Do you want this site YOUR way, or the CHEAP way??

[galactus]

OK folks, let's try to start an intelligent, rational and NON-ARGUMENTATIVE discussion about the direction the forum is going to.

Buying, Selling, Trading, advertising of ebay auctions/retail sites, sales at stores.... These seem to be the main points of contention as of late (certain Bowen "fiascos" aside). There are two main reasons why Drod has set a policy againsts these things.

1) Deals gone bad. Basically, we don't want threads and threads and threads of arguments or badmouthing which have, do, and will arrise due to a deal gone bad, whether intentional or not. Simply put, Drod and the Mods don't want to deal with it. Each of us has a job, family (well, some of us) and regular issues to deal with in our lives. Trying to determine if someone ripped off someone else, and dealing with the threads and complaints, is not something we want to do.

2) Comicstatues.com. Face it, the money which Drod makes off of his business is the money which runs the forum. While he does not overtly push comicstatues.com, he asks that people refrain from pushing other businesses as well. It's not a matter of "I'm going to advertise, but no one else can!!" (which, in all honesty, is his RIGHT to do seeing as this forum IS his). Drod is enough of a person to say "I'M not going to advertise, so I ask that no one else advertise either".

Now, there are ALWAYS going to be exceptions to the rule. Bowen, Gentle Giant, Hard Hero.... These are the companies which make the products we love, so they are ALWAYS going to get preferential treatment when it comes to "soliciting" their products. We know that you can order direct from them, but that is a chance the forum will take, in exchange for their participation. Having Randy interact with members or Rob showing the newest HH release is one of the main reasons that a lot of people come.
At the same time, Sculpters and artists a like will always be welcome to show their newest piece. How many people have worked with Bowen, Sideshow and other places due to their showcasing of products on either here, or the original Bowen forum? Again, their participation and "solicitation" only helps to further add to this hobby as a whole.
Us Mods. Yeah, we get special treatment. We're Drods "Boys", or however we're referred to. Well, we have to deal with all of the issues and complaints and everything else. I hate to tell you, I haven't had to make any adjustments to my income tax as a result. I do it to help out Drod. I do it because I hope that I'm a fair guy 99% of the time (those who think not, sorry about that).

But, the main reason I am posting is to ask YOU, the members, what a good solution to our problems would be. Now, try to be fair. Just saying for Drod to suck it up, let the forum run wild, and see what happens isn't going to happen. He DESERVES to be compensated for his efforts. The funny thing about the whole situation is that the only payment he ever wanted was a little respect and for a few simple rules to be followed. Seems like there are a lot of people who can't ante up even that. So, should we turn this entire site into a pay site? Should you need to pay a monthly fee to get on? Should there be a BST section that only paid members can get into? Should we just leave it be, turn the mods into Stormtroopers (not SW, but the WWII versions) and just "deal" with anyone we think is out of line and let the few people who are "agreeable" remain?

What does everyone think is a feasible and viable solution??

[Sam Wilson]

a yearly fee, or required purchase from comicstatues.com is what I say.

[Tetragrammaton]

I think more detail could be included in the B/S/T rules post.

Things like not linking to E-bay auctions and online stores should be explicit. Maybe even some examples of what is and what isn’t acceptable might be good to have.

While I know the mods can't be everywhere at once, some obvious threads are left up for days or more. One recent thread comes to mind where someone was selling his collection. The title said, “Selling my collection” but it was left up. This makes it more difficult to understand where the line is being drawn.

[galactus]

I think more detail could be included in the B/S/T rules post.

Things like not linking to E-bay auctions and online stores should be explicit. Maybe even some examples of what is and what isn’t acceptable might be good to have.

While I know the mods can't be everywhere at once, some obvious threads are left up for days or more. One recent thread comes to mind where someone was selling his collection. The title said, “Selling my collection” but it was left up. This makes it more difficult to understand where the line is being drawn.

The BST rules are, admitantly, a work in progress. When errors are pointed out to us, they are corrected. Simply put, if you're not sure about something, you probably shouldn't do it. If you STILL can't decide what to do, ask someone else who you think has a good head on their shoulders. Again, the ONLY reason we don't want a BST (which we infer to mean between fellow collectors) is that we don't want to deal with the arguments which will arrise.

EVERYONE on here searches ebay. There should never be a reason to post a particular auction. If it's such a good deal, hit the auction yourself and then pass along the item to someone else. If you know that someone in particular is looking for something, send them an e-mail, PM, or call them if you have their number. If they can't read their e-mail or PM box, they're not going to see your post anyway, so why clog the system.

And, in terms of a thread being up which shouldn't be, you hit it on the nose. We can't be everywhere and see everything all the time. You know what I say to that, oh well. Someone managed to get one through. We'll delete it when we see it, and send a PM to the person who posted it and inform them of our rules. If that SAME person does it again, they're out. This is one of those situations which has no right or wrong answer. I don't expect people to PM the mods to tell us about a thread which shouldn't be up (unless it is offensive in some way), but I don't expect people to try and slip something by us either.

We all want to have fun here, and contrary to popular belief, we are trying to do what is best in the long run for the forum by implementing these rules.

[MONSTER]

My only concern is there needs to be clear cut guidelines regarding posting of sales on other websites.

Even Zurb got caught up in the Tower sale and posted in the thread.

One of the main reasons I come to this site is to find out about the newest releases, exclusives, etc. It is because of this site I got numerous exclusives I would have missed out on. It would be a shame if we are no longer allowed to discuss these items and their releases.

[wktf]

a yearly fee, or required purchase from comicstatues.com is what I say.
If this were either/or then that would work for me.

[Nightcrawler777]

B/S/T/ is really a Non Issue..
D Rod doesnt want it..
End of Story..

If you want to sell something put it on Ebay...


As far as people causing trouble on the forum as of late i say you go with your Stormtrooper idea..

The general mood of the Forum has really gone down hill in the last few months..
This has nothing to do with the Mods, the forum rules, or exclusive statues..
The blame falls completely on the Forum Members themselves..
Its time everyone starts getting along and treating each other with respect..
This place used to have a very Close Nit Community Feel..
It needs to be like that again...
If you cant play nice there isnt a place for you here...

End of Story..

[candyrocket786]

Should there be a BST section that only paid members can get into?

Actually, that isn't a bad idea.

[galactus]

Well, I just updated the BST rules again, more to reword things than actually add anything new.

Monster - In terms of exclusive items, I always thought those rules were faily clear, but I reworded them as well. Basically, if there is a particular (exclusive) item which is only going to be distributed through certain channels, we have no problem with a thread being created. To my recollection, we have NEVER deleted any thread announcing a Bowen exclusive being available, a Star Wars piece going up on Sideshow or Starwarsshop, or anything of a similar nature. It is the same as your question concerning exclusives available at the comic con. If that is the ONLY place to get it, then we have no problem with you creating a thread asking if anyone would like help in getting one. We just don't want threads and links to the 2000 retail sites/flippers that picked them up to make a quick buck.

[Ish]

Should there be a BST section that only paid members can get into?
sure why not, i'm down with that. :buttrock:

[Léon]

I'd pay a yearly fee, no prob. And I'm not even having trouble with others on this forum :D

[Tetragrammaton]

The only down side of a paid forum is that it should not be misunderstood that now all rules are off. Also, I believe if someone is banned they should get their money back.

What would be be talking in terms of money?
$10 per month?

[DDura711]

So can we offer to sell something if it's REALLY rare to people?
Or is that just taboo also. What would happen if I start a post and said I have *THIS* piece for sale?

