Would you consider the Hulk a hero

[grandpa]

if so why if not why

[MrYac]

of course not, the hulk in his truest "hulk" mindset is a spoiled child who just happens to occasional run across people doing bad things, he causes countless millions in property damage and despite the absurd claims made in his books theres no way in hell he hasn't racked up an enormous body count of innocent people. the Illuminati made the right call in trying to get rid of him IMO

[Moogled]

I'm with MrYac. Hulk is such a goddamn homewrecker that he would not fit any description of what a hero is.

The Hulk is like a serial killer and paranoid schizophrenic rolled into one big, green package.

[krec99]

I'm with MrYac. Hulk is such a goddamn homewrecker that he would not fit any description of what a hero is.

The Hulk is like a serial killer and paranoid schizophrenic rolled into one big, green package.

well said

[MONSTER]

Hulk rules.

[joefixit2]

The Hulk only racks up damage when people don't leave him alone. He has never in his entire run every purposely gone and destroyed building and gone after innocent people. And it has been stated many times, no one has ever died during his battles.

As to a hero, I would say more of a reluctant hero.

[worldbreaker13]

It would depend on what kind of incarnation we are talking about. Savage Hulk doesnt know right from wrong. Mr Fixit will do anything it takes to get what HE wants and only thinks of himself. The smart Hulk was too much like Banner so I think that incarnation would be closest to a "Hero" than the other incarnations. A reluctant hero might be the incarnation from Planet Hulk or WWH.

[rychehitman]

The Hulk only racks up damage when people don't leave him alone. He has never in his entire run every purposely gone and destroyed building and gone after innocent people. And it has been stated many times, no one has ever died during his battles.


Well, actually......there WAS this one time............

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[worldbreaker13]

Oh c'mon! It was Bambi's mother for cryin out loud! Any hero would have done the same thing.

[MrYac]

The Hulk only racks up damage when people don't leave him alone. He has never in his entire run every purposely gone and destroyed building and gone after innocent people. And it has been stated many times, no one has ever died during his battles.

As to a hero, I would say more of a reluctant hero.

and i say no matter how many times it's been stated it's pure BS, he's destroyed cities for cryin out loud, you gonna tell me every time he goes on one of his rampages and rips buildings down everybody just happens to be out of town?

[Nitefall]

I can't explain it but I feel he is a hero. I have always liked The Hulk maybe that is why.

[rychehitman]

I'll give the Hulk this much...

yes, he has done GREAT damage

BUT when presented with the choice between RIGHT and WRONG...even in his childlike state, he always TRIED to choose good.

His anger got in the way a whole lot, and he was manipulated a whole bunch too.

I dont think he ever TRIED to do harm intentionally.

Is he a hero? In some cases, yes. In most cases no...but he has done more good in the world than bad ...hasnt he??

[risingstar]

The Hulk is a total moron.

He'll help you, if you'll be his friend or if you feed him. Otherwise, he doesn't care at all. If he never sees another human again, he'll be the happiest idiot on the planet.

P.S. Not a hero, unless manipulated into it. Thing is, heroes know to stay away wheareas bad guys tend to provoke him. He's a villain-beater by default. He doesn't look to do good things. It's just a way to get people to go away.

[rychehitman]

The Hulk is a total moron.



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[joefixit2]

and i say no matter how many times it's been stated it's pure BS, he's destroyed cities for cryin out loud, you gonna tell me every time he goes on one of his rampages and rips buildings down everybody just happens to be out of town?

If I'm supposed to believe that Superman can "move a planet" than it is just as believable that no one has died in a Hulk battle.

[joefixit2]

Oh c'mon! It was Bambi's mother for cryin out loud! Any hero would have done the same thing.

Actually the two hunters got in the Hulk's way of him getting his Hostess fruit pie.

[Sledge Hammer!]

A hero makes a conscious choice to lay it on the line to do what's right, Hulk merely seems to help on a whim, or when it's in his own interest or because he's been provoked/manipulated into it, so therefore to me Hulk is not a hero.

[Sledge Hammer!]

If I'm supposed to believe that Superman can "move a planet" than it is just as believable that no one has died in a Hulk battle.

Difference to me is that DC has long since abandoned such cheesiness when it comes to Superman moving planets around like billiard balls, and let's face it, there was huge amounts of wacky crap that happened back in the golden and silver age stuff. Marvel, on the other hand, still maintains to this day that Hulk has magically never accidentally killed anyone in all of his rampaging...

[MrYac]

it's like saying Galactus is a hero, because technicly when he eats a planet he does stop all crime being committed there....

[twinzs]

it's like saying Galactus is a hero, because technicly when he eats a planet he does stop all crime being committed there....

:confused: What? Since the Hulk causes a lot of damage and galactus destroys planets they're on the same level?

[Argonus]

I'd say he's a reluctant hero, like Joe Fixit said.

