So who are all the Hard Heroes fighting?(Group shot)

[Endless Wake]

So far every piece is in an action pose, will they be facing a group of villains or just one? Reminds me of the Secret Wars covers.

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This question came to mind while I was doing a rough photoshop jam of all the painted pieces.

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[Pogo4321]

Just going by the bases the Avengers go together but the Defenders (appropriately for the non-team) don't. Bring on Dr. Strange!

This is also why HH should do Avengers or Defenders villains, not frickin' X-villains.

[Wolverine1]

Just going by the bases the Avengers go together but the Defenders (appropriately for the non-team) don't. Bring on Dr. Strange!

This is also why HH should do Avengers or Defenders villains, not frickin' X-villains.
I want some sort of mutant! Namor doesnt count!

[Jameshowlett]

Come on.Namor supposedly is the wolrds first mutant. But I thought Apoc was?

[Wooktroop]

get the thing, iron man and iron fist in that pic

[Collection King 13]

THey are getting ready to destroy anything that gets in their way! :eplus2:

[Pogo4321]

I want some sort of mutant! Namor doesnt count!

DST, Sideshow and Bowen have the mutants well covered. Leave Seth & Rob alone!

The idea that namor is a mutant is ludicrous. He's a cross-breed--this is vastly different from a mutant.

[TheMadTitan]

Now we need some villains to put against the heroes!! :eplus2:

[HULK SMASH]

I am using the bowen Thanos statue.

[Tetragrammaton]

DST, Sideshow and Bowen have the mutants well covered. Leave Seth & Rob alone!

The idea that namor is a mutant is ludicrous. He's a cross-breed--this is vastly different from a mutant.

Actually Namor is a mutant as he exhibits attributes not found in either of his parents' races.

[Jameshowlett]

Actually Namor is a mutant as he exhibits attributes not found in either of his parents' races.
Right. I just read in Marvel about this.I can't remeber where I read it but it was recent and they werewriting that many consider namor to be the worlds first mutant. But I don't know about the first though.Kinda contradictory to apoc.

[rychehitman]

I think they are fighting Loki....who will be the very first HH bad guy!


And no one can tell me otherwise! = )

[Wolverine1]

DST, Sideshow and Bowen have the mutants well covered. Leave Seth & Rob alone!

The idea that namor is a mutant is ludicrous. He's a cross-breed--this is vastly different from a mutant.
Mutants rock! We need a FS Wolverine!

[Bartholomew]

Mutants rock! We need a FS Wolverine!

I agree with you Wolverine. I'm an X-Men fan first and foremost. X-Men are traditionally more popular than Avengers anyways so I'd think they'd get more collectors interested...namely the x-crowd.
Why is Hard Hero hating on the muties. :p

[Pogo4321]

Mutants rock! We need a FS Wolverine!

Why do mutants rock? Any mutant?

[lord odin]

I think they are fighting Joe Q

[Endless Wake]

get the thing, iron man and iron fist in that pic
Just added Thing, I'll wait for the painted IM & IF.

[wellwisher]

Right. I just read in Marvel about this.I can't remeber where I read it but it was recent and they werewriting that many consider namor to be the worlds first mutant. But I don't know about the first though.Kinda contradictory to apoc.

I'm with you. A true mutant is one who's kinda a freak of nature.
The X-gene is a mutation of the normal gene.

Sub Mariner was actually 1/2 human, 1/2 Homo-Mermanus. Check out the early FF for more details.

Therefore, Sub Mariner is no mutant with the X-gene. He's a product to two types of humans. Right? The Marvel writer who wrote otherwise, knows NOTHING! NOTHING!

Are we geeks or what? :laugh: :laugh:

[Pogo4321]

I agree with you Wolverine. I'm an X-Men fan first and foremost. X-Men are traditionally more popular than Avengers anyways so I'd think they'd get more collectors interested...namely the x-crowd.
Why is Hard Hero hating on the muties. :p

I don't know Rob but maybe he's one of these guys, like myself, who grew up with only one x-book--the days when if anything important happened in the Marvel U the Avengers (and Spiderman) were there (and the X-men were really peripheral characters). The 60's, 70's and early 80's belonged to the Avengers; the 90's and 00's belong to the X-men.

