Disney Buying 21st Century Fox?

[ParisDean]

Originally Posted by Gothamite

1) The anthology movies have been quietly canceled.

I read that too. It's too bad because an Obi-Wan movie seems to be the one fans really want to see.

[qz33]

Originally Posted by ParisDean

Star Wars and comic books being different is irrelevant to the fact that a president of a comic book film studio still has to know what he/she is doing. If it was so easy then the DC films would be very successful too.

The differences are not irrelevant to the outcomes though.
Of course and people are implicating Kennedy as if she was lacking in ability or qualifications.
Just as with other aspects of Hollywood plenty of people have the talent and put the work in but don't get the breaks.

This has all really never been done before but as discussed in several articles comparing DC and Marvel, of the 3 franchises DC, Star Wars, and Marvel, Feige lucked out with the most marketable of the bunch and a huge past catalog of iterative plot lines from which to pluck the best pieces.

[biglebowski9999]

Originally Posted by ParisDean

I read that too. It's too bad because an Obi-Wan movie seems to be the one fans really want to see.

I wouldn't worry just yet. Collider reported a rumor that they were put on hold and dozens of other media outlets picked that up and reported the same. Nothing has been officially said either way from Lucasfilm, regardless of Gothamite trying to pass it off here as factual.

[Superman_Rules]

Originally Posted by ParisDean

I read that too. It's too bad because an Obi-Wan movie seems to be the one fans really want to see.

It makes perfect business sense to cancel a product that is in high demand because people didn't pay for the product that there was zero demand for. Oh wait...

[biglebowski9999]

Originally Posted by qz33

This has all really never been done before but as discussed in several articles comparing DC and Marvel, of the 3 franchises DC, Star Wars, and Marvel, Feige lucked out with the most marketable of the bunch and a huge past catalog of iterative plot lines from which to pluck the best pieces.

You won't get many people to agree that the B-list characters that Marvel turned into A-listers were more marketable than Batman & Supes. The difference in success is Marvel had a clear plan in place before they began and WB has been playing catch-up ever since without putting the planning/work in, and the difference shows and is sad to see for comic fans.

[Y3E]

Originally Posted by biglebowski9999

You won't get many people to agree that the B-list characters that Marvel turned into A-listers were more marketable than Batman & Supes. The difference in success is Marvel had a clear plan in place before they began and WB has been playing catch-up ever since without putting the planning/work in, and the difference shows and is sad to see for comic fans.

Agreed.

Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman have had exposure on either the silver screen or the small screen and were no strangers to the general public. DC/WB just didn't have good stories or good story tellers.

[qz33]

Originally Posted by biglebowski9999

You won't get many people to agree that the B-list characters that Marvel turned into A-listers were more marketable than Batman & Supes. The difference in success is Marvel had a clear plan in place before they began and WB has been playing catch-up ever since without putting the planning/work in, and the difference shows and is sad to see for comic fans.

Originally Posted by Y3E

Agreed.

Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman have had exposure on either the silver screen or the small screen and were no strangers to the general public. DC/WB just didn't have good stories or good story tellers.

Y'all are too deep into comic lore to see it.
Not talking recognition obviously.

The Marvel movies all have a similar formula but it isn't so plot driven as it is rhythm and tone as The Avengers, Iron Man , Ant Man, Guardians of the Galaxy. Ant Man is basically a poor man's Tony Stark. Guardians a group that plays like a slightly more serious Deadpool.

Batman is basically Iron Man in a different outfit but lacks anyone else much to play off other than an old man or Robin and we know the assumptions an older man too close to an young boy bring up.

The stoic, brooding, loner, of a martyr white guy isn't a note you can pound too many times. It isn't trendy enough to sufficiently appeal to the masses unless it's done just so and hits at just the right time.

Black Panther didn't do so well based on the merits of the film alone.
It's the jokes, the accessibility, the interpersonal interactions. Sarcasm is in man. Personality, sociability, popularity, current social trends. Solo acts aren't in.

These traits don't fit a Superman, Batman, a Goddess (though she is really pretty) or Aquaman as well try as they may to shoehorn them in. Thor works because of the constant jokes at the expense of his stoic godhood and Hemsworth is so trendily handsome compared to Ben Afflek who's a 20 years ago heartthrob.

