Zidane sending off

[Bullseye]

It has been alleged by the French coach that the fourth offical seen the incident on his tv monitor and informed the referree. It this is the case Zidane should never have been sent off. Neither the ref or his linesmen seen the incident.

FIFA are stating that the fourth offical saw the incident first hand. This thing could roll on and on.

(Just to clarify i believe that Zidane should have been sent off no doubt. But if the officals are using video evidence during a game to make decisions when it is not part of the rules then this is completly wrong.

If they did use the video evidence to punish Zidane it does show how quickly this tool could be used to help referrees in the future :D ).

[Tetragrammaton]

It was an incredibly stupid move on the part of Zidane.

[Bullseye]

I agree. I was probably the most experianced player on the pitch. Even if the Italian called his mother a name he should never have done what he did. He let himself, his teamates and his nation down at the very moment of head butting the player.

And whats a great pity, he will always be remembered for it in much the same way as the English remember Maradona for the Hand of God goal, but forget about his wondergoal in the same game.

Your always remembered for your last action.

[JDH]

I thought something like this would happen. FIFA may have introduced video evidence through the back door. My view is that, for incidents like that, play should continue and if the ref hears that a player has perpetrated an assault, he should send him off at the next break in play. I would love video evidence to be used after games to impose massive fines and bans on clear divers. I also think it would benefit the game if erroneous decisions could be reversed within five minutes by a panel considering video: sent off players returned from a 'sin bin' if wrongly carded; penalties disallowed if incorrectly given. Lastly, I think goalline disputes, which are comparatiely rare, could be decided within one minute by video without delaying the game unduly.

[JM28Cardiff]

According to Sky sports, the fourth official does not have access to a monitor. A fifth official does, but he is not allowed to communicate with the others.

[JDH]

A fifth official does, but he is not allowed to communicate with the others.

That sounds like a cushy job - watch football for a living with no responsibility!

[Bullseye]

I have no doubt video evidence was employed by FIFA (as Jess stated through the back door). If it were an offical tool then fine but since it is not then it should not be used.

[Bullseye]

That sounds like a cushy job - watch football for a living with no responsibility!

Your describing Garth Crooks. :D

[JDH]

I have no doubt video evidence was employed by FIFA (as Jess stated through the back door). If it were an offical tool then fine but since it is not then it should not be used.

Yeah - it took too long to reach the decision. (Not sure how they only added one minute of injury time...)

Can you imagine the referee's surprise when he went over to the touchline: 'Zidane did WHAT??!!?'

[Bullseye]

Yeah - it took too long to reach the decision. (Not sure how they only added one minute of injury time...)

Can you imagine the referee's surprise when he went over to the touchline: 'Zidane did WHAT??!!?'

:D And Sepp Blatter his boss. Ooohh that took some nerve.

[JDH]

The best thing is, this is the first World Cup where the player of the tournament is named after the final - most years, I think there's a chance Zidane would already have won the award. Last time around, they decided player of the tournament at half-time of the final. Imagine if they'd done that!

[Bullseye]

Who was named player of the tournament? I would have given it to the Italian captain Canavero.

[JDH]

Who was named player of the tournament? I would have given it to the Italian captain Canavero.

Shocking! Zidane's still won it! What kind of message does that send?

[Bullseye]

Zidane won it. Jez. I know he played well in the game up and until he got sent off but he was non-existent in the group stages. Canavero has been outstanding in every game. I don't understand not giving it to defenders if they deserve it.

[Boerboel]

I agree. I was probably the most experianced player on the pitch. Even if the Italian called his mother a name he should never have done what he did. He let himself, his teamates and his nation down at the very moment of head butting the player.

And whats a great pity, he will always be remembered for it in much the same way as the English remember Maradona for the Hand of God goal, but forget about his wondergoal in the same game.

Your always remembered for your last action.
That other guy dropped like a rock didn't he, think that was a little acting or what? I'm not a soccer fan, but I did watch the highlites. Having said that you would think a guy with his age and experience would know better, what a moron.

[Portugueezer]

Shocking! Zidane's still won it! What kind of message does that send?

Totally agree with you! It makes no sense.....

[Logan]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/8/6/3/863032a3425b39b374a752f430438603.gif

[JDH]

The Guardian today reports rumours that Materazzi called Zizi a "terrorist", but that's all unconfirmed.

[Bullseye]

Jez. They say anthing to stir up their fellow professionals. Unsporting.

