HD-DVD News!

[ashley76]

I have a few things so I decided to just put it all in one post!

First expect some big pro HD-DVD news this week!

Could it be that Warner Bros is going HD-DVD exclusive? They haven't renewed their BR contract which expires on Wednesday!

Wal-mart now has the Toshiba HD-A2 for $198.00 in store! My local wal-mart which is a pretty small one and is considered a "home town store" got eleven of these in last week! Wal-mart is rumored to have gotten over 2 million of these babies!

On Black Friday check out Sears for the Toshiba HD-A3 which is listed at $169.99 on that day only!

Remember that when you purchase one of these players you will get a rebate form for 5 free HD-DVD movies!

[Trilogy]

Could it be that Warner Bros is going HD-DVD exclusive? They haven't renewed their BR contract which expires on Wednesday!


I would hope not!

[wolverinejedi007]

Prices are getting better but, I am still going to wait till the war is over before I get any HD DVD or Blueray players.

[ashley76]

I would hope not!


some industry insiders are speculating that that is the plan. That would pretty much put the finishing touches on this war... If that happens then expect Disney to soon jump sides or least go neutral with fox not far behind. Sony may be a few years down the road just because of their bullheadedness (if that is a word)

The reason by announcing it this week is to prepare for the holiday season...

[Trilogy]

I`m not so sure Disney and Fox will jump ship purely because Warner have gone over to HD-DVD. I guess time will tell.

[MiamiLoco]

Yawwwnn!! http://download.skype.com/share/emoticons/0118-yawn.png

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=302669#post302669

I still don’t understand all the recent consternation regarding the idea that WB is imminently wavering in their support of Blu-ray.

I said this on Friday? and I will bold it for emphasis.

All indications on our side are that they (WB) are going to continue to support Blu-ray.

Perhaps a little context is needed. I knew about the Paramount *sell out* quite awhile before the “official announcement”. I even posted a subtle hint to that *poor decision making process* the day before Nikki broke the news on her website.

I do not feel that I am out of the loop on anything here.
My major concern with WB is that they are handcuffed by bit budgets in order to support the HD DVD format…….and we here sometimes suffer the consequence of that compromised product.

[Trilogy]

Who is the person that you have quoted?

[ashley76]

I guess we will find out this week... :)

[CocoPUFF]

WOW! Wal mart is going all HD huh? Isn't Target supporting Blu ray exclusively? Or so I've heard. I could care less. BUY both Formats People. Get off the fence and find inner peace and awesome picture and sound quality!

[Trilogy]

I`m certainly interested to know what this announcement is going to be.

[Brru]

WOW! Wal mart is going all HD huh? Isn't Target supporting Blu ray exclusively? Or so I've heard. I could care less. BUY both Formats People. Get off the fence and find inner peace and awesome picture and sound quality!

Thats all fine and well if you can afford it. Unfortunately we all cant.

My prediction is that WB will go HD. I predict that solely on the fact that its all about money and keeping a "War" alive is more profitable then going full format. Look at all the cash Wal-mart is making by being exclusive during a time of turmoil and how much publicity WB is getting just by saying nothing. By the time this all finishes it wont matter because we will have 3 dimensional optical gel to read and write to lol. Mass production of which is estimated at 2010, so probably a little later. Hopefully by the Mark XVIII will be out and everyone wont care about the flat panels.

[Trilogy]

If its all about the money (which no doubt is the case), would it not make sense for them to stay neutral and reap profits from both sides.

[Brru]

Not when you think about advertising. Nobody cares if you are neutral, but if you create a "lifestyle" then you are god in the eyes of the public. By choosing sides you are participating in your own opinion and feel part of the situation instead of just another person handing over there money.

[ashley76]

good point Brru!

[Trilogy]

An interesting point.

[noseeb13]

This HD news better be good, there is an interview with a guy from Warner that says that they are reevaluating their HD strategy and it sounded like he was leaning towards Blu Ray...

[Bullseye]

This HD news better be good, there is an interview with a guy from Warner that says that they are reevaluating their HD strategy and it sounded like he was leaning towards Blu Ray...

That would be good.:thumbs2:

[CocoPUFF]

I still don't see EVERYBODY jumping on to either format anyways...its still too expensive for alot of people. I know alot of people who were still going VHS untill they started marketing 89 dollar DVD players. THEN they went DVD...198 is still alot for alot of people.

[Kujo]

Over the weekend, a friend of mine brought his PS3 round to mine and we were looking at some BD movies, and i have to say, i was quite unimpressed. I don't know if these movies just have poor transfers (we looked at Spiderman 3, Casino Royal and 300) but they seemed to be quite grainy (especially SM3) and didn't have that smoothness that HD has. Am i looking at the wrong movies, or is this the norm?

I haven't jumped fully into HD yet (only have the HD drive for 360) so don't have many films, but looking at the transfer they have done on Transformers, its fabulous, and i also have a Nine Inch Nails gig on HD which is also perfect. All the other movies i have also have that quality i expect from HD.

Saying that, i recently rented Troy, and it was hard to know you were watching HD!

[galactus]

Does a Blu-Ray player play regular DVDs?

[Trilogy]

This HD news better be good, there is an interview with a guy from Warner that says that they are reevaluating their HD strategy and it sounded like he was leaning towards Blu Ray...

Thats really going to stir things up.

[Jesse321]

Does a Blu-Ray player play regular DVDs?
From my understanding .. yes.

[Trilogy]

Does a Blu-Ray player play regular DVDs?

Yes all Hi-Def players are backward compatible.

[Bullseye]

Over the weekend, a friend of mine brought his PS3 round to mine and we were looking at some BD movies, and i have to say, i was quite unimpressed. I don't know if these movies just have poor transfers (we looked at Spiderman 3, Casino Royal and 300) but they seemed to be quite grainy (especially SM3) and didn't have that smoothness that HD has. Am i looking at the wrong movies, or is this the norm?

I haven't jumped fully into HD yet (only have the HD drive for 360) so don't have many films, but looking at the transfer they have done on Transformers, its fabulous, and i also have a Nine Inch Nails gig on HD which is also perfect. All the other movies i have also have that quality i expect from HD.

Saying that, i recently rented Troy, and it was hard to know you were watching HD!

Must be you tv settings. Is is a HDTV? Whats it output 1080p, 1080i or 720p? I have all of those titles and they look awesome.

[Trilogy]

300 has intentional grain, but nonetheless looks great. Casino Royale is still probably one of the best looking Blu-ray titles out there. S3 also has a great picture.

[CocoPUFF]

Over the weekend, a friend of mine brought his PS3 round to mine and we were looking at some BD movies, and i have to say, i was quite unimpressed. I don't know if these movies just have poor transfers (we looked at Spiderman 3, Casino Royal and 300) but they seemed to be quite grainy (especially SM3) and didn't have that smoothness that HD has. Am i looking at the wrong movies, or is this the norm?

I haven't jumped fully into HD yet (only have the HD drive for 360) so don't have many films, but looking at the transfer they have done on Transformers, its fabulous, and i also have a Nine Inch Nails gig on HD which is also perfect. All the other movies i have also have that quality i expect from HD.

Saying that, i recently rented Troy, and it was hard to know you were watching HD!

check the settings on your PS3...you have to adjust the resolution in the Menu screen...