And as far as charging I bet you would have less people willing to join, unless you had a members only section say with sneak peaks in it.
But I'll just keep buying from Danny as often as I can.
Just ordered 4 more statues from him this week. :buttrock:

[galactus]

The only down side of a paid forum is that it should not be misunderstood that now all rules are off. Also, I believe if someone is banned they should get their money back.

What would be be talking in terms of money?
$10 per month?


Actually, that is the EXACT reason you have someone pay. Perhaps the thought of losing their money makes them think twice about being a wise ass or causing trouble.
As for the rules, well, some would change as a result of the forum being a pay site. Since you are helping to pay for the site, you (the members) would need to be able to set some of the "rules" too.

[DDura711]

Actually, that is the EXACT reason you have someone pay. Perhaps the thought of losing their money makes them think twice about being a wise ass or causing trouble.
As for the rules, well, some would change as a result of the forum being a pay site. Since you are helping to pay for the site, you (the members) would need to be able to set some of the "rules" too.
All I could see if the whole money/membership thing being a real pain in coca.
You'd need 1 mod just to do that, then that means more work for the other mods and that means that wolverine1 will run wild posting polls everywhere, then the mass chaos, then people running in the streets and burning buildings and SOILENT GREAN IS PEOPLE!!!!
And that's how we start becoming canables.

[Tattoo-S]

The only down side of a paid forum is that it should not be misunderstood that now all rules are off. Also, I believe if someone is banned they should get their money back.

What would be be talking in terms of money?
$10 per month?
:o R U mad.......Though I really don't like the idea @ all of a fee I would not be apposed to an annual fee that didn't exceed $10, but if your willing to pay that per mo. You need this site way more than I do. I have to admit, that having this site is a blessing in many ways. We have made some very good friends found some very nice stuff and are able to enjoy and share with others who identify with the hobby. This is a really tough thing, cause I can understand both sides of this fence. But honestly I have to say that if it goes to a paid site membership will likely decline drastically over the several months, until it dwindles down to the loyal and stubborn, but eventually I see it being abandoned in the end. How long that will take, is certainly questionable. JMO

P.S. If someone was banned, why would you refund their money. If they are paying for the use in the first place and understand that all rules are NOT off! I say that is a judgement call, and they deserve to forfeit any funds that they might have paid.

:inquisiti

[Bullseye]

I have no interest in an 'Adult' site, i don't want my missus thinking i'm subsrribing to a porno site, but i have no problem paying an annual fee. But wouldn't it be better if people simply ordered something from comicstatues. I have paid for two already and have another 4 or 5 on order and i live across the pond.

[Ish]

I have no interest in an 'Adult' site, i don't want my missus thinking i'm subsrribing to a porno site, but i have no problem paying an annual fee. But wouldn't it be better if people simply ordered something from comicstatues. I have paid for two already and have another 4 or 5 on order and i live across the pond.
:laugh: agreed maybe orderng from cs would be enough.


are we talking the whole site to be paid or just a b/s/t section?

[Nightcrawler777]

But wouldn't it be better if people simply ordered something from comicstatues. I have paid for two already and have another 4 or 5 on order and i live across the pond.

Thats what im thinking..

I dont order a ton from Danny but i think the 14 Busts and 3 FS statues i have ordered since joining the Forum should cover my costs..

Only problem being how do you make sure every forum member is buying "X" number of products a year from Comicstatues...

[Perna]

Yeah, this forum has been going downhill as of late and it's really a shame. There are a lot of good people here. Is it really that hard to get along with other members even when they don't share the same opinions as yourself? The Mods have become baby sitters and it's ridiculous. I think a fee is a good idea and I also believe that a permanent ban should be inforced on anyone who doesn't follow the rules. The entire site should be shut down for a day or two with only the rules page being available. If people have a hard time with the rules then they shouldn't post or try to be sneaky. Just my opinion. No one is perfect and members are bound to make mistakes, but lets have respect for one another.

[Sam Wilson]

yeah, I' m thinking a required purchase from comicstatues is sounding better, or a nominal yearly fee, like $10 or something like that.

[Bullseye]

yeah, I' m thinking a required purchase from comicstatues is sounding better, or a nominal yearly fee, like $10 or something like that.

Maybe another Drodfest is required.

[Ish]

adult section? i just notice that, whats that about? if there is such thing than i won't be able to come here due to religious belives and my wifes right hand.

[Sam Wilson]

adult section? i just notice that, whats that about? if there is such thing than i won't be able to come here due to religious belives and my wifes right hand.

I wouldn't be able to come here cause of my wifes right hand and her glock 17... :confused2

[Bullseye]

adult section? i just notice that, whats that about? if there is such thing than i won't be able to come here due to religious belives and my wifes right hand.

Exactly :laugh: :laugh:

[Sam Wilson]

Maybe another Drodfest is required.

maybe you need to get your a$# down to ATL for some fried chicken and jameson.

You should see the guiness glass door fridge I'm putting in my theater room bulls. (sorry to interrupt this thread, please go back to your regularly schedule discussion).

[Bullseye]

Hey glad to see your settling in at ATL. Oh yeah keep Dec 25 - Jan 01 (2006) free. Hitting NYC again. See you at Hooters:)

[Sam Wilson]

Hey glad to see your settling in at ATL. Oh yeah keep Dec 25 - Jan 01 (2006) free. Hitting NYC again. See you at Hooters:)

meh. We have to go somehwere where we can get shots of Jimmy. either that, or I bring my flask... ;)

[Bullseye]

I'll be sure and bring you a nice bottle of 12 year old Jimmy.

[Tattoo-S]

Perhaps it could be an either or situation, you purchase @ least 1 item per year from Drod, or pay an annual membership. Not to spark debate, but you would really be empowering the annual purchase issue cause obviously more money would be made this way in compmarison to a nominal fee. The problem you have here is that "outside" of the Circle we have no idea how much it costs to run the site. If you have 2,500 members at $10 year, thats a lot of dough (you can do the math)! I am fairly certain it doesn't cost that much to run the site........and then what do we get as a result.......

As much as I enjoy the site, (as stated in many other postings) I would be getting the same thing as I have now right, which still doesn't include the B/S/T, the now debunk Sneak Peaks, which if I understand can be found on other sites or if nothing else the Bowen site etc.

I know my husband posts in more places than I do, I come for the same reasons as most, to spark, debate, goof and enjoy harmless conversation. That with the occasional falling into a pit of controvery bring great humility to my existance. Most everyone is here to either gain information that they feel is readily available or to gain attention for themselves. The consistant ranting, soap boxing, bickering, sucking up and word battling are are ways of supporting each other in one way or another.

Clearly we must all make painful decisions that sometimes feel like grand sacrifices in order to co-exist. It's hard to tell people not to take thing personally, when we are human beings and feel an instinctive obligation to protect and or defend those that we feel are deserving and or unable to do so for themselves.

I am not sure what a good solution might be :( I have read all these posts and just don't see a solution. If you go with a membership people are going to want more, if you go with a mandatory purchase, people are going to feel controlled.

Maybe you should set something up where you must pay a small fee for every 1000 posts or something. You could still rake in some huge bucks. :) I don't know. Maybe you can set up a contribution wall, where if you make a minimal yearly donation you can access certain parts of the site that have been restricted up to now. Something to think about I suppose.

On that note, I bet you could also make a fortune selling the curse words, the sexually explicit pics, and so one.