[Bullseye]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/8/6/3/863032a3425b39b374a752f430438603.gif

I think he was demonstrating how he thought his headed effort on goal almost went in but how Buffon saved it. :D

[joy_division]

I agree. I was probably the most experianced player on the pitch..I never knew you played at the world cup final! ;)

[Bullseye]

I never knew you played at the world cup final! ;)

did i not tell you earlier I'm Zidane... :eplus2:

[JDH]

I never knew you played at the world cup final! ;)

He's so modest about it too...

[JDH]

did i not tell you earlier I'm Zidane... :eplus2:

You're better than Zidane, you never miss!

[leks]

Hey you guys noticed how the italian tries to trip him as he falls.... man :D

I remember when, well most dutch do, kluivert was called rapist and murderer by that belgian player.

[Zurbaran1]

I have no doubt video evidence was employed by FIFA (as Jess stated through the back door). If it were an offical tool then fine but since it is not then it should not be used.

I was schocked when I saw what Zidane did and he should have been sent off. What the hell could he have been thinking? But, per the rules if an official didn't actually see it then he should not have been carded. According to the announcers on the broadcast I was watching, they showed it inside the stadium to the fans so I wouldn't be surprised if that's when the on field official who claims to have seen it, saw it.

[Primal]

That other guy dropped like a rock didn't he, think that was a little acting or what? I'm not a soccer fan, but I did watch the highlites. Having said that you would think a guy with his age and experience would know better, what a moron.They all overact to get the ref's sympathies.

Some of the "acting" is warranted but the majority arent.

[dr.doom]

Zidane won it. Jez. I know he played well in the game up and until he got sent off but he was non-existent in the group stages. Canavero has been outstanding in every game. I don't understand not giving it to defenders if they deserve it.
Agree.Cannavaro played a very good World cup in all the matches.However,this is football

And consider that Zidane kept the decisive points to win, in the last minutes of the match,how you can see here :D :p

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2161/zidane54uc.gif

[MiamiLoco]

That other guy dropped like a rock didn't he, think that was a little acting or what? I'm not a soccer fan, but I did watch the highlites. Having said that you would think a guy with his age and experience would know better, what a moron.
Let someone headbutt your chest and let's see how much acting that takes ;)

[Primal]

Agree.Cannavaro played a very good World cup in all the matches.However,this is football

And consider that Zidane kept the decisive points to win, in the last minutes of the match,how you can see here :D

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2161/zidane54uc.gif :laugh: World Cup Fighter II. :laugh:

[dr.doom]

World Cup Fighter II. :laugh:
Tha is the Zidane's Fatality :D :p :thumbs2:

[Gianco]

Agree.Cannavaro played a very good World cup in all the matches.However,this is football

And consider that Zidane kept the decisive points to win, in the last minutes of the match,how you can see here :D :p

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2161/zidane54uc.gif
:laugh: FIFA Fighter 2006. Grande Doom!

[Bullseye]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/france/5164616.stm

[Zurbaran1]

Well, what did you expect them to say?

[Foord]

Zizou really put his weight behind that hit, can't accuse the Italian of diving, although the shock factor probably helped him to the ground. One of World Cup history's most Bizarre moments, possibly #1 all time considering it was in the final. Makes Beckham's petulance look like nothing. Was by far the most exciting thing to happen in the game.

FIFA have some work to do to clean up the event for next time. Hmm, if it could be proved that the officials never saw the incident but only the video reply, could France demand a replay...? That would be insane, but laws are laws!!

[Bullseye]

Well, what did you expect them to say?

Exactly what they said to the press. :D Still don't believe it though. :tounge:

[JDH]

Zizou really put his weight behind that hit, can't accuse the Italian of diving, although the shock factor probably helped him to the ground. One of World Cup history's most Bizarre moments, possibly #1 all time considering it was in the final. Makes Beckham's petulance look like nothing. Was by far the most exciting thing to happen in the game.

FIFA have some work to do to clean up the event for next time. Hmm, if it could be proved that the officials never saw the incident but only the video reply, could France demand a replay...? That would be insane, but laws are laws!!

Definitely! There are so many newspaper columnists here claiming it ruined the final - it didn't, it made the final! That is the image the World Cup will be remembered for; if it hadn't happened, the Cup would have nothing to distinguish itself.

[Bullseye]

A bigger problem for FIFA I believe is with the clubs. Alot of teams are unhappy with how their national teams insure their players while away at such tournaments. I can see this coming to ahead within the next four years.

