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Old 10-05-2005, 08:54 PM   #1
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Questions..

Hi guys, other than having a background in painting "warhammer" in grade 7 (4 years ago - man was that a bad hobby), I have no experience whatsoever. I'm a graphic designer so I have somewhat of an idea of what looks good and not, so I'd assume that would help me A LITTLE..lol. Anyways, I was thinking of getting started on painting some busts, but it's quite expensive..Is there a nice small set of paints I could buy for an affordable price, and some affordable busts that won't really matter if I SCREW up on (probably will)? I have the brushes..although I'm not too good with anything but solid colors. How would I go about mixing and creating the shades and what not I see around here? Also,

where do I purchase Gabe Perna's sculptures?

All I've found is KillingTime and I was thinking of buying the clear Ice man for $55 US, but how would I paint it since it's clear? I would like to add a frosty effect like the Bowen one but NOTHING else..just frost

Anyways, not sure if this is the hobby for me - I want something to do and I liked doing Warhammer, it's just expensive u kno..

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Old 10-05-2005, 08:55 PM   #2
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Also, links to cheap busts ($25 and under) to start my beginning stuff on would be appreciated. Superhero only of course. Thank you
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Old 10-05-2005, 11:40 PM   #3
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A site called Endless Enterprises also exists that has a few Perna items. I would highly suggest that you don't buy anything from them, you'll get plenty of excuses but no kits. I only mention them to help you avoid them.
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Old 10-06-2005, 06:48 AM   #4
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Killing Time is probably your best bet for getting Gabe's sculpts. Randy runs a good business and will take care of you. That being said, if you thought Warhammer was expensive ( it is, I STILL paint those things!) painting kits and such will likely be as expensive if not more so.

"Most" of the effects you see here are done using transparent paints and an airbrush over a solid basecoat. There are many ways of getting a particular look (oil paints, pastels, etc...) but the airbrush is the weapon of choice for me. As for paints, you can likely use the GW pots you may have on hand (I use them all the time for painting kits )

As for which paints, acrylics like the GW brand are the ones used most often. Apple Barrel, Delta Ceramcoat and Anita's brand craft paints can be found at Michael's or Hobby Lobby and are pretty cheap. Golden and Liquitex would be the next step up, but are quite a bit more expensive.

Hope this helps a little!

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Old 10-06-2005, 08:39 PM   #5
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Hey Rick! Thanks so much, and others too. I really appreciate your responses in trying to help a hopeful newbie out ><

Anyways, I'm planning on buying the Ice-clear version of Ice-Man for $61 US after shipping..I just love the sculpt. I'd also like to buy Collossus but unfortunately I don't think I have the skills to paint that!

I'm really looking forward to progressing on this hobby, and I'd really appreciate your forumites help. Rick, where would I find an airbrush kit? How much are they, generally? What do I need to get into painting busts? Where can I get these things? My GW paints are crusted over by the way :P!

Lastly, where else can I purchase Gabe Perna's busts, I'd really like a Bizarro and Batman but I cannot find them anywhere. I really hope you guys can help me out and I'd be sure to post progress pics of my work along the way

Oh, last question of this post. How would I go about painting the clear Ice-Man with a frost effect, step by step?

THANK YOU !!!

Kyle

EDIT: Also wondering how easy an airbrush is to use..how much DOES it help? I know shading with normal paint is hard, at least for me ><. I can basically have one solid color in the lines, I don't know how to do anything more. How does an airbrush work??
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Old 10-06-2005, 09:37 PM   #6
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With regards to an airbrush, I recommend that you take some time to practice with whatever airbrush you pick up. I recommend that you get a good quality brush....something like the Badger Sotar 20/20 or the Iwata HP-A (I use the Badger and Rick uses the Iwata). You can pick up a nice airbrush for a good price at Dixie Art http://www.dixieart.com/

These are both primarily detail brushes and great for getting nice tight lines and they atomize the paint very well for nice smooth shading.

Since you have not used an airbrush yet, I also recommend that you pick up some airbrush ready paints like ComArt and Golden. Once you get used to the consistency of these paints and how they spray, you can move onto mixing your own.

The Bizarro is also available from Killing Time Kits, just e-mail them and let them know your are looking for one. The Batman piece is available from Mad Dog Resin.

