Gauging interest in Tekken - Page 2

Liad · 10-11-2014, 06:51 PM

I don't understand why i'm bothering to answer to your replies when you are ignoring what i'm saying. It's all times sales, for all the games in both franchises history.

Don't you understand that my EXACT POINT is that it's weird how Tekken doesn't have any merchandise, and street fighter does, while they both are fairly close in terms of sales. The only reason I can see Street Fighter having more merchandise is because Capcom doesn't mind whoring out its brand for more revenue. This is pure conjecture though, but it's still confusing.

Once again you are confusing "best selling" with MORE POPULAR. If hard facts isn't good enough, then anything I say is pointless.

Edit: Actually, no one seems to understand my point, so I give up. The conclusion is just that Tekken is definitely not a license PTZ should pick up.

ZenLogikos · 10-11-2014, 06:56 PM

The sales numbers may be accurate, but they are fairly meaningless. Tekken has released seven main series entries, and in that same span Street Fighter has released only two. Sales figures are especially irrelevant for fighting games though. It's all about mind share, and play time.

JP Sarri · 10-11-2014, 07:05 PM

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The sales numbers may be accurate, but they are fairly meaningless. Tekken has released seven main series entries, and in that same span Street Fighter has released only two. Sales figures are especially irrelevant for fighting games though. It's all about mind share, and play time.

Exactly. The numbers only reflect the console era since the first Playstation. Street fighter was a household name way before that time.

DynamicMenace · 10-11-2014, 08:01 PM

i voted yes. and i would like to see Dead or Alive as well as Soul Calibur .

ZenLogikos · 10-11-2014, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Liad

Edit: Actually, no one seems to understand my point, so I give up. The conclusion is just that Tekken is definitely not a license PTZ should pick up.

I get your point.

There is no need to compare Street Fighter to Tekken. Tekken has sold a lot of games. It should therefore be worthy of selling ancillary products.

I'm just not sure the Tekken license transcends videogame-dom as well as Street Fighter has. Street Fighter is part of pop culture.

stellaspeed · 10-11-2014, 10:45 PM

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How do you mean "Not that many great characters" ? It's another fighting game, just like SF, with a huge roster of varied and unique characters.

Ignoring the subjectivity of it, it blows my mind that the best selling fighting game franchise has this few fans when it comes to merchandise (There is almost close to no Tekken merchandise out there), while SF is over-saturated with it.

Thinking about it, it's the same thing with VF, and it's probably because their character designs are based in reality.

Well it's this because it's kits and not pvc statues and with kits most of the time love has to go into them and I can't see alout of people goin crazy to have a tekken kit and I can only think of 5 character that can be easy to do and may sell.

TheYoungWolf · 10-12-2014, 03:51 AM

Nowhere in Liad's initial post am I seeing the desire to compare popular fighting franchises, so I'm not entirely sure why Street Fighter enthusiasts feel the need to come in here and argue superiority. It's asinine.

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Well it's this because it's kits and not pvc statues and with kits most of the time love has to go into them and I can't see alout of people goin crazy to have a tekken kit and I can only think of 5 character that can be easy to do and may sell.

I'd bet Tekken fans would go crazy for some Tekken kits.

Got my vote. Heihachi, Jin, Marshall Law, Yoshimitsu, Kunimitsu, King/Armor King, Nina, Anna, Christie, Eddy, Alisa, and Zafina would all be welcome in my collection.

I'll go ahead and second that plea for Soul Caliber too.

JP Sarri · 10-12-2014, 07:31 AM

I don't have a problem with his first post but with his second one. Affirming than Tekken is the highest selling Franchise of all times is rather deceptive. That rumor has been around for quite some time.

First of all, Sony has been very supportive of Tekken from day one. After all, every single game has run on the cabinet playstation hardware before being ported to home consoles and handheld devises. The games have been given away with PS2, PS3 and PSP bundles. People were only interested in the consoles and got Tekken games, not necessarily because they wanted them, but because they were freebies. Those million copies were also added to the count by Namco only as a sales pitch.

I am not trying to downgrade Tekken. I have also played and enjoyed every single game in the franchise. I still remember when the first Tekken came out after the now classic Virtua Fighter. It was and still is very impressive. I believe that they need more collectibles for sure so I voted "yes" on the poll, but I cannot support the deceptive idea that Namco Fighting's flagship has been financially more successful than Street Fighter only based on the amount of console copies sold (or given away for that matter).

Liad · 10-12-2014, 07:56 AM

jpsarri: My point was that it's a popular franchise as witnessed by sales (which is a good reason for a company to gauge what can be done with the brand), so it's weird that there aren't Kits out there (or any merchandise for that matter). I'm not arguing whether Tekken is good or bad, just that by looking at hard game sales (from the last 20+ years) you can see that there's a market.

SNK on the other hand, has less sales, so it's harder to justify more merchandise based on game sales alone:

-KoF 13 has sold 0.29 million copies since releasing in 2011
-TTT2 sold 0.85 million copies in its first month

You see the difference right? I'm not arguing popularity between franchises, or that Tekken is financially more successful than Street Fighter. I'm trying to put forth an objective argument why Tekken is a worthwhile brand to make merchandise off of.

Why anyone is seeing it as an attack on SF is beyond me. One guy gets my point apparently, the rest are swinging wildly.

-Has Tekken sold more copies than Street Fighter ? Yes. Really doesn't matter how they did it. If NAMCO are smarter advertisers than Capcom, I can't help that.
-Has Tekken made more money as a BRAND than Street Fighter ? definitely not, and i'm not arguing that.

TL;DR :

-Tekken is the highest-selling fighting game FRANCHISE (game copies are what counts).
-Street Fighter is the highest-selling fighting game BRAND (anything with Street Fighter on it is what counts). Street Fighter defined the fighting game genre, was explosively popular in the 90s, and is the reason why Tekken/Virtua Fighter/pretty much every other fighting game out there exists to begin with. It has copious amounts of documentaries, obsessive fans, and is a part of the pop culture. But it still doesn't change the fact that Tekken is the highest-selling fighting game FRANCHISE.

Now give this (hugely subjective) discussion a rest. Do you want Tekken kits: yes or no? it's not hard.

JP Sarri · 10-12-2014, 08:15 AM

SNK bread and butter has always been in the cabinet arcade business. King of fighter 94 (the same year the first Tekken was introduced) brought characters from other sussesful games already in existence (Art of Fighting, Fatal Fury, Ichari warriors, Psycho Soldier). These character have been around a lot longer than Tekken therefore the collectible appeal. Specially when the ones that have the deep pockets to burn in the high end marketplace, grew up in that era (now in their mid 30's and early 40's). Most Tekken players nowadays are in their 20's. Many of them do not have the means to get into the high end collectible world. Not yet, but at some point I am sure they will. That is when we are going to see more statues and kits. Give it time.