Kabuki Bronze

[comicbkguy]

Just saw these up on David Mack Guide.com and thought you guys would want to check them out.

http://davidmackguide.com/portfolio/kabuki/statues/images/kabuki2005bronze01-large.jpg

http://davidmackguide.com/portfolio/kabuki/statues/images/kabuki2005bronze02-large.jpg

[boondocksaint]

looks awesome but the painted one has an edge on it looks wise

[bane]

looks even better then the painted one !!!

[Bullseye]

How much for this beauty?

[comicbkguy]

Info is here

http://davidmackguide.com/productionnotes/kabuki/statues/

But basically it is going to run $3000 and the run is 30. Four more A.P.s are going to sell for $3200. I don't know if those four are included or separate from the 30. Once I send these things to the foundry I am very out of the loop on the bronzes. I wasn't even sent these pics, just stumbled on them by accident.

[Bill Murraye]

arround $3000 !!! nice but too expensive !!! for this price i would go in Paris and find a bronze worker who could make several examples in massive bronze... no seriously $3000!

[bat_collector]

3k wow, too much for my blood

[leks]

Wow that looks incredible but 3000 ouch momma poppa damn, but sweet still.

Shame that's just too high for me, I will add it to my want grails list though maybe Ill get a shot at it somewhere in the loooong run, real beauty she is.

[Collection King 13]

That looks really good makes me wish I had $$$$ right now!!!!

[Daredevil]

3K is too much. I would rather spend that on a Bronze Marvel piece by Bowen

[Collection King 13]

3K is too much. I would rather spend that on a Bronze Marvel piece by Bowen
Too Much? Why? Bowen Bronzes were limited to 100 while this is limited to only 34...

[candyrocket786]

Would love to own one of these... :banghead:

[JSA]

That looks great! Just a thought - wouldn't it have been amazingly cool, if the
Bronze statues had the diamonds in the mask like on the AP Bust and statues?
It is already amazing, but that would have made it absolutely incredible.

JS

[ELMI*]

Just saw these up on David Mack Guide.com and thought you guys would want to check them out.

http://davidmackguide.com/portfolio/kabuki/statues/images/kabuki2005bronze01-large.jpg

http://davidmackguide.com/portfolio/kabuki/statues/images/kabuki2005bronze02-large.jpg

Thx for the pics CBG - this piece is amazing. I think I'll order one.

[toyzplz]

WOW! and OUCH! what a beauty of a piece though. At least I got a regular! I've never gotten a bronze piece before, but someday...

[Bullseye]

Thats far too much for my blood. Have to be happy with the regular release.

[carrillj]

Looks nice, but I think the face looses it's beauty in Bronze. One of the things that makes this such a great statues is not only the great sculpt, but the vibrant colors, particularly with the painted white face and green dragon tattoo. A lot of those details are lost with this bronze casting. Still it's an interesting statue, but the most I'd pay would be around 2K.

[Bill Murraye]

yes and $2000 is still high! think that for this price you could have a terminator t800 or a vader I from attakus plus other statues!!

[risingstar]

Kabuki fans with lots of money to blow should be happy with this one.

[Pogo4321]

In bronze this thing looks like a gallery piece--as opposed to comicbook piece. It could easily be part of any non-comic related art collection with no explanation needed.

[carrillj]

In bronze this thing looks like a gallery piece--as opposed to comicbook piece. It could easily be part of any non-comic related art collection with no explanation needed.

Good point. I know a few people who lived in Japan and have homes decorated in Japanese culture. This bronze statue would look very classy displayed in their house.

[SolidLiquidFox]

I agree it loses something in bronze

[Pogo4321]

I agree it loses something in bronze

I think what you're missing is the eyes--the painted version has very intense eyes.

I think it gains as much, if not more than it loses, when cast in bronze. Bronze gives it a timeless quality, removing it from 2006 and placing it in some other universal frame of reference.

I think it's incredible.

[Sskaaar]

I think what you're missing is the eyes--the painted version has very intense eyes.