[MiamiLoco]

Must be you tv settings. Is is a HDTV? Whats it output 1080p, 1080i or 720p? I have all of those titles and they look awesome.
Yeah, those titles look pretty good on my tv, and mind you, I have them on a 34 inch 1080i setting. I'm going to get a 46 inch this Xmas!!

[noseeb13]

That would be good.:thumbs2:

You go away :stick:

[Kujo]

Must be you tv settings. Is is a HDTV? Whats it output 1080p, 1080i or 720p? I have all of those titles and they look awesome.

Yes, its a HDTV with 1080p linked up via HDMI. But if there are settings on the PS3 that need configuring too, then that could be why. The guy had just bought it for his son for x-mas, so hasn't really had chance to mess with it properly.

If thats the case, I'll have to have a look again, but as i said, i wasn't knocked out like i expected.

[Johnneeukca]

Must be you tv settings. Is is a HDTV? Whats it output 1080p, 1080i or 720p? I have all of those titles and they look awesome.

I think a big question here should also be what's your screen size and viewing distance? If you're watching a reletively small (40" or less) screen from a distance in excess of 8 feet then chances are you won't see any differences between 1080 or 720 regardless of whether it's interlaced or progressive.

[Trilogy]

Very true as the screen size is an important factor. The bigger the screen the more likely you are to spot grain etc.

[ashley76]

Take this with a grain of salt...

I'm a Wal-Mart Manager and we just received direction today that this friday we will be having a mini black friday like sale with TV adverstising supposed to be happening tomorrow or Thursday. The Toshiba HD DVD player will go for $99 (it seems like the $198 price point was smokescreen as our district and regional level management seemed to know little about the pricing in some of the initial email communication we received) there will be an assortment of HD DVD's for $14.98, and our Sanyo 50" plasma TV for $999. There are several other items that will be offered at discounted prices but these were the hottest items.

A wal-mart manager

Also here is a link from cnn about the Friday deal doesn't mention what but, is an indicator that something big is planned this Friday...

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/31/news/companies/walmart_holidayspecials/index.htm

[thecallahan]

I'm so on this if true.

[noseeb13]

Holy crap!

[geto10]

Lucky guys, always those great deals in USA.

[MONSTER]

Well this is worth a trip to Wal-Mart Friday morning.

[noseeb13]

I have a 24 hour Wal Mart by my house, I wonder what time they would start this?

[ashley76]

Just keep you ears open. I can't be 100% certain that this is true but, I think they are supposed to let everyone know the deals for Friday on Thursday.

[Trilogy]

Wow! Some great deals going on.

[hawkeyethearcher]

damn

[ashley76]

Here is the list of movies for 14.98...

Clerks 2
Lucky # S7even
Pulse
Failure to Launch
4 Brothers
Italian Job
Sleepy Hollow
Casino
12 Monkeys
Backdraft
Big Lebowski
Sea Biscuit
Alexander Revisted
Blood Diamond
Full Metal Jacket
The Last Samurai
Swordfish
Unforgiven

Even if you walmart doesn't have them instock right now, they are getting shipments today and tomorrow to be ready for Friday...

[CocoPUFF]

This better be true! I HATE going to walmart (Icall it the El Paso Zoo)

[MiamiLoco]

Of course it's true!!! It's some dude online claiming to be a Wal-Mart Manager!!! It's GOTTA BE TRUE!!!

[ashley76]

Same guy who told me the exact week that wal-marts would setup and endcap for HD-DVD/Blu Ray movies. He was right on that...

[noseeb13]

Here is the list of movies for 14.98...


Lucky # S7even
Italian Job
Sleepy Hollow
Casino
Big Lebowski
Full Metal Jacket


Even if you walmart doesn't have them instock right now, they are getting shipments today and tomorrow to be ready for Friday...
There is my shopping list.

[noseeb13]

So where is the big announcement from Warner Bros! Weren't they supposed to have a press release today?

[Bullseye]

Twister has been delayed by WB until 2008. No other news. I believe this was to announce titles buy i have not read any news besides the Twister article.

[Trilogy]

I thought Twister was`nt due until 08 anyway.

[Bullseye]

Seemingly they were trying to release in in December but now its possibly not out til around summer of next year.

[Trilogy]

I thought it was due Jan 08 originally. Nonetheless we have to wait for it now.

[CocoPUFF]

I thought Twister was`nt due until 08 anyway.

twister sukd anyways IMO..

[Trilogy]

twister sukd anyways IMO..

I thought it was a great movie. It had awesome SFX and one of the best DTS audio tracks on DVD.

[CocoPUFF]

I thought it was a great movie. It had awesome SFX and one of the best DTS audio tracks on DVD.

true....but I can't justify buying it for my collection if I didn't enjoy it...I take it back..I didn't like SM3 that much, andbought it and watched it for that reason! lol It was only 5.1 though...I thought it was going to be a 7.1..

[Trilogy]

I will be ordering Twister when released as I`m hoping that it will have an awesome PCM track.

[ashley76]

???? Twister???

[ashley76]

No announcement... Just Internet Rumor I guess...

[CocoPUFF]

No announcement... Just Internet Rumor I guess...

doh! Oh well....trip to the Zoo avoided...:)

[ashley76]

doh! Oh well....trip to the Zoo avoided...:)


You might be confused... Your trip to the zoo is still on! More people have come out and said that the HD-A2 is going to be 99.00!

This rumor he was talking about is a WB announcement not the 99.00 hd-dvd player!

[ashley76]

Also check out http://www.walmart.com/secret to find out if this is true. Tomorrow they will unveil the rest of the gifts and I believe that the HD-DVD is going to be one of them!

[Natrix]

Walmart sale starts Friday for $99 HD-A2 HD DVD player now confirmed on their website along with some $15 movies!

http://holiday.ri-walmart.com/?section=secret&utm_source=wmall&utm_medium=all&utm_campaign=holidaygif

[BigLeagueChu]

Nice!!! Anyone know if that Sanyo plasma is any good?

[MONSTER]

I hope they have a ton in stock Friday.

[noseeb13]

Looks like they only have 3 HD DVDs on sale =(

[Trilogy]

I hope they have a ton in stock Friday.

I`m guessing there`s going to be many an upset consumer if they have not.

[Trilogy]

Where`s the "big news"??

[ashley76]

Of course it's true!!! It's some dude online claiming to be a Wal-Mart Manager!!! It's GOTTA BE TRUE!!!

I guess my source was correct... :thumbs2:

visit www.walmart.com/secret (http://www.walmart.com/secret) to see!

[ashley76]

I am guessing WB will have some info soon after they see the attach rate of HD-DVD owners after Friday! I mean my very, very, very small wal-mart got 12 of these in last week. They will sell out Friday! Wal-mart supposedly ordered 2 million of these players. If that is the case then Blu is going to be very blue this weekend...

[Bullseye]

Don't know if I have gotten my sums right here but what your saying is:

A $200 machine at 2 million units = $400 million

Now valued at $99 at 2 million units = $198 million

A loss of $202 million and Wal-Mart are going to foot the bill. I think not. This shows massive desperation on behalf of Toshiba. They have no faith in their machines selling at a cost which will enable them make a profit.

[Bullseye]

The link is not working.

[Trilogy]

I have to agree with B. This seems to be a desperate act backed by the HD camp. There is no way this is not a HD promotion driven by the manufacturers.