Ooooh, I know, I will buy back my signature. I miss my signature. This is a good idea, I had a respectible size minded signature, and I would pay $5-6 per year to keep it. :o

[TN Reptile]

I like the idea of a pay-to-post BST thread. That way your less to get scamed, maybe. But the whole forum to be pay-to-post? It was nice knowing yall. I'm a cheap ass, I like something for nothing, this fourum would end up being getting nothing for something.
I don't like the idead of a single mod being judge, jury and executioner. As mods they should come to an agreement, maybe a vote to ban someone. Hear both sides of someones argument, not just "He said what?", "Banned!".
We've lost signatures, if it was a pay site would they come back? If it's a pay site are there going to be banners from other companies besides Son of a bid and Comic statues? Why not let other companies pay a fee to add their banner to this site?
Your heat is in the right place, but I'm afraid it's a little too far gone.

[madjazz]

There is a wrestling website I really like and they do an annual pledge drive. They accept Paypal donations and that seems to work well in defraying costs. Those that use the site more are likely to donate and it is still free so new members can be attracted. Let's not go from one extreme to another because of a few AC's.

[boondocksaint]

There is a wrestling website I really like and they do an annual pledge drive. They accept Paypal donations and that seems to work well in defraying costs. Those that use the site more are likely to donate and it is still free so new members can be attracted. Let's not go from one extreme to another because of a few AC's.


yeah ill be willing to buy a piece or donate some funds...i hate that because of a handfull of morons that this forum is being dragged down...this is a place great with great people...it really bothers me..

[Tattoo-S]

Hey guys I have wondering around the forums reading up on the whole idea of site fees.....though I am pretty much against this, while posting elsewhere, I came up with a pretty cool idea (I think) I don't know how others feel, but I really miss my signature as well as some of the signatures of others.

I had stated, that I would be willing to pay to get it back. Perhaps a one time fee to purchase or an annual minimum fee to rent it back would be the way to go.

BTW, I am talking about like a purchase price of $10-12 or an annual rental of $4-6.

I understand that there are certain guidlines for the signature and I can respect that, but if a purchase where to be involved, I think a little more space and some approval on anything I wanted would not be asking too much.

What do you all think?

[galactus]

Just to clarify a few things:

1) By an "adult" section, I don't mean porno. I mean that it would be ok to have nude sculptures, have off topic threads with pics of hot chicks (or men, for the ladies on the boards), and anything which we don't want in the general sections per the "would you want your kid to see that..." rules.

2) Any fee, if implemented, would need to be discussed amongst members to determine what is best. A one time, $10 annual fee for everyone (waved with a purchase from Comicstatues)? A monthly fee, which would be if we decided to have a BST which is only accessible to paying members (again, purchases from Comicstatues.com would substitute this fee)? We would need to decide WHY we're implementing the fee, and adjust the fee/benefits accordingly.

3) IF a yearly fee is accessed, and Drod makes money on it, so what? You're assuming that all 2500 people are going to cough up the dough. As well, perhaps the money generated will allow Drod to pursue Statueforum exclusive pieces only available to paid members? Sort of like the yearly $25 for Bowens CC?

All in all, we are just trying to feel out how people would respond to the charge. We want to make the forum a cool place to be. Maybe a small fee from everyone will help make it even more so.

[lord odin]

Just to clarify a few things:

1) By an "adult" section, I don't mean porno. I mean that it would be ok to have nude sculptures, have off topic threads with pics of hot chicks (or men, for the ladies on the boards), and anything which we don't want in the general sections per the "would you want your kid to see that..." rules.

2) Any fee, if implemented, would need to be discussed amongst members to determine what is best. A one time, $10 annual fee for everyone (waved with a purchase from Comicstatues)? A monthly fee, which would be if we decided to have a BST which is only accessible to paying members (again, purchases from Comicstatues.com would substitute this fee)? We would need to decide WHY we're implementing the fee, and adjust the fee/benefits accordingly.

3) IF a yearly fee is accessed, and Drod makes money on it, so what? You're assuming that all 2500 people are going to cough up the dough. As well, perhaps the money generated will allow Drod to pursue Statueforum exclusive pieces only available to paid members? Sort of like the yearly $25 for Bowens CC?

All in all, we are just trying to feel out how people would respond to the charge. We want to make the forum a cool place to be. Maybe a small fee from everyone will help make it even more so.
On one of my forums we do yearly raffles at this time of the year to help pay for the cost of the forum.
It always works out and you get cool prizes any money left over after paying for the forum goes into paying the next month and/or getting gifts for the mods.

[Bullseye]

I don't want to appear a party pooper but i think we are getting away from what the forum is about. Collecting statues, comics, discussing films etc. Do we really need to have this Adult section. Man you need to see the looks i get if i'm looking at those pictures of hot women. God i love them like the next man but if she thinks i'm spending all this time on the forum viewing pictures i'll be banned. Theres enough free sites with these pictures without bringing them onboard here too. JMO. As regards annual fees i have no problem with that but i think i contribute to Danny better by ordering from him.

[Tattoo-S]

3) IF a yearly fee is accessed, and Drod makes money on it, so what? You're assuming that all 2500 people are going to cough up the dough. As well, perhaps the money generated will allow Drod to pursue Statueforum exclusive pieces only available to paid members? Sort of like the yearly $25 for Bowens CC?

All in all, we are just trying to feel out how people would respond to the charge. We want to make the forum a cool place to be. Maybe a small fee from everyone will help make it even more so.

If you are referring to my comment, YES...I am assuming that "ALL" members would pay, why wouldn't they....I thought the whole idea was to set up a fee for the use of the boards. If I can still access everything without the fee, sign me up. :inquisiti

As far as extra money going to Drod, I got no problem with a little liner, but really........$25,000 that is a little overkill

But everything is clear, and I got no issues with that. ;)

[galactus]

If you are referring to my comment, YES...I am assuming that "ALL" members would pay, why wouldn't they....I thought the whole idea was to set up a fee for the use of the boards. If I can still access everything without the fee, sign me up. :inquisiti

As far as extra money going to Drod, I got no problem with a little liner, but really........$25,000 that is a little overkill

But everything is clear, and I got no issues with that. ;)

Well, thats what were trying to feel out. One of the options is to keep the "base" forum available to all non-paying members, the same way that it is now. For those that choose to pay a fee of some sort, they alone will have access to other sections, a BST section being one of them.

[Tattoo-S]

Well, thats what were trying to feel out. One of the options is to keep the "base" forum available to all non-paying members, the same way that it is now. For those that choose to pay a fee of some sort, they alone will have access to other sections, a BST section being one of them.
Well, it sounds like you guys (mods) are getting it all worked out. We all know there is no way everyone will be pleased, but at the very least perhaps the members list can be structured in a way to illiminate some of the troubles that have befallen us.

Next question is, there are several husband and wife memberships. will they be treated indiviually or as one? I am not against having to share a membership as long as I can keep my identity. In case many have not noticed (and I don't know how oblivious one has to be to NOT) Tat X and I share many different views not to mention personality and temperment. :o But I am afraid I would have to give up my membership if I had to pay for two of them. ?? :(

[Tattoo-S]

No really, I want to know if others think this might be a good idea? Honestly.
Bump, bump, bump.....

[MONSTER]

Well, I just updated the BST rules again, more to reword things than actually add anything new.

Monster - In terms of exclusive items, I always thought those rules were faily clear, but I reworded them as well. Basically, if there is a particular (exclusive) item which is only going to be distributed through certain channels, we have no problem with a thread being created. To my recollection, we have NEVER deleted any thread announcing a Bowen exclusive being available, a Star Wars piece going up on Sideshow or Starwarsshop, or anything of a similar nature. It is the same as your question concerning exclusives available at the comic con. If that is the ONLY place to get it, then we have no problem with you creating a thread asking if anyone would like help in getting one. We just don't want threads and links to the 2000 retail sites/flippers that picked them up to make a quick buck.

