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Old 07-22-2010, 03:54 PM   #11
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Thor dented Cap's shield then he hit it back smooth but he did have the Odinforce when he did it.
But Cap's shield is made of vibranium, not adamantium
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:55 PM   #12
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But Cap's shield is made of vibranium, not adamantium
Agreed. In fact, and someone please clarify this, but I don't think there's any adamantium in Cap's shield.
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:57 PM   #13
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Unless Doomsday reaches down Ultron's gullet and pulls out some wiring, I don't see how he wins...Ultron is indestructible...but Doomsday is too...

Energy weapons, smarts...I still give it to Ultie.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:12 PM   #14
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But Cap's shield is made of vibranium, not adamantium
Cap's shield is stronger than adamantium.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:17 PM   #15
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Agreed. In fact, and someone please clarify this, but I don't think there's any adamantium in Cap's shield.
Correct no adamantium but it's even better.

Destroying the indestructible

As of 2007, the shield has been damaged or destroyed four times within the confines of the Earth-616 continuity. On each of these occasions, the shield was subjected to a cosmically powerful force capable of reshaping matter on a massive scale. Specifically, the powers that affected the shield are:

* The Molecule Man's total control over matter;[3]
* The godlike power of the Beyonder;[4]
* The near-omnipotence conferred upon Thanos by the Infinity Gauntlet;[5]
* The Odinforce wielded by Thor;[6]

[edit] Molecule Man

On the first occasion, the Molecule Man disintegrates the shield, along with Thor's hammer, Iron Man's armor, and the Silver Surfer's board. After he does so, he comments that the board's molecules are "weird", and while there are "odd forces interweaving" among the hammer's molecules, the shield is "weirdest of all". He later reassembles these items, with the exception of the armor, as the electronic circuits are too complicated for him to understand.[3]
[edit] Beyonder

During the Secret Wars limited series, the shield is partially destroyed by Doctor Doom, who has stolen the power of the godlike being known as the Beyonder. Even broken, Rogers is able to wield what is left as an effective weapon, with the shield largely retaining its balance when thrown. When the Beyonder reclaims its power, a temporary side effect grants the desires of the heroes on a small scale (such as allowing the doors in the heroes' base to open to Curt Connors). Rogers uses this "wish effect" to reconstruct the shield.

Later, Rogers loses his shield in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean when he had to make a choice between helping a struggling, drowning Navy officer and rescuing the shield. He uses several replacement shields for some months. A recovery team working for Tony Stark manages to retrieve the shield from the ocean floor, but when it is dropped on the deck of the ship, it shatters into dozens of pieces.

Examining the pieces, Rogers and Stark discover that when Rogers put the shield back together with the Beyonder's energies, a small sub-molecular imperfection was introduced into the vibranium: one solitary molecule was left out of alignment. With each additional impact over the years, the misalignment had spread to neighboring molecules, steadily growing until the molecular bonds of the shield were completely broken down and it shattered. The consequences are far graver, as the shattering of the shield does not stop this chain reaction; the instability continues to grow, creating a vibranium "cancer", a shock wave that is propagating throughout the world, violently detonating any vibranium it finds, from mineral deposits to vibranium used in the construction of ships and equipment. The shock wave is traveling to the Great Vibranium Mound in Wakanda, where the resulting explosion could destroy the world.

