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Originally Posted by joefixit2
that is your opinion and since these are rare instances, we should just ignore them. I am sure the parents of the victims are good with this.
you're right, why bother trying, I am sure that will help things.
As opposed to the NRA suggestion of having armed guards in every school which would soon turn into armed guards everywhere turning this into a military rule state, sounds like my rights going away there.
What tyranny exactly are you defending against?
As mentioned many many many times, most of these types of crimes are not done by people who had previous criminal experience.
No one is saying this is the only answer. The problem is very large and takes a lot of discussion. There are other things that need to be addressed, like address mental issues but gun control can only help. How are assault rifles helping?
How is safety training going to prevent anything like we are talking about from happening.
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OK, don't put words in my mouth> I never said ignore them or why bother. I put forth all sorts of solutions and talk about the core problem, my piont is if you do not do that, and keep blaming inanimate objects, there will never be improvement. Bad things happen sometimes, you can only do so much. Two kids were knived in the chest in a theater the other day.
As for armed guards, I don't even think we need that,
but it's safe to say "gun free zones" do not work.
A few armed and trained volunteers from folks that alreayd work there should have access to secure firearms just like people have access to CPR tools or fire extinguishers.
WHy do we accept that guns are ok to protect everything from money, the POTUS, a court house down to a liquor store and not percious children??? It's not logical.
Tyranny from government, the founding fathers were very wise to understand that you must have checks and balances on power as with POTUS, congress, and judicial branches, They knew that if you let the tools of tyrants be put in place, sooner or later someone will abuse them. Often the excuse for curtaling liberties is the common good and promises of security. It is neither.
That is why the 2nd amdndment is right after the 1st.
Make no mistake on that. Again checks and balances, an armed populace is not as easy to just roll over. There will be a cost, it also serves as a reminder to those that might be ordered to do the rolling over on their fellow citizens.
As for no prior crimes...
As I have mentioned several times, there were serious mental health warning signs that clearly went unheeded. We need to look at ways for family to get quick help for those that need it and have access to that help. And yes, for the tiny fraction of gun owners that are not safe with their weapons, they should be kept secure. That is also an area where the NRA can help with more public education. We do the same things for DUI don't we? But we don't take cares away.
A national hotline would be a good idea.
So talking is good, and a national awareness program for these issues would have prevented this without additonal laws.
Again... "assualt rifles" are military weapons that require FULL auto to be an "assault rifle". That is a specefic defintion. Few own these without a great deal of licensing and scrutiny.
We are talking about semi-auto rifles and these have been in the hands of the public for a very long time now. The AR platform is the top most popular rifle.
So to ask "How are assualt rifles helping?" is an inaccurate question.
How would a semi-auto rifle have helped that day to defend those poor defenesless children and teachers in the hands of a trained employee would have helped without question and ended it much sooner then waiting for the cops to arrive.
When seconds matter, the police are minutes away.
WE are the first responders to our own security.
Also what good would it be if criminals obeyed the law to use only ten round magazines if nobody is there to stop them anyways?
The abuse of a firearm to use as a murder weapon is at the end of a long chain of societal failures we must address.
Sadly I doubt that will happen to any effective level. Blame the inanimate object instead will prevail.