I guess I should have read the rules first. If the exclusive news is still here then I'm happy.

[rychehitman]

Well, not to be a wet blanket, but I do not think a place to post Nude Sculpts or pics of hot women is something I would want to have on here. I am here to bond and make friendships with fellow collectors, and broaden my horizens regarding my collection....A nice Alba thread every now and again is great, but an entire "adult section" is outside my comfort zone.

In regards to a "fee" for this site...if I "PAY" to post here, I would need to have more of a voice over who and what gets moderated or deleted. That would only be fair.

I am ALL for having an exclusive member section that you can post in only if you purchase from Danny. One purchase should get you a 6 month password (or something like that!) The man does enough for us, we need to give back!

Most of us already do, but this place has grown by leaps and bounds lately. How much of this growth would be stifled by a fee? Who knows. I would hate to think of some artists or potential members being turned off by a fee over here, but no fee at toher forums that exist.

B/S/T should just FLAT out not happen. Posting eBay links is stupid! Galactus nailed this one on the head...we are all collectors and are on eBay anyway! If its that good, it will be seen! The whole $35 Hulk fiasco would have never happened ( remember the $50 Iron man BIN...why didn't that stir up the pot?).

From personal experience I have had dealings with forum members that have ranged from BAD to GREAT. I think we deal with each other at our own risk.

HOWEVER, I do not see "what is your grail", or "what pieces are you looking for the most this holiday season" as being problematic. If I see that Galactus posted that he would love to have a Ron Lim original art piece of Galactus and all his Heralds....uhm...ok, bad example.... If Galactus says he wants a tin foil Bucky, then I can PM him if (and when!) I have one that i might (MIGHT!) be willing to sell. I dont need to post in a certain section. B/S/T still happens, but is in underground and needs to stay there.

I for one would LOVE to see SOAB re-tooled and thrown back out there. The main problem IMO with SOAB was collectrrs putting items up at the prices they know they are worth. WE ALL WANT DEALS! Why post a Quicksilver mb for $55 on SOAB! That is Crazy! Others like Perna and Avenger totally supported SOAB and did very well. We need more interation like that. At least CK is honest and FLAT OUT SAYS "don't PM me asking for "deals", I need to make as much as I can on this stuff!" I have more respect for that than some people thinking they should get a better price because we "know" each other from the forum, or that you "know" what the piece is really worth.

Ok, I am off my soapbox... I hope I didnt step on any toes... I am just throwing my thoughts out there to help Galactus brainstorm a bit!

[Ish]

Just to clarify a few things:

1) By an "adult" section, I don't mean porno. I mean that it would be ok to have nude sculptures, have off topic threads with pics of hot chicks (or men, for the ladies on the boards), and anything which we don't want in the general sections per the "would you want your kid to see that..." rules.
good.


hmmm... are you trying to say something my friend? get it out bro you're among friends!

[galactus]

Well, not to be a wet blanket, but I do not think a place to post Nude Sculpts or pics of hot women is something I would want to have on here. I am here to bond and make friendships with fellow collectors, and broaden my horizens regarding my collection....A nice Alba thread every now and again is great, but an entire "adult section" is outside my comfort zone.

In regards to a "fee" for this site...if I "PAY" to post here, I would need to have more of a voice over who and what gets moderated or deleted. That would only be fair.

I am ALL for having an exclusive member section that you can post in only if you purchase from Danny. One purchase should get you a 6 month password (or something like that!) The man does enough for us, we need to give back!

Most of us already do, but this place has grown by leaps and bounds lately. How much of this growth would be stifled by a fee? Who knows. I would hate to think of some artists or potential members being turned off by a fee over here, but no fee at toher forums that exist.

B/S/T should just FLAT out not happen. Posting eBay links is stupid! Galactus nailed this one on the head...we are all collectors and are on eBay anyway! If its that good, it will be seen! The whole $35 Hulk fiasco would have never happened ( remember the $50 Iron man BIN...why didn't that stir up the pot?).

From personal experience I have had dealings with forum members that have ranged from BAD to GREAT. I think we deal with each other at our own risk.

HOWEVER, I do not see "what is your grail", or "what pieces are you looking for the most this holiday season" as being problematic. If I see that Galactus posted that he would love to have a Ron Lim original art piece of Galactus and all his Heralds....uhm...ok, bad example.... If Galactus says he wants a tin foil Bucky, then I can PM him if (and when!) I have one that i might (MIGHT!) be willing to sell. I dont need to post in a certain section. B/S/T still happens, but is in underground and needs to stay there.

I for one would LOVE to see SOAB re-tooled and thrown back out there. The main problem IMO with SOAB was collectrrs putting items up at the prices they know they are worth. WE ALL WANT DEALS! Why post a Quicksilver mb for $55 on SOAB! That is Crazy! Others like Perna and Avenger totally supported SOAB and did very well. We need more interation like that. At least CK is honest and FLAT OUT SAYS "don't PM me asking for "deals", I need to make as much as I can on this stuff!" I have more respect for that than some people thinking they should get a better price because we "know" each other from the forum, or that you "know" what the piece is really worth.

Ok, I am off my soapbox... I hope I didnt step on any toes... I am just throwing my thoughts out there to help Galactus brainstorm a bit!

Thanks for the input, as this is what we're trying to get back from people.

Once again, I need to reiterate that the "adult" section is not a way to try and create a porn site. There have been a lot perfectly legitimate threads which have fallen under the "wouldn't want your kid to see/read this" category which were deleted. The pay sections would allow those threads to stay alive.

As for BST, well, thats the main reason that we're even thinking about the pay section to begin with. Otherwise, we'll keep the forum exactly as is and merely continue to delete any thread which we feel violates that rule. I understand how you feel that a "grail" thread or "what are you hoping for this holiday" thread isn't a BST thread, but as far as the mods are concerned, it is. It is a CLEAR statement of items that a perticular person is actively looking for. Soon after that, you will have everyone with a hoping for this, or grail that thread, and the whole forum is one advertisement again. It's gonna be all or nothing, and if you want it, you need to compensate Drod somehow. Our currect line of thinking is this:

The main forum will remain as is, no cost, everything going along as usual

If you want to join into the BST section (and whatever other sections we add to the pay section), there will be either:

1) a yearly fee, perhaps $30? You'll make this up in ebay fees alone.

2) a monthly fee, perhaps $5 per month. This would be for people who just want to test it out, or try to look for a particular piece once in a whilel

3) or a waiver of the fee based on a qualifying purchase from comicstatues.com (which would need to be determined).

thought?

[bat_collector]

I have a strong interest in a BST section. This weekend I sold some comics I would have loved to sell to fellow members, instead I put on the bay.

I think paying for it would work well.

[Perna]

I'd pay the fee to use the B/S/T section if SOAB wasn't being used.

$5.00 a month is a good start price for anyone wanting to try out the other sections, but is that $5.00 for all access or $5.00 per section?

[Dark Knight]

I think the forum should stay as is. As someone stated before, the problem is not Bowen, sneak peeks, b/s/t or anything like that. It's the members. There is a lack of respect for fellow members, mods and especially for d rod. I'm not saying to ban everyone and go crazy like stormtroopers. I just think that the rules are the rules and if you aren't sure what's right or wrong, PM a mod who is online at the time. Things would be a lot better if we all just follow the rules and respect each other. Paying a fee won't buy respect. Having said that, if there's a fee, I'll pay it.

