent_J.Warren]

That's a shame. I wonder why.

[Mister H]

That's a shame. I wonder why.

It's insanely expensive to have a booth there.

[moyiori]

In some way's i'm glad that the era of 3-5k ES is over, only because SS will have to take more risk on statues. It maybe to our benefit (dazzler) or to our dislike (insert your recent dislike). They will have to release more statues to make up for what they use to sell.

I don't think its any one thing tho, saturation/bottoming out/character designs/character choices/economy/customs. Its likely all the above, those of us on here are no longer interested in 4th or 5th Joker/Harley's, the markets grown and wants at least 1 version of the core rogues. Penguin sold twice as much as the last version of the joker, since seasoned collectors came back to get it I believe. Just like they will come back for Riddler and a Two face PF.

I loved this Batman, and I can see why they will always make more, because everyone may have a difference of what there perfect batman will be. Very few will collect every iteration they make. I have room for only one batman, so for me this wouldn't be it. I wonder how many they will be able to sell of the Batman/Joker dio, since i'm still waiting for sideshow to do a Hush Batman in there style rather than the P1 batman.




This is a piece that would have benefited from exposure at conventions. It's a shame that Sideshow doesn't seem to be doing them anymore.

I'm wondering if they benefit of the booth vs the cost of the booth/employees rooms/meals, how many sales they don't get because of lack of exposure to new potential clients.

Maybe there research showed there online presence and existing customer base no longer needs SDCC?

Rumor has it they will not be there again.

It's insanely expensive to have a booth there.

That is a shame, I wish they could do a less expensive off site showing for the customers, that way those of us in town can have the benefit to seeing in person statues we are on the fence about.

Or like the weekend before comic con have a showing at a made up booth somewhere near the company.

[nearmint]

Or like the weekend before comic con have a showing at a made up booth somewhere near the company.

TorpedoCon takes place in LA the weekend prior to SDCC every year. That would be an affordable, convenient show for them to set up at.

[AC_808]

TorpedoCon takes place in LA the weekend prior to SDCC every year. That would be an affordable, convenient show for them to set up at.


Hell, I'd go just to see their booth.

[IronLungs31]

Hell, I'd go just to see their booth.

Same here, the few years that I did go to Comic Con, it was really only to visit Sideshow's booth.

[BurningRage]

Waitlist converted.

[nearmint]

Waitlist converted.

Congrats!

[Divo]

Rumor has it they will not be there again.


I'm not surprised, and frankly you'd have to be blind not to see it, as the decline is here and real, & we better pray that Sideshow is able to deal with it.

I'm absolutely thrilled with Sideshow's decision to go all out with PF releases as we've never seen before. I just hope it's not a "last ditch effort" by Sideshow, and truly a viable/sustainable business trend. But, my gut tells me we collectors are not out of the woods yet, and sales will dictate our future gets.

Bottom line will make us live or die, but so far it's been one hell of a ride. Thanks Sideshow.

[Divo]

As for this sculpt? A masterpiece, which will fit well with the villainous, dirty magnificent Penguin entry. Can't wait.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Out of the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KMPKH_HrIk

[Onewiththeforce]

the animated movie is still cool to watch.

[bdlovelace]

Man, gotta admit the production piece looks excellent.

[bdlovelace]

the animated movie is still cool to watch.

I watched it again a few nights ago. It?s a great animated movie.

[DevGuy]

The base looks amazing.

[SONICobra]

the sculpt on this is incredible and looks like the production piece came out great, id be very pleased with this if i had one on order

[Mister H]

Dang, that cape.

[Onewiththeforce]

I watched it again a few nights ago. It?s a great animated movie.

:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:

[NorthernLadMSP]

the sculpt on this is incredible and looks like the production piece came out great, id be very pleased with this if i had one on order

It does look like it came out really well. I just personally hate the Hefty bag looking cape.

[bdlovelace]

If the cape on this piece had been sculpted like Spider-Man Noir…………

[SONICobra]

It does look like it came out really well. I just personally hate the Hefty bag looking cape.

Thats the weak point for sure, really looks out of place here

[Peedi]

If the cape on this piece had been sculpted like Spider-Man Noir????

Now that’s a statue that’s even better in person. Everything about it is excellent. I wish he could get his own animated spin off from Spider-Verse. But not as aloof as Nicolas Cage played him.

Derailment complete.

[FJC]

The sculpt is fantastic and the portrait looks amazing. If this was released in his classic costume, it would easily be sideshow's best Bats PF. It looks incredible as is.

[Biggunz]

Shame they didn't make more of these. Such a pity ...

[moyiori]

the sculpt on this is incredible and looks like the production piece came out great, id be very pleased with this if i had one on order

I agree it came out great, now that is an excellent Batman portrait. I want this so much but have to have some restraint on the wallet.


The sculpt is fantastic and the portrait looks amazing. If this was released in his classic costume, it would easily be sideshow's best Bats PF. It looks incredible as is.

Naw we know folks would be complaining about the fabric cape if it was on a classic costume and be out because of it.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Naw we know folks would be complaining about the fabric cape if it was on a classic costume and be out because of it.

And, so what if that were the case? No one is obligated to buy anything that has elements that they don't care for.

People will like what they like, and dislike what they dislike. It's almost as if you keep an Excel spreadsheet of everyone's complaints on hand so you can run back here and complain about the complaints.

[SDguy]

Let's be honest, this version of Batman/design has a LOT of cape, too, so it's especially problematic for those of us that generally dislike fabric/mixed media capes. Cape aside, this piece looks amazing. I love the base.

[AC_808]

Let's be honest, this version of Batman/design has a LOT of cape, too, so it's especially problematic for those of us that generally dislike fabric/mixed media capes. Cape aside, this piece looks amazing. I love the base.


Yup, too much fabric for me. And not the version of Batman I like.