[Trilogy]

The link worked for me.

[Bullseye]

Toshiba have to look at the big picture here too. If they do win the format war how do they expect other manufacturers to start making machines so cheap. They will tell them to go **** themselves. This is totally unsustanable and will do more damage in the long run for that format.

[Bullseye]

The link worked for me.

This is what i got.
Service Unavailable - DNS failure
The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later.

[ashley76]

LMAO bulls! This holiday season looks like it just my decide the fate of both formats... If Toshiba pulls this off and puts and extra 2 million HD-DVD players in home (not including best buy and sears having the HD-A3 for 169.99) then just think... Blu want be winning the movie lead every week like they have... WB will definately go HD-DVD exclusive w/Disney and Fox not that far behind...

[ashley76]

try putting a / on the end of secret... or

http://www.wal-mart.com/secret/

[Trilogy]

This is what i got.
Service Unavailable - DNS failure
The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later.

Still working for me. Try here (http://holiday.ri-walmart.com/?section=secret) again.

[snappahead]

Toshiba have to look at the big picture here too. If they do win the format war how do they expect other manufacturers to start making machines so cheap. They will tell them to go **** themselves. This is totally unsustanable and will do more damage in the long run for that format.

As Trilogy has pointed out before, some people like to buy expensive stuff. Just because these Toshiba machines are cheap, doesn't mean that every company has to make cheap units. There's a market for high and low.

[ashley76]

Plus 14.98 HD-DVDs! Life is great!

[Trilogy]

Toshiba have to look at the big picture here too. If they do win the format war how do they expect other manufacturers to start making machines so cheap. They will tell them to go **** themselves. This is totally unsustanable and will do more damage in the long run for that format.

I think the problem is that they are not looking at the long term but rather at pushing sales as we reach the run up to Christmas.

[Bullseye]

LMAO bulls! This holiday season looks like it just my decide the fate of both formats... If Toshiba pulls this off and puts and extra 2 million HD-DVD players in home (not including best buy and sears having the HD-A3 for 169.99) then just think... Blu want be winning the movie lead every week like they have... WB will definately go HD-DVD exclusive w/Disney and Fox not that far behind...

Yeah but they will be the only company producing these at $99. The others will tell them to keep their format.

[Trilogy]

LMAO bulls! This holiday season looks like it just my decide the fate of both formats... If Toshiba pulls this off and puts and extra 2 million HD-DVD players in home (not including best buy and sears having the HD-A3 for 169.99) then just think... Blu want be winning the movie lead every week like they have... WB will definately go HD-DVD exclusive w/Disney and Fox not that far behind...

I still can`t see Fox and Disney jumping ship due to Warner doing so. I think that Sony, Fox and Disney are still enough to sustain the format.

[ashley76]

Don't know if I have gotten my sums right here but what your saying is:

A $200 machine at 2 million units = $400 million

Now valued at $99 at 2 million units = $198 million

A loss of $202 million and Wal-Mart are going to foot the bill. I think not. This shows massive desperation on behalf of Toshiba. They have no faith in their machines selling at a cost which will enable them make a profit.

Bulls, even if it is a loss, it is a very small price to pay for the future! That is what most people over look. The future of each format. Toshibas goal is to have as many of these players in homes. This one day sale puts an immediate 2 million in homes. Not to mention the HD-DVD movie sale which will also boost those sells as well... WB will see this in probably a few short days and decide that they will go HD exclusive... After that happens...

[snappahead]

I have to agree with B. This seems to be a desperate act backed by the HD camp. There is no way this is not a HD promotion driven by the manufacturers.

If it IS a promotion from within..it hardly seems like a bad move. It's all about install base at this point. I still have no idea as to whether this will make a difference or not, but I don't think it's a bad thing for HD DVD.

[Bullseye]

As Trilogy has pointed out before, some people like to buy expensive stuff. Just because these Toshiba machines are cheap, doesn't mean that every company has to make cheap units. There's a market for high and low.

$400 - $600 is not high end by any stretch of the imagination.

$99 is the dregs.

[snappahead]

Bulls, even if it is a loss, it is a very small price to pay for the future! That is what most people over look. The future of each format. Toshibas goal is to have as many of these players in homes. This one day sale puts an immediate 2 million in homes. Not to mention the HD-DVD movie sale which will also boost those sells as well... WB will see this in probably a few short days and decide that they will go HD exclusive... After that happens...

Right..Same reason Sony's willing to take huge losses on the PS3. For the install base.

[Bullseye]

I still can`t see Fox and Disney jumping ship due to Warner doing so. I think that Sony, Fox and Disney are still enough to sustain the format.

I agree. If WB were to go to HD-DVD then it would be equal studios on both sides with BD disc sales still superior as they have been all year.

[ashley76]

But, when the install base is that much larger than Blu's... It will make Fox/Disney rethink there stance... Look at all the money they will be losing out on... Heck it would be a death nail if just one of those two went format neutral...

[Trilogy]

As Trilogy has pointed out before, some people like to buy expensive stuff. Just because these Toshiba machines are cheap, doesn't mean that every company has to make cheap units. There's a market for high and low.

I think that by putting out these players they will gain much more interest in the market. The consumer will take the bait and buy into the format. Once they`ve done so, then they may perhaps consider upgrading to a better/ more expensive player.

The whole point of the exercise is to get the consumers interest in the first place.

[snappahead]

$400 - $600 is not high end by any stretch of the imagination.

$99 is the dregs.

You think that...but most people don't. And it's a $200 player being offered for $100. I don't see that as a dregs. If it were a Sony player being discounted to $100, would you feel the same?

[snappahead]

I think that by putting out these players they will gain much more interest in the market. The consumer will take the bait and buy into the format. Once they`ve done so, then they may perhaps consider upgrading to a better/ more expensive player.

The whole point of the exercise is to get the consumers interest in the first place.

Exactly. We finally agree on something!

[Bullseye]

But, when the install base is that much larger than Blu's... It will make Fox/Disney rethink there stance... Look at all the money they will be losing out on... Heck it would be a death nail if just one of those two went format neutral...

The same could be said for Universal and Paramount. Look at all the money they are missing out on on BD sales. America is the only place this format war is going on. BD is at 60 - 70% in Europe and in 90% in Japan. I see BD discs in most shops I visit but have see little or no HD-DVDs.

[Trilogy]

I think the other thing to remember is that Fox and Disney were always very strong Blu-ray supporters. Whereas Warner have wavered and were at one stage HD exclusive.

[Bullseye]

You think that...but most people don't. And it's a $200 player being offered for $100. I don't see that as a dregs. If it were a Sony player being discounted to $100, would you feel the same?

$499 to $399 is not the same. $99 is something you spend on a meal not a decent home enterainment unit. Maybe we just differ on the amounts of money we spend on things like this. :)

[Trilogy]

Exactly. We finally agree on something!

lol. I did`nt think that we really disagreed on much anyway. ;)

[Trilogy]

The same could be said for Universal and Paramount. Look at all the money they are missing out on on BD sales. America is the only place this format war is going on. BD is at 60 - 70% in Europe and in 90% in Japan. I see BD discs in most shops I visit but have see little or no HD-DVDs.

This war could very well go in a different direction. HD-DVD could become the dominant format for just the US, whilst Blu-ray has EU and others. There may never be a world wide winner.

