Will the real Juggernaut please stand up!

Crom · 10-20-2006, 01:32 PM

A good article with Frank Tierri at Newsarama:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=88352

I haven't read New Excalibur. Looked crappy to me. I personally hate when villains become good guys. Some of the characters are straight-up scum who are mass murderers. Sabertooth should always be a villain. And the same goes for Juggy in my book.

Venom is best as a villain, but I understand how he could cross the line form bad to good. Venom was created solely to destroy Spider-Man, not to go on crime sprees. The guilt that Eddie Brock felt was understandable and relevant at times.

I hope Juggy is back, bad and at full-power in time for The Hulk to return to Earth. A smack-down is in order between those two. And Thor, also.

thecallahan · 10-20-2006, 01:44 PM

Huggernaut, awesome!

Crom · 10-20-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by thecallahan

Huggernaut, awesome!

That's your new nickname!

thecallahan · 10-20-2006, 01:48 PM

Yes, I finally get a nickname!

Don't you know who I am? I'm the Huggernaut *****! Let's hug it out!

Perna · 10-20-2006, 02:12 PM

Yeah, the White Queen was at her best when she was a bad guy....errrrrrr gal.

Crom · 10-20-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Perna

Yeah, the White Queen was at her best when she was a bad guy....errrrrrr gal.

Defnitely. I think it can work at times, but it feels like there are too many becoming good. I recognize that after 30, 40, sometimes 50 years of stories writes need to go somewhere different and you really can't change the status quo on a hero as drastically as a villain. Villains are blank slates for the most part. I still think that villains should stay villains.

bat_collector · 10-20-2006, 02:45 PM

Let's not act like this is new.

Remeber the second team of the avengers? hawkeye? Quicksilver? Scarlet Witch? All former bad guys (and two are former good guys who were former bad guys???)

And I hope that Juggernaut is good again. sheesh, he never made a good hero.

Daredevil · 10-20-2006, 05:34 PM

There is a lot to write about Juggernaut learning his ways as a hero after being bad for so long.

MrYac · 10-20-2006, 05:55 PM

sounds pretty damn cool to me, i've always loved Juggy and where i don't really hate that he's a good guy now i HATE the drastic power loss he's suffered. and as Crom said i hope this all happens before World War Hulk because i'd love to see Juggs back to full power step in to dance with big green

Perna · 10-21-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bat_collector

Let's not act like this is new.

Remeber the second team of the avengers? hawkeye? Quicksilver? Scarlet Witch? All former bad guys (and two are former good guys who were former bad guys???)

And I hope that Juggernaut is good again. sheesh, he never made a good hero.

I'd argue that point in the sense that Hawkeye, Scalet Witch and Quicksilver may have started off as villains but they became heroes rather quickly as opposed to established villains who have been around for years and years and the writers decided "hey, lets make this guy a good guy", for no real valid reason.

Juggernaut was one powerful character and when they made him a hero, they also depowered him greatly. I loved watching Juggy go toe to toe with heavy hitters like the Hulk and Thor. Now he's a weenie.