1/4 scale Barbarian

[Rokdweller]

Originally Posted by ReTardist

I urge someone to get my sculpt in to the hands of a competent painter like Vincente Torres. I plan on on doing this for mine

Mine is in the hands of John Allred. Scheduled to start work in Jan!!! Excited to see his transformation.

[Kriegsfuerst]

It's not a question to choose between a 1:4 scale statue versus a 1:7 scale statue. Usually the smaller version always will loose.
Don't get me wrong guys, I like ARH's interpretation of the Barbarian. But the face of the slave girl is absolutely off. There is no recognition to any of Frazetta's paintings...not even when looking at her with tomatoes on your eyes...
One should think that in a 1:4 scale the details and accuracy of a face should come way better to life than in any smaller scale. Well, wishfull thinking here.

Frazetta has had his own style, when it comes to facial features of his female characters. I don't think I should tell you guys to check out his many artworks, I'm pretty sure most of you are familiar with it. (Well probably somebody should have told the sculptor to do that homework....)



It's like Ted Bundy, one of the U.S. most notorious serial killers. If you check out pictures of his female victims, they all look similar in their lineament.
You will note the same delicately chiseled features in almost all Frazetta's women.

And then there is ARH's interpretation..... I don't see nothing, nada, zero, rien, nichts, not one similarity to any of Frazetta's artworks! And it definitely has nothing to do with a terrible painting job (and yes her paint job is awfull and the greenish make-up is just ridiciulous). But it's the sculpting which just was totally done wrong ! And besides check out a small detail like the flow of the ringlets falling to her forhead: wether accurate nor natural.

[warhead]

Originally Posted by Rokdweller

Mine is in the hands of John Allred. Scheduled to start work in Jan!!! Excited to see his transformation.

Looking forward to see your finished paint up...love Johns work.

[Wombat]

Originally Posted by Great Pheidias

Clay version looks ---- compared to the ARH one. If Frank Frazetta was still alive he would be drooling all over Ehrens slave and lived an extra 10 years of drooling and have a hard on instead of ----ting in his old pants

What the hell is wrong with you?

[Great Pheidias]

Originally Posted by Wombat

What the hell is wrong with you?

nothing is wrong..why? did u get offended?

[Great Pheidias]

Originally Posted by Josh-a-tron

Wow...okay where do I start. Everyone here knows I'm not a huge fan of what ARH did with the Frazetta license, think I've made that clear. However, to sit here and say, not from a subjective standpoint on art, but from an objective look on technical skill, that Moore translate the piece better is a little out of line. First of all, in this painting the slave girl, not nymph, not elf, slave girl, is mostly impressionistic and with reason as to not take away from the main figure, the barbarian. Secondly, her features are mostly hidden by shadow, so to say her eyes should be slanted in someway is your interpretation not Frazetta's, because the only thing you can see is the slight slant of her eye brows, which only means she may be giving a certain facial expression.

From an objective technical critic of the two sculpts the ARH piece has more of the subdued features the painting seems to have and follows what is there, not what might be imagined behind the shadow, this is of course the sculpt only I'm talking about. Also the ARH piece holds more of the realism Frazetta had brought out in the barbarian, where the Moore seems more like the cartoonish drawings Frazetta had done in his early days with magazines and comics.

The paint is another issue entirely, Green Eye Shadow, really? On slave girl laying on freshly killed corpses? right.

I almost gave a ---- at what you wrote..almost

[Wombat]

Originally Posted by Great Pheidias

nothing is wrong..why? did u get offended?

At you being a dbag? Kind of.

[Great Pheidias]

Originally Posted by Wombat

At you being a dbag? Kind of.

am I? oh I'm so sorry then

[Zorglub]

Originally Posted by Kriegsfuerst

It's not a question to choose between a 1:4 scale statue versus a 1:7 scale statue. Usually the smaller version always will loose.
Don't get me wrong guys, I like ARH's interpretation of the Barbarian. But the face of the slave girl is absolutely off. There is no recognition to any of Frazetta's paintings...not even when looking at her with tomatoes on your eyes...
One should think that in a 1:4 scale the details and accuracy of a face should come way better to life than in any smaller scale. Well, wishfull thinking here.

Frazetta has had his own style, when it comes to facial features of his female characters. I don't think I should tell you guys to check out his many artworks, I'm pretty sure most of you are familiar with it. (Well probably somebody should have told the sculptor to do that homework....)



It's like Ted Bundy, one of the U.S. most notorious serial killers. If you check out pictures of his female victims, they all look similar in their lineament.
You will note the same delicately chiseled features in almost all Frazetta's women.

And then there is ARH's interpretation..... I don't see nothing, nada, zero, rien, nichts, not one similarity to any of Frazetta's artworks! And it definitely has nothing to do with a terrible painting job (and yes her paint job is awfull and the greenish make-up is just ridiciulous). But it's the sculpting which just was totally done wrong ! And besides check out a small detail like the flow of the ringlets falling to her forhead: wether accurate nor natural.

I agree. ARH's girl doesn't look like a Frazetta at all.

[wolf-brother]

Originally Posted by Josh-a-tron

Wow...okay where do I start. Everyone here knows I'm not a huge fan of what ARH did with the Frazetta license, think I've made that clear. However, to sit here and say, not from a subjective standpoint on art, but from an objective look on technical skill, that Moore translate the piece better is a little out of line. First of all, in this painting the slave girl, not nymph, not elf, slave girl, is mostly impressionistic and with reason as to not take away from the main figure, the barbarian. Secondly, her features are mostly hidden by shadow, so to say her eyes should be slanted in someway is your interpretation not Frazetta's, because the only thing you can see is the slight slant of her eye brows, which only means she may be giving a certain facial expression.

From an objective technical critic of the two sculpts the ARH piece has more of the subdued features the painting seems to have and follows what is there, not what might be imagined behind the shadow, this is of course the sculpt only I'm talking about. Also the ARH piece holds more of the realism Frazetta had brought out in the barbarian, where the Moore seems more like the cartoonish drawings Frazetta had done in his early days with magazines and comics.

The paint is another issue entirely, Green Eye Shadow, really? On slave girl laying on freshly killed corpses? right.

How can you say the Moore piece is out of line objectively at all when Frank Frazetta was there with Clay Moore.

Originally Posted by warhead

Bottom line with regards to the Slave girl... Moore worked very closely with Frank himself, so we know that it's 100% Franks vision that made it to production.
Ehren did as best as he could without Frank seniors guidance...he probably needed the OK from Arahom and Frank Jr., that's why I think Clay got a lot more things right in the end result.

This man makes sense.