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Bullseye
09-24-2007, 05:14 PM
According to sourses this is selling for $299 at the following Best Buy stores:

Confirmed at following Best Buys:

West Paterson, NJ
Lansing, MI


No go at following Best Buys:

Cary, NC
East Brunswick, NJ
Glendale, CA
Beaverton, OR
Northgate, WA

Hope someone gets in on the deal.

snappahead
09-24-2007, 07:27 PM
I can't help but think this is a BAD thing for the PS3. The PS2 benefited greatly from the fact that it was a cheaper dvd player and it had to help PS3 sales early on that it was a cheaper BD player...Now what does it have going for it?

Bullseye
09-24-2007, 08:00 PM
Not really as the PS3 is a piece of equipment which can adapt. Like for Profile 2 firmware upgrades and PiP. That and it has a harddrive and plays games. The price will also come down. I believe there is going to be a 40 gig machine available before Christmas.

DSET
09-24-2007, 08:05 PM
i dont see how its a bad thing for the ps3
think about it

if a bd player costs 300
and ps3 costs 400 (rumored) or even 500
which one are you gonna buy?
youd have to be an idiot not to fork out the extra dough for a console, unless you dont play games at all or dont have kids. Even then the ps3 offers web browsing photo sharing and multimedia inputs.

snappahead
09-24-2007, 08:09 PM
True..but cheap dvd player was a big selling point for PS2 and now that the PS3 isn't the cheapest option for BD on the market (even with the new 40 gig model) it doesn't have that going for it anymore. It sure don't help an already struggling console.

snappahead
09-24-2007, 08:10 PM
i dont see how its a bad thing for the ps3
think about it

if a bd player costs 300
and ps3 costs 400 (rumored) or even 500
which one are you gonna buy?
youd have to be an idiot not to fork out the extra dough for a console, unless you dont play games at all or dont have kids. Even then the ps3 offers web browsing photo sharing and multimedia inputs.

I'd buy the PS3, but that's because I play games. Not everyone does. Some folk just want a BD player and it's no longer the cheapest option..that's all I'm sayin.

It's true that the PS3 offers those other features, but who doesn't have a PC these days?

Bullseye
09-24-2007, 08:15 PM
Apart from the price i really do not see any reason not to buy the PS3. Its a stunning piece of equipment which can adapt to new software. In order for BD to get into everyones living room someone is going to have to produce a cheap BD player which maynot have all the special features. Its part of the evolution of any format. When DVD machines first came out they were expensive and then secondary companies such as Sanyo for example made cheaper players. It did not really harm the upper end of the home entertainment systems. There is plenty of room for the guy who only wants to spend $100 and the guy who wants to spend $10000.

Bullseye
09-24-2007, 08:17 PM
Also these games consoles generally have a life cycle of 10 years. I am sure the PS2 will compensate for any loss the PS3 might be making at present. With new games coming online those BD discs and hi-def games are the evolution of that format. I've read that the X-Box is not setting the world alight with profits for MS. Infact they are loosing money.

snappahead
09-24-2007, 08:27 PM
Apart from the price i really do not see any reason not to buy the PS3. Its a stunning piece of equipment which can adapt to new software. In order for BD to get into everyones living room someone is going to have to produce a cheap BD player which maynot have all the special features. Its part of the evolution of any format. When DVD machines first came out they were expensive and then secondary companies such as Sanyo for example made cheaper players. It did not really harm the upper end of the home entertainment systems. There is plenty of room for the guy who only wants to spend $100 and the guy who wants to spend $10000.

I wasn't referring to the effect this would have on BD..just PS3. I know your'e hopelessly devoted, but even you have to realize this can't HELP PS3. One of it's big selling points has been the affordable BD player aspect, which is now irrelevant. The $100 guy will buy the cheapest player he can get and the $10,000 guy will buy the most expensive one he can get..as a result, neither will buy a PS3.

Bullseye
09-24-2007, 08:30 PM
The HD-DVD guys cannot have it both ways. Firstly they said the PS3 cannot be considered a BD stand alone player and now it cannot be considered the most affordable BD player?? The HD camp have been saying that the PS3 is a games console when in fact its an entertainment console which can do both. The X-box requires an external add on, which shows the confidence MS has in the format war. At least make it an internal drive. While you guys may not notice it in the US the X-Box Elite is only $100 (in Ireland) less than the PS3. If you add the add one HD drive its more expensive.

snappahead
09-24-2007, 08:31 PM
Also these games consoles generally have a life cycle of 10 years. I am sure the PS2 will compensate for any loss the PS3 might be making at present. With new games coming online those BD discs and hi-def games are the evolution of that format. I've read that the X-Box is not setting the world alight with profits for MS. Infact they are loosing money.

