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marvelboi77 · 06-09-2017, 12:39 PM

How quickly people forget all the great movies he has given us over the years.

Marvelito · 06-09-2017, 01:46 PM

I saw the film last night, and while I did enjoy it, I was underwhelmed to be honest.

I am by no means overly knowledgeable in regards to WW and her mythos. I know her more from the TV show and animated shows than I do from comics, and what I do know from comics is mostly from appearances in JL or other books, not her own. So when I judge this film, it's more about the film than comparing it to her history in comics.

The film was kind of weird for me in the sense that it would give you something cool, then it would take it away and give you something goofy. Case in point was the lasso. The lasso was a cool weapon and a cool effect to achieve it, but the goofy way it caused those under its spell to fight it was just was not what I wanted. The fights were also cool and well choreographed, but then they'd throw in some odd almost photoshopped looking shots of WW posing or freeze framing in action, like the closing shot of the film. Gal was very likable and carried herself well physically, but she was missing the "Woman" in WW for me. I know that has more to do with this being an origin story and her first adventure, but while she was very heroic in her deeds, she wasn't able to convey the command or presence I expected from WW. Again, this may be by design because of the story being told but it did stand out to me. In regards to the story, it really is something that is an unfortunate thing for these comic films. Every franchise needs to tell its origin story and the reality is that many of these characters have very similar stories, so it's very repetitive and unoriginal, but that's just the way it has to be I guess. The whole fish out water aspect would really take me out of the film a bit. It was "cute" at times, and played in to the era of the film but it was bit much for me. The bit with the ice cream, and the obligatory montage sequence of her trying on outfits, but this was especially true with the whole angle of her being a woman in a "man's" world. Again, I know this all boils down to story, but those moments took me out of the film after a while. Lastly, the villains were just not very menacing or engaging. Dr. Poison was cool but really didn't amount to much and honestly anyone could have done what she did IMO. Ludendorff was not really interesting at all, he was a cut-out Nazi hooked on drugs to get him through the war. Ares and the bait and switch fell flat for me. I can't say what it was, but I sort of caught on immediately that this guy was not on the up and up. When Ludendorff died I was thinking "if he really was Ares I'm going to be pissed!", at which point I realized for sure that Thewlis was Ares and sure enough, there he was. When Ares destroyed the sword and it turns out that... gasp... "the weapon was you the whole time Diana!!" I kind of rolled my eyes a bit. Formidable villains are very tough to come by, I get it. Especially when we all know the hero is not really in any danger, but at least give them a good, hard fight. Bloody the hero's nose a bit, you know what I mean?

So those are my thoughts on the film. I know it may have come off like I hated the film, but I didn't, it just wasn't exactly what I wanted. I also think the film was a tad longer than it needed to be. At this point I kind of feel like Goldilocks in regards to the DCEU, "this film is too dark, this film is too light", I think if we can really find a nice mixture between the films that have been released "it will be just right!" Hopefully JL is that film, that or Aquaman, I forget what's next.

Gothamite · 06-09-2017, 04:33 PM

This was WWI. Nazis didn't exist yet.

Marvelito · 06-09-2017, 04:34 PM

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This was WWI. Nazis didn't exist yet.

But you agree with everything else, right?

Hellboy · 06-09-2017, 05:19 PM

For the most part I agree with the above assessment.

I had zero issues with GG however and thought she was great.

You definitely hit on something with the whole "fish out of water" aspect though. It fits with the character and it's her origin so I get why it's there but that doesn't change the fact that it's such a cliche plot device and as such weakened the experience for me as well.

**nbr3bagshotrow** · 06-09-2017, 05:23 PM

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I bought my Mummy ticket for tomorrow, I love Tom Cruise.

I've enjoyed a majority of his films.

JP Sarri · 06-09-2017, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gothamite

This was WWI. Nazis didn't exist yet.

Actually, The National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nazi Party for short, was created in the aftermath of World War I. The same elements of antisemitism and nationalistic pride of the Deutches Reich were found in the Third Reich (Nazi Germany). Same players, different War. Not reason to get technical with Marvelito's allegory. We know what he means.

Marvelito · 06-09-2017, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JP Sarri

Actually, The National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nazi Party for short, was created in the aftermath of World War I. The same elements of antisemitism and nationalistic pride of the Deutches Reich were found in the Third Reich (Nazi Germany). Same players, different War. Not reason to get technical with Marvelito's allegory. We know what he means.

Gothamite · 06-09-2017, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marvelito

But you agree with everything else, right?

Why would you make this assumption?

Gothamite · 06-09-2017, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JP Sarri

Actually, The National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nazi Party for short, was created in the aftermath of World War I. The same elements of antisemitism and nationalistic pride of the Deutches Reich were found in the Third Reich (Nazi Germany). Same players, different War. Not reason to get technical with Marvelito's allegory. We know what he means.

Assumptions and blanket statements are inherently problematic.