To prevent this, Rogers travels to Wakanda with the pieces of the shield taped together, prepared to sacrifice what remains of it in an attempt to absorb the shock wave. The villain Klaw, who is made up of living sound waves, has reached Wakanda ahead of him. Klaw stands in the path of the shock wave, absorbing it himself and increasing his own powers considerably. When Klaw next attacks Rogers, the latter instinctively raises the taped-together shield in defense. When Klaw strikes the shield, his shock wave–augmented power realigns its vibranium molecules and restores the shield, allowing Rogers to defeat Klaw.
[edit] Infinity Gauntlet

During the "Infinity Gauntlet" storyline, Thanos, who possesses relative omnipotence via the Infinity Gauntlet, shatters the shield with a blow of his fist while in combat with Captain America. The shield is soon restored by Thanos' alleged granddaughter, Nebula, when she obtains the Gauntlet and uses it to undo the events of Thanos's temporary godhood, resulting in her erasing the death and destruction that Thanos had caused over the previous 24 hours.
[edit] Thor

During the Standoff crossover between Thor, Iron Man and The Avengers, the shield was dented as a result of an enraged Thor striking it with an Odinforce-empowered blow. After the battle was ended Thor repaired it before ending his membership with the Avengers.
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Old 07-23-2010, 12:51 PM   #16
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I'd have to go with Ultron where he'd find a way to outsmart/disable Doomsday the same way he would the Hulk. Plus he could withstand the punishment Doomsday would dish out while he did so.
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Old 07-23-2010, 01:12 PM   #17
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agreed. if punches are all thet Doomsday offers, he cannot beat Ultron. Could this be a stalemate?
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Old 07-23-2010, 05:51 PM   #18
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Thor dented Cap's shield then he hit it back smooth but he did have the Odinforce when he did it.
Cap's sheild is not made from Primary Adamantium but from a special mixture of vibranium and an experimental alloy. True adamantium was invented by Dr. Myron Maclain in an effect to try and duplicate Cap's shield but instead he got Primary Adamantium. Knowing this Thor as never shattered Primary Adamantium in which Ultron is made from. In fact Thor or any other avenger has never been able to defeat Ultron thru brute force, it always took a plot device to beat him. Doomsday doesn't have plot device to stop Ultron.
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Old 07-23-2010, 05:57 PM   #19
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Cap's shield is stronger than adamantium.
No its not. Cap's shield absorbs impacts far better than adamantium so any knetic force thrown at should be repelled back. True adamantium has no such properties and Cap could not use it as a shield since it would not absorb impact forces and allow such forces to be transferred to the holder of the shield.
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Old 07-23-2010, 11:22 PM   #20
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The circular shield most associated with Captain America made its debut in Captain America Comics #2 (April 1941). A concavo-convex metal disc approximately 2.5 feet (0.76 m) in diameter, it is indestructible and has remained his most constant shield over the decades.

Again through retroactive continuity, it is established that the shield was presented to Rogers by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.[1] The shield is created by a fictional American metallurgist named Dr. Myron MacLain, who had been commissioned by the US government to create an indestructible armor material to aid the war effort. MacLain experiments with vibranium, an alien metal found only in Wakanda that has unique vibration absorption properties.


Captain America vol. 5, #5 (May 2005). Cover art by Steve Epting.During one of his experiments to fuse vibranium with an experimental iron alloy,[2] MacLain falls asleep and awakens to find the experiment a success. This is due to an unknown catalyst entering the process during his slumber, and he is unable to duplicate the result. The vibranium-iron alloy mix is then poured into a mold for a tank's upper hatch to create the disc shape and painted to become Captain America's symbol.

Rogers' indestructible shield was long referred to, even in continuity, as being composed of an adamantium steel-vibranium alloy. This contradicted earlier established continuity, as adamantium steel is only developed after Rogers is revived from suspended animation, during MacLain's later, unsuccessful experiments to try and duplicate the material of the shield. Adamantium steel makes its first appearance in Marvel Comics in Avengers Vol. 1 #66, July 1969.

The adamantium-vibranium error first appears in the Captain America entry in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe (the composition of the shield is accurately described in the adamantium entry as "vibranium-iron") and was propagated in several subsequent stories by writers using the Handbook as a reference. An attempt to correct this was made in Captain America #303–304 (March–April 1985), which establishes that the shield is made of vibranium and an "experimental iron alloy", but that did not prevent the repetition of the "adamantium-vibranium" description over the years.
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