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Old 01-12-2025, 12:52 AM   #301
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The second half was taking an interesting turn until that third Steelers possession.

But I totally understand the joy of stress free football. Tomorrow is smooooth sailin. Then I get to watch my game by myself Monday bc it is a school night. Though I must say, the neutral field makes things interesting. LA will be playing for their homeless fans though, which makes them more dangerous.
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Old 01-12-2025, 06:46 AM   #302
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Damn, is that real?
It is!

It's really different being able to kick back and relax this weekend knowing my team is already in the divisional round...could definitely get used to this
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Old 01-12-2025, 01:11 PM   #303
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Somebody needs to tell the Rooneys that it is OK to fire a winning coach when they can’t win the big game. Philadelphia fired Andy Reid (who IMO is the best coach I have seen) because he couldn’t get the Eagles a SB. Turns out it was the best thing for both him and the team.
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Old 01-12-2025, 03:55 PM   #304
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Somebody needs to tell the Rooneys that it is OK to fire a winning coach when they can?t win the big game. Philadelphia fired Andy Reid (who IMO is the best coach I have seen) because he couldn?t get the Eagles a SB. Turns out it was the best thing for both him and the team.
I don't tend to blame coaches much. I never give them too much credit or too much blame. However, I'm starting to get there with Tomlin.

People want to blame him for 'mediocrity'. It's true, the results aren't what we're accustomed to, but he's just illuminating what happens under the current system when you are consistently good - you can't also be consistently great.

Noll came in after years of losing, and had some of, including perhaps the best, draft class ever - which led to SBs. Then he sucked because those teams aged out, which led to Cowher, who was more up and down (Neil and Kordell being only short-term solutions), and got lucky with a deep QB draft that helped him win one. Tomlin has been consistently good, which keeps you in the middle of the draft or lower.

I mean - what exactly happened with Reid (and Belichick)? They got lucky drafting a franchise quarterback. That's all the NFL is - even more so starting in the 2000s with rule changes to hitting the QB and receivers.
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Old 01-12-2025, 05:04 PM   #305
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Somebody needs to tell the Rooneys that it is OK to fire a winning coach when they can?t win the big game. Philadelphia fired Andy Reid (who IMO is the best coach I have seen) because he couldn?t get the Eagles a SB. Turns out it was the best thing for both him and the team.
Yeah ask the Titans today about that. Vrabel was Titans best coach in 20 years. Now he will be in NE while Amy Adams tries to climb out of the toilet.
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Old 01-12-2025, 07:13 PM   #306
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I don't tend to blame coaches much. I never give them too much credit or too much blame. However, I'm starting to get there with Tomlin.

People want to blame him for 'mediocrity'. It's true, the results aren't what we're accustomed to, but he's just illuminating what happens under the current system when you are consistently good - you can't also be consistently great.

Noll came in after years of losing, and had some of, including perhaps the best, draft class ever - which led to SBs. Then he sucked because those teams aged out, which led to Cowher, who was more up and down (Neil and Kordell being only short-term solutions), and got lucky with a deep QB draft that helped him win one. Tomlin has been consistently good, which keeps you in the middle of the draft or lower.

I mean - what exactly happened with Reid (and Belichick)? They got lucky drafting a franchise quarterback. That's all the NFL is - even more so starting in the 2000s with rule changes to hitting the QB and receivers.
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Yeah ask the Titans today about that. Vrabel was Titans best coach in 20 years. Now he will be in NE while Amy Adams tries to climb out of the toilet.
My argument for cutting ties is that players and owners get complacent with mid-tier wins. The Eagles were in the playoffs every year under Andy and never got it done. To change it up, they replaced him and Reid went on to build up Kansas City into who they are now. Reid drafted Kelce, Mahomes, and built that O-line. Reid knows the importance of an O-line and can plug/chug behind it. He happened into a generational QB in Mahomes. Who I really don?t feel is that great, but his line makes him great. If Cousins was behind that line, he would also be collecting rings.

GMs and Owners can also make/break a franchise. Rooneys want to win, but have also won A LOT. Sooo?what does one do? Meanwhile the Krafts are in the mood to get back to business by having Vrabel at the helm. Tennessee doesn?t seem to want to win.

And there is no correlation to WRs and rings. I should know. My team is aces at drafting HoF QBs and have only soul crushing to show for it.
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My argument for cutting ties is that players and owners get complacent with mid-tier wins. The Eagles were in the playoffs every year under Andy and never got it done. To change it up, they replaced him and Reid went on to build up Kansas City into who they are now. Reid drafted Kelce, Mahomes, and built that O-line. Reid knows the importance of an O-line and can plug/chug behind it. He happened into a generational QB in Mahomes. Who I really don?t feel is that great, but his line makes him great. If Cousins was behind that line, he would also be collecting rings.

