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03-16-2017, 03:20 PM
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Hellboy
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 829
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Originally Posted by samhain81
Definately agree with you there. No doubt about it that this hobby is definitely dying for the international collector
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I think you have to differentiate between the Asian and European market. There will be more and more people in the Asian market with enough disposable income to go into collecting whether it be statues or other collectibles, and given the fact that almost all important companies are from that region, with lower overall prices will see a growing market.
Europe is a completely different animal. Much higher prices due to taxes, shipping et cetera will make for a decreasing market. Not to mention the inflated prices from Asian sellers for XM and other high end stuff.
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03-16-2017, 03:31 PM
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The Masters of Evil
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: N. Ireland
Posts: 5,577
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Originally Posted by Marcel54
I think you have to differentiate between the Asian and European market. There will be more and more people in the Asian market with enough disposable income to go into collecting whether it be statues or other collectibles, and given the fact that almost all important companies are from that region, with lower overall prices will see a growing market.
Europe is a completely different animal. Much higher prices due to taxes, shipping et cetera will make for a decreasing market. Not to mention the inflated prices from Asian sellers for XM and other high end stuff.
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Yeah sorry, should have stipulated that I meant European. Asian Market is indeed unaffected
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03-16-2017, 04:20 PM
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S.H.I.E.L.D.
Adamantium Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 7,183
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Originally Posted by The SHOGUN
What's your guys opinion on the majority of statues from most companies being available for less than retail on the secondary market after they are sold out. I'm not buying these things to make money, but there has been a recent trend that in the past 3-5 years the majority of pieces don't hold or barely hold their original value. One can see this as the pieces just aren't that collectible, desirable or sought after as say the old Hulk PF that still kicks ass in the secondary market.
Remember the old PCS Ryu or Akuma statues those statues KILL in the secondary market. The new 1/4 Ryu which I think is a better statue of Ryu barely sells for retail. Is it a Golden Age thing?...like golden age comics the original are the gems, everything else no matter how well it's made are just the later less desirable versions?
A SMALL part of the fun of collecting (and I emphasize it as NOT a major reason of collecting) was your long sold out piece going for more than you originally paid. It seems 8.5/10 pieces released these days this is NOT a factor. Would you guys say today's pieces just aren't as sought after as pieces from years ago? Is it oversaturation? Is it collectors these days just have bad taste? Is it there just isn't a booming secondary market?
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It's this, almost exclusively.
The customer base has grown, but so too have the producers, licenses, and character choices. The problem is (to maintain collectibility) the ES should have remained the same, but it has grown as well - for most companies. (For ES to grow, one of those other factors should remain the same (or decrease) - basically any of the customer "options/choices". It should be an inverse relationship. 'Limited availability' is key.
Jerry is a collector too, and he is reigning in the ES in response. XM continues to do fine with their well known ES stance. Prime 1 excels despite their ES because their quality and detail is top notch. Everyone else is suspect. I like F4F, but they're making a bad move with their ES policy. In fact, it doesn't make much sense at all. It's a worse plan than PCS had been instituting. The EXCLUSIVE is "open" for a couple weeks... wtf?!!
All this from someone whose primary concern is not ES, nor value, and certainly not flipping. But it is important to the hobby.
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03-16-2017, 04:40 PM
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Birdman
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 356
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The hobby is definitely unsustainable.
Oversaturation of the market with too many companies offering too many scales of all the same licenses. There is no diversity of license offerings anymore in the statue market. That's great for someone who loves Marvel or DC, but not so great for someone who really doesn't collect that and what they once collected is no longer offered.
Prices are over the cliff. What good are choices when everything is outrageously expensive? I don't see the value in a $600 LSB, a $1,000 1/3 scale statue or a $1,500 1:1 bust. I don't buy the whole "you want quality, you have to pay more" mentality. Collectors have bought into that and factories/companies are taking advantage of it. There was a time when you got quality statues for a more manageable price. When an item that is just going to sit on a shelf costs as much as a mortgage payment, something is wrong.