[snappahead]

$499 to $399 is not the same. $99 is something you spend on a meal not a decent home enterainment unit. Maybe we just differ on the amounts of money we spend on things like this. :)

Don't be sucha snob. You're putting way too much importance on the price tag. Higher price doesn't mean it's better.

[snappahead]

lol. I did`nt think that we really disagreed on much anyway. ;)

Hehe..no, not really. But lately we've had some spirited disagreements about a few things. It's all good though. I've enjoyed it.

[Bullseye]

Actually at €35 (a head) its closer to $49.7 per head or $99.40 for a meal here in Ireland and thats not at a posh restaurant.

I would disagree on the price. You cannot compare a $99 player to a $1000 and say its every bit as good in all regards.

[Trilogy]

Don't be sucha snob.

http://www.emotihost.com/lol/4.gif

[Trilogy]

Hehe..no, not really. But lately we've had some spirited disagreements about a few things. It's all good though. I've enjoyed it.

Yep its been fun and may it continue. lol :thumbs2:

[Trilogy]

I would disagree on the price. You cannot compare a $99 player to a $1000 and say its every bit as good in all regards.

100% agree. It would`nt even come close to the same results.

[snappahead]

Actually at €35 (a head) its closer to $49.7 per head or $99.40 for a meal here in Ireland and thats not at a posh restaurant.

I would disagree on the price. You cannot compare a $99 player to a $1000 and say its every bit as good in all regards.

No..I would hope you're right. But this isn't what we're talking about is it? You're saying that if it's $100 it is a piece of junk. That's a poor assumption.

[Bullseye]

I'm not saying its a piece of junk. But its not as good as a Pioneer Elite:) And to suggest it is, would be quite frankly be "madness".

[snappahead]

I'm not saying its a piece of junk. But its not as good as a Pioneer Elite:) And to suggest it is, would be quite frankly be "madness".

Not a piece of junk..just dregs.

When did I say it's "just as good" as anything? I said it wasn't automatically dregs because of it's price tag.

[Trilogy]

Bulls, even if it is a loss, it is a very small price to pay for the future! That is what most people over look. The future of each format. Toshibas goal is to have as many of these players in homes. This one day sale puts an immediate 2 million in homes. Not to mention the HD-DVD movie sale which will also boost those sells as well... WB will see this in probably a few short days and decide that they will go HD exclusive... After that happens...

This is no doubt a bold move by HD-DVD. As I`ve said the whole point is to gain consumers interest in the format. Which this is obviously going to do.

However I can`t see this influencing Warner to go HD exclusive.

[Trilogy]

If it IS a promotion from within..it hardly seems like a bad move. It's all about install base at this point. I still have no idea as to whether this will make a difference or not, but I don't think it's a bad thing for HD DVD.

Definitely not a bad thing for HD. By doing this they push their format into more homes and gain more interest. Whether it will make any difference to the "war" is something only time can tell.

[Bullseye]

Even if they do sell these 2 million units. Most of these people will rent or buy the occassional disc. They are not hardcore like us on these boards:)

[snappahead]

This is no doubt a bold move by HD-DVD. As I`ve said the whole point is to gain consumers interest in the format. Which this is obviously going to do.

However I can`t see this influencing Warner to go HD exclusive.

I agree...unless this is more successful than we realize. If the install base grows by leaps and bounds because of this new price point, it's possible that Warner might start having second thoughts. At the very least, it could keep Warner neutral.

[snappahead]

Even if they do sell these 2 million units. Most of these people will rent or buy the occassional disc. They are not hardcore like us on these boards:)

Since when do you have to be hardcore to buy a movie?

[Bullseye]

Its not their latest model. Why are they not selling their latest model at this price? They need to ship these out as they are taking up too much space in the warehouse. Bit like the dregs you need to get rid of them to make way for the newer stuff coming out.

Anyway enjoy these players those who buy them.

[Bullseye]

Eh? Why would you spend $6 to rent a movie once when you could spend $15 to buy it outright?

[Trilogy]

I agree...unless this is more successful than we realize. If the install base grows by leaps and bounds because of this new price point, it's possible that Warner might start having second thoughts. At the very least, it could keep Warner neutral.

I think the most logical outcome with regards Warner is that it will keep them neutral.

[ashley76]

Its not their latest model. Why are they not selling their latest model at this price? They need to ship these out as they are taking up too much space in the warehouse. Bit like the dregs you need to get rid of them to make way for the newer stuff coming out.

Anyway enjoy these players those who buy them.


Actually the HD-A3 isn't that much more... Go to sears and you can pick it up for 169.99...

[Bullseye]

Isn't that only for the Black Friday?

As of November 1st 2007 a 1080P/24 3rd generation HD-DVD player is only $51.50 cheaper compared to a 3rd generation 1080P/24 BLU-RAY player.

A factory new Samsung BD-P1400 with HDMI 1.3, Ethernet port, and 1080P/24 support can be purchased as low as $369.
http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Other/Samsung-BDP1400-SP16695513.html?query=bdp-1400

A factory new Toshiba HD-A30 with HDMI 1.3, Ethernet port, and 1080P/24 support can be purchased as low as $317.50.
http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Other/Toshiba-HD-A30-SP16591039.html?query=HD-A30

[snappahead]

Its not their latest model. Why are they not selling their latest model at this price? They need to ship these out as they are taking up too much space in the warehouse. Bit like the dregs you need to get rid of them to make way for the newer stuff coming out.

Anyway enjoy these players those who buy them.

I give up. You're right Bulls. Nothing that plays an hd dvd is worth buying. You happy. Geez.

[snappahead]

Eh? Why would you spend $6 to rent a movie once when you could spend $15 to buy it outright?

Wha?

[Johnneeukca]

Don't be sucha snob. You're putting way too much importance on the price tag. Higher price doesn't mean it's better.

Higher price tag DOES mean extra features though. The HD DVD Model A2 (which is just about discontinued in favour of the A3) is a 1080I player. The higher priced models are being advertised in the small print as being "full" HD DVD players because they are 1080p players. However, if you have a set larger than 40" that deinterlaces properly you will not see any difference between the A3 model and the more expensive ones.

Like everything else you need to sort the crap from the marketing here.

And on the Walmart/Warner issue it wouldn't surprise me if they are related: i.e. WB says to Tosh "you get X milliion units in the market and we'll go HDDVD exclusive." Walmart is the means to do that.

[Bullseye]

It costs around $6 to rent a movie for the night. This will be the average Joe. Hardcore collectors buy their movies so that they can watch them over and over. This is the main market for discs. Sales not renting.

[Bullseye]

I give up. You're right Bulls. Nothing that plays an hd dvd is worth buying. You happy. Geez.

Gez. Don't give up that quickly. You have the excellent Bourne Trilogy which i am very jealous of.:thumbs2:

[snappahead]

Gez. Don't give up that quickly. You have the excellent Bourne Trilogy which i am very jealous of.:thumbs2:

Bulls....you kill me..you really do. You know I don't have an HD DVD player. I have a BD player (pS3) just like you. Saying "you" have Bourne Trilogy suggests that you believe I'm an HD DVD guy, which you should know by now that I'm not. Right now, I'm neither.

John..I agree with you. Extra functionality does cost you.