[Bullseye]

You have to say Matarazzi's fall was immaculate. The way he landed was perfection. You don't learn that over night.;)

[JDH]

A bigger problem for FIFA I believe is with the clubs. Alot of teams are unhappy with how their national teams insure their players while away at such tournaments. I can see this coming to ahead within the next four years.

Football has some troubled times ahead - the tension between club football, which so many millions are spent on, and international football, which is enjoyed by so many more millions the world over, is sure to cause fireworks. Add in the problems caused by the concentration of money on an elite set of clubs, the pressure for success (see the current problems in the Italian league), and the European employment laws, and the future of international competition looks grave. At least in our neck of the woods. I just hope that players use their power to continue playing for their countries, which obviously means so much to so many of them.

There is so much I would change in the higher echelons of football right now, number one on the list being to turn the overblown Champions League back into a genuine cup competition of true champions. Even a fairly bland World Cup like this one blows the largely dull Champions League out of the water in terms of spectacle and drama. Except for maybe when Steven Gerrard is playing...

[Bullseye]

The problem UEFA has is the top 18 teams would really like to have their own "Champions League". They want a bigger bite of the cake.

[JadeGiant]

Zidane won it. Jez. I know he played well in the game up and until he got sent off but he was non-existent in the group stages. Canavero has been outstanding in every game. I don't understand not giving it to defenders if they deserve it.

I agree, Zidane played very big in some important games but was invisible in others ... he faded in the final before the head butt

I can't believe they gave it to him ... I am sure the Italians would trade it for the Cup though :D

[JadeGiant]

You're better than Zidane, you never miss!

Grey Hulk :D

[Bullseye]

Unlikely.:) BTW what was the outcome of the court case in Italy. Are Juve now in division 3?

[JadeGiant]

Exactly what they said to the press. :D Still don't believe it though. :tounge:

me either Bulls ... someone say it on the stadium jumbo screen and let the official know

[Bullseye]

Grey Hulk :D

Now now. :stick: :D

[JadeGiant]

Now now. :stick: :D

hey, I missed on that one too ... just filling in for Zurb :D

[dr.doom]

Zidane's Fatality! :D

http://wdwwa.biz/zidane/d5e85dbf1219a664ec20edf2ba810de4.gif

[dr.doom]

Uataaaaaaaaààààà!!! :D


http://wdwwa.biz/zidane/Zidakuma.gif

[Gianco]

Da morire!!!
http://www.fund4horses.org/images/laughing_horse_acclaim_images.jpg

[dr.doom]

Ok ok...it wasn't a hit so strong... :D

http://wdwwa.biz/zidane/e4b3e85c19b55b41b856a2644f63590f.gif

[Bullseye]

Ok ok...it wasn't a hit so strong... :D

http://wdwwa.biz/zidane/e4b3e85c19b55b41b856a2644f63590f.gif

Doom who do you support in Seria A? :D

[dr.doom]

Doom who do you support in Seria A? :D
I'm from Rome,and I support Roma .And you,Bullseye?:)

Hey,it seems Zizu is better than Bullseye :D

[Bullseye]

Never better than Zizu. I wouldn't have gotten caught. Plus I'd kill the ref if he gave me a red card:)

No one in particular form SA Doom. I've always like Milan though. What did you think of Totti. He didn't bring much to the Italian team IMO.

[Primal]

Ok ok...it wasn't a hit so strong... :D

http://wdwwa.biz/zidane/e4b3e85c19b55b41b856a2644f63590f.gifhttp://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0188.gif

[dr.doom]

Never better than Zizu. I wouldn't have gotten caught. Plus I'd kill the ref if he gave me a red card:)

No one in particular form SA Doom. I've always like Milan though. What did you think of Totti. He didn't bring much to the Italian team IMO.
Hecame from a very bad hurt,he was not in good condition,however he played quite good,giving geometry to the team,and very good situation with his launches.In the conditions he played,he did a good World Cup.When he play with Roma he usually does fantastic things ;)
Milan?None in Premier League? I like Arsenal and Chelsea :thumbs2:

[Bullseye]

Hecame from a very bad hurt,he was not in good condition,however he played quite good,giving geometry to the team,and very good situation with his launches.In the conditions he played,he did a good World Cup.When he play with Roma he usually does fantastic things ;)
Milan?None in Premier League? I like Arsenal and Chelsea :thumbs2:

Jez. Arsenal or Chelsea. I'm a Liverpool fan. Yeah remember we bet Roma in the European Cup Final in Rome. :D

[Shangrilien]

The Guardian today reports rumours that Materazzi called Zizou a "terrorist", but that's all unconfirmed.Heard a rumour about Materazzi calling Zidane's sister a who** couple of times. It seems he'll explain what happened during the game this week.