[cblakey1]

I think a membership drive every six months would be good. Members send in what they can or they have the option of buying from ComicStatues.com.

If they send in $$ or buy something they can have an avatar, or they get an extra forum privilege that non-donators would not have.

They do drives on other forums I'm on and it seems to work well.

When you access the site, a splash page says click here to donate, or here to continue.

JMO.

Footnote… as I clicked to post this (12 AM EST), the nightly maintenance of the forum kicked in, thus booting me out. If people paid, this maintenance window would need to be moved to a later time. :laugh:

[Wolverine1]

I like the you have to purchase something from D rod, especially when he has all these special projects coming out. If you can't find anything from that store, then something is wrong.

[rychehitman]

Thanks for the input, as this is what we're trying to get back from people.

Once again, I need to reiterate that the "adult" section is not a way to try and create a porn site. There have been a lot perfectly legitimate threads which have fallen under the "wouldn't want your kid to see/read this" category which were deleted. The pay sections would allow those threads to stay alive.

As for BST, well, thats the main reason that we're even thinking about the pay section to begin with. Otherwise, we'll keep the forum exactly as is and merely continue to delete any thread which we feel violates that rule. I understand how you feel that a "grail" thread or "what are you hoping for this holiday" thread isn't a BST thread, but as far as the mods are concerned, it is. It is a CLEAR statement of items that a perticular person is actively looking for. Soon after that, you will have everyone with a hoping for this, or grail that thread, and the whole forum is one advertisement again. It's gonna be all or nothing, and if you want it, you need to compensate Drod somehow. Our currect line of thinking is this:

The main forum will remain as is, no cost, everything going along as usual

If you want to join into the BST section (and whatever other sections we add to the pay section), there will be either:

1) a yearly fee, perhaps $30? You'll make this up in ebay fees alone.

2) a monthly fee, perhaps $5 per month. This would be for people who just want to test it out, or try to look for a particular piece once in a whilel

3) or a waiver of the fee based on a qualifying purchase from comicstatues.com (which would need to be determined).

thought?


And I can totally see the MODS point of view of disguised b/s/t threads too Galactus!

In regards to fee's..I'd rather pay annually, and not have to think about it monthly.

As far as adult content....the adult statues thread was an interesting read, and that managed to have no pics included. IF members use common sense it can still exist. The thought of having a special section could very well open a floodgate. the "adult section" title might give the wrong impression, and if members are paying to be on the forum, they may feel they have the right to post whatever they want within a section like that! Just food for thought...perhaps there would be issue with all the users that come to the site while at work. Some of that stuff may be viewed as NSFW in some cricles and become problematic. Again...just brainstorming!

[Bullseye]

And I can totally see the MODS point of view of disguised b/s/t threads too Galactus!

In regards to fee's..I'd rather pay annually, and not have to think about it monthly.

As far as adult content....the adult statues thread was an interesting read, and that managed to have no pics included. IF members use common sense it can still exist. The thought of having a special section could very well open a floodgate. the "adult section" title might give the wrong impression, and if members are paying to be on the forum, they may feel they have the right to post whatever they want within a section like that! Just food for thought...perhaps there would be issue with all the users that come to the site while at work. Some of that stuff may be viewed as NSFW in some cricles and become problematic. Again...just brainstorming!

I agree.

[Comicboy]

I don't see the need for an Adult section. If the sculpt contains nudity the person can always use the black out boxes. I personally have no problem viewing that content but I can see where it would be a problem.

I have to say No to a BST section. While nice and really handy it seems it can cause alot more hardships than good. With the amount of people on here there is no way to guarantee anything. Paying for it in no way makes it any different or better. I don't see where the mods should have to become the mediators in disputes. And there will be disputes. If you decide to do a BST Danny should definately be compensated. Perhaps a transaction fee per piece? A set cost or percentage above the wanted price? Some people have alot of things to sell, some don't. A flat fee would seem to 'hurt the little guy'. You can call it, Aggravation Tax.

As far as everything else goes, it boils down to common sense, decency, civility and respect. Lack of which should get you a warning, a sound thrashing from the mods and a review of the rules. Further lack of said virtues should get you banned. The severity of that ban is the sole discretion of the mods.

I hate to see this place fall in the direction it's been as of late. I understand passions run high in this hobby. But after all is said and done it is still just a hobby. One we all love, otherwise we wouldn't be here. We all come here for different reasons, from different places but we all have a common bond, we come here. This is one of the greatest places created solely for us. Look at what we have here. Some of the greatest talents and companies in this hobby come to show us their offerings. They ask us our opinions and for our feedback. It may be our hobby but it is their livelihood. They pour their heart and souls (blood, sweat and tears if you like) into these works. They put it out there for you to look at and some now won't come back because of our postings. Please show them the respect they deserve.

I'll do whatever I need to keep this place going and so should the rest of us. Imagine your life without it. Given, most of us would have alot more money and less pieces but you would also not have the wonderful people and friendships we have formed either. Which is more important to you?

[Mad4Busts]

I think if you want to BST on here it should be a pay to use part of the site, but otherwise...support Danny with purchases of his products, I use Danny on some items I get jacked on...

[Tattoo-S]

I think $30 per year is too much. I won't pay it. Not that I make up enough of a difference to even post an opinion, but I just won't pay it. What I see happening here is that either we pay $30 per year, or spend @ least that much with Drod. I suppose the purchase is no big deal, assuming that he will have something I want.

Another thing is, I don't register my CC with many sites, but I suppose with Paypal, this issue would also NOT be that big of a deal.

I am a bit confused on the B/S/T deal. From what I am seeing, most people have a problem with Ebay solicitations. If you want to hunt ebay, they have their own site. I was kind of under the impression that a B/S/T area would be for people to B/S/T stuff they already purchased in an attempt to pick up stuff they might have previously missed, or dump something they are tired of in the same search.
Maybe you just need to put up a wanted section and run it like a classified ad, people post their wants and respond via PM, that way it stays out of the mainstream and people can work out their own stuff. Once you make the decision to do something with an unknown source you take on responsibility for your own actions. If you get screwed, you get screwed. Perhaps some kind of feedback score could be implimented so that when successful trades are completed positive ratings can be left. However I would definately only have positive left. Poor traders would be identified by their 0 rating. Perhaps a mod could be assigned to act as the monitor....once contacted by one trader and verifying through the other, actually leaving the rated notation.

Also an online auction every 3 or four months, might be an idea to entertain. I used to participate in some online auctions and what people did was send items that they wanted to be auctioned off, and a site or online auction company would run the auction the site or auctioneer would take like 10% of each auction sale. That way you get rid of your stuff, you make a dime or two and a little goes back into the site. It all seems like a lot of extra work, to get what we want, but I totally think it might be worth it. Just some ideas.

Also I like the idea of the donation drive. Perhaps for every donation you make or every set amount that you donate you could get a little cyber patch or something that goes on with your avatar.

I guess the possibilities are endless. :)

[marvelboi77]

How much money does it take to run a Forum, once you have the computers isn't that it.

[Léon]

I think $30 a year is too much. But if it's only for the B/S/T section then it's okay cause I won't use it anyway. The busts I'm getting (fewer and fewer) are all coming from Drod, so I'm supporting him anyway.

[lord odin]

How much money does it take to run a Forum, once you have the computers isn't that it.
I hear people are important. :laugh:

[galactus]

ok, to answer comments and questions, in no particular order:

ONLY the BST (and perhaps future sections) section would require a payment. EVERYTHING available on the forum now would remain as is (so TatS, you'd be free to continue on exactly the same as you are now).