I give up on the price argument. It's going nowhere. But the other stuff is a go for me. I'm enjoying the conversations too much to walk away from those.

[snappahead]

I know a whole buttload of every day shmoes who buy dvds all the time. It's not a hardcore group..it's almost everyone. Now, I will agree that the price of hd movies might be prohibitive for the average movie buyer. But, those prices will surely come down. But no matter what, the first step is getting hardware into homes and this is a big step.

[Bullseye]

I guess what i am trying to say is that people who invest in buying DVDs are more emotionally attached to the format than those who simply rent. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Johnneeukca]

Hey,

is anybody going to Walmart tomorrow for a $99 A2? Is so would somone be kind enough to pick one up for me and ship it across the border. Unforunately free trade still means "we got you over a barrell buddy" and Walmart Canada will not be carrying the discount.

ANybody. Please?

[Bullseye]

Sorry snappa i though you had a HD-DVD player? You see your not as emotionally involved in this format war as people who have invested in either format so sorry if i come across as pushy;)

[snappahead]

I guess what i am trying to say is that people who invest in buying DVDs are more emotionally attached to the format than those who simply rent. Maybe I'm wrong.

I would tend to agree except they don't have to give up dvds to go HD. I'm on the fence myself and that's never been an issue for me. I've got around 200 dvds and I know they'll still play in whatever hd player I end up with. I don't know many people other than you maybe:) that get emotionally attached to a format.

[snappahead]

Sorry snappa i though you had a HD-DVD player? You see your not as emotionally involved in this format war as people who have invested in either format so sorry if i come across as pushy;)

LOL..No, no hd dvd player in my house yet. Why must anyone get emotionally involved with either format? I don't understand this mentality which is why I like to break your balls.:thumbs2:

[Bullseye]

Its like supporting your favourite football team. You want them to win. lol

[snappahead]

Its like supporting your favourite football team. You want them to win. lol

I honestly didn't realize you thought of it that way. That explains alot. It doesn't make any sense to me, but it explains your hardcore nature towards this stuff. Most people tend to cheer for the team that's closest to them. I live in NC so I root for the Panthers in Charlotte. Why do you root for a Japanese company?

[ashley76]

Yuck, Panthers fan! Next year Petrino will have the Falcons in the Playoffs!

[snappahead]

Yuck, Panthers fan! Next year Petrino will have the Falcons in the Playoffs!

Oh boy...let's not go this direction with this thread. I'm not a big sports guy..just making the point that I root for the Panthers cause they're my team in NC.

[cougartrace]

Many companies will take a loss on a product to get market share.

I still have no clue who will win this format war if anyone wins it. But, I'm hoping it ends soon.

[Natrix]

Its not their latest model. Why are they not selling their latest model at this price? They need to ship these out as they are taking up too much space in the warehouse. Bit like the dregs you need to get rid of them to make way for the newer stuff coming out.

Anyway enjoy these players those who buy them.

Funny, if it were last generation Blu Ray players being sold at this price you would praise the move to get the players in homes...

[Bullseye]

I have praised Toshiba for the move. And since no BD manu have followed suite how can i praise them.

[Bullseye]

If an when there is one HD format then DVDs will eventually over time be discontinued. Whats the point in producing HDTVs if your going to employ DVDs on them.

[Trilogy]

Blu-ray and HD-DVD movie titles were marketed with the intent that they will replace the DVD due to the lack of profit that companies are now making in that market.

[Bullseye]

Next up downloads.

[Trilogy]

I`d rather have a hard copy.

[Bullseye]

Me too. But having 200 or 300 Hi-Def in a nicely designed hard-box would be cool too.

[The General]

Even if they do sell these 2 million units. Most of these people will rent or buy the occassional disc. They are not hardcore like us on these boards:)

The PS3 owner who buys occassional disc is what's keeping Blu Ray's 2:1 lead where it is IMO so even what your saying is the case it's good news for the HD camp.:thumbs2:

[noseeb13]

Don't know if I have gotten my sums right here but what your saying is:

A $200 machine at 2 million units = $400 million

Now valued at $99 at 2 million units = $198 million

A loss of $202 million and Wal-Mart are going to foot the bill. I think not. This shows massive desperation on behalf of Toshiba. They have no faith in their machines selling at a cost which will enable them make a profit.
You are thinking about this the wrong way.
Right now lets say they sell 1,000 players per store region (multiple stores in an area) at $200, that is $200,000. Now they lower the price to $99, but you say thats crazy but they expect to sell more units at the reduced price, so instead of 1,000 per region they expect to sell 5,000, that is $495,000.
On top of that you are going to need movies, the more players they sell the more movies they are going to sell.
Last time I checked Wal Mart is the leading retailer for DVD, but it was announced a few weeks ago that Best Buy is the leading retailer for HD/Blu Ray, you don't think that this is also another way for Wal Mart to catch up on Best Buy?

We already know that Blu Ray sells 2:1 but it has been reported numerous times that HD DVD has a high attachment rate. You get more of the players out you expect more discs to be sold, which is where retailers are going to make all their money.

[noseeb13]

I'm not saying its a piece of junk. But its not as good as a Pioneer Elite:) And to suggest it is, would be quite frankly be "madness".
So by that thinking the PS3 is now a piece of junk because it has dropped to half its price?
You have to remember too this is a SALE, after the Holidays these things will return to their non-crappy price point of $200 and be better players again. :thumbs2:

[MiamiLoco]

Someone posted this on another board and I wanted to post it here:

The BDA is doing the sound thing right now. Bank on it.

Firesales like this do stress out those who are so dedicated to a format; however, they are _firesales_ for a reason.

It is unfortunate that HDDVD has to resort to this type of tactic to try and gain customers. It's also unfortunate that only HDDVD can do this type of strategy because they are only one company making them... Toshiba. Toshiba is also the majority patent holder in HDDVD so they stand to make the _billions upon billions_ of dollars if HDDVD becomes a standard from licensing for everything from movies to hardware. That is how they plan to re-coup the money. It is exactly why they are willing to _completely destroy_ the hardware market for HDDVD to accomplish it.

Toshiba hasn't been considered a top CE manufacturer on the consumer end for a very long time (they do well on the OEM back end though). Their brand isn't going to make them big money in the hardware CE market. They know this. That is why they are attempting to set it up so they can make money the way they know how to best... the back end. In this case, it is licensing and royalties from patents on the technology. This includes _all_ software for HDDVD also.

In this scenario it seems Toshiba has taken the approach a loss-leader on their hardware made popular by Microsoft when it released the Xbox. Microsoft is _not_ a hardware company... They are a software company and that is where they want to make their money. Toshiba is now looking at it in a similar light. They are not a front end CE company nearly as much as they are a company that patents the technology that other CE manufacturers use. In this case they own it all with small software patents for Microsoft is all.

This is not the case with the BDA and it's members. There is a lot of shared patents and licensing. People like to relate Blu-ray to Sony, but, frankly, it's not Sony's baby. It is an entire community's baby. That community includes almost every top CE manufacturer in the world and several top software developers. Blu-ray is _not_ a Sony product. It is just supported by Sony who happens to own some of the probably thousands of patents involved in it. This is why the BDA can not use the same loss leader marketing that HDDVD can. It has nothing to do with cost to manufacture and I'm sure Kjack can better break down the costs between HDDVD and Blu-ray in that regard. It has more to do with multiple patents and licensing and creating a _long term and sustainable_ hardware market.