Everybody so focused on that super serious plot and story. That's for the fans. Getting that silly money is about mass popularity. Like the Fast & Furious movies are awful but hugely popular because they have that humor, silly action, and shared history that people will gawk at for a diversion for a couple hours. Or how the Mission Impossible movies work as old tried as both Tom Cruise and it's formula are.

Here's an example.
https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...han-dc-theory/

Star Wars is even less relatable. That's why they went with Solo. He's the "coolest" guy of that bunch but it just didn't work.

[biglebowski9999]

Originally Posted by qz33

Y'all are too deep into comic lore to see it.
Not talking recognition obviously.

The Marvel movies all have a similar formula but it isn't so plot driven as it is rhythm and tone as The Avengers, Iron Man , Ant Man, Guardians of the Galaxy. Ant Man is basically a poor man's Tony Stark. Guardians a group that plays like a slightly more serious Deadpool.

Batman is basically Iron Man in a different outfit but lacks anyone else much to play off other than an old man or Robin and we know the assumptions an older man too close to an young boy bring up.

The stoic, brooding, loner, of a martyr white guy isn't a note you can pound too many times. It isn't trendy enough to sufficiently appeal to the masses unless it's done just so and hits at just the right time.

Black Panther didn't do so well based on the merits of the film alone.
It's the jokes, the accessibility, the interpersonal interactions. Sarcasm is in man. Personality, sociability, popularity, current social trends. Solo acts aren't in.

These traits don't fit a Superman, Batman, a Goddess (though she is really pretty) or Aquaman as well try as they may to shoehorn them in. Thor works because of the constant jokes at the expense of his stoic godhood and Hemsworth is so trendily handsome compared to Ben Afflek who's a 20 years ago heartthrob.

Everybody so focused on that super serious plot and story. That's for the fans. Getting that silly money is about mass popularity. Like the Fast & Furious movies are awful but hugely popular because they have that humor, silly action, and shared history that people will gawk at for a diversion for a couple hours. Or how the Mission Impossible movies work as old tried as both Tom Cruise and it's formula are.

Here's an example.
https://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...han-dc-theory/

Star Wars is even less relatable. That's why they went with Solo. He's the "coolest" guy of that bunch but it just didn't work.

I think some of your comparisons are a bit of a stretch, but aside from that if the things you laid out about Marvel movies seem to work for audiences what is stopping WB/DC from doing the same? The answer...nothing, other than giving far too much control to Zack Snyder and his "vision." The dude is a complete hack IMO.

They have tried to copy Marvel every step of the way anyway (Avengers is a hit? Better rush our team-up movie! People actually liked Guardians? Here comes Suicide Squad!) so why not "borrow" from their formula?

The comments on Batman make no sense. He has no one to play off of??? No, other than the deepest rogues galley ever. Did the Nolan movies seem to suffer from not having anyone to play off of? And Batfleck isn't even the problem, he has been better than I expected actually. Again, the problem is that other guy who is involved.

PS- Since I disagreed with just about everything you said I will throw you a bone and say the Black Panther comments are dead-on LOL.

[jedi_don]

Originally Posted by biglebowski9999

I wouldn't worry just yet. Collider reported a rumor that they were put on hold and dozens of other media outlets picked that up and reported the same. Nothing has been officially said either way from Lucasfilm, regardless of Gothamite trying to pass it off here as factual.

Collider didn’t report a rumor. While this isn’t official, Collider confirmed this from multiple sources. This not when some rando drops a rumor on Reddit and the internet reports it.

[biglebowski9999]

Originally Posted by jedi_don

Collider didn’t report a rumor. While this isn’t official, Collider confirmed this from multiple sources. This not when some rando drops a rumor on Reddit and the internet reports it.

That's literally the definition of a rumor.

Don't pretend like Collider is Wall Street Journal or NY Times. This is the age of clickbait internet "journalism" where all you have to do is say you have a "source" (not even providing even the remotest of specifics) knowing you will never have to reveal said source and that you will not be held accountable when the rumor is debunked.

And, shockingly, Lucasfilm came out within 24 hours to say it was complete BS. No way.