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08-01-2006, 09:49 PM
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The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket.
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Originally Posted by madjazz
And Jeter has a .353 batting average and also plays defense.
Not saying Ortiz doesn't deserve MVP consideration. Just saying that if the season ends the way things are now, I don't think he gets it. He's not the complete package. Offense only. gman mentions this as well. (but what an offense it is, and 2 walk off homers doesn't hurt his argument.)
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being a mets fan i hate both of those teams but i gotta agree with MJ here - no doubt popi is amazing but the fact that jeter contribute on both ends of the spectrum is more MVP worthy
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08-01-2006, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by madjazz
And Jeter has a .353 batting average and also plays defense.
Not saying Ortiz doesn't deserve MVP consideration. Just saying that if the season ends the way things are now, I don't think he gets it. He's not the complete package. Offense only. gman mentions this as well. (but what an offense it is, and 2 walk off homers doesn't hurt his argument.)
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They used that same arugment last year for over-rated-Rod. I'm personally getting sick and tired of it.
I think it has more to do that Derek and A-Rod play for the yankees.
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08-01-2006, 10:33 PM
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The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket.
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Originally Posted by bat_collector
They used that same arugment last year for over-rated-Rod. I'm personally getting sick and tired of it.
I think it has more to do that Derek and A-Rod play for the yankees.
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well MVP has alot to do with where each players team ends up - its easy to be an MVP candidate on a team taht sucks - if boston goes on a downward spiral and dont make the post season dont look at ortiz for MVP consideration - the MVP votes will go to the player on a team with alot of talent and that made it to the post season
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08-01-2006, 10:34 PM
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Angry Green Rage Monster Mod. SMASH!
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Originally Posted by Zurbaran1
He is amazing. At this point I don't know why anyone pitches to him in these situations. I'd defy the convention and walk him whether he is the tying, winning or go ahead run.
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um, bottom on the ninth? = LOSS  
that would be defying convention for sure 
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08-01-2006, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bat_collector
They used that same arugment last year for over-rated-Rod. I'm personally getting sick and tired of it.
I think it has more to do that Derek and A-Rod play for the yankees.
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jeter is a big game player hes proven that!
last year the offensive #s were too close to give it to the dh
if ortiz played 1st base last year he wins mvp hands down
and thats coming from a die hard yankee fan
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08-01-2006, 10:38 PM
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Papi had good enough numbers last year but the DH thing bit him in the arse
Might not happen this year if he continues to widen his lead in the HR and RBI stats
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08-01-2006, 11:09 PM
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Kiss my shiny metal arse!
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Originally Posted by madjazz
Sorry, Jeter has the edge on MVP for this year.
Still, Ortiz gets his props. This guy is quietly building himself a legend up in Boston.
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Sorry but I have to disagree with you here. The MVP should be about which player is more valuable to it's team. If the Yanks lost Jeter & the Sox lost Ortiz for the remainder of the season, which lost would have a greater impact on their respective team?
Ortiz hands down.
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08-01-2006, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by OneOne78
Sorry but I have to disagree with you here. The MVP should be about which player is more valuable to it's team. If the Yanks lost Jeter & the Sox lost Ortiz for the remainder of the season, which lost would have a greater impact on their respective team?
Ortiz hands down.
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I see your argument going the exact opposite direction.
A FT player contributes to the team in both halves of every inning, the DH is inherintly less valuable IMO
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08-01-2006, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JadeGiant
I see your argument going the exact opposite direction.
A FT player contributes to the team in both halves of every inning, the DH is inherintly less valuable IMO
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exactly...i dont see whats so hard to get about that...
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08-01-2006, 11:39 PM
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Kiss my shiny metal arse!
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Originally Posted by JadeGiant
I see your argument going the exact opposite direction.
A FT player contributes to the team in both halves of every inning, the DH is inherintly less valuable IMO
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I'm being specific here which player is more valuable Jeter or Ortiz to their team? If the Yanks lost Jeter they could easily replace him defensively, maybe not his clutch hitting. But who is going to step in a fill Ortiz shoes on offense. The Yanks have a line up that can still make it to the WS without Jeter, the Sox don't.
I see your point and that's why I agree baseball should do away with high priced one dimensional players.
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