This move by Toshiba has completely destroyed the hardware market for HDDVD. It no longer exists... Period. There is no point for any quality CE manufacturer to spend any time developing hardware for HDDVD now and there is no hope for Toshiba to ever make any money from the hardware side of the format. They discounted themselves right out of the hardware market and established that their players are only worth $98... Not even $198.

That is the beauty of this new retail experience. By allowing a few retailers to briefly sell players for $98 they have completely destroyed the perceived value of their product. Ask yourself this... If you had just seen ads all over TV, print, radio, whatever for a $98 HDDVD player at a few retailers, what is the probability that you would be willing to spend $198 any where else at any other time for that _exact same player_? I would guess there is no chance in hell. That player is only worth $98 now and Toshiba just shot their cheap players at other retailers in the foot.

The BDA's best approach right now is to _stay the course_ and launch an incredibly large and all encompassing marketing campaign that showcases the _significant differences_ of Blu-ray vs. HDDVD and why it is worth a little bit more. By keeping with this focus and, as a result, offering a wider range of CE manufacturer produced products and applications not only for home movie viewing but for PC use, automobile use, boat use, personal recorder use, gaming use, and much much more they are able to re-enforce consumer confidence in the Blu-ray brand and demonstrate it's remarkable and expansive possibilities. Nearly none of which are shared by HDDVD.

HDDVD has _nothing_ right now outside of HDM movies. That's it. Blu-ray; however, has an astounding list of great uses and possibilities. That makes it worth more.

The BDA needs to spend the marketing dollars to educate the consumer to this fact and be sure they understand just how much more they get when they go Blu-ray. I suspect this will be the plan when the campaign begins (which it sounds like it may shortly based on the Disney party).

There is no way that one company, Toshiba, can go it alone and have even a snowballs chance in hell to beat every other (and most often more respectable) CE manufacturer. It simply can't happen.

Edit: I wanted to add a note about how this 'sale' has been _proven_ to be an act of 'dumping' now based on the states it is not available in (for example, Utah, where I live, this deal can not be found because it violates state laws prohibiting 'dumping'). 'Dumping' is illegal in some places because it is largely considered bad for the consumer because they often receive outdated products that could not sell on their own merit at retail and essentially 'waste' money on them because they are blinded by a pricepoint. Hence, why it is illegal in some places... Consumers can't be expected to be knowledgeable in _everything_ so they may not know they are a victim here.

[noseeb13]

Interesting look, especially the parts about the other companies that own Blu Ray. I think that fact is often lost (I'm guilty of it).

[Spatial.Archite]

Me too. But having 200 or 300 Hi-Def in a nicely designed hard-box would be cool too.

Yeah, but the concept of Hi-Def movie downloads is a giant misconception, and I seriously doubt it'll ever catch on. A Hi-Def download streams the media at 1.3 mbps, a standard DVD movie stream the media at 8 mbps. So a standard DVD is streaming more audio and video information than a downloaded Hi-Def movie.

Standard DVDs hold 8 GB of information while most Hi-Def downloads are in the 1.5 - 3 GB in size. So you could fit a much better quality Hi-Def movie on a standard DVD than you get from downloading a Hi-Def movie.

So I seriously doubt it's ever going to catch on with audiophiles or videophiles, and the mass market buyers (where the real money's at) like having a physical backup and don't want to deal with the potential of a virus wiping out their movie collection.

[snappahead]

Interesting look, especially the parts about the other companies that own Blu Ray. I think that fact is often lost (I'm guilty of it).

Me too. If that's true..than it would change my opinion of this format war considerably. To me up until now...it's been BD = Sony. This article makes it sound like HD DVD = Toshiba. Neither fact (if true) was known to me. Interesting indeed.

[Bullseye]

Glad to see the mist is starting to clear. Pansonic has more patents on BD than Sony, WB has patents on BD so I am amazed that people have been continuously throwing the Sony hate on BD since the begining. IMO its just hate of Sony which has blinded them to the facts.

[Johnneeukca]

Hmm, interesting article indeed. I too thought the Sony Juggernaut was the "main" supporter of BluRay. However, I was aware that the technology was ownned by a bunch of organisations (I even think Ricoh has something to do with it).

But my understanding is that Phillips AND Toshiba are the owners of HD DVD, not Toshiba alone.

Sony's name has always been connected with BluRay and, if they're not the main flag bearer where did this idea come from?

[Bullseye]

Philips are producing BD players and not HD-DVD players.

[Bullseye]

Hmm, interesting article indeed. I too thought the Sony Juggernaut was the "main" supporter of BluRay. However, I was aware that the technology was ownned by a bunch of organisations (I even think Ricoh has something to do with it).

But my understanding is that Phillips AND Toshiba are the owners of HD DVD, not Toshiba alone.

Sony's name has always been connected with BluRay and, if they're not the main flag bearer where did this idea come from?

HD-DVD fanboys like the General lol:happybirt :buttrock: General you know i love you.

[Johnneeukca]

HD DVD Patent holders:

Initial participating companies include LG Electronics Inc.; Microsoft Corporation; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; NEC Corporation; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; SANYO Electric Co., Ltd.; Sonic Solutions; Thomson Licensing (Thomson own Phillips); Toshiba Corporation; Victor Company of Japan, Ltd.(JVC); and Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Inc.

Blu-ray Disc patent owners, consisting of 17 companies. Participating companies included CyberLink Corporation; Dell Inc.; Hewlett-Packard Company; Hitachi Ltd.; Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V.; LG Electronics Inc.; Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic); Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Pioneer Corporation; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Victor Company of Japan, Ltd.; and Warner Home Video Inc.

Looks like Tosh isn't gonna take ovver the world after all.

[Bullseye]

Thanks for the list. Now maybe people will get off the hate waggon. Also add MPEG LA to the BD list.

[Johnneeukca]

Thanks for the list. Now maybe people will get off the hate waggon. Also add MPEG LA to the BD list.

Interesting thing about the list is how many companies have fingers in both pies.

[Bullseye]

It sure is but the majority holder of HD-DVD is Toshiba. They are the only ones making HD-DVD hardware for both players and computers. LGs combo player is essentially a BD player that will play HD-DVDs but cannot access the extras. I think they maybe making a version which can read them but with Profile 1 and 2 coming very soon to BD i don't see the point.

[Johnneeukca]

I thought Profille1 waws the older standard? (1.1 is coming out now). Besides, I'm not sure what difference, specifically, Profile 2 would make. HDDVD already has secondary audio/video and internet connectivity, which is what Profile 2 would bring to the table for Blu_ray. Unless you're referring to the storgage capacity? And, to be honest, storage capacity is nothing unless you're actually going to use it.

[snappahead]

Cool..thanks for the list, John. Is there a majority holder of BD? Seeing this large list doesn't help me at all in choosing a side, but it's interesting to know.

[Johnneeukca]

Cool..thanks for the list, John. Is there a majority holder of BD? Seeing this large list doesn't help me at all in choosing a side, but it's interesting to know.

I don't have anything specific but either way I've sent you a PM that might help.

[The Batman Professor]

My plan is to buy both and enjoy till a winner truly shakes out. I just got the Toshiba at WalMart this am, and plan to get the new Panasonic Blu-Ray before Christmas.