More than anything, he just wants to be left alone by humanity and Earth's heroes. As he's generally "stuck on Earth", if he sees a threat or nuisance that might upset "his norm", he'll lend a hand to stop it...with the help of other heroes or by himself. People get killed in a lot of his fights as keeping them safe generally is last on his list of priorities (we usually hear of the deaths, though, rather than see them outright), but overall if he's standing near "something innocent" (whether it be a deer or small child), he'll protect it from incoming harm rather than sit there and watch it die.

Has he done heroic deeds in the past? Yes. He's saved our Earth numerous times. Is he a hero? Well... on Sakaar, yeah, but not on Earth. His temper, view/warranted distrust of humans, and the general public's view of him will never make him a "hero".

Fine by me, though, Hulk in tights would look odd. :)

[ratchet]

I don't think it's fair to say the whole part about the countless damage he has done...

In the many battles that Spiderman and FF have had in the middle of the city - they have also caused so much damage - and if you think that he is not a hero because of that - then the X-Men certainly are no heroes. Just because Spiderman has tried to stop an enemy of his - his battle damage shouldn't count? That's BS.

The Hulk is the kind of hero that no one wants to align with until it suits their purposes. As soon as a bunch of heroes need real brute strength - they call on him to help - and any other time they just want him to go away. It's selfish and horrible of the other heroes to use him this way. The only reason they shot him into space is because they were scared of him and they knew what they were about to do wouldn't sit well with him - that's seems cowardish and not hero like at all.

Lastly, there has been so many incarnations of the Hulk - it's not fair to just lump them all into one question. He has been a hero many times. He has also been a cause of major destruction at others.

But those of you who think he isn't a hero need to pick up some back issues and start reading. :)

[MrYac]

:confused: What? Since the Hulk causes a lot of damage and galactus destroys planets they're on the same level?

just saying that just because somebody might stop a crime doesn't make him a hero in the end

[ratchet]

just saying that just because somebody might stop a crime doesn't make him a hero in the end

That still makes no sense.

[carrillj]

Anyone who beats the crap out of evil villains is a hero in my book.

Sure he causes destruction along the way, but that's sort of like our US military. Unfortuantely, innocent people will sometimes pay the sacrifice, but its a price that had to be paid to prevent further evil from happening on a larger scale.

[ratchet]

Anyone who beats the crap out of evil villains is a hero in my book.

Sure he causes destruction along the way, but that's sort of like our US military. Unfortuantely, innocent people will sometimes pay the sacrifice, but its a price that had to be paid to prevent further evil from happening on a larger scale.

Exactly waht every superhero does. Causes a bunch of destruction to stop a bigger evil.

[Sledge Hammer!]

Real heroes don't put innocent lives at risk.

[ratchet]

Real heroes don't put innocent lives at risk.

So, in this reasoning, then there are no real heroes.

[lord odin]

Hulk is a hero ditto for Magneto,Doom,Black Adam,Punisher and Ra`s Al Ghul.
They want to make the world better and help protect their people.

[Sledge Hammer!]

So, in this reasoning, then there are no real heroes.

Funny, I've seen plenty. Maybe you've been looking in the wrong places. :p

In fact I see it all the time where a heroes first reaction is to protect the innocent, and get them to safety, or move the fight away from where civillians could get hurt.

[Moogled]

She-Hulk is a hero.

Hulk is not.

See the difference?

[joefixit2]

Funny, I've seen plenty. Maybe you've been looking in the wrong places. :p

In fact I see it all the time where a heroes first reaction is to protect the innocent, and get them to safety, or move the fight away from where civillians could get hurt.

You just described the Hulk during the Planet Hulk run. Thank you for showing that the Hulk can be considered a Hero.

[rychehitman]

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/rychehitman/HULK/hulkspath.jpg

[joefixit2]

In a recent issue of Spidey, a house burned down, a statue fell over and almost crushed someone, and another politian died. Guess we can cross Spider-Man off the hero list.

And as I recall, Damage Controll was formed to repair all the destruction the heroes' battles cause in NYC, not just the Hulk's. Guess that rules out everyone else too.

[The Dark Knight]

No, first of all Hulk is not capable to understand right and wrong. He's neither a hero nor a villain. He's just a brain damaged monster. That's all.

[risingstar]

In a recent issue of Spidey, a house burned down, a statue fell over and almost crushed someone, and another politian died. Guess we can cross Spider-Man off the hero list.

And as I recall, Damage Controll was formed to repair all the destruction the heroes' battles cause in NYC, not just the Hulk's. Guess that rules out everyone else too.



What exactly is the attraction to the Hulk? Is it his conversational skills? His smooth demenor with women? His fashion sense? His inventiveness and creativity? Maybe it's his sparkling sense of humor? Perhaps it's his overwhelming empathy for others?

