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HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 03:51 PM
Thought it would be good to discuss XTi stuff with everyone on it's own thread. I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. I ordered from Ritz Camera. It comes with the EF-S 18-55mm II lens. My 1st question is....what size UV filter should I buy? I'm thinking 55mm. Is that right?

P1X4R
11-29-2007, 03:55 PM
you'll want a 58mm filter like this one.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/13078-REG/Canon_2605A004_58mm_Haze_UV_1_Glass.html

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 03:55 PM
Update! Ritz is telling me it takes a 58mm filter. That sound correct?

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 03:56 PM
you'll want a 58mm filter like this one.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/13078-REG/Canon_2605A004_58mm_Haze_UV_1_Glass.html

You're fast! :)

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 03:57 PM
Is there a general rule of thumb for filter size?

P1X4R
11-29-2007, 03:58 PM
i generally haven't "invested" much money on UV filters. you can spend a lot on them but i buy them mainly for lens protection.

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 04:02 PM
i generally haven't "invested" much money on UV filters. you can spend a lot on them but i buy them mainly for lens protection.

That's what everything I've read says as well. I'm just curious about the size difference. 58mm filter for a 55mm lens. Always 3mm higher?

SquiderM3
11-29-2007, 04:11 PM
UV filters?!? This is getting way too complicated.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I actually got a few with the camera package but haven't even gotten to them yet.

P1X4R
11-29-2007, 04:16 PM
what's complicated about protecting your lens? :)

P1X4R
11-29-2007, 04:18 PM
That's what everything I've read says as well. I'm just curious about the size difference. 58mm filter for a 55mm lens. Always 3mm higher?

no, i don't think that's how it works. i have a two 50mm lenses. one accepts a 58mm filter and the other 72mm.

SquiderM3
11-29-2007, 04:18 PM
Is that what they're for?:confused2

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 04:21 PM
UV filters?!? This is getting way too complicated.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I actually got a few with the camera package but haven't even gotten to them yet.

Did a UV filter come with it? Maybe I don't have to buy one!

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 04:23 PM
Is that what they're for?:confused2

Dude...SERIOUSLY...put a UV filter on your lens at all times for protection alone! If one didn't come with the camera, go buy one---now! They're about $15.

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 04:30 PM
Heads up all new XTi owners, if you aren't very schooled in SLR digital cameras, you should definitely pick up a book. It's worth it. I've learned a lot in a few days!

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 04:33 PM
Another suggestion...when we post pics, we should list what lens we are using. I'd especially like model #s & if they're macro or not.

HoldyourfireAl
11-29-2007, 05:42 PM
P1X4R - You said...

"get the EF-S 60 f/2.8 USM macro lens. it's a nice, sharp lens.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EF-S-Mac...6189123&sr=8-1"

Now I'm a little confused. Macros are for taking super close pics of small things, right? Would you use a macro lens to take a full length pic of a Bowen statue? For example, the Nick Fury pic I took the other day. Would that have been better served with a macro lens?

Poisonous
11-29-2007, 06:12 PM
Heads up all new XTi owners, if you aren't very schooled in SLR digital cameras, you should definitely pick up a book. It's worth it. I've learned a lot in a few days!

Yup, very true. Just picked up a book myself and will be sure to read it before getting the rebel later next month.

geto10
11-29-2007, 06:21 PM
Heads up all new XTi owners, if you aren't very schooled in SLR digital cameras, you should definitely pick up a book. It's worth it. I've learned a lot in a few days!

Downloaded it in a pdf format. But after two pages I start to gasp! :stick:

Poisonous
11-29-2007, 06:33 PM
Downloaded it in a pdf format. But after two pages I start to gasp! :stick:

You mean yawn? lol

Not much for manuals on tech stuff myself as i like to learn by trial and error, but this is very interesting and necessary imo.

P1X4R
11-29-2007, 06:36 PM
out of all the lenses i have.. i picked the 60mm as the best all around lens to use. it's not just for taking close up macro shots. you can definitely take pics of ppl, scenes, etc with it.

example pics here

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=243042

as for whether it would have best served if taken with it in your Nick Fury statue pics then i would say no because honestly it's the photographer that takes the pics and the lens is just the tool. learn the characteristics, learn the techniques.. then you'll learn to take good pics with ANY lens you use. as you advance you'll take on new specifics as to how you can improve shots with whatever is available to you. besides, you'll appreciate it more.


P1X4R - You said...

"get the EF-S 60 f/2.8 USM macro lens. it's a nice, sharp lens.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EF-S-Mac...6189123&sr=8-1"

Now I'm a little confused. Macros are for taking super close pics of small things, right? Would you use a macro lens to take a full length pic of a Bowen statue? For example, the Nick Fury pic I took the other day. Would that have been better served with a macro lens?

P1X4R
11-29-2007, 06:42 PM
learning about the different kinds of lenses is fun. believe me when i tell you that i've obsessed over them! now that i've pretty much gotten it out of my system i am ready to just use them. how do you take good pics? by taking a lot of pics! practice, practice! like someone said in another thread (SM3?).. this is digital. no need to develop like it is on film!

HoldyourfireAl
11-30-2007, 12:57 AM
learning about the different kinds of lenses is fun. believe me when i tell you that i've obsessed over them! now that i've pretty much gotten it out of my system i am ready to just use them. how do you take good pics? by taking a lot of pics! practice, practice! like someone said in another thread (SM3?).. this is digital. no need to develop like it is on film!

Learning about different lenses is EXPENSIVE! :laugh:

SavItOut
11-30-2007, 01:49 AM
Downloaded it in a pdf format. But after two pages I start to gasp! :stick:

Where can I download the pdf format from?

P1X4R
11-30-2007, 03:11 AM
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&tabact=SupportDetailTabAct&fcategoryid=226&modelid=14256#DownloadDetailAct

SavItOut
11-30-2007, 03:21 AM
Right, thanks P1X

HoldyourfireAl
11-30-2007, 04:07 AM
I'm so excited to get this camera!

geto10
11-30-2007, 12:45 PM
You mean yawn? lol

Not much for manuals on tech stuff myself as i like to learn by trial and error, but this is very interesting and necessary imo.

Nope, I was gasping!

Yeah, I like to try things out my self and discover new possibilities. :)

P1X4R
11-30-2007, 11:02 PM
if you guys haven't already checked out this forum you should. great info and knowledgeable peeps!

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/index.php

boondocksaint
11-30-2007, 11:20 PM
im probably going to get this as a xmas gift! bwuhuhahahahahaha!

i cant wait!

dannybe
11-30-2007, 11:31 PM
Learning about different lenses is EXPENSIVE! :laugh:


you can say that again!!
that link that pixar provided is the best for canon users.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/index.php

P1X4R
12-01-2007, 12:58 AM
i just got a PM asking about cleaning dust from a camera's sensor. i'll add it to this thread because i think it's good info.


it's actually not that hard to clean. i've done it myself without any problems. first, i would try using air blasters. the one i use which doesn't cost much ($8) are called Giottos Rocket Air Blaster. do not ever use compressed air. very bad! you could accidentally blow chemicals into your sensor.

if that still doesn't work then you can try a solution and swab kit. something like this..

https://www.micro-tools.com/store/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=DIGI-KIT2D-F

check out these youtube videos. it's quite easy.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sensor+cleaning&search=Search

P1X4R
12-01-2007, 01:03 AM
btw, you won't really notice sensor "particles" in your shots unless they're really big and blotchy or you have an f-stop that's usually higher than 5.0 or above. your mileage will vary.

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 03:18 AM
Just got my XTi Rebel! I'm not proud of the pics so far. We'll see what tomorrow may bring...

P1X4R
12-01-2007, 03:23 AM
it takes practice. set it to AV (Aperture Priority) mode. set it to 2.8 or lower. bump up the ISO to 400 or 800 to start with. btw, did you get a tripod?