Wait times are ridiculous. 2 plus years for a statue? Sorry, but life moves on and there are more important things to focus on.
As a veteran collector, I have a lot of gripes with the state of the hobby. I've been collecting statues since 2003. Things were good until the recession in 2008, then everything went to hell and continues to get worse. Statue collecting isn't niche anymore. To me it's old hat. Perhaps that's my cue to exit and let someone new who hasn't ridden the waves for over a decade take my place.
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03-16-2017, 04:42 PM
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Inhumans
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New York
Posts: 9,183
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I like the timed exclusive F4F uses so everyone who wants one will get one. Their company and statues are not hyped up like the other statue companies though.
I mostly collect 1/4 DC and these rising prices mean lesser known characters won't be made unless they become mainstream in a live action movie.
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03-16-2017, 04:48 PM
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S.H.I.E.L.D.
Adamantium Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 7,183
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Originally Posted by BurningRage
I like the timed exclusive F4F uses so everyone who wants one will get one. Their company and statues are not hyped up like the other statue companies though.
I mostly collect 1/4 DC and these rising prices mean lesser known characters won't be made unless they become mainstream in a live action movie.
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Yes, I "like" it too. Love the Varia Ex, Simon Ex. Everyone likes it when you can get one - at the time. But later? And is that good for the hobby? I.e. the subject of this thread? Doesn't "exclusive" lose it's meaning, when anyone who wants one can get one?
Legit question. Not intended to slam you particularly.
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03-16-2017, 05:04 PM
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Yeah, I spend WAY too much time here!
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Shockingly...page one!
Posts: 18,641
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I think that people are being more selective now. Gone are the days where 90% of collectors can be completionists - it's just not possible.
With me there are always the same two issues- space and price Personally I'd rather have a large collection of reasonably priced, reasonably sized pieces than just three or four pieces that are 1:1 scale and cost $4000 - the market seems not to agree with me but there you are.
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03-16-2017, 05:06 PM
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#28
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Inhumans
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New York
Posts: 9,183
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The es is still capped off. I don't buy statues as investments. I don't get off knowing I got a statue that has a high aftermarket value. I'm not a hype collector either.
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03-16-2017, 05:06 PM
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#29
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Omega Flight
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 6,332
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I've only been in this hobby for about 10 years, and I must say that over-saturation is absolutely the reason our hobby is in the state it is in. Not much is collectible anymore as there are a helluva lot more companies out there producing the same characters, etc with overly large ES, so while it gives us more choices, the pieces lose their "desirability", which is what drives people to want said items (besides them just loving the sculpt and character obviously).
Back when I started, it was a lot easier to get a sold out piece for a decent price on the secondary market, than it is today (I was late in the statue game, so I had to play a little catch up), as I feel back then most people who sold their pieces were actual collectors, and not just there to make a profit. Now that comics are mainstream pop culture, it seems that people have turned to just flipping to make a profit, in turn driving up secondary market prices. I don't collect these in hopes to make a profit, I'm only surprised when I actually do, especially after all of the fees you pay using eBay and PayPal.
Life is also different for me now, I'm married and have a kid, so I sold a good deal of my collection and am really selective on what I'm keeping, and even more on what I'm buying. I took a long break, but XM's Darkness pulled me back in (momentarily).
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03-16-2017, 05:11 PM
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#30
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U talkin' to me?
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Qc, Canada
Posts: 529
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Originally Posted by ZenLogikos
Yes, I "like" it too. Love the Varia Ex, Simon Ex. Everyone likes it when you can get one - at the time. But later? And is that good for the hobby? I.e. the subject of this thread? Doesn't "exclusive" lose it's meaning, when anyone who wants one can get one?
Legit question. Not intended to slam you particularly.
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If I'm not mistaken..F4F exclusives sell pretty high on the aftermarket..with their warehouses in Europe and Canada, I feel F4F is truly listening to fans, also they show up factory samples for reveal so no let down..their products are always on par to what we first saw.. i'm starting to be a fanboy lol..I'm sure F4F is on the rise
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