Losing money LOL....Whatever MS is losing, Sony's losing WAY more. They were losing a ton of money when they priced the 60 gig PS3 at $600. Now, they're taking huge hits to make these lower priced models. I think they have to do it and should've done it from the beginning, but they're losing huge with these systems. I think in the end PS3 will win this gen, but ONLY because of Japan. Sony could release a turd in a box and it'd sell better than anything MS makes. They simply don't like western games or gaming consoles.

Bullseye
09-24-2007, 08:34 PM
They are charging €600 which is about $750 here so whatever drop they are making in the US they are well making up for it here in Europe.

Also the PS3 is hardly a turd in a box. Although i know you are not really referrring to it as one. There is nothing wrong with alittle nationalism when it comes to supporting your own industry. ie the Japanese supporting a Japanese company.;)

snappahead
09-24-2007, 08:50 PM
They are charging €600 which is about $750 here so whatever drop they are making in the US they are well making up for it here in Europe.

Also the PS3 is hardly a turd in a box. Although i know you are not really referrring to it as one. There is nothing wrong with alittle nationalism when it comes to supporting your own industry. ie the Japanese supporting a Japanese company.;)

Didn't say PS3 was a turd in a box, I was making a point about the Japanese market towards western products versus their own. I guess you knew that. nationalism is great, but being biased isn't. If it ain't Japanese...piss off seems to be their creed.

Also, one little tidbit you may be interested in, is the small fact that electronic entertainment equipment, such as the ps3, xbox360, and your high end entertainment gear have large taxes associated with them when they are imported in other countries. Some nations actually have over a 30% tax. While the PS3 is selling for 600 euro's, that is not profit. Overall they were loosing a good amount of money per console, not per console in the states.

Bullseye
09-24-2007, 09:08 PM
The same could have been said about the American Car industry in the 70's and 80's when the Japanese were importing their cars into the US. Its all part of the fun of an open economy.

snappahead
09-24-2007, 09:16 PM
The same could have been said about the American Car industry in the 70's and 80's when the Japanese were importing their cars into the US. Its all part of the fun of an open economy.Yeah, thats why a honda civic costs 15,000 instead of 9,000.

Also, lets not forget that in todays auto market, the odds are that toyota is more likely to be made in america over ford, you know the guys that make the volvo.

risingstar
09-24-2007, 09:48 PM
According to sourses this is selling for $299 at the following Best Buy stores:


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That's an amazing price.

risingstar
09-24-2007, 09:58 PM
According to sourses this is selling for $299 at the following Best Buy stores:



Hope someone gets in on the deal.


I just called the NJ store, and they said they're selling the bdp-1400 for $499.
Perhaps the source made an error?

When I pressed further, they stated that Best Buy is actually liquidating the Samsung BDP-1000 for $299. Maybe that's what the source meant? That bdp-1000 is the first gen blu ray player that still had bugs in it. It originally sold for $1000. It's now a tough sell as superior models are coming out at half that price.

By x-mas rush, I think blu-rays will be going for $300 (your source price), perhaps less. It seems companies are desperate to get people on board. Right now, I only know one person who forked over the dough to buy a blu ray player. He feels pretty silly now knowing he paid so much for a player that now sells for less than half.

I sure hope this format war ends soon. I'm getting pretty tired of sitting out on the sidelines... lol.

The General
09-24-2007, 11:30 PM
Is it desperation or is this the first signs of Blu Ray throwing in the towel? :peoples:

Selling a $1,000 dollar player for $300 is pretty freak'n desperate. Only time will tell.:DJsmile:

snappahead
09-25-2007, 12:01 AM
Is it desperation or is this the first signs of Blu Ray throwing in the towel? :peoples:

Selling a $1,000 dollar player for $300 is pretty freak'n desperate. Only time will tell.:DJsmile:

I don't know if I'd call it desperation or a good business decision. I mean...Make the players cheap and it'll be an easier sell for people to go BD. Then again..it doesn't really help Samsung to sell these cheap...hmm. I've confused myself...