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 04:26 AM
it takes practice. set it to AV (Aperture Priority) mode. set it to 2.8 or lower. bump up the ISO to 400 or 800 to start with. btw, did you get a tripod?

Yep!

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 06:18 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/9aa31b0e.jpg

1st attempts. I so suck right now! I need to relearn all these photography basics!

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 06:18 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/9ae92b30.jpg

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 06:20 PM
it takes practice. set it to AV (Aperture Priority) mode. set it to 2.8 or lower. bump up the ISO to 400 or 800 to start with. btw, did you get a tripod?

Am I stupid or am I correct that I can only lower to 3.5 with this lens?

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 08:01 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/1489bc69.jpg

I think this one brings out the blue better.

P1X4R
12-01-2007, 08:05 PM
very nice Al! :thumbs2:

P1X4R
12-01-2007, 08:07 PM
Am I stupid or am I correct that I can only lower to 3.5 with this lens?

yeah, depending on the lens. that is probably the lowest it can go.

Blue Liquid
12-01-2007, 09:24 PM
HoldyourfireAl, when you take pics of your collection without the flash, try setting the white-balance to Tungsten instead of auto. If you're shooting JPEG's you'll get more accurate colors in the scene. Most of that yellow color cast will go away and the white wall will look more 'white', and the rest of the colors in t he scene will look truer. Give it a try both ways and notice the difference, it's amazing!

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 09:42 PM
HoldyourfireAl, when you take pics of your collection without the flash, try setting the white-balance to Tungsten instead of auto. If you're shooting JPEG's you'll get more accurate colors in the scene. Most of that yellow color cast will go away and the white wall will look more 'white', and the rest of the colors in t he scene will look truer. Give it a try both ways and notice the difference, it's amazing!

I did, but I kinda like the "warmth" of the "yellow."

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 09:56 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/1f10e341.jpg

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 09:56 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/9e89cae2.jpg

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 09:57 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/70b513cb.jpg

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 09:58 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/c0b658b0.jpg

Well that's it for tonight. I have so much to learn! F-stops, depth of field, exposure, lighting, exposure, etc...!

HoldyourfireAl
12-01-2007, 10:00 PM
One thing I can't figure out on the XTi is where I can change the f-stop when I'm in manual mode! I can change shutter speed & ISO, but haven't been able to change f-stop!

P1X4R
12-01-2007, 11:48 PM
i keep my camera in AV mode at all times. the "wheel" on top next to the button is where you adjust the f/stops.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/08242006c.jpg

SavItOut
12-02-2007, 12:11 AM
What does the f-stop do?

P1X4R
12-02-2007, 03:24 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_stop

basically, it's the opening (aperture) of the lens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture

it controls the depth of field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field

HoldyourfireAl
12-02-2007, 03:43 AM
i keep my camera in AV mode at all times. the "wheel" on top next to the button is where you adjust the f/stops.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/08242006c.jpg

How do you control shutter speed in AV mode?

HoldyourfireAl
12-02-2007, 04:13 AM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/70b513cb.jpg


Now with white balancing...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/29880f53.jpg

SquiderM3
12-02-2007, 05:38 AM
How do you control shutter speed in AV mode?

I don't believe you can. Shutter speed can only be controlled in Tv or M settings. Av is just for aperture adjustments.

geto10
12-02-2007, 08:10 AM
i keep my camera in AV mode at all times. the "wheel" on top next to the button is where you adjust the f/stops.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/08242006c.jpg

I keep mine on auto all the time :laugh: cause I'm dumb at this and pretty lazy. :)

I do use AV when I'm making shots in the dark, I have at least 14 in aperture or higher. :)

punisher-art
12-02-2007, 01:08 PM
One thing I can't figure out on the XTi is where I can change the f-stop when I'm in manual mode! I can change shutter speed & ISO, but haven't been able to change f-stop!

In manual mode the wheel on top changes shutter speed.

Below and to the right of the viewfinder is a button marked Av+/-. Hold this with your thumb while you adjust the wheel, and that is how you adjust aperture in manual mode.

HoldyourfireAl
12-02-2007, 02:04 PM
In manual mode the wheel on top changes shutter speed. There are two buttons on the back of the camera at the top right - you can see the markings on the top of the camera. One is an asterisk and the other looks like a plus sign made up of squares.

The asterisk button is the AV adjust button - when in manual mode hold that down with your thumb while you adjust the wheel and that is how you change the aperture setting.

Thanks! :thumbs2:

HoldyourfireAl
12-02-2007, 03:54 PM
:bawling: I'm having a big problem grasping depth of field.

Blue Liquid
12-02-2007, 04:44 PM
Think of the depth of field as everything that is in focus from the lens to some object in the distance. With a narrow depth of field, only a very short distance will be in focus (think of apertures from (f1.2-f4.0, depending on the lens). Landscape photographers typically shoot with a large depth of field, so everything from the grass in the foreground to the mountains in the distance are in focus. They're usually using very small apertures of f18-f22 or smaller.

HoldyourfireAl
12-02-2007, 06:14 PM
Think of the depth of field as everything that is in focus from the lens to some object in the distance. With a narrow depth of field, only a very short distance will be in focus (think of apertures from (f1.2-f4.0, depending on the lens). Landscape photographers typically shoot with a large depth of field, so everything from the grass in the foreground to the mountains in the distance are in focus. They're usually using very small apertures of f18-f22 or smaller.

I get that part. It's figuring out how to "play" with it on the Rebel XTi. Most of my shots have been at an f4 or a little above. I'm not seeing much difference in DoF.

Blue Liquid
12-02-2007, 08:02 PM
This first image of the bust was taken at f16. Notice how the entire thing, front to back, is in focus.

http://home.comcast.net/~cgdito/73976563.UBdnnhZ9.jpg

This next image of the CM Alien was taken at f2.8. Only a very thin slice of the image is in focus.

http://home.comcast.net/~cgdito/73961606.qQlFi8H8.jpg

The difference between f4 and f5.6 or so will be negligible. The difference between f4 and f16 will be far more noticeable. If you set the dial to 'AV' (Aperture Value) you will be able to set the aperture and the camera will take care of the shutter speed to ensure a properly exposed image. Keep in mind, small apertures, e.g. f8 or smaller, will result in far slower shutter speeds, especially indoors, so you may need to mount the camera on a tripod to minimize camera shake. Also, you can decrease the depth of field by moving closer to your subject. The farther away from your subject, the more the depth of field will increase. To test, focus as closely to the subject as possible at f4. You'll see the image begin to go blurry behind and in front of your focus point. Then take another shot at f4 but move 10 feet away. The entire subject might then be in the 'focus zone'.

HoldyourfireAl
12-02-2007, 08:26 PM
Maybe I'm just not seeing it because the statue is the only figure in the picture?

HoldyourfireAl
12-02-2007, 08:49 PM
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/0f527c2d.jpg

Can see better with 2 statues!

cma3
12-02-2007, 09:46 PM
http://www.cma3.com/imgz/statues/xti011.jpg
http://www.cma3.com/imgz/statues/xti014.jpg
http://www.cma3.com/imgz/statues/xti020.jpg
http://www.cma3.com/imgz/statues/xti022.jpg

Blue Liquid
12-02-2007, 09:56 PM
Awesome posts, I'm also a big fan of this type of photography and also typically shoot in AV mode. I got more pics of my collection here: http://www.pbase.com/linguafoeda_acheronsis/root

Poisonous
12-03-2007, 12:39 AM
The only real limitation is, as already beforementioned, the person behind the cam. Especially with a cam like the Rebel XTi. I mean, i used my cell phone cam for quite a while producing some pretty good shots and upon finally telling people what cam i used when they inquired, no one believed me. But obviously there's a reason why i am upgrading and that is the true and undeniable limitations in the technology of a cell-phone cam compared to, oh let's say a Rebel XTi lol, which many features i feel i need to have to be able to move on in the hobby of photography as i have been feeling the limitations of my p&s lately, really having tapped it's full potential and before that my cell-phone cam's.