A flat fee would be the ONLY fee we would implement. A per fee transaction is difficult since:

a) We won't know how much a piece is sold for, so how are we to know what to collect?
b) How are we going to collect the fees? We would need to trust people to send them in to us, so thats a no.
We're not setting up an auction site, just a venue for people to BST.

The "adult" section has been explained. There is NO reason that a section for sculptures or discussion concerning mature content wouldn't work. It would be part of the pay section, and you don't need to go in if you don't want to. However, if people are going to be paying a fee, they should be able to discuss something if they want to. Now, this isn't to say that there aren't going to be rules. The "adult" content must be in the context of statues/artwork or something RELATED to the spirit of this forum. Any blatant pornographic material will be deleted, ALONG with the member(s) posting. People aren't going to want to get banned since they paid to be there. They'd only loose their investment.

In terms of the actual fee structure, it would be an either/or. You can either pay the $30 up front (or whatever amount is determined), pay $5 a month (for whatever reason), or a suitible purchase from Comicstatues will qualify you for admission. Now, if people think these fees are too high, don't pay. $30 a year is $2.50 a month. Don't biggie size your combo meal once and month and you're in the clear :buttrock: If you think that the forum is getting "too much money" by collecting these fees, don't pay. The money is only going to be recylced to improve the forum, pay for Statueforum exclusives, and pay Drod for his time and effort for this place. If for some reason you think that is unreasonable, I'm sure I can come up with a good reason why YOU'RE getting paid too much at your job too :inquisiti

[Tetragrammaton]

Just to touch on some points...

1- A yearly flat rate makes the most sense to me. It would be easy to manage compared to making monthly payments. I am curious how the amount of $30.00 was come up with. Personally I doubt that anyone on here who collects more than 1 bust per year can't afford this amount if they choose to.

As soon as this place becomes a pay site, I predict the membership will drop from 2,700 to about 300. Will people who never post care enough to pay just to lurk? If this is at all accurate, the amount of money brought in from this will only be about $10K.

For me I would rather just buy something from comicstatues once in a while.

2- No interest in an adult section.

3- Would not mind being able to have an area to post items for sale and wanted. The rest could be discussed between the individuals and should not really involve the forum beyond that.

4- I still maintain banned members should have a portion of the annual amount refunded.

[leks]

Galactus already mentioned paying would only be necessary for the new content.

I could live paying for that content that I feel is missing. Main interest would be in BST although I dont see myself buying in any way regularly from this and would value a place where members can inform eachother about interesting items/links/sales the lot.

I think an adult section not necessarily would fill a gap but could come in handy. In the past, often when such a thread was opened I felt some friction, between the people who collect these and are interested in discussing this seriously and the moral brigade. I think this would be a good way to get a 'normal' discussion going without bothering anyone who feels disturbed by this.

[Ish]

bst only for me i don't think that a thread with some chicks pics(alba time) is gonna offend nobody(other than my wife, but who cares) so personally i don't get a kick of looking at a naked statue.

[d rod]

tetra: the pay section would not affect the regular section whatsoever. as a matter of fact, regular members would not even know that there is a pay section besides reading info about it.
creating an additional pay section would do the following:
those who are members of that would see an additional section(s) while the rest would not.
think of it like the "home grown". everyone can see that. but, i can actually set it up that only specific people can see it.

so if you're not interested and you want everything as is, you don't pay. if you don't pay, nothing would change for you.

mind you, this has an expense. i think everyone is aware of it and many are willing to help. the expense is not only financial but time consuming. as an example. doing the "iron sculptor" took a lot of time and planning. mat from sideshow is one of my best friends but he's not going to agree on hiring someone just to make a forum look cool. so, as we try to do things, make this a better place, it doesn't always come cheap. another example are the exclusives. getting one is not easy. yes, one can make a profit but who's taking the financial risk? if they bomb, i can't give them away. i'll never get another exclusive. sure, if the runs are low, less risk. but if they're not that low, higher risk. also, the exclusive is given because you are a heavy buyer (comicstatues is), they trust you won't give the product away (i'm not known to sell statues on ebay starting at $9.99), have capital to front up all the money and have an excellent relationship with the manufacturer. having a forum doesn't mean that one gets anything. all of this takes a lot of time and work.

so, some members want b/s/t. why do they want it? to save on ebay fees, help out members and so on. what is wrong about the forum making a little money for the time and trouble? heck, anyone that sells a couple of statues there has made that money up on ebay fees.

remember: a pay section would not affect the regular forum whatsoever.

at the same time. non paying members will get some additional benefits as well. for starters, hopefully more exclusives. secondly, i'm working on a section that members can submit their ebay auctions on a daily basis and we post them. that way, if you want to see what's up on ebay, you can go to a specific place.

[Bullseye]

I hope the non-paying won't be excluded from future forum exclusives Danny. The question on fees i don't see a problem but i don't do enough buying and selling to justify it possibly.

[Crom]

It sounds like a plan is coming together.

Just on a side note, I wouldn't mind if d_rod put up more advertising if it helped pay for the site. It's not like I'm not hit with it everywhere I go now anyway. At least this is stuff I might have a actual interest in. It is his site and most of the comapnies that post here would benefit from the ads if he sells their product because of it.

[Cage]

I voted no, but the reason is not because I don't want to hit Danny up with some cash. I try to order from D when I can, and if its not an exclusive or a piece that is going to be heavily allocated by Bowen I go to Danny. Although I'm an Attorney, I am a public interest attorney which means "Poor" so I don't have the big bucks to spend. My point? I know that there are people who spend much more $$ at his site than I do, but I am still one of Drod's "boys." I don't know if some people look at that as a bad word or something, but I don't care. I have people who have been my "boys" for life and other people who I have known my whole life and they are just acquaintances, and BTW I appointed myself one his "boys" which to me means that if he needs me, I got his back. All that being said, I am hesistant to making this a "pay site", because if you think the inmates are trying to run the asylum now, wait until the already enormous sense of entitlement that exists now mushrooms. If you want to do donations or Quarterly Drod fests, without "Rights" being vested, I'm all for it. Otherwise, there is no BST section. Deal with it. Not every rule is crystal clear, deal with it. Either deal or find another site.

[Bullseye]

I voted no, but the reason is not because I don't want to hit Danny up with some cash. I try to order from D when I can, and if its not an exclusive or a piece that is going to be heavily allocated by Bowen I go to Danny. Although I'm an Attorney, I am a public interest attorney which means "Poor" so I don't have the big bucks to spend. My point? I know that there are people who spend much more $$ at his site than I do, but I am still one of Drod's "boys." I don't know if some people look at that as a bad word or something, but I don't care. I have people who have been my "boys" for life and other people who I have known my whole life and they are just acquaintances, and BTW I appointed myself one his "boys" which to me means that if he needs me, I got his back. All that being said, I am hesistant to making this a "pay site", because if you think the inmates are trying to run the asylum now, wait until the already enormous sense of entitlement that exists now mushrooms. If you want to do donations or Quarterly Drod fests, without "Rights" being vested, I'm all for it. Otherwise, there is no BST section. Deal with it. Not every rule is crystal clear, deal with it. Either deal or find another site.

I agree completely. It may also create a two tier forum. The non-paying members being second class.

[cap70]

Yes, just because Drod should get help in supporting the forum.

