Justice League *SPOILERS from Pg 59*

[Augen]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

I am seriously contemplating passing on picking up the 4K of this. It was such a disappointment. Not even Wonder Woman could save it. I do think the DCU needs a complete reboot with maybe the exception of Wonder Woman, although I would like to see some improvement in Gals acting which is quite wooden.

That's all I ask, don't throw the good out if they go the Flashpoint route.

I thought Justice League was okay, a messy mixed bag due to two directors. I think the DCU can be salvaged, but I'd understand if they move away from it with stand alone feature sin the future.

[SONICobra]

they wont do anything with gal, WW was the most successful movie thus far in the dceu - right now shes currently the only thing working for them. i personally think cavill is an awesome superman and am really looking forward to him finally getting a proper sequel. i enjoyed affleck but now hes tainted with all this drama bs between him and dc

keep cavill and gadot, scrap the rest

[Augen]

Originally Posted by SONICobra

they wont do anything with gal, WW was the most successful movie thus far in the dceu - right now shes currently the only thing working for them. i personally think cavill is an awesome superman and am really looking forward to him finally getting a proper sequel. i enjoyed affleck but now hes tainted with all this drama bs between him and dc

keep cavill and gadot, scrap the rest

I certainly would have no issue if movie Barry Allen was replaced by Wally West and keep television Barry Allen going.

[JP Sarri]

Originally Posted by jedi_don

I’d go for a story reboot. I have nothing against the actors. I think they have all done an admirable job given the bad scripts. And while Gal’s acting is lacking, she is improving and her personal charisma goes a long way. Cavil has not been given the chance to play the Superman we all want except for about 5 minutes in Justice League. It’s just shame to waste money, time and talent to produce a mediocre Man of Steel and crappy BvS and Justice League.

Snyder needs to take a big part of the blame for the failure. He treated the DCU with the same cynical and nihilistic views as the Watchmen universe. Snyder seems to be in love with Miller’s and Moore’s work. While the Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen were both important pieces of work, those perspectives of super heroes are not what most people love about the DCU. And cynicism and nihilism don’t equal “gritty reaslism”.

Sadly, I agree.

[built2shred]

IMO They should just keep Cavill and Gadot and make solo Superman and WW movies and after 6-7 years peoples memories will fade of BvS, Justice League and Suicide Squad, then WB can reboot the whole thing... But they've already committed to A Flash and Aquaman solo movies so will se how those go, but if they crash and burn then they will defiantly need a complete reboot...

[jedi_don]

I do want add tht there is plenty blame on the WB executives. I highly doubt Snyder hid his approach to these movies. So the execs bought in to what he was doing until they changed their minds and canned him during JL. The execs were stupid to green light JL before waiting to get audience reqction on BvS. And on top of all of that, letting Snyder go forward even after getting the negative BvS reaction. Plus the execs forced Whedon to cut the movie under 2 hours so they can maximize theater turnaround opening weekend before word of mouth hit the streets. Plus the execs forced the release of JL in November to keep their bonuses.

WB needs to clean house and remove these incompetent movie execs.

[built2shred]

Originally Posted by jedi_don

I do want add tht there is plenty blame on the WB executives. I highly doubt Snyder hid his approach to these movies. So the execs bought in to what he was doing until they changed their minds and canned him during JL. The execs were stupid to green light JL before waiting to get audience reqction on BvS. And on top of all of that, letting Snyder go forward even after getting the negative BvS reaction. Plus the execs forced Whedon to cut the movie under 2 hours so they can maximize theater turnaround opening weekend before word of mouth hit the streets. Plus the execs forced the release of JL in November to keep their bonuses.

WB needs to clean house and remove these incompetent movie execs.

Keep in mind that DC Entertainment is it's own division under Warner Brothers, they basically do what they want just like Marvel does with Disney. WB for the most part leaves DC Entertainment alone. But after the debacle of several of their movies Warner Brothers has decided to step in, they first fired Silverman who was more or less in charge of all the DC Movies and then they fired Snyder because DC Entertainment wouldn't get rid of him. From what I've read DC Entertainment film division will merge with Warner Brothers Pictures so WB can have more control over the DC Movies in the future.

As for Joss Whedon, I agree his humor doesn't mesh well with Snyder's darker themes...

I think Zack's biggest mistakes in MOS was having Superman kill Zod, although it didn't bother me at all it did cause fanboys (which critics seem to be a part of) to hate the film.. I think if Superman didn't kill Zod the film would of probably been supported more by the critics and fanboys...

In BvS, his biggest mistake was the poor casting choice of Lex Luthor. For someone who makes dark more serious movies, casting Jesse Eisenberg was a major mistake, it just didn't work, Eisenberg seem more like Lex Luthors dorky kid then Lex Luthor himself.

He should of also came up with a better way for Batman and Superman to stop fighting besides them having mothers with the same first name. It just came off really cheesy... something that can be overlooked with the lighter Marvel movies but with a more serious darker DC universe that Snyder was trying to make he should of came up with something different a bit more clever.

Also the Batman visions made no sense to the general viewing audience... they should of just been left out...

Another flaw in BvS IMO was the whole premise of the story in which Batman wanted to kill Superman because his employees were killed and his building destroyed in the fight with Zod... I think Bruce Wayne is smart enough to know that Superman was only trying to defend earth.... So for him to resort to petty revenge was a rather weak story line IMO.

[Vracula]

BVS turned to ---- for me as soon as batman got all emotional when he saw supes show up . Snyder has been a disaster. F**k his 2 hour cologne ads that he calls movies.

[Vracula]

David Ayer should be next on the chopping block. He is a one trick pony who can only do cop movies.He really should be doing Cop tv shows he isn’t big budget calibre.

[jedi_don]

Originally Posted by Vracula

David Ayer should be next on the chopping block. He is a one trick pony who can only do cop movies.He really should be doing Cop tv shows he isn’t big budget calibre.

I am kn the fence with Ayer. I have seen Fury and Suicide Squad. Fury was really well done. Hard to tell how much blame he gets with Suicide Squad. He’s on the record saying that WB gave him 2 weeks to write the script. And i the end, WB gave the movie to Trailer Park, a company that cuts trailers, to edit the movie. I would like to see the Ayer edit. It still might still suck, but I would like see the tone he was going for.