My point is that all that tehnology the XTi holds can only take you so far and will never reach its full potential in your hands if you do not explore, experiment and really enjoy the actual learning process.

A decent lens won't hurt either lol :) Take your time and enjoy the process as getting there is half the fun.

Can't wait to tap the XTi of all it's got. Have already bought 2 books and will be reading up on the XTi long before i actually get it in hand.

Hope any of that made sense as it's 5:30am here and i'm officially classified as dead by now. But hey, who needs sleep when there's work, right??

boondocksaint
12-03-2007, 12:44 AM
ok its comfirmed im getting this for xmas...

im gonna bother you guys when i get it for tips! lol

HoldyourfireAl
12-03-2007, 01:15 AM
You guys are gonna be sooooo happy! This camera is life changing!

Kirk Durfey
12-03-2007, 01:37 AM
Now with white balancing...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u163/JasonZ2/Statues/29880f53.jpg

That looks much better - Nice shots, Al!

SavItOut
12-03-2007, 02:47 AM
ok its comfirmed im getting this for xmas...

im gonna bother you guys when i get it for tips! lol

Get it! :thumbs2: I never even had a camera :p ,but then I saw a few pics taken with it here at the board so I went ahead and pulled the trigger. I love it.

geto10
12-03-2007, 03:09 AM
This first image of the bust was taken at f16. Notice how the entire thing, front to back, is in focus.

http://home.comcast.net/~cgdito/73976563.UBdnnhZ9.jpg

This next image of the CM Alien was taken at f2.8. Only a very thin slice of the image is in focus.

http://home.comcast.net/~cgdito/73961606.qQlFi8H8.jpg

The difference between f4 and f5.6 or so will be negligible. The difference between f4 and f16 will be far more noticeable. If you set the dial to 'AV' (Aperture Value) you will be able to set the aperture and the camera will take care of the shutter speed to ensure a properly exposed image. Keep in mind, small apertures, e.g. f8 or smaller, will result in far slower shutter speeds, especially indoors, so you may need to mount the camera on a tripod to minimize camera shake. Also, you can decrease the depth of field by moving closer to your subject. The farther away from your subject, the more the depth of field will increase. To test, focus as closely to the subject as possible at f4. You'll see the image begin to go blurry behind and in front of your focus point. Then take another shot at f4 but move 10 feet away. The entire subject might then be in the 'focus zone'.

:buttrock:

SavItOut
12-03-2007, 03:16 AM
here is a few more to make it more exciting! No tripod
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/QuiuboLoco/jangobust2.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc223/QuiuboLoco/jangobust1.jpg

Trilogy
12-03-2007, 03:45 AM
Great shots Sav. :thumbs2:

dannybe
12-03-2007, 05:03 AM
great shots guys!! keep shooting!!

geto10
12-03-2007, 12:41 PM
Lovely shots! :D

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 12:59 PM
great shots guys!! keep shooting!!

agreed! great pics everyone!

Poisonous
12-03-2007, 02:50 PM
Don't forget to post what lenses you used for the posted pics.

Blue Liquid
12-03-2007, 03:02 PM
Don't forget to post what lenses you used for the posted pics.

Good point! Those two pics I posted were taken with the EF-S 60mm f2.8 macro lens mounted on a 20D. For those on the fence about this lens, you won't be disappointed, it may be my sharpest lens.

SavItOut
12-03-2007, 03:20 PM
I'm just using the 18-55mm stock lens that came with the package.

HoldyourfireAl
12-03-2007, 03:39 PM
I'm just using the 18-55mm stock lens that came with the package.

Me too! Definitely not as sharp as the other guys, but not bad!

Poisonous
12-03-2007, 04:06 PM
SIO has managed to produce some really nice results with the stock lens imo. Good job.

geto10
12-03-2007, 04:36 PM
Me too! Definitely not as sharp as the other guys, but not bad!

It's decent enough, but like Ed said a tripod is a must. :buttrock:

SavItOut
12-03-2007, 05:11 PM
Thanks guys! I know a better lens would be far better but I just want to drain the juice out of the stock lens and see what it offers! Definitely need a tripod especially for dark photos.

Foord
12-03-2007, 06:11 PM
What's a good lens for taking action shots of the kids playing indoor basketball or zooming in when they're playing outside. I'm not a perv, just want to document my boys' activities better :-) We got the Rebel Xt last Christmas and need to upgrade the lens. Sorry it's a non statue piccie taking question but I'm baffled by all the data out there.
Cheers,
Dom

HoldyourfireAl
12-03-2007, 07:11 PM
It's decent enough, but like Ed said a tripod is a must. :buttrock:

All my pics so far have been with a tripod & a remote cord. Do you think they look shaky?

SavItOut
12-03-2007, 07:18 PM
All my pics so far have been with a tripod & a remote cord. Do you think they look shaky?

Not at all Al, they look great! :thumbs2:

Blue Liquid
12-03-2007, 07:29 PM
I've got to get a remote shutter release. I am forced to use the 10 sec timer to get my shots. sucks.

Kujo
12-03-2007, 08:34 PM
What are the advantages/disadvantages of having fixed focul lengths. I've been tempted by the 60mm as it fits right between the two lenses i have (standard 18-55mm and 70-300mm) and so will fill that gap, but wondered whether i should be going for a zoom lens again.

Any tips/advice etc?

Kujo
12-03-2007, 08:36 PM
Also, I have just purchased a remote cord, and when i set it to "timer/remote cord" in the camera settings, and have Mirror Lockup turned on, i have to double press the release - once to raise the mirror and again to open the shutter. Have I set it up wrong?

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 08:41 PM
I've got to get a remote shutter release. I am forced to use the 10 sec timer to get my shots. sucks.

it's only 2 seconds used with Mirror Lockup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_lockup

Kujo
12-03-2007, 08:43 PM
ooo, and lastly.... When i am against a neutral background i.e. the projector screen I've started using (thanks for the tip Ed :buttrock:) I have tended to go for a higher f numbers (between f20-f32) but from what I've been reading, you guys use lower numbers. Does this lead to big differences in quality?

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 08:58 PM
kujo, just remember that high numbers like f20-f32 will bring into focus more everything around the subject's field (foreground and background). it will also be essential to keep the camera absolutely still. now with lower f stops like 2.8-4.0 the subject area will have areas of less focus. it tends to isolate or blur the subject from the background. also, it's easier to handhold your camera at these "fast" apertures.

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 09:00 PM
Also, I have just purchased a remote cord, and when i set it to "timer/remote cord" in the camera settings, and have Mirror Lockup turned on, i have to double press the release - once to raise the mirror and again to open the shutter. Have I set it up wrong?

that shouldn't happen. you should only have to press the button on the remote switch once to initiate the process. do you have 1) C.fn (Custom Function 7-1) set to Enable and 2) Timer set to on?

Blue Liquid
12-03-2007, 09:00 PM
it's only 2 seconds used with Mirror Lockup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_lockup

Thanks P1X4R, I have Mirror Lock-up enabled but didn't think to use it with the 10 sec timer function. I'll give it a try!

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 09:05 PM
What are the advantages/disadvantages of having fixed focul lengths. I've been tempted by the 60mm as it fits right between the two lenses i have (standard 18-55mm and 70-300mm) and so will fill that gap, but wondered whether i should be going for a zoom lens again.

Any tips/advice etc?

zoom lenses afford you the ease of framing your shot without having to move your feet. :)

prime lenses on the other hand (from what i've read) tend to be faster/sharper.

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 09:20 PM
check out these two images i took recently with a 200mm prime lens.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0829.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0868.jpg

Apocalypse was taken in very low indoor lighting last night vs She Hulk taken in a cloudy setting outside my backyard this morning. i always set my camera to AV (aperture priority) mode so that i have aperture control and let the camera calculate the "right" shutter speed to use. i'll also play with the exposure bias depending on how much light there is.