In fact, I told about this idea to Danny sometime ago. We use this forum, we enjoy this forum, we meet great people in this forum, we get great info on this forum about many things. I wouldn't mind paying a fee to help D keeping it top notch. They only thing I would ask is for you guys(mods and D) to be more severe with some members here. There's many trouble makers that posts here just to cause trouble, without making any constructive criticism or nothing, but just to step on people shoes and start a fight. They don't add nothing good to the forum at all. And they don't try to "join" the forum friendly spirit. It's time for these people to start respecting other people and the rules here or get out. This forum it's my favorite forum of all the forums that I ever participated. I had the privilege in meeting many nice people here, talented artists and expanding my knowledge about collectibles in general. Would be very sad to see it starting to go downhill cause a small group of individuals.

[leks]

Well at first I thought this thread was about making everyone pay just to be a member. I thought that was kinda stupid, but have to say I do think it would be a good way to get rid of the types that only are here to annoy and bully. But you will lose lots of valuable members/lurkers? too.

The problem is the forum is growing and this will attract unwanted attention. The moderators will not be able to control such a mass so you cannot win that battle. Weather the storm and see what is left is what mostly happens.

Btw I would be willing to pay for the items mentioned, but if not, I will just wander off to some other boards to satisfy this thirst, nothing more. So to me its not something that should at all cost be made available, ill make use of it if it's there that's all, if not than not.

Also I didnot vote, but I never vote.

ps people with money rule this cursed earth.

[JadeGiant]

adult section? i just notice that, whats that about? if there is such thing than i won't be able to come here due to religious belives and my wifes right hand.

Exactly.

$10 a month and you would have a very small group.

$10 a year sounds doable but I would question what you motivation is. I have been on other forums that added a fee and people got a sense of "entitlement" and felt like they had more free reign because they had paid in.

I would suggest trying to refine the rules and parameters of the site and once they are more clear, then start strictly enforcing them.

[MONSTER]

I'll support whatever decision is made. Just let me know how much I need to paypal over.

[DDura711]

I'll support whatever decision is made. Just let me know how much I need to paypal over.
$10 a month to me. I'll foward it over to..... me.

[Tattoo-S]

I'll support whatever decision is made. Just let me know how much I need to paypal over.
Geez Monster quit Bending over. Someone might get the wrong idea

[MONSTER]

Geez Monster quit Bending over. Someone might get the wrong idea

I have all this money burning a hole anyways. :laugh: :rolleyes2

[Ish]

Geez Monster quit Bending over. Someone might get the wrong idea
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: zing!!

[CompEng1]

It is Drod's site ergo, his rules. If we don't like them we are free to go elsewhere. I think that you have to enforce discipline with regard to the rules. If you keep amending the rules to allow more flexibility, then you just eventually lose your spine. The rules here I've never found to be too tough or restrictive. The simple fact that Galactus keeps having to re-word the rules so that there is no confusion confirms that the more you bend, the more you'll have to bend.
I really do appreciate the canvassing of the members here to decide what we want, but in the end Drod started this and we all got involved for the love of the hobby, and the appreciation of the art. Adult sections, BST, etc...while these things aren't necessarily bad, components of them can certainly be found on other sites. Once we dive into the pay world, we subject ourselves to pop ups, ads and all the additional cookies and spyware that stuff tends to breed. Why wouldn't Drod start taking that money if he's going to take ours? It certainly would make sense if he's going to turn this site into a business as well. Right now we've got a fairly pristine site with clean content for all of the hobby enthusiasts regardless of age. Once you delve into pay sites, adult sections and BST, you will need additional police forces to ensure age, payment, and violations of section rules on a nasty scale. I'd say going too large would rip the heart out of this forum and we'd all ultimately be unhappy with where it ended up. Keep it simple, keep it clean, keep it free, and keep yourself in line. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers!

[Tattoo-S]

I have all this money burning a hole anyways. :laugh: :rolleyes2
Hey go check your PM, I have sent my paypal address it needs to be replentished. Better yet, you can just pay my dues for me when you pay yours. :) LOL!

[d rod]

comp: i agree with you. but, the more people want, the more time it takes. work isn't always cheap and time isn't always free. many do it for free but not all. you go to other sites, they have affiliate programs which i will probably do and also have banners which are monthly paying customers. the rate to those banners go hand in hand with volume as well. so, someone might try to offer more to make more money from advertising. i really don't want this forum to be full of banners which is why i'm more inclined to just a handful of affiliates.
needless to say, this site has been funded by my profits but i cannot always be using that since i too have bills to pay outside of the forum.
one of the things i want to do is get a dedicated server as well for the forum. a small site will have less down time but the larger you get, the more down time it can have. i would want to lower that as much as possible.
the one good thing about a private pay area, it would not affect the forum. no member would see that area unless he was part of it. and, those who would be in that area are actually helping out upgrade the forum. it's like if i made the general discussion a pay area and you were a member of that, you would see it but that section would be invisible to the rest.

[WolverineX77]

Ok, here's the thing: If I have to pay for StatueForum to keep running and preventing it from ceasing to exsist, charge me up. I think Danny deserves a lil' some'-some' for all his effort, hard work, and Down-To-Earthness, a "Thank You", if you will. Mind you, I'm not kissing @$$ :laugh: It's how I feel. And $2.50/month is NOTHING. JMO in the matter.

[CompEng1]

Drod,

You're right, maintaining a website this size takes an insane amount of time and I'm sure money. I completely understand and would agree that you should be able to charge something for this site to keep it going. Hey partner, I didn't mean to imply that you should be in the financial red to feed our habit..hehe. The sneak peaks, sculptures, and general enthusiasm that we're all able to share here is awesome. You've always had great prices and I have to say the times I've called you because I lost my UPS tracking number etc..you were always "Jonny on the spot" with the info. I really appreciate it. My comments were meant more to keep the forum from becoming Ebay with porn and a staue forum..I'm sure that isn't your intent so please belay my last.

Cheers.

[Azog]

I would be more then willing to pay say $5 or so a month, the content and friends here are worth that much if not more. Plus you are talking about benefits being added with payment...I say bring it on...

[JDH]

Any chance anyone would pay extra to visit the Good Grief section? :D

[Wolverine1]

Any chance anyone would pay extra to visit the Good Grief section? :D
Nice try! I won't use the BST section and if I need porn pics I know where to find them. :laugh:

[Daywalker]

i would be in for paying a monthly fee or whatever - but i dont see the need for a BST section or an "adult" section - also would the fee prevent ppl from "lurking" ? like would the fee just allow u to be a memeber that can post etc ? will the fee eliminate ppl from veiwing threads as a "guest" ? basically what im asking is if u dont pay can u still read what ppl are saying ? - i think the fee would be a good idea simply b/c it would eliminate alot of the ppl that dont really care or have no real desire to be constructive - im talking about he people that lurk, the people that read posts and try to sabatage ppls good fortunes on ebay - they will see the fee and leave ( hopefully )

as for the BST - its a legit arguement for ppl to want it especially if there is a fee attached to the forum - however - re-instating the BST will only generate more problems down the line when something goes bad for whatever reason - then u have more issues arrising b/c ppl will claim that b/c they pay a fee that they are entitled to some type of protection via the forum b/c of that fee - or that they feel statueforum should be responsible for all the deals made etc....

an "adult" section - not needed - this is a comic statue forum board - im by no means anti-porn/adult material at all - if i want porn i know where to go and get it - i just feel that its not something that shuold be here

basically i just want the forum to be like it was back in the day - a place where we can discuss comic/collectible thigns and where the memebers looked out for each other not liek it is now where everyone complains about not getting an exclusive or where memeber try to back door ebay auctions when they see someone getting a good deal - ive made alot of friends on this board and have helped out my peeps when needed and have be helped out by ppl i havent even met - this is what the forum should be about and this is what i hope a fee would return this forum to

[Logan]

Well, I'm not for a 'paid' forum, mostly because I don't have a credit card.
But I do think that Drod should get some help, how about a donate button (PayPal etc.), I'm sure alot of people are willing to help Drod out (and if it's PayPal, me too).

