Christian..???

[JadeGiant]

Originally Posted by Tony Coca

Thats why Religon sucks.Just believe in God.

well said TC

[Confessor]

I guess the path is too thin to stay on the point....

.....which was NOT whether a particular lifestyle choice is right or wrong....

.... but rather whether or not it is wise for a business that has a core set of beliefs to have as its primary protagonist (in this film), an actor who holds an extreme opposite opinion and rabidly promotes activism for that lifestyle. That is the issue.

[Tony Coca]

Originally Posted by Confessor

I guess the path is too thin to stay on the point....

.....which was NOT whether a particular lifestyle choice is right or wrong....

.... but rather whether or not it is wise for a business that has a core set of beliefs to have as its primary protagonist (in this film), an actor who holds an extreme opposite opinion and rabidly promotes activism for that lifestyle. That is the issue.

oh there's a point to this.

If the guy can act let him do the part.How many straight men or woman have done *** sceens before.Religous belief should have no merit on wheter or not a person gets the role in a movie,or for that matter any job.

And always remember God said Love your Brothers no matter what.

[galactus]

Originally Posted by bomen

once again, I see majority pap looking for "oneness" and "correctness", maybe w/exception of Confessor, he at least also draws the line consistently.

Making it simple takes away all emotion: The Book is either 100% right. Or 100% wrong. Period. You makes your choice, you live (or die) with it.

*sigh* I know, I know, it's all soooo much less offensive when we're talking statues, ain't it....

Not to start an argument, but how on earth can the ENTIRE "Book" be right or wrong, especially when everything in it is open to interpretation?

The main thing I have found with very religious people (be it Catholic, Muslim, Jewish...) is that they basically take no reponsibility for their actions. Everything is You Know Whos will. Anthing which happens is You Know Whos decision. We as people simply need to sit back and allow You Know Whos will to take its course. Sorry, I don't buy it.

Faith ,which guides you in making your OWN decisions, is a good thing. Faith, as a reason to NOT make any decisions on your own, is frankly scary and dangerous.

[Confessor]

Originally Posted by Tony Coca

oh there's a point to this.

If the guy can act let him do the part.How many straight men or woman have done *** sceens before.Religous belief should have no merit on wheter or not a person gets the role in a movie,or for that matter any job.

And always remember God said Love your Brothers no matter what.

That's a very good post that makes your point well and is focused on the idea of whether the actor's lifestyle choice should be the deciding factor on whether or not he gets the role.

I really don't have a solid opinon on this one, for once. But I will say that the only difference b/w a normal secular company and this one is that this one is a Bible-believing Christian one, in which the message and the goal of business is (in addition to making a living) to live out in their product (films) the personality of Christ in a way that draws viewers to Him. So the bar is set a bit higher.

On the other hand, and in support of your comment about God saying to (may I paraphrase) "love your neighbor as yourself":

On the other hand, God works in mysterious ways that many times do not stand up to HUMAN reasoning. So if the "decision maker" responsible for selecting this actor for this role made the decision after genuine, diligent, thoughtful and open (to God) prayer, then who are we to challenge that? I don't know if the one who chose him did that or not. But if he did, then perhaps God would use this actor's experience during the film making to speak to his heart and turn him around. Who knows?

Good post, TC.

[Confessor]

Originally Posted by galactus

.....The main thing I have found with very religious people (be it Catholic, Muslim, Jewish...) is that they basically take no reponsibility for their actions. Everything is You Know Whos will. Anthing which happens is You Know Whos decision. We as people simply need to sit back and allow You Know Whos will to take its course. Sorry, I don't buy it.

Faith ,which guides you in making your OWN decisions, is a good thing. Faith, as a reason to NOT make any decisions on your own, is frankly scary and dangerous.

I haven't run into this much (these folks who take no resp.), but I agree that that is rather sad. We should all take responsibility for our OWN actions no matter what, be we secular-minded or spiritually-minded (I dont care for the word "religious"....I think thats a negative in the connotation of today's culture). We should not be unthinking victims to ["Gods will" or "woah-is-me my poor circumstances" or "my brain's just wired this way" or whatever]. But rather, deal with the cards we're dealt and make the best decisions we can, but.....

.....if we are christian, then we should "let God be in control", yes, but that means being fervently open to Him via prayer and knowledge of his Word (Bible), and then make OUR decision based on His will. A christian, when faced with adversity, should lean on God (after all, he wants our dependence on Him, essentially) for strength and take a bad circumstance and use it for spiritual growth and to advance His cause.

You make good points, G.

[bomen]

Originally Posted by galactus

,in it is open to interpretation?.

that's the point. it's not open. at least not to the one who inspired its writings.

Originally Posted by galactus

The main thing I have found with very religious people (be it Catholic, Muslim, Jewish...) is that they basically take no reponsibility for their actions.

Now who's making accusations? a) I'm not religious. I'm Christian. Religion is Man getting in the WAY of Christianity. b) I have and take full responsibility for my actions and decisions. So too will you.

Everything is You Know Whos will. Anthing which happens is You Know Whos decision. We as people simply need to sit back and allow You Know Whos will to take its course. Faith ,which guides you in making your OWN decisions, is a good thing. Faith, as a reason to NOT make any decisions on your own, is frankly scary and dangerous

none of this is scripturally accurate. All of it is 'feel good' inclusiveness.
Which is ok, except in the end, THAT won't save you.

Once again, sorry all. But here's another Mental Bumper Sticker: if I'm wrong, I simply have had a great life, morally sound, good to all, and I die and go to sleep or whatever the self-help age think.

If I'm right, that implies others are wrong. And that is where folks need to read up, study up, pray up, and make informed decisions, not worldly decisions.

The gate is narrow.Few will find it. Make sure.

I'm done on the soapbox, if you agree, thanks, if not, please don't take offense, we all have the decision, guess we will agree to disagree.

[Confessor]

B--

You make your points nicely. But how I took G's comment there was no that he was making any accusations at all. But rather, he was giving his experience with some "religious folk" and them being so passive in their religiousness that they take no active role in the direction of their life.

On a side note, I think a nice summary of a lot of us who are Christians is that, frankly, many of us are largely ineffective in advancing the Cause. That's pretty sad. A great easy read on this for believers AND NON-believers is "The Screwtape Letters" by CS Lewis. I re-read this now and again to remind me of that. It's not preachy in the least and is very observational and informative on many of the complaints that secularists (validly) make.

Ghandi once said it very well....that is, the state of many in the Faith today:

"I like your Christ. But I don't much care for your Christians."

Sad but true (and I am including myself as well and how I find myself acting many times). Sometimes Christians do worse than being "simply" ineffective. Their actions/words/demeanor, etc. actually drive many away from Truth.