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 09:26 PM
you have to play with the f/stops so that you get the proper focus for your subject. if you notice above, She Hulk's left hand extends forward. if i had used an f/stop of say 2.0 or lower than i could have easily blurred her hand which we wouldn't want. for this i used an aperture of 8.0 to bring all of her into focus in this frame. it was enough to also blur the background since the statue was positioned far enough from the wall behind her.

HoldyourfireAl
12-03-2007, 09:36 PM
check out these two images i took recently with a 200mm prime lens.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0829.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0868.jpg

Apocalypse was taken in very low indoor lighting last night vs She Hulk taken in a cloudy setting outside my backyard this morning. i always set my camera to AV (aperture priority) mode so that i have aperture control and let the camera calculate the "right" shutter speed to use. i'll also play with the exposure bias depending on how much light there is.


"exposure bias"....what's that?

HoldyourfireAl
12-03-2007, 09:37 PM
Are your pics so much sharper then some of ours because of the lens?

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 09:39 PM
Are your pics so much sharper then some of ours because of the lens?

not necessarily. technique goes a long way. the stock lens that i've seen here have produced some really great shots!

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 09:40 PM
btw, i also set my focus point to one (usually center). i hate it when the camera tries to focus on something i don't want it to. it's best to keep the focus on one point. the button next to the asterisk which looks like a cross controls this.

boondocksaint
12-03-2007, 09:40 PM
Get it! :thumbs2: I never even had a camera :p ,but then I saw a few pics taken with it here at the board so I went ahead and pulled the trigger. I love it.

ok,,remember you said this when im bugging you with a ton of questions! lol

P1X4R
12-03-2007, 09:55 PM
"exposure bias"....what's that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_bias

look at the button that reads "AV =/-"

hit that button while moving the "wheel" on top next to the shutter button left or right. you will see the indicator bar move.

-2..-1..0..1..2

i usually use a value between -1 and Zero.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/canon-eos-400D-back.jpg

P1X4R
12-04-2007, 12:45 AM
covering the basics on taking sharp pictures.

http://www.beyondmegapixels.com/2007/11/tips-to-getting-tack-sharp-photos.html

P1X4R
12-04-2007, 01:04 AM
you'd probably want a lens with a long focal length like 200mm or higher with image stabilization.

What's a good lens for taking action shots of the kids playing indoor basketball or zooming in when they're playing outside. I'm not a perv, just want to document my boys' activities better :-) We got the Rebel Xt last Christmas and need to upgrade the lens. Sorry it's a non statue piccie taking question but I'm baffled by all the data out there.
Cheers,
Dom

MK Ultra
12-04-2007, 01:08 AM
I shot some pictures of my Tony Montana life size bust today. I wanted to get Tony there with the beach in the background it was pretty bright but VERY nice lighting on the bust very realistic. XTI with the EFS 18-55MM zoom lens, I guess it was WAY to much sunlight, the beach looks cool in the background but Tony's face looks really dark so I kept pushing the exposure compensation button to the right till it reached it's limit of +2 it did light the face pretty good, but the ocean in the background looks blown out WAY over exposed.

P1X4R
12-04-2007, 01:13 AM
i think a polarizing filter may have helped that situation. did you use a hood with your camera?

MK Ultra
12-04-2007, 01:19 AM
Thanks for tip P1, I don't have these items yet.

cap70
12-04-2007, 01:49 AM
I shot some pictures of my Tony Montana life size bust today. I wanted to get Tony there with the beach in the background it was pretty bright but VERY nice lighting on the bust very realistic. XTI with the EFS 18-55MM zoom lens, I guess it was WAY to much sunlight, the beach looks cool in the background but Tony's face looks really dark so I kept pushing the exposure compensation button to the right till it reached it's limit of +2 it did light the face pretty good, but the ocean in the background looks blown out WAY over exposed.

MK:

What you need is to use FILL IN flash, or light towards the bust. This situation is called "backlit" subject. A polarizer, or a hood won't help in this situation. Hood cuts side flare, polarizer cuts reflection. In your case, what's happening is that you have a bright subject in the back, and a "less" bright subject in the front. You won't be able to make the subject well lit, and the background in the right exposure, UNLESS you use a fill in flash or some light in the bust. What you are experiencing, is very normal, and something that pro photographers are well aware, so in these situations, a fill flash is used to iluminate the main subject, while maintaining the bright background without beeing overexposed. Otherwise, your camera will pick your "less bright" subject, and make it brighter to obtain the right exposure, and that will make the background WAY overexposed, as you are experiencing yourself. You need to make the brightness of the subject AND the background "comparable". Try iluminating the bust with a light spot, then try again. Or open another window, and let the light shine directly in the bust. If you can use fill in flash, that's great too, principally if you have a hot shoe(external) flash.
Take a look at this picture:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1264/948961568_479268fc99.jpg

In this case, the women in the front had to be "iluminated", otherwise she would look darker in the picture. Or if the photographer took a metering from her face to get the right exposure on her face, the background would end up WAY overexposed. A fill flash/light is used here to get the proper exposure of the subject AND background, so the light get's "balanced" on both. Hope it helps, tried to explain as easy as possible without too many complicated words, lol. Good luck! :thumbs2:

P1X4R
12-04-2007, 03:05 AM
thanks for the correction cap! :thumbs2:

now, you're responsible for making the man spend more money on a flash unit! lol

P1X4R
12-04-2007, 03:09 AM
check this out. i was playing around with getting a nice, dark background. i closed the lights in one room where it leads to another room. i placed my statue right where the light begins and made the darkened room the background. it's not perfect but it made for a nice, deep dark background.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0892.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0893.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0897.jpg

HoldyourfireAl
12-04-2007, 03:35 AM
check this out. i was playing around with getting a nice, dark background. i closed the lights in one room where it leads to another room. i placed my statue right where the light begins and made the darkened room the background. it's not perfect but it made for a nice, deep dark background.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0892.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0893.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_0897.jpg

Great idea! Very Fenix-like :thumbs2:

Poisonous
12-04-2007, 12:37 PM
check this out. i was playing around with getting a nice, dark background. i closed the lights in one room where it leads to another room. i placed my statue right where the light begins and made the darkened room the background. it's not perfect but it made for a nice, deep dark background.




That's exactly what i do when i shoot with a dark background as it works really well like with the Frankie bust shots for example. All you need (in my case) is a smaller, concentrated lightsource and you're good to go creating some really nice effects experimenting with the direction of the lighting.

Nice shots Ed :)

Foord
12-04-2007, 05:57 PM
you'd probably want a lens with a long focal length like 200mm or higher with image stabilization.

Thank You!!

MK Ultra
12-04-2007, 09:14 PM
MK:

What you need is to use FILL IN flash, or light towards the bust. This situation is called "backlit" subject. A polarizer, or a hood won't help in this situation. Hood cuts side flare, polarizer cuts reflection. In your case, what's happening is that you have a bright subject in the back, and a "less" bright subject in the front. You won't be able to make the subject well lit, and the background in the right exposure, UNLESS you use a fill in flash or some light in the bust. What you are experiencing, is very normal, and something that pro photographers are well aware, so in these situations, a fill flash is used to iluminate the main subject, while maintaining the bright background without beeing overexposed. Otherwise, your camera will pick your "less bright" subject, and make it brighter to obtain the right exposure, and that will make the background WAY overexposed, as you are experiencing yourself. You need to make the brightness of the subject AND the background "comparable". Try iluminating the bust with a light spot, then try again. Or open another window, and let the light shine directly in the bust. If you can use fill in flash, that's great too, principally if you have a hot shoe(external) flash.
Take a look at this picture:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1264/948961568_479268fc99.jpg

In this case, the women in the front had to be "iluminated", otherwise she would look darker in the picture. Or if the photographer took a metering from her face to get the right exposure on her face, the background would end up WAY overexposed. A fill flash/light is used here to get the proper exposure of the subject AND background, so the light get's "balanced" on both. Hope it helps, tried to explain as easy as possible without too many complicated words, lol. Good luck! :thumbs2:Thanks very much for the info. Cap, much appreciated. I don't have any lighting for photography now, I used the flash but it was too strong didn't look right, but I'll try using some lamps to light the piece subtle from the front, or try moving around see if I can get better lighting. Thanks for the sample pic. this is exactly the situation I had, I see what you mean. If it doesn't work I may look into a flash unit.

cap70
12-04-2007, 09:51 PM
Thanks very much for the info. Cap, much appreciated. I don't have any lighting for photography now, I used the flash but it was too strong didn't look right, but I'll try using some lamps to light the piece subtle from the front, or try moving around see if I can get better lighting. Thanks for the sample pic. this is exactly the situation I had, I see what you mean. If it doesn't work I may look into a flash unit.