[dr.doom]

Jez. Arsenal or Chelsea. I'm a Liverpool fan. Yeah remember we bet Roma in the European Cup Final in Rome.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You traitor!!!!!!!Liverpool noooooooooooo!!!!
THAT MATCH HAS NEVER BEEN PLAYED!!!! :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow
:D

[Justin]

DrDoom love the .gif's :)

[Boerboel]

Let someone headbutt your chest and let's see how much acting that takes ;)
Some of those guys flop more than NBA players. :laugh:

[joy_division]

Heard a rumour about Materazzi calling Zidane's sister a ho**couple of times. It seems he'll explain what happened during the game this week.
paper in the hostel claims that he called him something like son of a terrorist wh0re

[Bullseye]

paper in the hostel claims that he called him something like son of a terrorist wh0re

Thats bad.

[ANGRYCOMICMAN]

paper in the hostel claims that he called him something like son of a terrorist wh0re

I heard that too, at the club I belong to. They said it's because he's part Algerian. Too bad, guess he has thin skin.

[JDH]

There are lots of conflicting reports, including two separate accounts from different lipreaders! It all depends what newspaper you read. Something about his mother (who happened to have been taken into hospital on the afternoon of the final) sounds most likely.

Brilliantly, Materazzi is quoted as denying the terrorist story, claiming to be "ignorant" and not to know what the word means.

[ANGRYCOMICMAN]

OK, who here has never said nasty, hateful things to an opposing player? In any sport, not just Futbol (soccer). I'm talking High school, College or club sports games.

[Bullseye]

There are lots of conflicting reports, including two separate accounts from different lipreaders! It all depends what newspaper you read. Something about his mother (who happened to have been taken into hospital on the afternoon of the final) sounds most likely.

Brilliantly, Materazzi is quoted as denying the terrorist story, claiming to be "ignorant" and not to know what the word means.

:laugh: :laugh: In all fairness to Materazzi...it has become part of the culture as far back as the 70's to stir the opposition up. Its now at the stage where it is win at all cost therefore the following those not apply:

1. Fairness.
2. Respect for your fellow professional.
3. Staying on your feet if possible.
4. No shirt pulling.
5. Do not attempt to get your fellow professional sent off.
6. Try not to con the ref.
7. Don't worry if your wife isn't as good looking as your team-mates wife/girlfriend(theres always a chance you can have an affair with her anyway). :D
8. Don't leave your car in the carpark just because your team-mate went out and spent $200 thousand on the newer model.

[JDH]

The Guardian published ten humorous possibilities for what Materazzi might have said.

The best was: "You can't win Zinedine. If you strike me down I shall, become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

Here are the latest theories:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/story/0,,1817833,00.html

[Varangian]

Maybe Materazzi said bad things but thru what zidane did now we see his reel personnality and it's not beautiful!
Shame on him , he acts like a jerk.
What can we say :
Materazzi is a world champion and F... off Zidane. Never liked this man and his behaviour and he is used to such reactions, he is not a saint, now the world nows.

[dr.doom]

:laugh: :laugh: In all fairness to Materazzi...it has become part of the culture as far back as the 70's to stir the opposition up. Its now at the stage where it is win at all cost therefore the following those not apply:

1. Fairness.
2. Respect for your fellow professional.
3. Staying on your feet if possible.
4. No shirt pulling.
5. Do not attempt to get your fellow professional sent off.
6. Try not to con the ref.
7. Don't worry if your wife isn't as good looking as your team-mates wife/girlfriend(theres always a chance you can have an affair with her anyway). :D
8. Don't leave your car in the carpark just because your team-mate went out and spent $200 thousand on the newer model.
In Italy we say the phrase was: "Zizou,come to play to Inter..." :D

[Bullseye]

Well Inter will still be in Seria A.:)

[dr.doom]

However,I don't understan a thing...when Francesco Totti spat against Polsen,nobody asked:"Hey,poor Francesco..what did Polsen say and what did against Totti,to provocate him? "...All the World attacked him and called him in many bad ways,without justifying him or asking for the motivations.I'm a supporter of Totti and of Roma,his club and the club of my city,but in that moment I comdamned his behavior,as now I condamn the behavior of Zidane.Sport is sport,and these behaviors are no good for sport.

