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Old 06-29-2019, 10:24 PM   #41
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I read some of Neal Adams Batman, i have Neal Adam HCs... but i haven't read all of it ofcourse. I painfuly went through the first one... Batman and Superman were playing wheel of fortune while robin and jimmy olsen were stalking them... I was like what the hell just i read, and dropped it. May be i should have just endured and go on, may be 3rd HC was dark... But i don't think it's as imperesive as The Dark Knight Returns or Year One. If you don't like The Dark Knight Returns and Year One, you are no Batman fan. (this is to you Gothamite) Today every new comer's first three stories are TDKR, Year One and Killing Joke and those are cream de la cream of Batman. No new comer goes for Dennis O'Neil stuff. I don't even hear his name anymore (except in here from you, WKTF) Sorry but even if i haven't read them yet, i don't think O'Neil stories are as good as Millers when the stuation is like this.


PS. Superman Year One Issue # 1 is 8 dolars + tax.... :O WTF... I don't pay that much for a single issue... So i didn't get it... Even if I really like Frank Miller. That price is crazy, almost a TPB price for a single issue... :O I may have have got it, if i don't have to pay 100$ as tax for my 4 action figures order... But... That tax just kills the budget, these taxes are killing me... I pay 100$ tax for just 4 1:12 action figures... T_T
Have you read the Dennis O’Neil work with Neal Adams on art? If not, start there in your HC collection. The volumes I have are three separate volumes. I don’t have the one volume omnibus, which collects most of the same content.

The point here is not whether anyone else, especially “new comers” who won’t have enough Batman history under their belts to render a credible historical opinion, mentions O’Neil’s work in the same breath as DKR, Year One and Killing Joke. The point is, there was a dark and grim Batman before Miller’s work, and that the O’Neil/Adams run was the inspiration for Miller’s work. So much so, in fact, that when Miller came to NYC from his home in Vermont, he sought out Neal Adams for him to personally critique and help Miller develop his work before he even broke into the comic book business.

Do yourself a favor, if you really love Batman as you claim, and read the O’Neil/Adams run.

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Old 06-29-2019, 11:12 PM   #42
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Nice. I'm glad that Tom King will complete his story in some way.

Now, DC should totaly restart Batman from issue 1 after issue 85 of Tom King run and bring in Bendis but if Bendis will come, he should quit at least Superman. When he writes so many titles, they say he's not very good... I only read his Daredevil and some of his Ultimate Spider-Man. DD was extraordinary, Spider was good. His DD Run's my favorite Daredevil run. That's why i want him on Batman eversince.
I agree with you. His DD run is 2 or maybe third best. Either way itís rare space. Love his DD. I wonder how cool his Batman would be.

Matt is just really special you know? His Matt side has as much drama as the hornhead side lol
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Have you read the Dennis OíNeil work with Neal Adams on art? If not, start there in your HC collection. The volumes I have are three separate volumes. I donít have the one volume omnibus, which collects most of the same content.

The point here is not whether anyone else, especially ďnew comersĒ who wonít have enough Batman history under their belts to render a credible historical opinion, mentions OíNeilís work in the same breath as DKR, Year One and Killing Joke. The point is, there was a dark and grim Batman before Millerís work, and that the OíNeil/Adams run was the inspiration for Millerís work. So much so, in fact, that when Miller came to NYC from his home in Vermont, he sought out Neil Adams for him to personally critique and help Miller develop his work before he even broke into the comic book business.

Do yourself a favor, if you really love Batman as you claim, and read the OíNeil/Adams run.
Thanks for that Joe, I didnít know that. Interesting!

I still havenít read OíNeil- Adams but Iím about to look for a trade right now! I always thought Batman was corny until Miller. Happy to read some other dark tales.

Also a big fan of Moench and Jones, probably my favorite Bat duo
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Miller made moody Batman so cool, writers cant even get OUT of the Moody Batman business!

I hate the way heís written against Supes. He treats Clark like a d!ck - shouldnít be that way all the damn time
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Old 06-30-2019, 08:00 AM   #45
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Have you read the Dennis OíNeil work with Neal Adams on art? If not, start there in your HC collection. The volumes I have are three separate volumes. I donít have the one volume omnibus, which collects most of the same content.

The point here is not whether anyone else, especially ďnew comersĒ who wonít have enough Batman history under their belts to render a credible historical opinion, mentions OíNeilís work in the same breath as DKR, Year One and Killing Joke. The point is, there was a dark and grim Batman before Millerís work, and that the OíNeil/Adams run was the inspiration for Millerís work. So much so, in fact, that when Miller came to NYC from his home in Vermont, he sought out Neal Adams for him to personally critique and help Miller develop his work before he even broke into the comic book business.

Do yourself a favor, if you really love Batman as you claim, and read the OíNeil/Adams run.
Are you kidding me, i love batman like my father loves my mother on sunday mornings He's my favorite. I will read O'Neil issues, ok.
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Old 06-30-2019, 08:07 AM   #46
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Miller made moody Batman so cool, writers cant even get OUT of the Moody Batman business!

I hate the way he’s written against Supes. He treats Clark like a d!ck - shouldn’t be that way all the damn time
Well, Clark deserves that as a goverment tool in TDKR. All Star Batman though.... All Star Batman was a bad guy with a big ego beating up other bad guys... One of them turned against them All Justice League was like 15 years olds on sugar rush... lol I enjoyed that book though, i laugh out loud when i read it.
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Are you kidding me, i love batman like my father loves my mother on sunday mornings He's my favorite. I will read O'Neil issues, ok.
Good. You claim people who donít love Millerís Batman donít love Batman. Iíd never make the claim that people should love something, but a Batman fan should read the OíNeil/Adams Batman run to experience a pivotal and defining period in the characterís history, when he returned to his roots wan The Dark Knight long before Frank Miller.

And, actually, you also should read Steve Englehart and Marshall Rogersí run, in Detective Comics, which also came before Frank Miller.

This HC volume comes out in January, but you can find TPBs of their work, too:

https://www.amazon.com/Legends-Dark-...g&sr=8-1-spell

Yet another example of how Batman was NOT a joke prior to Millerís DKR and Year One.

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Joe, cant find an O’Neil TPB - the one I really want costs a fortune

Any recommendations?
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Anyone know if there will be a Tom King Batman omnibus? If it happens then I’ll give him a try, mainly because I’m building a Batman library.
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Anyone know if there will be a Tom King Batman omnibus? If it happens then Iíll give him a try, mainly because Iím building a Batman library.
why don't you get the rebirth deluxes ? There will be a Tom King Omnibus (but i'm not sure if it will have Batman&Catwoman run) but you will have to wait for it at least 3 more years or something.
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