No problem bro, glad I could help you understand :)

cap70
12-04-2007, 09:53 PM
thanks for the correction cap! :thumbs2:

now, you're responsible for making the man spend more money on a flash unit! lol

LOL, you are the one to blame here.
People will start buying into "L" glass and that will be your fault! ;) lol

MK Ultra
12-05-2007, 05:16 AM
LOL! P1, please don't buy any more stuff! You already cost me an XTI and a couple of macro lenses.:banghead: :laugh: :)

dannybe
12-05-2007, 08:47 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/shoechoices/statue/bowen/juggernaut/front.jpg

cblakey1
12-05-2007, 09:15 AM
DAMN! The pics in this thread are outstanding!

Trilogy
12-05-2007, 09:41 AM
Great photos everyone.

Kujo
12-05-2007, 10:17 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/shoechoices/statue/bowen/juggernaut/front.jpg

VERY nice pic. Love the lighting. :buttrock:

HoldyourfireAl
12-06-2007, 03:11 PM
:happybirt Happy Birthday P1X4R!!!!!

P1X4R
12-06-2007, 04:13 PM
thanks Al!

not exactly a birthday present but i got a couple of bottles of wine today.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_1059.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_1060.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_1061.jpg
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/IMG_1062.jpg

P1X4R
12-06-2007, 04:21 PM
btw, the above pics were taken with a Canon 100mm f/2.8 macro lens. :thumbs2:

MK Ultra
12-06-2007, 08:31 PM
Have a good one P1X!

geto10
12-07-2007, 03:28 AM
Whooah! That is pretty awesome! :D

HoldyourfireAl
12-07-2007, 03:30 AM
What did you get for your B-Day?!?!?!?

P1X4R
12-07-2007, 10:27 AM
a new camera! :thumbs2:

Kujo
12-07-2007, 10:34 AM
Which one?

P1X4R
12-07-2007, 10:40 AM
Canon 5D. it's selling for a $1K less than it used to about a year ago! i think a new model must be coming out soon to replace it.

Kujo
12-07-2007, 10:41 AM
Wow, so 3 top end camera's now!! The camera won over the lens then?

Blue Liquid
12-07-2007, 11:34 AM
The 5D is awesome. Here you can get the Xti (with kit lens) for $599 with a free 7" digital picture frame and 1GB CF card. Sign up for the newsletter for another $30 off, which takes the price to the $599.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16830120070

P1X4R
12-07-2007, 12:22 PM
yeah, prices are dropping! i'll delay that lens till next year. not too many gaters in california anyway. besides, i'm no cap70 risking my precious life taking beautiful pics while potentially becoming food for wild animals! :laugh:

cma3
12-07-2007, 03:24 PM
The 5D is awesome. Here you can get the Xti (with kit lens) for $599 with a free 7" digital picture frame and 1GB CF card. Sign up for the newsletter for another $30 off, which takes the price to the $599.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16830120070

Weigh your options carefully on this. I am a huge fan of newegg and recommended highly for all your computer needs, so this is anything against newegg. This package is good but keep in mind that this is the older kit lens. The new one...not officially issued as a package yet has IS built in and costs on average U$175.

IMO the way to go when purchasing an XTI (or even an XT) is to simply buy the body and go all out on the lens. Avg price on a NEW 400D body is U$550.

In this case you'd get the 400D and the new kit lens for 725 and nothing else. Sure theres a huge price difference but what you are getting is a lens that, based on published reports, is worlds apart.

cma3
12-07-2007, 03:27 PM
Canon 5D. it's selling for a $1K less than it used to about a year ago! i think a new model must be coming out soon to replace it.

Congratz on the pickup. The 5D is badass. I almost pulled the trigger but decided to work my way up the ladder skill wise before taking the plunge. I'll give myself a year or so and see. Next up for me is superior glass before the body switch.

I cant wait to see your captures.

geto10
12-09-2007, 09:18 AM
Just ordered this:

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8897/lens640x480kd0.jpg

P1X4R
12-09-2007, 08:21 PM
cool Yury! i can't wait to see what kind of shots you'll get from it.

Poisonous
12-09-2007, 08:59 PM
cool Yury! i can't wait to see what kind of shots you'll get from it.

Yeah, be sure to post lots of pics. You should definitely pick up a XT/XTi book and learn the basics of the cams features as well Yury.

HoldyourfireAl
12-09-2007, 11:59 PM
My brother says that I should get camera insurance. Anyone have it? He said he got his at Walmart (i think he tells me that to aggravate me as I will NEVER step foot in a Walmart or give them a single penny of my money.) and that Ritz offers it as well.

SavItOut
12-10-2007, 12:23 AM
(i think he tells me that to aggravate me as I will NEVER step foot in a Walmart or give them a single penny of my money.)

:eek: Not even if they have a 99% off sale in electronics?

HoldyourfireAl
12-10-2007, 12:26 AM
:eek: Not even if they have a 99% off sale in electronics?


Nope!

SavItOut
12-10-2007, 12:27 AM
Nope!

Why not?

geto10
12-10-2007, 05:32 AM
Yeah, be sure to post lots of pics. You should definitely pick up a XT/XTi book and learn the basics of the cams features as well Yury.

I have read two books actually and played around with my camera before buying this lens. Looking forward to it! :thumbs2:

statman
12-10-2007, 12:00 PM
Wolf Camera has the XTi with an 18-55mm EF-S zoom and a 75-300mm EF-S zoom on sale for $799.99 right now.

http://www.wolfcamera.com/product/SLR1175.htm

geto10
12-10-2007, 01:38 PM
Wolf Camera has the XTi with an 18-55mm EF-S zoom and a 75-300mm EF-S zoom on sale for $799.99 right now.

http://www.wolfcamera.com/product/SLR1175.htm

To bad that zoom doesn't have IS. I decided to invest in the Image Stabilizer. I hope it's as good as people have said it is. :thumbs2:

P1X4R
12-11-2007, 12:08 PM
nope, i don't use camera insurance. [knocks on wood]

P1X4R
12-11-2007, 12:10 PM
To bad that zoom doesn't have IS. I decided to invest in the Image Stabilizer. I hope it's as good as people have said it is. :thumbs2:

IS will definitely help your shots when you hand hold your camera. i hear if you mount it on a tripod you'll want to disable IS.

Poisonous
12-18-2007, 11:04 PM
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/GentleMidget/2-P.jpg

Canon XTi, 18-55 kit lens.

HoldyourfireAl
12-18-2007, 11:17 PM
I've been so busy at work, I've had no time for my camera :(

P1X4R
12-19-2007, 12:04 AM
i know. me too. :(

btw, great pic Rich!

geto10
12-19-2007, 05:24 AM
Congrats on the purchase Richard, it's about time! :D


Got my Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM a few days ago. It's so big :( I had to buy a new camera bag so this would fit.

Spatial.Archite
12-19-2007, 06:54 AM
Tuv and I both got the XTi recently (same day actually), so this thread's been a great read. I slightly hesitated as the last thing I need is another expensive hobby, but I'm taking my time with buying additional lenses and I've wanted an XTi for quite a while. So far I just have the stock lens; I figure I'll play around with it and work on adjusting settings... sort of get my feet wet.

