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Old 03-27-2007, 09:25 AM   #31
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So,

All garage kits on sale and companies that sell models if they do not have official regonition or rights to do so are against the law.
I can only talk about crow figures as that is what i collect. I know for sure that there where 4 movie licensced statues (3 statues and one model kit)
The other i do nt know if they have a licensce or not. In that case how do you go about it. I mean NECA i think have bought the license to do the Crow, but whatabout the other compmanies. (I am not talking about garage kits possible not more than 100 pieces), but on teh mass porduced companies. I know that Dragonfly did their crows in collaboration with James O'barr, teh creator of the crow.

These are all legal issues as i guess james has the rights over the crow, but i think also many other poeple have the rights as well, like pressman who where involved in production of comics and film, miramax etc etc. It is a very hard line to define.
I do not know the exact inter-relationships of the Crow's rights, but the general way it works is as follows:

Creator of character would own copyright and trademark unless he assigned it to a company. Owner of IP rights would be free to offer either an exclusive license or multiple non-exclusive licenses to others.

So Barr or the Comic company licensed the story to Miramax. Miramax may have had the ability to license merchandise from the movie or that may have been kept by Barr/Comic company. Additionally, Barr/Comic company likely maintained all rights with respect to the comic and merchandise based on it.




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On teh other hand i think that such companies should embrace people who do statues etc of tehir products as after all tehy giving more popularity to their characters and let's face it. The corportae license holder compnaies do not fulfill the collector's desire - they are more into teh finacaial gain of things - just me 2cent - i may be wrong
Just touching upon this as I think it would involve a very lengthy answer:

While an unlicensed product may bring some popularity, the owner obviously has no say over the items being produced, including commenting on the control of the items. So if the market were flooded with cheap, poorly designed Crow statues, collectors could actually be turned off from seeking out true licensed products.

Also, thi sis all about money. A small creator like Barr suffers more than a large company when his IP rights are used without his permission. The character is not as popular and does not have as big a fan base, making it more difficult for him to compete.

There is a concept called policing your trademark which could come into effect if IP owners just turned a blind eye to everything. The gist of the policy is: if you don't protect your IP rights, you lose such rights. This can happen in multiple ways, the most common is when a trademark becomes generic - Kleenex for all facial tissues, Xerox for all photocopies etc. I have never seen that concept carried over to a statue or character of that nature, but am sure it is possible.
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Old 03-27-2007, 01:39 PM   #32
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I am not trying to be a smart alec here, but since we have a couple of lawyers I have always had a question about this debate. I agree that it is illegal to produce and sell any image that is copyrighted, but my question is, can a person enforce his copyright using law enforcement only and thereby avoiding the cost of litigation. In other words, suppose I own the rights to a characters image, and I find out someone is making sculpts of the character and selling them. Can I just go down to the police station or DA's office and ask that they be prosecuted (I understand the the prosecuter has discression on what cases he prosecutes, but theoretically, would it work?) or is it only a violation of civil law and not criminal law? I realize you couldn't get damages with this approach, but as has already been pointed out, in most of these cases cost to get awarded damages would far outpace any damages received in any case. I know cease and desist letters often threaten lawsuits, but do they also have the potential to threaten jail sentences or is it always just a matter of paying a fine or damages?
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Old 03-27-2007, 08:51 PM   #33
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TNovak - I do not know the mechanism, but the answer is yes. There are two different copyright statutes - one directed to civil liability and one directed to criminal liability. In order to be subject to criminal liability, the sales have to reach a certain statutorily set out level (I will update later). However, I do not know if you would just call the FBI or do something else to enforce those criminal rights.

The difference if you just pursure criminal sanctions is that you do not get a monetary award. Also, the burden of proof is greater for a criminal act.
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