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 04:51 AM
Is it desperation or is this the first signs of Blu Ray throwing in the towel? :peoples:

Selling a $1,000 dollar player for $300 is pretty freak'n desperate. Only time will tell.:DJsmile:

Haven't they bought out their second generation player. I think its just clearing out stock to make way for newer models. I could be wrong though.

risingstar
09-25-2007, 05:43 AM
Is there actually a best buy out there selling the bdp-1400 at $299 or not??

:D

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 07:07 AM
Not sure but here is the original information. It was also posted over at the AVS forum.
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=17772

risingstar
09-25-2007, 07:50 AM
We saw this one coming... especially as people seem to be becoming more impatient with the format wars and of the idea of the studios takings sides and signing exclusive deals.

"....Samsung announced that it plans to release a "Duo HD" player this year, capable of playing both HD DVD and Blu-ray discs, though the company has yet to specify pricing and availability...."

That Dreamworks deal seems so stupid now, don't you think?

:D

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 08:15 AM
Formats are generally always more expensive when they initially come onto the market. Over time prices will come down and less expensive machines will come onto the market.

The General
09-25-2007, 09:35 AM
Formats are generally always more expensive when they initially come onto the market. Over time prices will come down and less expensive machines will come onto the market.

Yeah especially when Sony is backing it.

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 10:16 AM
Yeah especially when Sony is backing it.

HTSA to Support Blu-ray Exclusively


Home Theater Specialists of America (HTSA) has announced that they are now officially supporting Blu-ray as their sole high definition movie format. After conducting an internal survey of their customer base, they discovered that 92% of high definition players sold were Blu-ray, with the remaining 8% being HD DVD or combo players. HTSA based their decision to back Blu-ray on those numbers which clearly show the preference of their customer base.
Jay Vandenbree, President of Consumer Sales for Sony commented, "At a time when ever-changing technology tests just how much one can know about everything, HTSA has chosen Blu-Ray Disc as the format they support. I think it speaks volumes when support comes from those who specialize in home theater, and are closest to the consumer."

HTSA represents 62 home theater installers/retailers and $500M in sales.

MiamiLoco
09-25-2007, 11:12 AM
I wonder what the HD-DVD Borg is going to say about that, LOL

The General
09-25-2007, 11:20 AM
I wonder what the HD-DVD Borg is going to say about that, LOL

Big freak'n deal is what I say. If Universal dumps HD-DVD that would be huge but this.:thumbsdow

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 11:33 AM
Big freak'n deal is what I say. If Universal dumps HD-DVD that would be huge but this.:thumbsdow

A bit like that magazine calling the Toshiba the best hi-Def player lol.

BTW that women on your avatar is Jenna Jameson:thumbs2: and Vivid are neutral.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e130/rjbreslin/mainshot_jenna.jpg

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 11:43 AM
Check out its members.;)
http://www.htsa.com/manufacturers.php

MiamiLoco
09-25-2007, 11:51 AM
Check out its members.;)
http://www.htsa.com/manufacturers.php
Big freak'n deal!
http://i22.tinypic.com/10dff6h.jpg

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 11:57 AM
Paramounts "Borg of Directors".

risingstar
09-25-2007, 12:27 PM
Check out its members.;)
http://www.htsa.com/manufacturers.php




Wow... looks like the General's been taking some solid shots in the later rounds. Maybe he's tired. Maybe he's given it up.

:D

The General
09-25-2007, 01:19 PM
A bit like that magazine calling the Toshiba the best hi-Def player lol.



Please it's just as big a deal as a company that makes 5 million dollars a year announcing they're backing Blu Ray. Who cares??? Downplay the article all you want zombulls but the fact is that I still haven't heard a real response from you or any of the zombies about it. Refusing to believe it isn't a response. If Blu Ray is so fantastical and their players are so great there shouldn't be an expert much less expertS on earth that said what those guys said.

Wow... looks like the General's been taking some solid shots in the later rounds. Maybe he's tired. Maybe he's given it up.

:D

Please, you call that solid shots? A home theater company backing Blu ray and a bunch of cyborg pics? Pffffff:peoples:

These zombies don't have anything for me except a bunch of pie charts and BS rumors. The problem is that this war is allot closer than the zombies think and they refuse to admit it.

MiamiLoco
09-25-2007, 01:22 PM
These zombies don't have anything for me except a bunch of pie charts and BS rumors. The problem is that this war is allot closer than the zombies think and they refuse to admit it.
And what do you have? Oh yeah "Sony formats have failed in the past, so they will fail again" yeah, now I remember ;)

The General
09-25-2007, 01:38 PM
Big freak'n deal!
http://i22.tinypic.com/10dff6h.jpg
I'm happy I'm entertaining you bro.