So, in regards to lenses, what's a good all-around lens? I'll probably pick up a lens or two around tax time, so I'm just curious about what would be a good couple lenses to start out with. I'll purchase more lenses down the road, so I'm just looking for a good all-around lens and another lens that'll come in handy.

Poisonous
12-19-2007, 07:11 AM
btw, great pic Rich!

Thanks Ed.

cma3
12-19-2007, 11:56 AM
Tuv and I both got the XTi recently (same day actually), so this thread's been a great read. I slightly hesitated as the last thing I need is another expensive hobby, but I'm taking my time with buying additional lenses and I've wanted an XTi for quite a while. So far I just have the stock lens; I figure I'll play around with it and work on adjusting settings... sort of get my feet wet.

So, in regards to lenses, what's a good all-around lens? I'll probably pick up a lens or two around tax time, so I'm just curious about what would be a good couple lenses to start out with. I'll purchase more lenses down the road, so I'm just looking for a good all-around lens and another lens that'll come in handy.

Canon 50mm 1.8
Sigma 17-70mm 2.8-4.5

Hard to compete with these two both in price point and IQ.


+
I'll also add the new version of kit lens with IS @ approx $175.00. Either way, I'd go with the first two I mentioned earlier in place of this one even though the others do not have IS. But thats just me.

+

And if you are looking to go all out, then there's this baby right here: Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L. But youl'll break 1k on this one.

P1X4R
12-19-2007, 01:55 PM
the 50mm f/1.8 has my vote too for great all around lens. i don't have it but have seen some great pics from it.

Weedo10
12-19-2007, 02:11 PM
Canon 50mm 1.8
Sigma 17-70mm 2.8-4.5

Hard to compete with these two both in price point and IQ.


+
I'll also add the new version of kit lens with IS @ approx $175.00. Either way, I'd go with the first two I mentioned earlier in place of this one even though the others do not have IS. But thats just me.

+

And if you are looking to go all out, then there's this baby right here: Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L. But youl'll break 1k on this one.

Any links on where to buy these?

geto10
12-19-2007, 02:32 PM
the 50mm f/1.8 has my vote too for great all around lens. i don't have it but have seen some great pics from it.

My brother bought it not long ago. I gave a go and it's a very nice lens. :thumbs2:

cma3
12-19-2007, 02:42 PM
Any links on where to buy these?

I swear by adorama and bh.

http://www.adorama.com

and

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/

theres no reason to shop anywhere else.

cma3
12-19-2007, 02:48 PM
more specifically:

the nifty 50:
http://www.adorama.com/CA5018AF.html

the sig 17-70:
http://www.adorama.com/SG1770EOS.html

the new kit:
http://www.adorama.com/CA1855AFU.html

the 24-105 L:
http://www.adorama.com/CA24105AFU.html

P1X4R
12-19-2007, 03:14 PM
bhphotovideo, newegg, and amazon are some great online retailers.

Poisonous
12-19-2007, 03:29 PM
Just shot this one:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/GentleMidget/Nos1-P.jpg


Loving this cam and have much much...much more to learn.

P1X4R
12-19-2007, 03:32 PM
damn, that's nice! that bust will play well with shadows!

Poisonous
12-19-2007, 03:33 PM
damn, that's nice! that bust will play well with shadows!

I do love those shadows :thumbs2:

Weedo10
12-19-2007, 03:49 PM
more specifically:

the nifty 50:
http://www.adorama.com/CA5018AF.html

the sig 17-70:
http://www.adorama.com/SG1770EOS.html

the new kit:
http://www.adorama.com/CA1855AFU.html

the 24-105 L:
http://www.adorama.com/CA24105AFU.html

Thank u:thumbs2:

cma3
12-19-2007, 04:23 PM
Thank u:thumbs2:

no problem, anytime.

geto10
12-19-2007, 04:29 PM
It's a very good camera indeed! :D

Blue Liquid
12-19-2007, 04:31 PM
it's only 2 seconds used with Mirror Lockup.

Sure enough, this is working beautifully. Thanks again for this handy tip, P1X4R, this has dramatically reduced the amount of time I spend waiting around while photographing my statues. :buttrock:

P1X4R
12-19-2007, 05:29 PM
glad to hear that BL. :thumbs2:

Spatial.Archite
12-20-2007, 11:11 AM
Canon 50mm 1.8
Sigma 17-70mm 2.8-4.5

Hard to compete with these two both in price point and IQ.


+
I'll also add the new version of kit lens with IS @ approx $175.00. Either way, I'd go with the first two I mentioned earlier in place of this one even though the others do not have IS. But thats just me.

+

And if you are looking to go all out, then there's this baby right here: Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L. But youl'll break 1k on this one.

Much obliged, I'll probably buy the 50mm 1.8 shortly as the price isn't in the ballpark of what I was expecting. The EF 24 - 105mm f/4L would be a good one to consider around tax time.

So again, thank you. Another question though, what's a good variety of lenses to have? I'm sure that depends on what you're photographing, but that should be a wide variety for me. Statues, family, landscapes, etc...

cma3
12-20-2007, 11:35 AM
Much obliged, I'll probably buy the 50mm 1.8 shortly as the price isn't in the ballpark of what I was expecting. The EF 24 - 105mm f/4L would be a good one to consider around tax time.

So again, thank you. Another question though, what's a good variety of lenses to have? I'm sure that depends on what you're photographing, but that should be a wide variety for me. Statues, family, landscapes, etc...

No problem.

And yes, you answered your own question in regards on how one decides which lens/es to own: "it depends on what you shoot". But also depends on skill level. Buying a 1k lens will not make you Ansel Adams.

Depending on the skill of the photographer, anything is possible with just about any lens. I've seen breathtaking macro photography with the kit lens, for instance.

But the way I see it, you want to cover your focal lengths. This may not work for everyone, there are many photographers that will only use primes (ie: 10, 14, 15, 50mm), others like shooting with only their telephotos.

IMO, however, and what I will eventually do is...cover all the lengths up until 200...possibly 300mm.

In my case it would look something like this:

- a 10-20mm lens
- a 17-70mm
- a 70-200mm

with some primes thrown in:
the must haves (for me):

- a 14 or a 15mm (the 1.4 fisheyes)
- the 50 1.4 (i currently have the 1.8)
- the sig 105mm (one of the best, affordable, macros)
- and possibly a 300mm

So if you take a look at the first set (non-primes) its basically 10mm to 200mm using 3 lenses.

And dont forget the external flash. Currently I am using a Speedlite 430ex. This will eventually turn into a 530 and an MR14-EX ring light (for macro).

But again, this works for me.

IMO however, I think that for starters one should get real good at shooting using the 50 and the 17-70 while using the 430ex (for darks and night-time, for example) and thats it. No need to upgrade or spend 1k on the 24-105 L, even though this is the must have lens for me...you dont see it anywhere on my list. Good glass will come with time, skill and necessity.

Hope this helps.

P1X4R
12-20-2007, 02:01 PM
you can't go wrong with the "nifty" 50. here's a great shot taken by tfitz@photography-on-the.net/forum.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=229437&stc=1&d=1198166432

Upitnik
12-20-2007, 04:05 PM
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P1X4R
12-21-2007, 12:14 AM
Depending on the skill of the photographer, anything is possible with just about any lens. I've seen breathtaking macro photography with the kit lens, for instance.


very true. i mentioned before how i was able to apply my learned techniques to my old 3.3MP P&S camera with suprisingly good results.


- the sig 105mm (one of the best, affordable, macros)
- and possibly a 300mm


the sigma 105mm is a nice, sharp lens. check out these sample pics.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=229362

i'm looking at the Canon 180mm for macro photography.

i have the focal lengths from 10mm (crop sensor) / 14mm (full frame) to 200mm covered. i'm looking at a 300mm and 400mm prime to complete the package but these would have to be specialized lenses since they're only used in rare cases. it'll be fun playing with them though.