But here's something interesting from WWW.HIDEF.COM:

Word is getting around that WB let their Blu-Ray license expire last night. The cost is a mere 40k so I doubt money was the issue. As many of you know by know, WB will make a decision this quarter as to which to jump, HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. To be frank, the comments from Dan Silverberg at WB can be taken either way but were also taken out of context by a Blu-Ray loving reporter. So beyond the interpretation of recent WB comments, let's look at the real reasons WB would choose HD-DVD over Blu-Ray.

1. WB has consistently put more support behind HD-DVD than Blu-Ray. Batman Begins and V for Vendetta are perfect examples of titles released on HD-DVD months before Blu-Ray. The Matrix is still ONLY available on HD-DVD because the Blu-Ray player profiles did not have mandatory support the advanced features of PiP and True HD. These features are mandatory on ALL HD-DVD stand-alone players.

2. Cost of Manufacturing - Blu-Ray yields are bad. Apparently 2 or 3 of 10 are good. The cost per disk is also high. Blu-Ray is over 5.00 per disk vs 1.00 to 1.50 for HD-DVD.

3. Cost of implementing interactive features such as PiP (overlay for commentary or tech specs/GPS like Miami Vice or Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift) and Web Interactivity is much cheaper. To program these features for Blu-Ray one must use a programmer who MUST write near a hundred lines or more of code. To implement HDi which is similar to HTML, one does not need to be a programmer which means less cost per disk.

4. Incompatibilities - Many early adopters of Blu-Ray will have issues with playback in the future due to Blu-Ray hardware being very different from manufacture to manufacture because the specs were not mandatory till TODAY. New players that are released after today will probably be ok but old players could see unexpected problems. Beware..

5. HD-DVD Player Price - We all know that player prices are dropping like crazy. Tomorrow the A2 can be had for 98.00 and you can buy the A2 from Amazon, Best Buy, Circuit City and Walmart (starting Saturday) for under 200.00. LOW PRICES is ALWAYS the beginning of mass adoption and with most consumers not taking full advantage of their HDTV's, these cheap players are the perfect opportunity to acquire the latest and greatest for cheap.

6. WB has already said that Home Players sales are the sales that REALLY matter and that PS3 title sales cannot be predicted because you do not know how many PS3 owners will buy movies. When someone purchases an Toshiba HD-DVD or 360 HD-DVD Player you know those consumers WILL buy movies or they would NOT have made the purchase at all. The PS3 is a game machine first then Blu-Ray Player second. For Blu-Ray to make a huge dent with PS3 consumers would need to purchase more than one (PS3) or you will have people fighting over watching movies or playing games (in many households, not all). Nielson and other stat trackers do not count the PS3 as part of the Home Player sales.

Now, everyone is locked on the 2 to 1 software lead Blu-Ray has over HD-DVD. This means nothing when the format is FAR more expensive to produce content for and with the PS3 the Blu-Ray camps has like a 10+ to 1 hardware lead when it comes to players. With such a large hardware lead their lead should be much more but it is NOT as the PS3 is not really producing the numbers these studios expected. In fact, if it were not for the PS3, Blu-Ray would be dead ALREADY!

Considering all of these factors and reasons for WB to side with HD-DVD I would be VERY shocked if WB choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. I could be totally wrong but then again, logic generally prevails.

[The Batman Professor]

So I seriously doubt it's ever going to catch on with audiophiles or videophiles, and the mass market buyers (where the real money's at) like having a physical backup and don't want to deal with the potential of a virus wiping out their movie collection.

People like owning AN OBJECT, especially us collectors. I would rather have a shiny disc in a nice package sitting on my shelf, than have a download. I think hi-def downloads will only catch on with pirates.

[noseeb13]

Glad to see the mist is starting to clear. Pansonic has more patents on BD than Sony, WB has patents on BD so I am amazed that people have been continuously throwing the Sony hate on BD since the begining. IMO its just hate of Sony which has blinded them to the facts.

I think that the other companies need to slap Sony in the face and start putting their faces forward a little more.
Sony got a lot of bad press for the PS3, and is the reason I, personally, chose to not support Blu Ray as much as HD DVD. But I smack on Sony and still buy exclusive movies and games :redface:

[noseeb13]

From HDDVD.org
Speculation started when Warner Bros.' VP of HD Media, Dan Silverberg, hinted that the studio was evaluating its stand on being HD neutral in the format war. It led many to believe that the studio would choose sides.

However, WB spokesman Jim Noogan talked with Video Business Online yesterday and confirmed that they would stay neutral.

He said that the company always evaluated its business models and also did this with HD support, and that he believed the fourth quarter would be important for both sides. The result will be another piece of information on where things are going, but for now the studio will support both HD DVD and Blu-ray.

[snappahead]

It looks like not many studios will have the stones to pick a side just yet. I can understand that. You don't wanna commit to the wrong team. Ironically, because they're reluctant to choose, they insure that the war goes on and on.

[DSET]

WB has consistently put more support behind HD-DVD than Blu-Ray. Batman Begins and V for Vendetta are perfect examples of titles released on HD-DVD months before Blu-Ray. The Matrix is still ONLY available on HD-DVD because the Blu-Ray player profiles did not have mandatory support the advanced features of PiP and True HD. These features are mandatory on ALL HD-DVD stand-alone players.

Why is this, does anyone know?
i dont get how they havenet released BB\Vendetta\Matriux on BD as yet and just a couple days ago they stated that they are happy with Blu, 300 on BD is the lead selling title blah blah.. rumor they mite go BD exclusive bla bla blah...
I dont get it:banghead: :confused:

Just do one or the other for FReak Sakes
:banghead: :banghead:

[Bullseye]

WB signed a contract to release a number of titles and delay the release on BD until BD-J was in place. Some of those tiltles have begun making their way onto BD. Expect to see The Matrix and Batman in 2008 with BD-J.

BTW New Line (who are owned by Time Warner) are doing a similar thing on their releases. They are giving BD a few months before HD-DVD as HD-DVD does not give the studios region coding which some desire.

[risingstar]

My plan is to buy both and enjoy till a winner truly shakes out. I just got the Toshiba at WalMart this am, and plan to get the new Panasonic Blu-Ray before Christmas.

But here's something interesting from WWW.HIDEF.COM:

Considering all of these factors and reasons for WB to side with HD-DVD I would be VERY shocked if WB choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. I could be totally wrong but then again, logic generally prevails.



Wow... That's as hard a hit as Blu-Ray have ever had to take... Ouch.

The point goes to HD on this latest round. Maybe two points.

[The General]

In fact, if it were not for the PS3, Blu-Ray would be dead ALREADY!



You know I agree.:thumbs2: This war have been over already if it wasn't for the PS3.

[Bullseye]

LOL

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/gifs/4u2apgwur4.gif

[bat_collector]

sheesh, I feel so bad for my roommate who spent a lot ofm oney on the blu ray player probably because the best buy guys takled him into one

maybe I shoulod buy that hd-dvd drive add on, but micrsoft would need to lower their price first

[Bullseye]

sheesh, I feel so bad for my roommate who spent a lot ofm oney on the blu ray player probably because the best buy guys takled him into one

maybe I shoulod buy that hd-dvd drive add on, but micrsoft would need to lower their price first

Why do you feel bad for your friend. He's picked the winning format:thumbs2: Expect some big incentives for BD between now and the holidays.