I think it gains as much, if not more than it loses, when cast in bronze. Bronze gives it a timeless quality, removing it from 2006 and placing it in some other universal frame of reference.

I think it's incredible.

I was going to mention the eyes too, you beat me to it. Maybe they can do something about the eyes. I bet itll come out even nicer.

[Gir]

Awesome. I'm not in the market for one of these though...maybe if I sold half (or more) of my other stuff.

Just a thought - wouldn't it have been amazingly cool, if the
Bronze statues had the diamonds in the mask like on the AP Bust and statues?


No, I don't think that would look right. There is a diamond edition coming out though. I wonder what it will look like. I'm kind of annoyed that we didn't hear about the diamond edition before the regular one was released. I might have bought it instead.

[Bullseye]

Too Much? Why? Bowen Bronzes were limited to 100 while this is limited to only 34...

The only thing that i would say to that is that Kabuki is an Indy character. The Bowen Bronzes on the main are of A-List comic characters.

I still think this looks amazing and would love to buy it. If it were of AIX i might jump at it.

[Ish]

3k wow, too much for my blood
indeed. :redface:

[The Last Ronin]

Wow she looks incredible!
If I had the money I would absolutely be getting that piece.

[Daredevil]

The only thing that i would say to that is that Kabuki is an Indy character. The Bowen Bronzes on the main are of A-List comic characters.

I still think this looks amazing and would love to buy it. If it were of AIX i might jump at it.

Absolutely. It's only about quantity but rather quality and the character choices.

[jk2law]

I own this piece 1/30 and the pictures don't do this piece justice. I own all the bowen bronzes too minus the deathdealer and two of the star wars bronzes and this piece is easily as impressive if not more. Clay understands the female form and since he started out as an artist in bronze these aren't just bronze knock offs. I believe his original pieces are made as if they were going to be done in bronze.

[candyrocket786]

CS Moore should offer SF members a lay-a-way plan. :laugh:

[polystoner]

Man, she looks even more delicious in bronze. :p

[leks]

I own this piece 1/30 and the pictures don't do this piece justice. I own all the bowen bronzes too minus the deathdealer and two of the star wars bronzes and this piece is easily as impressive if not more. Clay understands the female form and since he started out as an artist in bronze these aren't just bronze knock offs. I believe his original pieces are made as if they were going to be done in bronze.
I know you own quite a few bronzes, I would love to see your bronze setup or your own pictures of kabuki. If I somehow missed these please point me in the right direction ;)

Btw. I agree I also dont see the price as outrageous, these are the best quality females in this industry, still personally I wouldnot have mind if the run was set at 100 if that meant the price would have been <=1500 :)

[hellspawn77]

The $3,000 price range is simply a reflection of the high costs involved in the whole bronze process. Clay is also doing these locally, using high quality bronze and expereicned artisans: this process is extrenely costly (we are talking $1,000's) but the value of the piece will skyrocket over time. If you like the piece its definitely a worthwhile investment!

Some comapnies take the cheaper road and cast them in china but the alloys they us are low quality. Someoen said that gatting it cast in europe (France I think) would be cheaper but that is not correct.

If you use good quality materials it can last 3,000 years! Bronze is timeless with a high market value and the price reflects that- that's pretty much the bottom line.

Claudio

[leks]

Actually I was wondering about that since I've heard that before.

So you are saying that even if they did produce 100 this wouldnot dramatically lower the prices, more like 2500 perhaps?

What if I gave them my own bronze :D j/k

[hellspawn77]

Actually I was wondering about that since I've heard that before.

So you are saying that even if they did produce 100 this wouldnot dramatically lower the prices, more like 2500 perhaps?

What if I gave them my own bronze :D j/k

Each casting is done one by one because its done using the lost wax process. This means that in order to cast a bronze they have to make a wax copy from a rubber mold. this wax copy gets sprued and molded using a cermaic invesment material.

Once cured the wax get melted out and the cavity filled with molten metal. Once hard the mold is brocken with a hammer and the bronze gets welded together (if its cast in seperate pieces) and refinished which is really labourios...