Poisonous
12-21-2007, 11:06 AM
Need advice on a good cam bag for the XTi, 2-3 small-medium sized lenses, as well as CF's and other small items.

Great shot Up.

cma3
12-21-2007, 11:22 AM
Need advice on a good cam bag for the XTi, 2-3 small-medium sized lenses, as well as CF's and other small items.

Great shot Up.

I use a SlingShot 300AW. It will easily fit what you have going on. But its on the big side, depth-wise. This is not a compact bag even if the form factor is. That being said, I love my bag...I can hike, bike, run, and even switch cameras without ever taking it off.

It comes in 3 sizes...the 300 is the largest one.

Here take a look at it:

Closed: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/468610-REG/Lowepro_35017_SlingShot_300_AW_Bag.html

Open [this is the 100AW] : http://www.adorama.com/LPSS100AW.html?searchinfo=slingshot&item_no=1

P1X4R
12-21-2007, 11:37 AM
i use this one that i bought from Amazon. works well for me.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Backpack-200EG-Cameras-Greenish/dp/B00009R6TA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1198251408&sr=8-1

P1X4R
12-21-2007, 12:15 PM
maybe it's my technique but i honestly suck at handheld shots. i was playing around with my Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L lens with IS turned on with the ISO setting between 400-1600 and my shots were quite blurry. this was indoors with very low lighting and aperture set wide open on that lens at f/4. it's a great lens on a tripod though. i took these pics in this thread with it last night.

http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=50773&page=2

i think it's a better walkaround lens during the day.

cma3
12-21-2007, 12:27 PM
maybe it's my technique but i honestly suck at handheld shots. i was playing around with my Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L lens with IS turned on with the ISO setting between 400-1600 and my shots were quite blurry. this was indoors with very low lighting and aperture set wide open on that lens at f/4. it's a great lens on a tripod though. i took these pics in this thread with it last night.

http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=50773&page=2

i think it's a better walkaround lens during the day.

The Tie Fighter helmet?

Well if so, to my eye, they for the most part look tack sharp. But, that being said, I think I know what the issue is. I pulled two of your pictures randomly and I see that one has a 10 sec exp and the other 8 secs. Whats up with that? A draft into that room while on a tripod can blur your image. If the numbers are correct here...lower your exp time into the millisecs and you should be good to go.

After that, what you want to look at it posture/hand/arm position and breath control. If you dont have this, you wont get your shot.

cma3
12-21-2007, 12:43 PM
I just re-read your post. Disregard my last post, until the very end (about posture).

I will leave it up for posterity.


Analyze your posture. Thats all I think about now...borderline OCD.

P1X4R
12-21-2007, 12:43 PM
oh, i definitely would not set the aperture to anything above f/4 handheld. when it's on a tripod i use MLU (mirror lockup), long exposure, and timer via remote cable release to get the best possible picture.

btw, i emailed a friend who has the same lens and he responded back with the same experience that i had shooting indoors under low lighting so i guess this lens is more of an outdoor or better performer with adequate lighting.

Upitnik
12-21-2007, 01:29 PM
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Poisonous
12-22-2007, 08:10 AM
cma3, Ed and Up - thanks for your advice. I ended up getting the Lowepro Off Road bag.

I'll see you guys around next year - hope you gents have an awesome Xmas with your families and loved ones. Going to be a great Xmas this year for sure.

I'll leave you with a couple more shots...

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/GentleMidget/NosSSE-P.jpg

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1162/nosnew3pjk4.jpg

Gotta love that Vamp profile lol

I only have the 18-55 kit lens so far so that's what i'm usin'.

Later.

geto10
12-22-2007, 08:39 AM
Spooky! :)

P1X4R
12-22-2007, 07:47 PM
great shots Rich! you almost had me fooled with that first pic! SSE already?!? :laugh:

HoldyourfireAl
12-23-2007, 10:17 PM
I'm still confused about the whole Macro lens thing! It seems that most photogs use them to take pics of very small things, but some of you use them for statues & the pics seem VERY sharp. Can you explain a little & go over again some of the better Macros for the XTi under $1500?

Thanks

Al

P1X4R
12-24-2007, 04:22 AM
macro lenses produce some of the sharpest pics. they're definitely not just for macro photography. the big difference between say a 60mm and a 100mm is focal length. the 100 allows you to be further away from that bumblebee than the 60 to get that 1:1 perspective.

here's a few the popular ones

Canon EF-S 60 f/2.8 (~$359 )
Canon EF 100 f/2.8 Macro (~$470 )
Canon EF 180 f/3.5L Macro (~$1239 )
Sigma 105 f/2.8 Macro (~$364 )
Sigma 150 f/2.8 Macro (~$560 )

geto10
12-24-2007, 11:06 AM
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/2576/customname006800x600ma2.jpg

P1X4R
12-24-2007, 11:16 AM
Sweden is beginning to remind me of Transylvania. how about something with more color Yury? :)

j/k. great pic bro! very spooky. where are the zombies?

geto10
12-24-2007, 11:27 AM
Sweden is beginning to remind me of Transylvania. how about something with more color Yury? :)

j/k. great pic bro! very spooky. where are the zombies?

Hehe, well it's winter and everything is so dark, grey and boring. Colorful pics will be around summer!

Thx for the comment. :thumbs2:

geto10
12-24-2007, 11:30 AM
Was out shooting today. Due to the strong wind I went back home after 30 minutes! :laugh:

Self portrait!

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7950/outimg1185800x600up5.jpg

My cam!

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4932/outimg1194800x600cn1.jpg

P1X4R
12-24-2007, 11:38 AM
very cool Yury! nice self portrait!

btw, be careful when moving your camera from cold to warmer temperatures due to condensation. you may want to seal your camera in a plastic bag.

geto10
12-24-2007, 01:40 PM
very cool Yury! nice self portrait!

btw, be careful when moving your camera from cold to warmer temperatures due to condensation. you may want to seal your camera in a plastic bag.

I have it in a Lowepro bag. Should I still put it in a plastic bag and then put it in the Lowepro?

JasonTD
12-25-2007, 01:16 AM
I'm now a proud owner of an XTI as well :D I'm pretty clueless about most of its functionality but have been able to learn a lot just from reading this thread. I'm going to be looking into an additional lens sometime in the not-distant future, and I've picked up a filter and a remote shutter release for now. Here's a first attempt with the cam:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2389/2134105993_1452f2435f_b.jpg

P1X4R
12-25-2007, 01:29 AM
I have it in a Lowepro bag. Should I still put it in a plastic bag and then put it in the Lowepro?

yup, in a ziplock plastic bag.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=410518&highlight=condensation

P1X4R
12-25-2007, 01:30 AM
congrats JasonTD! you'll love the extra controls!

boondocksaint
12-25-2007, 01:34 AM
just took this baby out of the box!
cant wait to use it!

MK Ultra
12-25-2007, 01:35 AM
Cool pictures Geto, nice self portrait, grats. on the new lenses.:thumbs2:

geto10
12-25-2007, 06:39 AM
yup, in a ziplock plastic bag.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=410518&highlight=condensation

Alright, thx for the advise Ed! :thumbs2:

geto10
12-25-2007, 06:40 AM
Cool pictures Geto, nice self portrait, grats. on the new lenses.:thumbs2:

Thx MK! :thumbs2:

boondocksaint
12-25-2007, 01:48 PM
how do you guys add your names to the pics like poisonous did?
is there a program that does that?
and i guess my camera came with the standard 55 mm lense? what would you guys suggest i get for taking pictures of kits and statues?

geto10
12-25-2007, 03:49 PM
how do you guys add your names to the pics like poisonous did?
is there a program that does that?
and i guess my camera came with the standard 55 mm lense? what would you guys suggest i get for taking pictures of kits and statues?

No idea (would like to know too), but I'm 99% sure that it's photoshop.

geto10
12-26-2007, 01:21 PM
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6549/customname0361024x768zi1.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2354/customname0371024x768ds3.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6468/customname0161024x768vg9.jpg

P1X4R
12-26-2007, 01:55 PM
nice closeups Yury! tack sharp! :thumbs2:

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 08:58 PM
i got a 55mm uv filter but it doesnt seem to fit...ughh

pablocruze
12-26-2007, 09:01 PM
Self portrait!