It was when everyone went mutant crazy, as I recall, Marvel started slapping the mutant tag on characters left and right in an effort raise popularity, thus Namor and Falcon became mutants. And Namor is said to 1st because he appeard in the 40's, while Apoc appeared in ???.

[HULK SMASH]

I'm with you. A true mutant is one who's kinda a freak of nature.
The X-gene is a mutation of the normal gene.

Sub Mariner was actually 1/2 human, 1/2 Homo-Mermanus. Check out the early FF for more details.

Therefore, Sub Mariner is no mutant with the X-gene. He's a product to two types of humans. Right? The Marvel writer who wrote otherwise, knows NOTHING! NOTHING!

Are we geeks or what? :laugh: :laugh:
Yes he is .the wings on his ankles sets him apart as well as his bullet prove skin.Falcon is a low level telepath which is why he communicates with his falcon redwing I believe is the birds name. A mutant is a homosuperior and is geneticly produced not a freak of nature,only the next step in envolution of the human race.Two types of humans that carried the x-gene.You are the one who knows nothing . :peoples:

[risingstar]

Sub Mariner was actually 1/2 human, 1/2 Homo-Mermanus. Check out the early FF for more details.

Therefore, Sub Mariner is no mutant with the X-gene. He's a product to two types of humans. Right? The Marvel writer who wrote otherwise, knows NOTHING! NOTHING!

Are we geeks or what? :laugh: :laugh:

First off, 99% of the mutants out there in Marvel-land have 2 human parents so that point is moot. Secondly, there is no such thing as being a "half mutant". It's like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't.

[Jameshowlett]

I'm with you. A true mutant is one who's kinda a freak of nature.
The X-gene is a mutation of the normal gene.

Sub Mariner was actually 1/2 human, 1/2 Homo-Mermanus. Check out the early FF for more details.

Therefore, Sub Mariner is no mutant with the X-gene. He's a product to two types of humans. Right? The Marvel writer who wrote otherwise, knows NOTHING! NOTHING!

Are we geeks or what? :laugh: :laugh:
OH YEAH! , Big time geeks and proud of it! :laugh:

[Jameshowlett]

I don't know Rob but maybe he's one of these guys, like myself, who grew up with only one x-book--the days when if anything important happened in the Marvel U the Avengers (and Spiderman) were there (and the X-men were really peripheral characters). The 60's, 70's and early 80's belonged to the Avengers; the 90's and 00's belong to the X-men.

It was when everyone went mutant crazy, as I recall, Marvel started slapping the mutant tag on characters left and right in an effort raise popularity, thus Namor and Falcon became mutants. And Namor is said to 1st because he appeard in the 40's, while Apoc appeared in ???. T

Exactly.That makes sense that Marvel tagged Mutant onto a character to gain popularity withtha character.Apoc was waay back before Namor.

[Eye of Agamotto]

They are fighting Thanos for the infinity gauntlet. Him or the Beyonder :p JK.

[HULK SMASH]

First off, 99% of the mutants out there in Marvel-land have 2 human parents so that point is moot. Secondly, there is no such thing as being a "half mutant". It's like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't.
Yes!!!!!BWAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! :eplus2:

[HULK SMASH]

They are fighting Thanos for the infinity gauntlet. Him or the Beyonder :p JK.
Yes!!!BWAAAHAAAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! :eplus2:

[Sniper]

THey are getting ready to destroy anything that gets in their way! :eplus2:
including other companies?? :eplus2:

[wellwisher]

Yes he is .the wings on his ankles sets him apart as well as his bullet prove skin.Falcon is a low level telepath which is why he communicates with his falcon redwing I believe is the birds name. A mutant is a homosuperior and is geneticly produced not a freak of nature,only the next step in envolution of the human race.Two types of humans that carried the x-gene.You are the one who knows nothing . :peoples:

Nope, sorry, your wrong, my friend. Check out Fantastic Four Annual #1. The Sub Mariner is not a mutant. Some Marvel writers today may think so, but no. Mutants are born from two normal parents or one or more mutant parent passing on the X-Gene. The X-Gene shows up in the early teen years. Sub Mariner was born with his powers. They are not generated from the X-gene, mystical/magic powers or freak accidents like what happened to the FF or DD.