[Cage]

basically i just want the forum to be like it was back in the day - a place where we can discuss comic/collectible thigns and where the memebers looked out for each other not liek it is now where everyone complains about not getting an exclusive or where memeber try to back door ebay auctions when they see someone getting a good deal - ive made alot of friends on this board and have helped out my peeps when needed and have be helped out by ppl i havent even met - this is what the forum should be about and this is what i hope a fee would return this forum to

Well Said, bro. I agree completely.

[Tattoo-S]

So where is the confusion.....You "Donate" via paypal every month, I think the job would get done. There are over 2500 members, even if everyone only "donated" a $ every month, I think that is more than sufficient. If you can't make the donation, you get turned off. Right. D-rod gets some bucks to invest back in and to work with in any way that he sees fit. I got no issue with that. Specifically stated, if I were to have to pay for both memberships that $2.00 per month, that $24.00 per year out of my household alone. (of course that is is a membership fee were assigned to everyone. If the fees are restricted to certain parts of the forum, of course adjustments would have to be made. :)

So call it a fee, call it dues, call it a donation, either way your going to get your money. Right?

[Tattoo-S]

I would be more then willing to pay say $5 or so a month, the content and friends here are worth that much if not more. Plus you are talking about benefits being added with payment...I say bring it on...

I agree with you about the friends and the content, it is definately worth something.....but now I am wondering if paying for friendship is such a good idea. I have estabished some very meaningful relationships here with folks who I have both met and not met, the estabishment has been made, I will not lose contact with them should I be excluded from the site for any reason.

$60.00 per year your willing to pay. Don't you have your own site to run? Or are you feeling everyone out to see what people might do so that later you can do the same? It is my understanding that many of the people on this site visit yours as well. :inquisiti Sorry but I feel that is pretty extravagent.

(Shaking my head and rolling my eyes) Where is Monster, I am about to Kick him in the....uhhhmmm butt, for bending over in the first place :o

[Avenger]

I agree with you about the friends and the content, it is definately worth something.....but now I am wondering if paying for friendship is such a good idea. I have estabished some very meaningful relationships here with folks who I have both met and not met, the estabishment has been made, I will not lose contact with them should I be excluded from the site for any reason.

$60.00 per year your willing to pay. Don't you have your own site to run? Or are you feeling everyone out to see what people might do so that later you can do the same? It is my understanding that many of the people on this site visit yours as well. :inquisiti Sorry but I feel that is pretty extravagent.

(Shaking my head and rolling my eyes) Where is Monster, I am about to Kick him in the....uhhhmmm butt, for bending over in the first place :o
You mean we're not supposed to pay for friends :inquisiti I missed that somewhere :laugh:J/K I try to buy some things from Danny just because I use the forum. Would I have purchased from him if it were not for the forum, probable not. So in a way I do pay for being on here. That being said if it came down to it I would donate to help pay for the forum.

[Tattoo-S]

You mean we're not supposed to pay for friends :inquisiti I missed that somewhere :laugh:J/K I try to buy some things from Danny just because I use the forum. Would I have purchased from him if it were not for the forum, probable not. So in a way I do pay for being on here. That being said if it came down to it I would donate to help pay for the forum.
Thats good to know, now make with the monthly Friendship Pmt, I got some holiday shopping to do still. ;) and your like 9 month behind. Hehehehehe

[Avenger]

Thats good to know, now make with the monthly Friendship Pmt, I got some holiday shopping to do still. ;) and your like 9 month behind. Hehehehehe
How soon they forget :rolleyes2 :laugh: Maybe I would but I haven't gotten a call in FOREVER. :eplus2:

[Tattoo-S]

R U trying to blackmail me?.........Oh, that is so beneath you. Ok, I call you you send me a check for what $10 according to some of these guys. Hmmmmm, you know I would only charge you in reciprecated respect, understanding and oh yeah, $$. hahahahahaha

[Avenger]

R U trying to blackmail me?.........Oh, that is so beneath you. Ok, I call you you send me a check for what $10 according to some of these guys. Hmmmmm, you know I would only charge you in reciprecated respect, understanding and oh yeah, $$. hahahahahaha
This hobby just keeps getting moe exspensive all the time. :rolleyes: :laugh:

[Tattoo-S]

This hobby just keeps getting moe exspensive all the time. :rolleyes: :laugh:
Only difference is in this case, you are getting the best of me. Truth be told I owe you the big $$s. Your friendship is priceless, but I would pay you a few $s a year just for putting up for my crap.....I heard that is the real motivation behind the fees. Putting up with crap, definately worth something. Hahahahaha

[Gianco]

a yearly fee, or required purchase from comicstatues.com is what I say.
I agree with this one!

[galactus]

So where is the confusion.....You "Donate" via paypal every month, I think the job would get done. There are over 2500 members, even if everyone only "donated" a $ every month, I think that is more than sufficient. If you can't make the donation, you get turned off. Right. D-rod gets some bucks to invest back in and to work with in any way that he sees fit. I got no issue with that. Specifically stated, if I were to have to pay for both memberships that $2.00 per month, that $24.00 per year out of my household alone. (of course that is is a membership fee were assigned to everyone. If the fees are restricted to certain parts of the forum, of course adjustments would have to be made. :)

So call it a fee, call it dues, call it a donation, either way your going to get your money. Right?

I'm not sure if you are joking, being wilfully ignorant, or just refuse to read ANY of the posts I have made regarding your past comments?

THE PAYMENT WILL BE FOR ACCESS TO ANY ADDITIONAL AREAS OF THE FORUM WE CREATE! YOU WILL NOT NEED TO PAY ANYTHING FOR CONTINUING TO USE THE FORUM EXACTLY AS IT IS NOW!

You don't need to pay for your "friendships", you don't need to pay to read the forum, post on the forum, or do ANYTHING which you are doing right now. Yeesh... :banghead:

[Tattoo-S]

I'm not sure if you are joking, being wilfully ignorant, or just refuse to read ANY of the posts I have made regarding your past comments?

THE PAYMENT WILL BE FOR ACCESS TO ANY ADDITIONAL AREAS OF THE FORUM WE CREATE! YOU WILL NOT NEED TO PAY ANYTHING FOR CONTINUING TO USE THE FORUM EXACTLY AS IT IS NOW!

You don't need to pay for your "friendships", you don't need to pay to read the forum, post on the forum, or do ANYTHING which you are doing right now. Yeesh... :banghead:
I am joking mostly, I suppose I can also be a little ignorant (just ask my husband, I am sure he will vouch), and yes, I have been reading the posts by yourself and others.......Yeah, Yeah, I get it (I understand)!! You can lighten up now. ;) I am cool, well, I am trying be cool about it. I try to incorporate humor to make my adjustments. If I didn't make light of it all, I fear my head might just explode. :( :eek: .....and you can stop that wishful thinking stuff. Ha Ha!

P.S. its good to know that I don't have to pay for friends.....cause I just might find myself friend poor.

[Sniper]

danny take my money to help out with the sever bills, not a problem. i spend 25 bucks on everyday items, at least I know where my money went! :buttrock: :eplus2:

[kirthew]

I just stumbled across this thread because Sniper bumped it... I would honestly pay 4.95 a month for access to this site... I pay 12.95 a month for radio... I pay 5.95 a month just for kirthew@earthlink.net every month and I get nothing but spam there... I think a subscription service would rock... and help Danny pay the costs...