[Bullseye]

However,I don't understan a thing...when Francesco Totti spat against Polsen,nobody asked:"Hey,poor Francesco..what did Polsen say and what did against Totti,to provocate him? "...All the World attacked him and called him in many bad ways,without justifying him or asking for the motivations.I'm a supporter of Totti and of Roma,his club and the club of my city,but in that moment I comdamned his behavior,as now I condamn the behavior of Zidane.Sport is sport,and these behaviors are no good for sport.

Agreed 100%. Zidane should not be excused for his behaviour but its fun to speculate as to what Matarazzi said. :D

[dr.doom]

Agreed 100%. Zidane should not be excused for his behaviour but its fun to speculate as to what Matarazzi said. :D
Agree :D

[dr.doom]

Well Inter will still be in Seria A.:)
Yes.
the sense of the phrase is because Inter doens't win since several years,and in Italy we joke a lot about that :D ;)

[Crom]

Whatever was said, Zidane's best revenge would have been a victory.

Also, he just looks moronic head-butting someone in the chest. Did he think he would get a penalty for using his hands?

[Gianco]

Thats bad.
Hell no, it´s funny!!! :laugh: J/K Bulls! :D

[Varangian]

Goodbye Zidane We won't miss you...........
Especially after your great performance with your head! You are a great representation of good spirit in sport!!

[Varangian]

Bye Bye France!

[Varangian]

Yeeeehaaaa!! It was a great day!!!

[Shangrilien]

Agreed 100%. Zidane should not be excused for his behaviour but its fun to speculate as to what Matarazzi said. :DZidane won't be excused and I don't want him to be. As I already said it, I'm ashamed by his behavior. And he shouldn't have been elected Player of the Tournament either : first because he didn't deserve it, second because of this aggression. Being one of the best players in Football history (and he definitely is) doesn't allow you to behave like a hooligan.

[Ghost]

Oh well. If it were me and the guy said death to all my family, I prolly would have knocked his head off so he wouldn't be able to play again either. I know it's a sport, and taunting is one thing, but hey come on leave the families out of it!

[Foord]

Yeah, was wondering why Zidane didn't pile on and finish the job, if the insult was so bad. He had him on the floor, should've got stuck in some more.

[Gianco]

http://widelec.org/zidane.html

Move Zidane with the mouse and hit Materazzi clicking the left button.

[Ish]

i loved it!!!! LOL

[Gianco]

Anti-stress!!! :laugh:

[JadeGiant]

http://widelec.org/zidane.html

Move Zidane with the mouse and hit Materazzi clicking the left button.

that is AWESOME Gianco :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Varangian]

Stinky behaviour
Now Materazzi will be punishe by the Fifa and why?
Because this ASS H... didn't appreciate how he ended his career! And he tries to find a way to excuse his bad temper...
Happy I won't see his face anymore...He represents all that I hate in a man!

[Justin]

Stinky behaviour
Now Materazzi will be punishe by the Fifa and why?
Because this ASS H... didn't appreciate how he ended his career! And he tries to find a way to excuse his bad temper...
Happy I won't see his face anymore...He represents all that I hate in a man!

He represents not taking crap from another bloke? Mate if that was me either he would be getting carried off or I would and here's a tip.. I would not be getting carried off!

[Varangian]

Did anyone watch zidane interview by the french media??
Who does he think he is?
Now what? He is the good guy, he was innocent, didn't do anything... The bad guy is Materazzi, what the hell?? And the country and the french media support him? it's a joke or what?
Rumors say that Italy could lose its title!!! Zidane should shut up his mouth and act like a real honest man! The solution is easy!! Materazzi and zidane meeting each other in front of the media and both present excuses ! that's sport should be!! What a shame acting like that! Sorry but you ended badly your career on the field you should assume your acts!!!
What i say : he stinks like the country and the team he represents!
What a shame!!!

[Foord]

Should come back and play for Real a bit longer, help France qualify for the next tourney and improve his image a little. He looked like he had plenty of fire left in him ;-)

[Varangian]

his fire seems to be his head...........
Should also stop steroids...