Sub Mariner, regardless of ankle wings, powers, etc. Was born from a normal human male (Sea Captain) and a water breathing female (Princess) from the "Homo-Mermanus" race of Atlantis. This race was simply another species of humans (again, see FF Ann #1, also see Sub Mariner #1 for origin).

Who's Geekin' now?? WWWWWWOOOOOOORRRRDDDD!!

[Tetragrammaton]

While this may be a circular arguement with no one able to convince anyone else of anything...here goes.

Mutant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_(fiction)

Namor does possess the hereditary abilities of water breathing from his Atlantean mother. As pointed out before he had these abilities from birth and this does not constitute any mutant potential.

However, his capacity to fly and having strength on the order of 20 times the Atlantean average are mutant powers. Yes, he is indeed a hybrid, but he is also a mutant. Not all mutants have to be X-Men you know.

Below you will find the 1981 Marvel Universe entry for the Sub-Mariner, this is somewhat before the mutant craze mentioned before, and it clearly states his mutant status.


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[Collection King 13]

How about you put them against each other... :D Hulk Vs Thing - Thor Vs Surfer - Cap vs Namor - & Hawkeye can wait for his enemy. :D

[Tetragrammaton]

Who else would the Hard Heroes be fighting...


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[batman1180]

Now that is funny . :)

[Endless Wake]

Who else would the Hard Heroes be fighting...


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:laugh: Is that Randy on his scuba trip?

[Eye of Agamotto]

:laugh: Is that Randy on his scuba trip?

Yup, that's funny :laugh:

[Endless Wake]

Hercules added.

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[ilas]

Will they be creating ANY villians for this line?

[Primal]

THey are getting ready to destroy anything that gets in their way! :eplus2:
Quick! Get in their way! :eplus2:

[loricstone]

Actually Namor is a mutant as he exhibits attributes not found in either of his parents' races.

Actually, the definition of a mutant is someone who is physically different due to man-made conditions, i.e. A mutant in the Marvel Universe is really a by product of similar effects that the Terrigen Mists (as well as other conditions on the earth i.e. physical or emotional stress, pollution, etc.) have on people. All humans in the Marvel Universe have the capability of extraordinary abilities (Rick Jones) but only a few develop them. The conditions stated above are what trigger transformations in each humans chromosomes and makeup, ultimately transforming them into superhumans. The Submariner, on the other hand, was born with his powers and therefore is not considered a mutant by those standards. He in fact is a byproduct of cross breeding by an Atlantean and a human. :) This is a fact!

[ilas]

Waiting for HH Juggernaut (non-evolution version)

[ta2215]

Actually, the definition of a mutant is someone who is physically different due to man-made conditions, i.e. A mutant in the Marvel Universe is really a by product of similar effects that the Terrigen Mists (as well as other conditions on the earth i.e. physical or emotional stress, pollution, etc.) have on people. All humans in the Marvel Universe have the capability of extraordinary abilities (Rick Jones) but only a few develop them. The conditions stated above are what trigger transformations in each humans chromosomes and makeup, ultimately transforming them into superhumans. The Submariner, on the other hand, was born with his powers and therefore is not considered a mutant by those standards. He in fact is a byproduct of cross breeding by an Atlantean and a human. :) This is a fact!
So none of the X-Men were born with their powers? or they are not mutant any more but spidey is and Captain America too? (BTW, this is a serious question since I don't follow the comics)

[Tetragrammaton]

This is a fact!

Actually ... no.

As Namor exhibits characteristics that are uncommon to both his parental heritages (strength far beyond other Atlanteans or humans, winged ankles, flight, and the ability to channel electricity without harm to himself), he is a mutant (he is also a hybrid).

Further, when you say, "A mutant in the Marvel Universe is really a by product of similar effects that the Terrigen Mists" this is also false as a mutant possesses the potential for their powers at birth, though they tend to manifest during adolescence. Those who acquire powers from external sources such as the Inhuman Terrigen Mist would be correctly referred to as mutates.