This process is done for each one so there is no price break what so ever. In reality most bronze editions go up in price as the edition sells out- this is normal practice. So basically the first ones cost less and progressavly get more expensive as they sell...

Claudio

[leks]

Thats some good info thanks Claudio.

On a personal experience some years ago I noticed a seller offering a couple bronzes. As I remember he was offering two moore bronzes and the princess bronze from frazetta, all got sold for the starting bid which was under 1500$

At the time I didnot know these versions of these pieces, although there was a huge attraction and I checked up on them after it ended, I didnot get involved. If I had known what I know now I wouldve been all over these.

Actually it might have been Clay's brother who offered these now that I rethink this.

This was probably a fluke and maybe it was not smart to offer these on the bay but I just want to point out that you never know.

[comicbkguy]

I believe Paul was the seller on those bronze pieces. I think the princess was offered as a bronze, but the barbarians that were sold were test pieces if memory serves. We had a bronze barbarian in the office, right as you walked in and I think they said it was never offered due to a number of licensing issues.

A funny story about how dumb thieves are, there was a break-in in the last couple of years at MC. They took a couple of old junkers computers and left thousands of dollars in bronzes and prototypes unmolested.


Thats some good info thanks Claudio.

On a personal experience some years ago I noticed a seller offering a couple bronzes. As I remember he was offering two moore bronzes and the princess bronze from frazetta, all got sold for the starting bid which was under 1500$

At the time I didnot know these versions of these pieces, although there was a huge attraction and I checked up on them after it ended, I didnot get involved. If I had known what I know now I wouldve been all over these.

Actually it might have been Clay's brother who offered these now that I rethink this.

This was probably a fluke and maybe it was not smart to offer these on the bay but I just want to point out that you never know.

[Jerseydevil]

There is a diamond edition coming out though. I wonder what it will look like. I'm kind of annoyed that we didn't hear about the diamond edition before the regular one was released. I might have bought it instead.
Gir, I'm with you on this. Does anybody have information on the Diamond Edition? What it looks like? How much it'll cost?

[d rod]

Many times, manufacturers have to make certain pieces due to licensing. Just as well, they cannot release information about said pieces until the piece is approved. It's not always there fault. So many things happen behind the scenes.

[Jerseydevil]

Thanks, D. I'll wait patiently (as my toe taps impatiently).

[Bill Murraye]

with a little late hellspawn77 i can confirm you that here in Paris, there are some of the best foundries and bronze artist and i quoted a kabuki project for arround $1650 exactly, for one unit.
here is a link to this french family who is specialized in bronze since 1950:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/chardon.bronze/Untitled-2.html
of course , $1650 include my choice for a brass patin like on the kabuki moore bronze version, but i will ask them to put a second patin with an oxydation appearence...
Moreover, i am not fixed but i think that i will make a 1/4 kabuki based on the moore in resin and give it to this foundery.
Since december, i found an other artist/founder who seems very good...
I will post pics as soon as i received the 1/4 is realized: my dream is to include my kabuki among some of my favorite sideshow pieces: Doom especially, vador maybe...grievous of course... yes i think that some feminization would give some "douceur" in french! :)

[comicbkguy]

with a little late hellspawn77 i can confirm you that here in Paris, there are some of the best foundries and bronze artist and i quoted a kabuki project for arround $1650 exactly, for one unit.
here is a link to this french family who is specialized in bronze since 1950:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/chardon.bronze/Untitled-2.html
of course , $1650 include my choice for a brass patin like on the kabuki moore bronze version, but i will ask them to put a second patin with an oxydation appearence...
Moreover, i am not fixed but i think that i will make a 1/4 kabuki based on the moore in resin and give it to this foundery.
Since december, i found an other artist/founder who seems very good...
I will post pics as soon as i received the 1/4 is realized: my dream is to include my kabuki among some of my favorite sideshow pieces: Doom especially, vador maybe...grievous of course... yes i think that some feminization would give some "douceur" in french! :)