[Varangian]

34 years and france the oldest team of the tournament and still fresh at the end of the tournament?
They were helped by steroids....and maybe some other substances. Like in 98'

[Shangrilien]

Did anyone watch zidane interview by the french media??
Who does he think he is?
Now what? He is the good guy, he was innocent, didn't do anything... The bad guy is Materazzi, what the hell?? And the country and the french media support him? it's a joke or what?
Rumors say that Italy could lose its title!!! Zidane should shut up his mouth and act like a real honest man! The solution is easy!! Materazzi and zidane meeting each other in front of the media and both present excuses ! that's sport should be!! What a shame acting like that! Sorry but you ended badly your career on the field you should assume your acts!!!
What i say : he stinks like the country and the team he represents!
What a shame!!!
"Rumours say that ..." Are you that naïve to believe in rumours ? Or are you trying to fool people ? The only title that may (and should absolutely) be removed is the one Zidane won. He didn't deserve it. Italy won the Cup on the field and you can't take that away from them, even if Materazzi is @ss.
Country and media support him ? Not for his agression, not for a behavior that made my nephews cry and embarassed us in front of the world. Don't try to make this forum think France is fine with what he did. We're not.

Stating your opinion once or twice, with valid arguments and/or strong feelings (good or bad), is welcomed if done with good manners (which are not, imo). Wheter it's about football, your country or any other subject. But I say it's good that the World Cup is over. Because your last 20 messages are just about "I hate the World Cup, I hate them, they cheated, it's fake blah blah blah".
You said you work in football : then go yell this enormous hatred you have inside you to your boss or whoever you work with and stop polluting this forum with provocative and insulting posts.

[cap70]

What i say : he stinks like the country and the team he represents!
What a shame!!!
What kind of a comment is this? How can you even say something like this? Why all this hate against one Country and their people? Good Lord...all you have it's hate.
If you can't play nice, don't post at all. We don't need this sh!ty behaviour here.

[Varangian]

Vois tu Shangri je vis en France et permets moi de te dire que cela m'a fait reellement plaisir de voir la tête que vous tiriez tous après votre défaite, c'était qulque peu jouissif. Enfin ce pays redescendait sur terre et quel soulagement que ce faux-cul de Zidane révèle enfin son vrai visage.
Oui je hais la France et tout ce qu'elle représente, hypocrisie est son véritable slogan!
J'aime le sport et pas mal de choses dans ma vie et je ne te permets pas de faire des jugements hatifs! Quoi? tout est beau et il ne faut pas donner son opinion? Sommes nous des moutons? Au risque de blesser certaines personnes, et permets de te dire que cela ne me dérange pas, je ne changerai pas mes propos et faire le philosophe après mes posts est des plus ridicules.
Je ne tiens pas à entrer en conflit mais tes remarques sont des plus déplacées!

PS: L'Italie a gagné la coupe!!!

[Varangian]

Hi cap70
Do you know the way of life here in France?
You can't understand the feelings of some people and the pleasure that gave us the victory of Italy against France.
France is beautiful from the outside but if you were here you would see that everything is a lie.
Sorry if what I said disturbed some or all of you but all of us don't have the positive attitude and the cruelty of the society make us happy when this one loses her hopes.

[cap70]

Hi cap70
Do you know the way of life here in France?
You can't understand the feelings of some people and the pleasure that gave us the victory of Italy against France.
France is beautiful from the outside but if you were here you would see that everything is a lie.
Sorry if what I said disturbed some or all of you but all of us don't have the positive attitude and the cruelty of the society make us happy when this one loses her hopes. Hi Varangian,
Sometimes is not what you say, but HOW you say it.
The reasons you have to like or not your Country, are yours and yours alone. You have all the right to think whatever you want to think. But you don't need to sound offensive about it, as it may offend people here. Let's not mix sports with Politics. Sport is a beautifull "art" form that unite people around the World in a VERY good way, SO needed nowdays. Politics, well, we all know what politics are about...

[Bullseye]

Varangian I understand you may mave problems in your own country but slagging it off here on these boards is not the way to go. I cannot comprehend why someone would think this way about their own country, I'm sure there are things each of us would like improved but unfortunately these boards do not have contact with governments and politicians. So can you kindly tone down your statements on the subject matter. We are talking about the sending off of a footballer here. Its not science, its not politics its football. I and everyone else on this board have been instructed that politics and religion are not to be discussed on these boards as it leads to heated and sometimes ugly debate. This is first and foremost a statue and collectibles forum. You've had your say on the matter and football in general. Its now time to let it rest.