Honestly Loco give it a rest. I wouldn't mind your quips and cyborg pics if you were participating in the actual debate but all you're doing is trying to piss me off and that is the fact that irks me - Not the cyborg pics and not your jokes it's the fact that all your after is to get under my skin. Why I don't know. I must have gotten under your skin at some point to get you obsessed with heckling me. I'm not a clown here for your entertainment dude so if you insist on heckling me at least humor me and post something about the actual format war once in while so I can at least have a reason to fight the urge to send you to hell.

And what do you have? Oh yeah "Sony formats have failed in the past, so they will fail again" yeah, now I remember ;)

FYI looking at Sony's history in failed formats is very relevant. So to answer your question that is one of the things "I have". What do you have aside for the desire to annoy me? That's the real question here.

CocoPUFF
09-25-2007, 01:45 PM
True..but cheap dvd player was a big selling point for PS2 and now that the PS3 isn't the cheapest option for BD on the market (even with the new 40 gig model) it doesn't have that going for it anymore. It sure don't help an already struggling console.

play heavenly sword....then you won't see it as a bluray player anymore.....but the superior game console when more games start to come out like this in the future...I was a PS3 naysayer once....not anymore...I bought it for the bluray player, now I can't wait for more games to come out for it!:buttrock:

The General
09-25-2007, 02:55 PM
Let me mix things up and actually post something about the format war. Some new news.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Forecasts/Forrester:_Format_War_is_Blu-rays_to_Lose/1005

These guys feel it's Blu-Rays war to lose. I kind of agree because if Sony and the BDA weren't such retards they would have won a long time ago. It's not even about who's better, with the studio support they had if they would have had affordable players from day 1 this war would have been over a long time ago but as usual Sony has to have the most expensive difficult to work with format.

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 03:00 PM
Interesting article. But did anyone check to see if they could buy those cheap Samsungs? I know a couple of the guys on the BD forum called it was confirmed. I wonder if it is a store specific deal?

Come on guys lets play nice. In all honesty do we want to fall out because a few companies could not get their act together and hammer out a deal. I am all for good old honest slagging but there is no need to make it personal. I don't want to be closing down a thread everytime the debate gets over heated.

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 03:06 PM
Let me mix things up and actually post something about the format war. Some new news.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Forecasts/Forrester:_Format_War_is_Blu-rays_to_Lose/1005

These guys feel it's Blu-Rays war to lose. I kind of agree because if Sony and the BDA weren't such retards they would have won a long time ago. It's not even about who's better, with the studio support they had if they would have had affordable players from day 1 this war would have been over a long time ago but as usual Sony has to have the most expensive difficult to work with format.

Put aside your hate for Sony for a moment General and answer this honesly. Are you for consumer choice and freedom of choice to buy a product?

If you are then how can you justify a company propping itself up by rewarding a former neutral company to give up its neutrality and go exclusive, to the side which was selling the less of its titles? Now put away your hate for Sony and answer it honestly.:thumbs2:

The General
09-25-2007, 03:19 PM
Put aside your hate for Sony for a moment General and answer this honesly. Are you for consumer choice and freedom of choice to buy a product?

If you are then how can you justify a company propping itself up by rewarding a former neutral company to give up its neutrality and go exclusive, to the side which was selling the less of its titles? Now put away your hate for Sony and answer it honestly.:thumbs2:

I would have liked for all the studios to have been neutral from the beginning. If they would have even with the PS3 HD-DVD having the cheaper players and easier to work with format would have won this thing already. Toshiba and the HD camp are just playing by the rules laid out. If they wouldn't have done what they did the BDA would have done it. I believe the consumer should have been able to pick the winner but that went out the window a long time ago. Paramount felt the HD-DVD was the smart choice and they jumped. Of course money had to be involved. Disney and the rest of the BDA are in it for the money too. It's not like they're in it solely because they feel that Blu Ray is better. That's part of it but it's definitely the money also. So again I believe that we should have been able to decide this but since that right has been taken away from us from the jump as a HD-DVD supporter I'm happy about the Paramount/Dreamworks deal.

CocoPUFF
09-25-2007, 03:21 PM
so what's up with this third format? I think it way too late in the game for it. Any one know the studio support this has? details? I know nothing of this new format...

risingstar
09-25-2007, 03:43 PM
Interesting article. But did anyone check to see if they could buy those cheap Samsungs? I know a couple of the guys on the BD forum called it was confirmed. I wonder if it is a store specific deal?