I'm a little unclear here. Are you saying that you are going to have the CS Moore piece recast in bronze? Or are you saying that for $1650 you are going to commission a new sculpt that will be cast in bronze? Because if you are going to recast the Moore piece that is illegal. And if the $1650 includes an original sculpt - that is someone who stunningly undervalues their work (and is also technically illegal, since it is someone else's intellectual property, though no one is likely to intercede if only one is being produced). Keep in mind part of the benefit of the Moore piece is that it was sculpted by Clay Moore and that seems to be something you aren't taking into account in my opinion.
I want to make sure and point out that I am saying this without any animosity, so please don't read any into it. I am just not clear on what you are saying. Futhermore, this piece was conceived of, produced, and priced with the understanding that most people wouldn't be interested in it. Traditionally bronze editions sell to a very select clientele due to the price and when sold out quickly increase in value. Clay decided to start doing bronze pieces again when he noticed during the period between the two companies that his older bronze pieces had gone up in value greatly. Doing new bronze pieces keeps the collectors who buy bronzes happy, helps the company and does nothing to effect the value of the prepainted pieces. It is pretty much a situation that is a win for everyone.
Just wanted to point these things out.

[Bill Murraye]

well i understand your point of view! i am not going to reproduce in several units the kabuki statue in bronze! not my goal at all!
i am just trying to make my own bronze statue based on the moore sculpture but in 1/4 scale, so i will resculpt it myself with the help of a machine which can reproduce it in resin by a laser.So it would cost me a lot, and it will not be exactly the same kabuki statue, i will change some little parts of the body.
Nothing seems illegal as it is a single statue only for my collection, i will never sell it because it would have costed me so much money and time! she will stay in my office until my retirement! :buttrock:
About the moore bronze, yes it is for a specific kind of collectors, but why making only 30 units? 100 or 200 would have been great and the cost would have been more interesting! :peoples:
and i am not satisfied by the face which loses a lot of force in comparison with the painted version.I will put a little removable white mask with black lines in brass, in mine in order to give it some personality: she will need it close to the sideshow predator (with its mask) and Doom....
I insist again: i thought about this bronze version months ago before the official version appeared, and the main reason was to make an 1/4 scale version, ONLY ONE FOR MY PERSONAL COLLECTION! i am the first to respect the moore work and laws....
I will maybe make a 1/3 version for my cinemaquette collection, but not before the middle of 2007.And only one single unit for me, the founder will destroy the negative... :)

[cap70]

She DOES looks HOT in Bronze :inquisiti

[Bill Murraye]

YES, better in 1/4 scale or 1/3 scale to fit with the t800 cinemaquette... what a combination! :buttrock:

[Foord]

Just checked the Moore website and Kabuki bronze is up for order! Lot of coin, for sure.

[hellspawn77]

with a little late hellspawn77 i can confirm you that here in Paris, there are some of the best foundries and bronze artist and i quoted a kabuki project for arround $1650 exactly, for one unit.
here is a link to this french family who is specialized in bronze since 1950:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/chardon.bronze/Untitled-2.html
of course , $1650 include my choice for a brass patin like on the kabuki moore bronze version, but i will ask them to put a second patin with an oxydation appearence...

Yes that is the going price for the actual foundry work but I think you failed to consider that Moore has to at least double the foundry cost to make it profitable. Most of the time you triple or double the foundry cost... normal practice for bronzes.

Moreover, i am not fixed but i think that i will make a 1/4 kabuki based on the moore in resin and give it to this foundery.
Since december, i found an other artist/founder who seems very good...
I will post pics as soon as i received the 1/4 is realized: my dream is to include my kabuki among some of my favorite sideshow pieces: Doom especially, vador maybe...grievous of course... yes i think that some feminization would give some "douceur" in french! :)

So basically instead of sculpting your own Kabuki, or commisioning someone to do it, you are going to rip off Moore's?

Don't you think that is a bit disrespectful of the artist?

How do you suppose he's going to keep his business going if we don't support his products?

Claudio

[SolidLiquidFox]

for that much money I rather get a cinemaquette piece...never was a fan of bronze renditions