When working with clear resin, you have to take a much different approach to painting. There is no room for error due to it being transparent paint and you cannot hide any errors....you see everything. When I painted the Iceman, I primed the bust with Testors Dullcote (I also use this product to seal my work with most projects). Then I took ComArt Opaque White and thinned it very heavy with 91% Isopropyl Alcohol (about 15 parts alcohol to 1 part paint) and set the pressure on the aircompressor to about 10 psi. Slowly spray and build up the frosted effect along the points and blend them down as well as add subtle frosting to highligh features and muscles. The I took several shades of transparent blue and added shading to the deeper parts of the muscles and crevasses.

Hope this helps alittle.
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:09 AM   #7
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Hi Danno, I'm at school right now so I'll make another response once I get home in a few hours. Anyways, thanks, you helped a lot. The Dixie Art site though, I noticed it was in New Orleans, so they must not be active. Also, could I see pictures of your painted clear Ice Man?

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Old 10-07-2005, 04:24 PM   #8
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Hi,
Someone was saying I need a compressor and what not. What I need is like a complete starter kit for airbrushing, compressor and airbrush, etc. I don't have ANYTHING for airbrushing and don't know anything pretty much. I don't want to spend over 250 US for compressor and airbrush, but I still don't want to skimp out on quality. So, where should I purchase these kits at affordable prices? Also, I really want Gabe Perna busts but they are so hard to find. I contacted KillingTimeKits on the Bizarro (waiting for response), and MadDogResin is sold out of the Batman. I'll start off with the IceMan for now

Anyways, is airbrushing hard? I'm 15 and I'm decent at drawing and am very fluent with Photoshop/Illustrator..hope this helps :S

How long does it take to learn, and what should I practice on? I want to practice before I paint a $60 IceMan bust, but where :S Is there online tutorials on airbrushing and what not? I've been researching but can't find much - probably because I don't know what I'm looking for :S

Thanks you guys,
Kyle

EDIT: I found your IceMan Danno, very nice..

EDIT 2: What would you guys reccomend for my beginning busts. What are easy to paint and don't take much skill?
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Old 10-07-2005, 04:36 PM   #9
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Hey Kyle,

to begin airbrushing...you should have an aircompressor with a water trap and pressure regulator. For fine detail work you will need to adjust your pressure to meet your needs as you are working along.

For testing, you can take a piece of heavy artist paper and spray primer down on it and let that dry. After that, you can begin doodleing and playing with the brush to get a feel for things.

Unfortunately....the garage kit hobby is an expensive hobby. In the grand scheme of things, a $50.00 piece is a mighty inexpensive piece and prices can escalate quite quickly depending on what you buy.

To help you get a better uderstanding, I highly recommend that you subscribe to the major figure kit mags like Kitbuilders Magazine or AFM. These provide step by step walk throughs on building/painting kits.
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Old 10-07-2005, 11:28 PM   #10
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Hi,
I'll consider picking up certain issues from those magazines but first I'd like to get the kit thing settled. Is there anyone here that knows links or places to buy good kits with aircompressors included and what not? I don't know what I need (besides what danno said) so hopefully you guys can help me out and link me to some kits

Anyways, how long would it take to produce moderate outcomes? Just simple things, maybe some shading here and there.

http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=15999

The head for example, does anyone know approximately how much experience it would take to do some shading like that? Not the eyes, or veins, or eyebrows or hair, just the shading of the white head.

Is the frost effect on IceMan hard?

I'd just like to know more about airbrushing, beginners stuff. Outcomes and other stuff like that. Also, I'd like to find a kit first, as I'm having trouble finding one.. I found stuff here: http://www.airbrush-depot.com/script...=abiwakits.bbx but don't know what to get :S I really want to get into airbrushing, I'm just worried that I may suck at it and be out $300 US for initial startup costs..that's a lot of money for me.

Anyways, I'd really appreciate responses and your help, and not only you Danno. I really appreciate your responses as they're pretty much just what I'm looking for, but I don't want to trouble you so much lol

EDIT: I found something that I think, not knowing but guessing, is beginner airbrushing, if I'm wrong correct me.

http://www.statueforum.com/attachmen...chmentid=14931

Is this hard to do for a beginner, with experience in painting minitures (not much) but no airbrush experience?
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