[Varangian]

hi gang
no problems at all...
Didn't want sound agressive or in quest of revenge.
Sorry if you felt that way.

[Varangian]

The main fact is that:
I play soccer and some other sports with friends and we don't understand his attitude and it's annoying to see a player claiming his innocence especially when he is guilty and about 1/6 of the planet saw it.
The world cup was a great moment even if sometimes it was mixed with politics here, there was the revelation of great teams but also a big gap between big countries and "poor countries" which makes laugh when i see players who were in final and say that the referee helped a team and not the other... What could say Ghana, Tunisia,.... teams who the referees and the fifa really stole?
Hope one day we will really watch sport with a real brotherhood spirit, that's all I want.
Don't get angry after reading this I just thought that everyone could say what he wanted.
My last word:
The real world champin is:

Bowen!!! The only one who makes me dream! Yeah

[Bullseye]

I'm not angry just some others were not happy with your comments country. I can see what you are trying to say about Zidane. But he has given so much joy and happiness to France by winning the World Cup and European Championship. I for one hope that his legacy will not be his sending off but his lifting the world cup.

I also agree that the game as become corrupt (look at Italy, Juve, Fiorentina have been relegated and AC Milan docked points from next season). This is down to greed from the top to the bottom of football. Players getting huge amounts of money, agents getting huge money from signing on fees and their take from the players wages. Clubs over charging on tickets its all down to money. But do you know what? I still love the game. I love watching club football more and say the World Cup but i still enjoy watching Brazil and Italy play football they way its supposed to be.

For me the biggest disappointment of the World Cup was not that Zidane got sent off but that France who played by far the better football in the final were not rewarded. They played the best football in the games versus Spain and Brazil, although Italy did play well overall in the tournament they did not have flair up front but relied on Canaverro in defence (Canaverro was player of the tournament IMO).

Another big disappointment was the performance of Argentina after going 1-0 up against Germany. They didn't have the bottle or manager to finish off the Germans.

The encouraging thing about the world cup was the performances of the African teeams who have improved on the last world cup. I really hope one of their teams with in South Africa.

[Darth Vader]

:rolleyes2 This WC was such a drama ... France should have won :banghead:

Now, I hope it won't be the end of the french team, without Zidane and Makelele ... :redface:

But congratulations to the italians players who are all very impressive :)

[Darth Vader]

J'aime le sport et pas mal de choses dans ma vie et je ne te permets pas de faire des jugements hatifs! Quoi? tout est beau et il ne faut pas donner son opinion? Sommes nous des moutons? Au risque de blesser certaines personnes, et permets de te dire que cela ne me dérange pas, je ne changerai pas mes propos et faire le philosophe après mes posts est des plus ridicules.

Ba tu vois vu tes propos, ya pas qu'en France qu'on te dirait que t'es pas normal de rester dans un pays que tu n'aimes pas ... Des cons yen a partout, et c'est souvent une question de point de vue et de relations. Je vais pas te faire la leçon sinon on viendrait dire des conneries comme quoi les français adorent tout analyser :laugh:

Mais je ne comprends pas les gens qui haissent une idéologie globalisée ... Comment peux tu englober tout un peuple, pourtant si riche par sa diversité ? En plus si la France est un pays d'hypocrisie et de prétention, j'espère que tu n'es pas américain, ça pourrait être ironique dans le jeu des clichés à la con :laugh: :p

Enfin bref, le sport est clairement sensé apporter des commentaires qui vont à l'encontre de ce dont on est témoin dans tes posts ...

[Varangian]

Merci darth vader de confirmer ce que je pense.

Quand vous ouvrirez les yeux et ne vous contenterez pas de ce que l'on vous montre et dit, peut etre verrez vous la realite de cette france si belle!
Le sport n'est qu'utopie et tout est politique ou affaire d'argent... Enfin on s'en fout! Si j'ai quelque chose a dire je le dis, certe cela vexera certaines personnes mais bon faut bien exister tout de meme.

J'aime pas la france avec ses faux semblants, une nation qui prone la tolerance mais qui envoie un porte avion au liban pour proteger les libanais chretiens, quant aux autres qu'ils se debrouillent, ce ne sont que des terroristes! Ensuite on nous parle d'une equipe black blanc beur??? Pourquoi pas equipe de france tt court??
a t on besoin de faire ce genre de difference?

