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05-28-2017, 12:16 PM
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Phoenix
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Have to wonder if the "evil twin" was in the cards all the time, or written as a "Oh Sh%+" back peddle as a result of the backlash?
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05-28-2017, 12:23 PM
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#132
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Yeah, I spend WAY too much time here!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by protector2814
Have to wonder if the "evil twin" was in the cards all the time, or written as a "Oh Sh%+" back peddle as a result of the backlash?
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My money is on backpeddling.
I wonder if they were going to use the whole thing for a Flashpoint-esque 'soft reset' of the MCU. Still could I guess.
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05-28-2017, 02:23 PM
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#133
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WHITE & NERDY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by protector2814
Have to wonder if the "evil twin" was in the cards all the time, or written as a "Oh Sh%+" back peddle as a result of the backlash?
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I don't know, some comics are done months in advance, but it's always possible they've changed the story at some point.
I personally think it was 'in the cards' all the time.
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05-28-2017, 04:50 PM
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#134
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Columnist Thunder Mod
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Originally Posted by RichBamf
Joe - Have you read the latest issue yet? Waiting to hear your thoughts on this?
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Rich, haven't been to the LCS in a few weeks. New job further away makes it harder. So, no, haven't picked this up yet though I've read the spoilers which never bother me.
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05-28-2017, 06:35 PM
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#135
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Phoenix
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Léon
I don't know, some comics are done months in advance, but it's always possible they've changed the story at some point.
I personally think it was 'in the cards' all the time.
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With writer Nick Spencer's Secret Empire taking so much heat from retailers, fans, collectors, Cap-fans, etc ... it may be really hitting Marvel in more ways then just money. The article that Wktf mentioned in another thread mentions the heat fascist Cap is creating, I think it's very possible/probable in a case like this that The Mighty Bullpen reversed course in a hurry & may have overridden an original story for a "Oh, but that wasn't our Captain America" storyline. I imagine if they had to, Marvel could push a new arc quickly.
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05-29-2017, 08:52 AM
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#136
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Columnist Thunder Mod
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Quote:
Originally Posted by protector2814
With writer Nick Spencer's Secret Empire taking so much heat from retailers, fans, collectors, Cap-fans, etc ... it may be really hitting Marvel in more ways then just money. The article that Wktf mentioned in another thread mentions the heat fascist Cap is creating, I think it's very possible/probable in a case like this that The Mighty Bullpen reversed course in a hurry & may have overridden an original story for a "Oh, but that wasn't our Captain America" storyline. I imagine if they had to, Marvel could push a new arc quickly.
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Right, and wasn't Spencer or Alonso previously quoted as saying that this is the real Cap, only now to seem like it's not the real Cap, tying in Dimension Z or even Secret Invasion? If that's so then this does feel like back peddling.
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05-29-2017, 09:34 AM
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#137
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Gen 13
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I really hope that is not the case and Marvel did not cave in to the heat and change the story. As much as I do not like Hydra Cap I would like to see the original story.
But, it is possible you are right due to the different artists in the book; last few pages where we meet the real Rogers is done by a different artist.
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05-29-2017, 09:54 AM
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#138
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Jedi Order
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Originally Posted by wktf
Right, and wasn't Spencer or Alonso previously quoted as saying that this is the real Cap, only now to seem like it's not the real Cap, tying in Dimension Z or even Secret Invasion? If that's so then this does feel like back peddling.
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Back-peddling or intentionally deceiving. Take your pick. Thing is, we've seen heroes replaced before (e.g., Spidey-The clone, Ms. Marvel-Moonstone, Cap-US Agent, Thor-Thunderstrike, Batman-Azrael, Superman - The 4 replacements, and so on. It's rarely received well by the fanbase as they generally do not appreciate feeling manipulated, financially or emotionally. This storyline will pass like all the others before. I don't think anyone misses any of the prior "replacements" which serves as compelling commentary on the subject.
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05-29-2017, 11:04 AM
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#139
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Yeah, I spend WAY too much time here!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by protector2814
With writer Nick Spencer's Secret Empire taking so much heat from retailers, fans, collectors, Cap-fans, etc ... it may be really hitting Marvel in more ways then just money. The article that Wktf mentioned in another thread mentions the heat fascist Cap is creating, I think it's very possible/probable in a case like this that The Mighty Bullpen reversed course in a hurry & may have overridden an original story for a "Oh, but that wasn't our Captain America" storyline. I imagine if they had to, Marvel could push a new arc quickly.
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Also considering how quickly Marvel were able to reshuffle X-men Gold after the artist committed career suicide makes me think this isn't as difficult as we all would normally think it was.
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05-29-2017, 11:48 AM
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#140
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Originally Posted by RichBamf
Also considering how quickly Marvel were able to reshuffle X-men Gold after the artist committed career suicide makes me think this isn't as difficult as we all would normally think it was.
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Like the title of this thread says "What Crap!"
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