What exactly are the Hulk's redeeming characteristics that keep people on board?

[ratchet]

Like I've stated - most people are just thinking about one version of the Hulk.

Is he a great conversationalist? Smart Hulk was.

I liked Fixit's attitude. Found it hilarious. There's a sense of Humor - and he was certainly creative and inventive in the way he fought his battles. He was a smart ass - like Spiderman.

The savage Hulk just smashed - but that was a while ago. Hulk hasn't been a mindless brute for a while.

Like I said - check out some back issues. A lot of you will be surprised.

[Argonus]

This is where agreeing to disagree may come in handy.

:)

[rychehitman]

Hey, at least I am trying to provide proof, and not just opinion..

pay attention to panel 6, 7, and 8

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/rychehitman/thor/THOR%20vs%20HULK/Defenders10-16.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/rychehitman/thor/THOR%20vs%20HULK/Defenders10-17.jpg

Even Cap admits that the Hulk is a Monster:)

[Sledge Hammer!]

This is where agreeing to disagree may come in handy.

:)

I think you're right. :)

Some of the arguments are getting a little silly, and let's face it, neither side is gonna budge or change their mind, so yeah, while I respectfully disagree that Hulk is a hero, rather than debating in endless circles I think it's time for me to bow out of this one.

[pendragon]

What exactly is the attraction to the Hulk? Is it his conversational skills? His smooth demenor with women? His fashion sense? His inventiveness and creativity? Maybe it's his sparkling sense of humor? Perhaps it's his overwhelming empathy for others?

What exactly are the Hulk's redeeming characteristics that keep people on board?


From wiki

The Hulk is often viewed as a reaction to war. As well as being a reaction to the Cold War, the character has been a cipher for the frustrations the Vietnam War raised, and Ang Lee said that the Iraq War influenced his direction.[16][36][37] In the Michael Nyman edited edition of The Guardian, Stefanie Diekmann explored Marvel Comics' reaction to the September 11, 2001 attacks. Diekmann discussed The Hulk's appearance in the comic book Heroes, claiming that his greater prominence, alongside Captain America, aided in "stressing the connection between anger and justified violence without having to depict anything more than a well-known and well-respected protagonist."[38] Asked by Naomi Klein if a new Cold War was imminent, Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez cryptically replied: "The geopolitics of the world will be like the Incredible Hulk comics, where he tenses himself before the transformation."[39]

In Comic Book Nation, Wright alludes to Hulk's counterculture status, referring to a 1965 Esquire magazine poll amongst college students which "revealed that student radicals ranked Spider-Man and the Hulk alongside the likes of Bob Dylan and Che Guevara as their favorite revolutionary icons." Wright goes on to cite examples of his anti-authority symbol status. Two of the most notable are "The Ballad of the Hulk" by Jerry Jeff Walker, and the Rolling Stones cover for 30 September 1971, a full color Herb Trimpe piece commissioned for the magazine

[rychehitman]

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q265/rychehitman/thor/THOR%20vs%20HULK/WWH03_Picture4.jpg

[Argonus]

Hahah..

I gotta admit, Hulk attacking Thor with an Adamantium statue of himself is pretty hilarious.

"HULKS SMASH!!" (yes, plural)

[ratchet]

Rych is picking out solitary moments. If I were to show Spiderman trying to save Gwen Stacey and snapping her neck - without showing the whole story of what happened and what's to come - then I could paint a pretty bad picture of Spiderman as well...

[ratchet]

Funny, I've seen plenty. Maybe you've been looking in the wrong places. :p

In fact I see it all the time where a heroes first reaction is to protect the innocent, and get them to safety, or move the fight away from where civillians could get hurt.

But that's what the Hulk did in WWH - said "All of the innocent - move out of the area"

Maybe you want to bow out of this discussion because you know your arguments aren't valid here.

[risingstar]

Like I've stated - most people are just thinking about one version of the Hulk.

Is he a great conversationalist? Smart Hulk was.

I liked Fixit's attitude. Found it hilarious. There's a sense of Humor - and he was certainly creative and inventive in the way he fought his battles. He was a smart ass - like Spiderman.

The savage Hulk just smashed - but that was a while ago. Hulk hasn't been a mindless brute for a while.





I also enjoyed McFarlane's Gray Hulk and the delightfully refreshing Mr. Fixit experiment, however, these were basically one year storylines and not really representative of the 40 plus years of Hulk lore. In fact, those storylines were shorter in duration than the clone Spidey saga.

While I was a fan of David's work too, I quickly grew to have an issue with this multiple personality, multiple skin color, and multiple power level concept. At one point, you just didn't know who the Hulk was going to be in the next issue as it was all dependent upon David's mood.

By the time the Pantheon storyline began, I had all but lost interest.
As a point of note, David's grey Hulk was my favorite Hulk.