Quant a zidane, il est coutumier des coups vicelards, mais non bien sur c'est un saint!!
Bien fait pour lui la nation qui en a fait une star lui a retire son statut d'etoile du foot! La roue tourne et bye bye!

je ne suis pas americain ni francais et je n'ai aucune nationalite car ce pays n'en est pas un a mes yeux.


Dommage que lorsque quelqu'un donne son opinion et qui malheursement est opposee a celle des autres celui ci se fasse lyncher insulter et traiter de debile... Voila votre ouverture d'esprit que vous pronez!

[Shangrilien]

Non, la France n'est pas un pays parfait mais il faudrait une bonne fois pour toutes que tu comprennes que tu n'es pas le seul à le penser et à le dire.

Si tu es critiqué ici, c'est parce que tu présentes ton opinion de façon insultante (ceux qui ne sont pas de ton avis sont aveugles ou bornés) et que tu fais résonner ton point de vue comme s'il était la Vérité indiscutable en ne tolérant pas un avis différent du tien, ou moins empli de haine que le tien.

Quand vous ouvrirez les yeux et ne vous contenterez pas de ce que l'on vous montre et dit, peut etre verrez vous la realite de cette france si belle!Donc tu sais tout et nous, nous ne voyons rien ? Crois-tu réellement être le seul à être lucide ? C'est assez égocentrique, tu ne trouves pas ?
Le sport n'est qu'utopie S'il te plait, développe cette superbe maxime.
Si j'ai quelque chose a dire je le dis, certe cela vexera certaines personnes mais bon faut bien exister tout de meme. Si pour toi le fait d'exister passe par l'agressivité perpétuelle envers ceux qui ne partagent pas ton point de vue ... A ce moment là, elle est où TON ouverture d'esprit ?
J'aime pas la france avec ses faux semblants, une nation qui prone la tolerance mais qui envoie un porte avion au liban pour proteger les libanais chretiens, quant aux autres qu'ils se debrouillent, ce ne sont que des terroristes! Super le raccourci entre la tolérance et l'évacuation de ressortissants du Liban ! Je suppose que maintenant, tu vas nous donner une leçon de géopolitique ?
Ensuite on nous parle d'une equipe black blanc beur??? Pourquoi pas equipe de france tt court?? Tu es le seul à en parler encore de l'équipe black blanc beur.
Quant a zidane, il est coutumier des coups vicelards, mais non bien sur c'est un saint!! Une fois de plus, non tout le monde ne dit et ne croit pas ça.
Bien fait pour lui Bouh na, c'est vrai ! Et puis je vais le dire à la maîtresse. Et puis la maîtresse, elle va le gronder !
la nation qui en a fait une star lui a retire son statut d'etoile du foot! La roue tourne et bye bye! Tiens juste au-dessus, on en faisait un saint ... faudrait savoir
je ne suis pas americain ni francais et je n'ai aucune nationalite car ce pays n'en est pas un a mes yeux. Ouah le rebelle ! T'aurais pas des lunettes de soleil noires, avec les cheveux longs, un gilet en cuir et une Harley ?
Dommage que lorsque quelqu'un donne son opinion et qui malheursement est opposee a celle des autres celui ci se fasse lyncher insulter et traiter de debile... Voila votre ouverture d'esprit que vous pronez! Et maintenant tu es la pauvre petite victime ! Arrêtes de jouer le martyre de service.

Au fait si tu détestes autant la France, essayes de trouver le pays de tes rêves (si il existe) et vas y vite, très très vite ! Et surtout, n'envoie pas de cartes postales.

[Darth Vader]

Mais de quoi il parle sérieux ? :laugh:

Aimer son pays, ça n'a rien à voir avec la politique ... Je pense que très peu de gens sont satisfaits du gouvernement en place ... il y a aussi bcp de misère en France comme dans tous les pays du monde ... mais qui le nie à part certains politiciens ? :rolleyes2

Quant à Zidane, c'est la même chose ... C'est un modèle pour tous les footballeurs, jeunes ou pros ... pour ses qualités ... persone ne nie qu'il a aussi ses défauts, mais il a tellement apporté que n'importe quel supporter passerait l'éponge sur ses mauvais gestes, surtout qu'il s'est toujours comporté en gentleman en s'excusant auprès des plus jeunes ... Il est aussi engagé comme d'autres sportifs pour de nobles causes ... Tout ça perso je m'en balance, il met fait juste rêver dès qu'il touche un ballon :)