GMs and Owners can also make/break a franchise. Rooneys want to win, but have also won A LOT. Sooo?what does one do? Meanwhile the Krafts are in the mood to get back to business by having Vrabel at the helm. Tennessee doesn?t seem to want to win.

And there is no correlation to WRs and rings. I should know. My team is aces at drafting HoF QBs and have only soul crushing to show for it.
But see that is the thing, it is all luck as ZenLogikos suggests. Not just the quarterback but every position. What good is a great quarterback with no one that can catch or that keeps getting sacked.
Well luck and money. I will admit I do not know how salary caps work and if every team gets the same or the tricks teams get around it, but money still seems to talk pretty loudly in the game.

Titans want to win but the fanbase is not there so the money is not there. They cannot even give Titans tickets away, they have exhausted their good will from the Music City Miracle, but are still getting a new stadium. So Amy Adams really wants to win but luck has not been on their side. She hired a hustler GM that would not give Vrabel what he wanted. He asked for an O-line but the GM said no receivers. So last season King Henry gets stuffed, does not have production or age to warrant his payday contract and the Titans old QB gets rushed and cannot do anything. She fires Vrabel lets the GM have his way and watches the Team the state of TN just invested 1+Billion in last year have their worst season in 10 years with not even a glimmer of hope. What can the Titans do with the #1 pick? NOTHING! Because as luck would have it no one is available.

Kraft thought Belichick's dynasty would continue without Brady, heck even I did because Brady was so dependent on the NE system and always had a ton of weapons. But it did not. You can bet Kraft would have spent the money if they did not think Brady was going to be Aaron Rodgers level washed up and NE could get along without him. Now maybe with Vrabel they find some luck.

Just look at the Cowboys. Does anyone spend more than Jerry? Not a chance. But they cannot get lucky and have not in a long time.

I guess a lot of what I am getting at is teams should not give in to knee-jerk reactions. It rarely does much good to fire someone without having an idea of who could be better or what else you want to do. Andy Reid is a rare case. I'd say he got luckier than the Chiefs did because most coaches at his point in tenure are put to pasture or flop like fish with a new team. Andy Reid is just that obsessed with football- like Madden level obsessed. Those guys are rare.
Tomlin got the Steelers to the playoffs and usually threatens. No small feat. it can always get worse and once a team has the stink on them it is really REALLY hard to pull back out but at least the Steelers do have a very dedicated fanbase. But I will say the teams with the most longterm invested fanbase rarely stink for too long, Cowboys notwithstanding.
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Old 01-12-2025, 10:57 PM   #308
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But see, I don’t think the Steelers are helped by Tomlin anymore. I really don’t. Just like Andy Reid wasn’t helping the Eagles anymore. Change is OK when you have a solid team - sometimes a new coach is just fine to bring perspective to the pieces.

Reid had won three rings since leaving the Eagles in 2013. The Eagles got their ring in 2017. That’s bc the teams has pieces to win but needed to get past the fear of change.

Look no further than the Lions on how much a coaching change matters. Those boys are living off kneecap soup and moldy bread and would fight a California wildfire for their coaches I’m not sure Tomlin’s locker room would do the same.
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Old 01-13-2025, 12:51 AM   #309
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I think the 'inspiration' you're talking about, Demona, is mostly short-term. Campbell can get away with that for two-three years. And it could lead to a championship. But it's nowhere close to the way the Steelers operate (as I know you know). It's short term thinking. And after a few years, when the honeymoon's over, you're potentially in the same situation.

I'm well aware of that mindset, being a hockey fan. It is FAR more relevant in that sport. It's just the way the culture has developed. Coaches are extremely expendable, and with a smaller group of players on a team - if you lose their confidence/attention, there's not much else the owners can do.

But football has much more turnover, with a much larger roster, and the only one that the HC really needs backing him is the QB.

I dunno. There's always the temptation to think the grass is greener, but I don't think it's true most of the time, and neither have the Steelers. Being the most consistently successful team of the SB era, it's hard for me to think otherwise.

EDIT: And btw, if the Steelers could magically acquire a Mahomes, Allen, or Jackson tomorrow, don't you think they'd immediately be SB contenders for years? With Tomlin? I do. They're constructed well. They're just missing the piece that matters the most. There are only about 6-10 QBs in the league at any given time that can truly compete for a SB.
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Old 01-13-2025, 02:58 AM   #310
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Also so much of the game has been taken to the nth degree luck becomes a larger and larger variable.
There's so much money poured into the analyzing and decision
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