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7950/outimg1185800x600up5.jpg



Hmmm...you don't look anything like your avatar...but then, neither do I...:thumbs2:

P1X4R
12-26-2007, 09:02 PM
i got a 55mm uv filter but it doesnt seem to fit...ughh

the inside of the lens cap will tell you the filter size to use.

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 09:06 PM
damn...58mm

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 09:14 PM
ok stupid ? #1...

how come i have to manually zoom in and out and when i use the zoom + - buttons they dont zoom in and out?

P1X4R
12-26-2007, 09:32 PM
zoom buttons? is your lens in AF (auto focus) or MF (manual focus) mode? there should be a switch on it to toggle between the two.

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 09:42 PM
have it on af...
im talking about the little + and - buttons on the right of the camera

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:12 PM
ok these are bad but only my first couple of pics with the new machinery!

http://i15.tinypic.com/6x7fv5e.jpg
http://i12.tinypic.com/6kelnhd.jpg
http://i12.tinypic.com/6ybyb7s.jpg
http://i4.tinypic.com/6u4o383.jpg

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:13 PM
http://i18.tinypic.com/86yx8r4.jpg

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:15 PM
i used tinypic.com...dont know why they came out so big

CocoPUFF
12-26-2007, 10:16 PM
nice first pics, D! Especially the Maul!

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:17 PM
thanks cp...now i gotta learn how to shrink them! lol

this camera is awesome

CocoPUFF
12-26-2007, 10:20 PM
thanks cp...now i gotta learn how to shrink them! lol

this camera is awesome

just change the resolution, no?

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:21 PM
no clue...im learning

CocoPUFF
12-26-2007, 10:23 PM
no clue...im learning

On my old canon, the resolution is usually responsible for the size of the pic. I don't have an XTI yet, but I can't imagine why it would be different. Maybe I'm completely wrong! LOL

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:25 PM
someone will chime in sooner or later with some knowledge

MK Ultra
12-26-2007, 10:28 PM
Nice shots, grats Boondock on the new hardware.:thumbs2:

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:29 PM
thanks...not happy with the pics tho...have lots to learn

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:33 PM
http://i2.tinypic.com/6wx9kdh.jpg

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:33 PM
http://i3.tinypic.com/6nsggti.jpg

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:33 PM
http://i5.tinypic.com/6tm7hxw.jpg

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:34 PM
http://i15.tinypic.com/6og7h2q.jpg

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:34 PM
http://i16.tinypic.com/8epw28i.jpg

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:34 PM
a friend of mine shrunk em down for me...still gotta figure it out

P1X4R
12-26-2007, 10:38 PM
very nice boony! :thumbs2:

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:39 PM
how do you make the pics come oout smaller pix?

CocoPUFF
12-26-2007, 10:40 PM
a friend of mine shrunk em down for me...still gotta figure it out

how'd he do it?

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:41 PM
no idea,,,but i need to find out how to do it from the camera no?

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 10:42 PM
i emailed him the big pics

Zurbaran1
12-26-2007, 10:45 PM
a friend of mine shrunk em down for me...still gotta figure it out

It's pretty simple but you don't do it from the camera. Just open the pics in a photo editing program like Photoshop and downsize them to something like 800 x 600.

P1X4R
12-26-2007, 10:51 PM
yup, like Zurb says you can edit them in something like Photoshop or you can install the one that Canon gives to you for free.

Digital Photo Professional. it's very simple and easy to use. there's a very cool batch mode.

boondocksaint
12-26-2007, 11:07 PM
thanks guys

geto10
12-27-2007, 03:50 AM
have it on af...
im talking about the little + and - buttons on the right of the camera

The good old + - buttons are for zooming in the photos after they are taken.

You have to turn the lens it self to left and right to zoom in and out. And if it's a fixed lens, then there's no zoom.. :thumbs2:

boondocksaint
12-27-2007, 05:16 AM
thanks g

P1X4R
12-27-2007, 05:35 PM
i usually use this for pixel peeping. it's amazing how much detail is captured from a distance!

The good old + - buttons are for zooming in the photos after they are taken.

You have to turn the lens it self to left and right to zoom in and out. And if it's a fixed lens, then there's no zoom.. :thumbs2:

geto10
12-27-2007, 05:46 PM
i usually use this for pixel peeping. it's amazing how much detail is captured from a distance!

Almighty one please explain. Just pressed the + button and all nine points lit red.

P1X4R
12-27-2007, 05:53 PM
doh! i must be thinking of another button. sounds like you're talking about the focus points. with that i usually set mine to center only. i don't like my camera to guess which points to focus on.

geto10
12-27-2007, 06:02 PM
doh! i must be thinking of another button. sounds like you're talking about the focus points. with that i usually set mine to center only. i don't like my camera to guess which points to focus on.

How do you center your focus point? :confused:

And yeah, I hate it when my cam "tries to guess" where the best point is.

Blue Liquid
12-27-2007, 06:31 PM
Roll the wheel by your index finger while the red focusing dots are lit up. You'll scroll through each individual one and then all 9 will light up. You choose the one that suits you best. The center one is the most sensitive, while also allowing for greater control over what the camera focus' on, IMO.

boondocksaint
12-27-2007, 06:36 PM
so much info!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

geto10
12-27-2007, 06:59 PM
Roll the wheel by your index finger while the red focusing dots are lit up. You'll scroll through each individual one and then all 9 will light up. You choose the one that suits you best. The center one is the most sensitive, while also allowing for greater control over what the camera focus' on, IMO.

Ohhhh, I didn't know that! Thx for the info brother! :thumbs2:

P1X4R
12-27-2007, 07:15 PM
On the XTi/400D hit the right button on the upper right hand of the bottom pic. you'll now be able to use the directional "keypad" to choose your focus point(s).


http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w193/p1x4r_2007/tmp/canon-eos-400d-lg.jpg

cma3
12-27-2007, 09:27 PM
doh! i must be thinking of another button. sounds like you're talking about the focus points. with that i usually set mine to center only. i don't like my camera to guess which points to focus on.

no you were right the first time in regards to their question.


the + will also zoom in on a picture.

review any picture that you have taken then hit the +/magnifying glass. it will zoom in.

the - will do two things while reviewing.
1)from a zoomed in view will bring you back to the original shot
2)or will show you nine navigable pictures instead of one big one.



then if you look above these buttons you will see their other uses. one is an asterisk * the is a box with five points in it.

the asterisk button will help you set/lock exposures and the other as mentioned above is the focal point settings shortcut.



to summarize:

the "-" button is the "AE / FE / Index/ Reduce Button" (pgs 84/85/116/118, 142 of your manual)
and
the + button is the "Focus Area Selector/Magnify Button" (pg 57/118, 142)

cma3
12-27-2007, 10:37 PM
enough jabbering from my end...

so a few minutes ago I took ol'hawkeye and decided to practice a bit with DOF and perspectives using the fifty. still in the xmas spirit and also as a good excuse for an interesting backdrop i placed him in front of my tree.

exifs were destroyed when I compressed the images for the web. These are all shot in very low light and hand held, hence not tack sharp and slightly rushed. i am working on my patience and low light exposures.

All Manual / hand held / 1/1000 / F2.0 / ISO800 / 50MM / 430EX / AWB / Center Focus

http://www.cma3.com/imgz/statues/cIMG_1135.JPG

Ultron Action
http://www.cma3.com/imgz/statues/cIMG_1137.JPG

I never noticed these shades before:
http://www.cma3.com/imgz/statues/cIMG_1145.JPG

boondocksaint
12-27-2007, 10:39 PM
sweet pics

P1X4R
12-27-2007, 10:42 PM
nice! i always love having the subject isolated with dreamy background blur (bokeh).