Well, where??

:D

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 03:50 PM
Well, where??

:D

Your in the states I'm not:confused2 Go and check.

The General
09-25-2007, 06:40 PM
Your in the states I'm not:confused2 Go and check.

Hey Bulls was my answer honest enough or what?

What say you bastich??

Sorry about earlier Bulls. I should take the high road every once in a while. Looking back I'm upset with myself. I shouldn't have taken the bait. It's all good though.

CocoPUFF
09-25-2007, 06:47 PM
I just called the NJ store, and they said they're selling the bdp-1400 for $499.
Perhaps the source made an error?

When I pressed further, they stated that Best Buy is actually liquidating the Samsung BDP-1000 for $299. Maybe that's what the source meant? That bdp-1000 is the first gen blu ray player that still had bugs in it. It originally sold for $1000. It's now a tough sell as superior models are coming out at half that price.

By x-mas rush, I think blu-rays will be going for $300 (your source price), perhaps less. It seems companies are desperate to get people on board. Right now, I only know one person who forked over the dough to buy a blu ray player. He feels pretty silly now knowing he paid so much for a player that now sells for less than half.

I sure hope this format war ends soon. I'm getting pretty tired of sitting out on the sidelines... lol.

I think Target is supposed to have BRD player from 299 this christmas...Walmart is supposed to have HDDVD players for the same or less this christmas as well......not sure how much of this is confirmed though,...

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 07:28 PM
Hey Bulls was my answer honest enough or what?

What say you bastich??

Sorry about earlier Bulls. I should take the high road every once in a while. Looking back I'm upset with myself. I shouldn't have taken the bait. It's all good though.

I can fully understand why you would be happy being a HD-DVD fan. No doubt about it it was a life saver. But i am sure you will understand BD fans and the disappointment and anger they have against Paramount. I personally hope they go under or whomever made the decision is sacked. Its a pity that Cleopatra did not end that studio back in the 50's.

The General
09-25-2007, 07:43 PM
I can fully understand why you would be happy being a HD-DVD fan. No doubt about it it was a life saver. But i am sure you will understand BD fans and the disappointment and anger they have against Paramount. I personally hope they go under or whomever made the decision is sacked. Its a pity that Cleopatra did not end that studio back in the 50's.

Did you catch the article on the hi-def digest site where some guy was predicting that both formats are going to end up coexisting and that all the studios will eventually end up supporting both formats? Interesting read but I don't know how realistic that is. Why would anyone need 2 different hi-def formats???? I guess if it sells they don't care but I don't see this happening.

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 07:45 PM
While it might work in the short run studios are not going to want two formats. Twice the expense and with SD-DVD going to be around for a while it would mean releasing on 3 formats. That would be crazy in the long run.

The General
09-25-2007, 07:48 PM
While it might work in the short run studios are not going to want two formats. Twice the expense and with SD-DVD going to be around for a while it would mean releasing on 3 formats. That would be crazy in the long run.

I think that would be the best thing. Support both formats until there is a clear winner. It would be easier that way - At this rate this thing could drag another 2 years.

Bullseye
09-25-2007, 07:56 PM
18 months to 2 years is a good guess.

risingstar
09-25-2007, 08:53 PM
What gets me is that movie rental places like blockbuster have already taken a side...

Now there's talk of players with 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, and 3.0 audio and video hdmi profiles, each of which provide something different. What we see now are mostly, if not all, 1.0 hdmi formats. There's even more talk about reissuing older blu-ray dvds (as if we may already call them old) in these more updated formats. And, to add more headache to the process, not all players can be upgraded with firmware to meet these new profile ratings.

How do you like them apples?

Wherever I turn, there's something out there to suggest that it is near impossible to feel any long lasting comfort in anything you buy in this market, whether it's HD or BRD.

:D

The General
09-25-2007, 11:46 PM
What gets me is that movie rental places like blockbuster have already taken a side...

Now there's talk of players with 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, and 3.0 audio and video hdmi profiles, each of which provide something different. What we see now are mostly, if not all, 1.0 hdmi formats. There's even more talk about reissuing older blu-ray dvds (as if we may already call them old) in these more updated formats. And, to add more headache to the process, not all players can be upgraded with firmware to meet these new profile ratings.

How do you like them apples?

Wherever I turn, there's something out there to suggest that it is near impossible to feel any long lasting comfort in anything you buy in this market, whether it's HD or BRD.

:D

Blockbuster should be worrying about Netflix not choosing a side in the format war.