[Closetnerd]

This deal has "300" and "Bourne Supremacy" inside the box. You also get to chose 2 movies right there (limit $35 each) PLUS you get the 5 free movies via rebate!! The 2 free right away offer is only good through tomorrow!

Wondering if I need to jump on this one before they run out???
What's the real difference between the A2 and the A3?? Or is there any??

[Trilogy]

LOL

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/userfriendly420/gifs/4u2apgwur4.gif

lol :laugh:

[ashley76]

Well it says something when Wal-mart picks a side. The side they pick usually wins... has anyone seen the wal-mart commercials that promotes HD-DVD as the family friendly format? Blus days are offcially numbered... If you are taking information from Blu-ray.com you need to take it with a grain of salt. Those guys ban people from their forums for even uttering the words HD-DVD...

[Bullseye]

Well it says something when Wal-mart picks a side. The side they pick usually wins... has anyone seen the wal-mart commercials that promotes HD-DVD as the family friendly format? Blus days are offcially numbered... If you are taking information from Blu-ray.com you need to take it with a grain of salt. Those guys ban people from their forums for even uttering the words HD-DVD...

thats not true. they ban trolls and HD-DVD fanboys. There is a difference. If you think BDs days are over your mistaken also.

HD fanboys said K-Mart was going exclusive but they issued a statement today that they are neutral. And also Wal-mart is also neutral and have not gone HD-DVD exclusive.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Kmart/Kmart:_Were_Purple/1137


http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=486963

[snappahead]

lol :laugh:

LOL

[Trilogy]

Kmart statement (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Kmart/Kmart:_Were_Purple/1137)

[snappahead]

thats not true. they ban trolls and HD-DVD fanboys. There is a difference. If you think BDs days are over your mistaken also.

HD fanboys said K-Mart was going exclusive but they issued a statement today that they are neutral. And also Wal-mart is also neutral and have not gone HD-DVD exclusive.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=486963

They ban fanboys? That's pretty lame. If this forum did that, imagine how boring these boards would be.

[Jesse321]

Well it says something when Wal-mart picks a side. The side they pick usually wins...
Tell that to Rubber-Maid and Snapper .. you might be surprised at the response you get.

[Bullseye]

They ban fanboys? That's pretty lame. If this forum did that, imagine how boring these boards would be.

How in gods name is it lame. Its a Blu Ray forum. Why would you promote or put up with trolls. You have AVS and highfidigest.com for that. Give me a break.

[Bullseye]

They ban fanboys? That's pretty lame. If this forum did that, imagine how boring these boards would be.

Also did you note that Toshiba is continuously lying to the media and the public about this and that going exclusive. If this was Sony you would be condemning it.

[snappahead]

Also did you note that Toshiba is continuously lying to the media and the public about this and that going exclusive. If this was Sony you would be condemning it.

Wha? What does that have to do with anything? I don't even know what you're talking about.

How in gods name is it lame. Its a Blu Ray forum. Why would you promote or put up with trolls. You have AVS and highfidigest.com for that. Give me a break.

So what? It's a bd forum, so you can't be an HD dvd fan on there? Is it a public forum? If so, anyone should be allowed to participate.

[Bullseye]

There are HD-DVD fans and neutrals. The people who get banned are banned rightfully.

On the point above Toshiba claimed that K-mart was going HD-DVD exclusive. K-mart then released a statment that they were neutral. Hence Toshiba lied.

[snappahead]

There are HD-DVD fans and neutrals. The people who get banned are banned rightfully.

On the point above Toshiba claimed that K-mart was going HD-DVD exclusive. K-mart then released a statment that they were neutral. Hence Toshiba lied.

So...people don't get banned for simply being an HD dvd supporter, but how they conduct themselves yes? That's ok then.

Again though..why'd you quote me to say Toshiba was a bunch of liars? I didn't say anything about them. It's a good thing Sony's never lied. I might have to call them on it:)

[The Batman Professor]

There are HD-DVD fans and neutrals.

Now that I got the Toshiba for cheap, I can buy the new Panasonic Blu-Ray for Christmas, and enjoy Batman, Spider-Man, Blade Runner, King Kong and truly savor HD neutrality without guilt. Once the format war is finally over, I may have to re-buy a couple of titles, but we've all been there before.

PLANET OF THE APES is still the title I've upgraded the most:

Beta (you can start laughing now,) VHS, Laserdisc (3 times,) DVD (3 times!) Total so far - 8 buys for ONE title. The studios love a schmuck like me - of course I'll buy it when it streets on Blu-Ray too!

[bat_collector]

batman professor, you cra k me up

I love planet of the apes

[The Batman Professor]

batman professor, you cra k me up

I love planet of the apes

I crack myself up until I realize how much dough I've blown on the "8-tracks" of video over the years. Hell, I spent $700.00 to get the entire run of KOLCHAK THE NIGHT STALKER on import Laserdiscs about 10 years ago! The DVD set costs $30.00, and it looks and sounds better...:banghead:

[ashley76]

More Xbox 360 HD-DVD drives sold than all Blu Ray stand alone players combined...

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/whos-go...you-318176.php

Wow interesting stuff...

[AsOneDead]

I hate this stupid HD, Blu Ray war. It ruins it for all the consumers :thumbsdow

[Trilogy]

This section is becoming obsessed with the "HD War". lol

[ashley76]

I like the friendly debates!

[Trilogy]

Just got around to reading the article. Very interesting.

[BOSCO]

This section is becoming obsessed with the "HD War". lol

Agreed lol,i think one of the mods should designate a sticky thread for the HD-DVD v BD argument instead of every other thread getting infected in this section:D

[Trilogy]

Agreed lol,i think one of the mods should designate a sticky thread for the HD-DVD v BD argument instead of every other thread getting infected in this section:D

Would seem like a good idea but no doubt it will still spill out into other threads.

[Johnneeukca]

Yeah, make it a sticky. I love this discussion! :thumbs2:

[MiamiLoco]

So what? It's a bd forum, so you can't be an HD dvd fan on there? Is it a public forum? If so, anyone should be allowed to participate.
So wait, u are trying to tell me that I can post "BOWEN DESIGN SUCKS!!!" threads all over the Bowen Design Forum section of this board?! I can do that and NOT get banned from here? SWEET!!!

[Trilogy]

So wait, u are trying to tell me that I can post "BOWEN DESIGN SUCKS!!!" threads all over the Bowen Design Forum section of this board?! I can do that and NOT get banned from here? SWEET!!!

Give it a try and see what happens. lol

[MiamiLoco]

Give it a try and see what happens. lol
Well according to snappahead, I will NOT get banned cause it's a public forum ;)

[CocoPUFF]

More Xbox 360 HD-DVD drives sold than all Blu Ray stand alone players combined...

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/whos-go...you-318176.php

Wow interesting stuff...

very interesting, but I don't think either format will go away at least for a while for the time being. Who knows, they may end up coexisting peacefully together!:)

[snappahead]

Well according to snappahead, I will NOT get banned cause it's a public forum ;)

I said that? Really? I'll have to check my post. Don't rewrite my posts for me, thank you. Never did a I say it was ok to say stupid crap like that. Not once..never. I said you shouldn't be banned for liking something. Plain and simple. If you want to challenge my comments, at least get them right.