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View Poll Results: Wonderman vs Abomination
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Wonderman
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51.72% |
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Abomination
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44.83% |
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3.45% |
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02-03-2009, 07:17 PM
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#21
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Ultimates
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Philadelphia area
Posts: 9,744
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makkari1
Abomination is stronger than Wonder Man but Simon has greater durability. The both have comparable fighting skills and speed and Wonder Man is slightly smarter. I think Simon will outlast Abomination but he's going to have to fight the best fight of his life to win.
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I don't see it happening. Thats like saying that Simon could beat a normal Hulk. I can't see it happening. You guys are giving him way too much credit IMO, but if we all agreed this place would suck.
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02-03-2009, 07:48 PM
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#22
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Galactus
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Sunrise, FL
Posts: 38,901
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Wonderman ... see, I voted for another Marvel character this week too.
Eesh ... I need a shower now. 
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02-03-2009, 10:50 PM
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#23
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The Flash
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 17,117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HalJordanFan
In fact MU's site states the exact opposite of what some of you are saying. Abom is stronger.
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What site, where? I don't expect proper footnotes but you could at least post a link. I hope you don't mean the power grids because those are seriously flawed and don't correspond to values used in printed material.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Abomination
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wonder_Man
The Abomination has for as long as I've read has always been said to be able to lift (press) approximately 100 tons, but not quite class 100 as he could not routinely lift in excess of 100 tons.
The original OHOTMU had Wonder Man also at 100 tons (greater than Thor's 95) but this was soon uprated to Class 100.
So unless someone can illustrate otherwise Wonder Man is indeed stronger than the Abomination.
As far as the Abomination being stronger than the Hulk, this was only when the Hulk's baseline strength (when calm) was about 70 tons. Since the Abomination started out at 100, he was indeed stronger but only until the Hulk's adrenaline enhanced strength increased past the 100 ton level.
Today, depending on which incarnation of the Hulk, he starts out at Class 100 even when calm.
West Coast Avengers, vol. II, issue 25
Wonder Man got knocked around at first, but it was hardly a long drawn out fight.
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02-03-2009, 11:06 PM
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#24
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Ultimates
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Philadelphia area
Posts: 9,744
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02-03-2009, 11:09 PM
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#25
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Iron Man
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 15,178
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton
What site, where? I don't expect proper footnotes but you could at least post a link. I hope you don't mean the power grids because those are seriously flawed and don't correspond to values used in printed material.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Abomination
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Wonder_Man
The Abomination has for as long as I've read has always been said to be able to lift (press) approximately 100 tons, but not quite class 100 as he could not routinely lift in excess of 100 tons.
The original OHOTMU had Wonder Man also at 100 tons (greater than Thor's 95) but this was soon uprated to Class 100.
So unless someone can illustrate otherwise Wonder Man is indeed stronger than the Abomination.
As far as the Abomination being stronger than the Hulk, this was only when the Hulk's baseline strength (when calm) was about 70 tons. Since the Abomination started out at 100, he was indeed stronger but only until the Hulk's adrenaline enhanced strength increased past the 100 ton level.
Today, depending on which incarnation of the Hulk, he starts out at Class 100 even when calm.
West Coast Avengers, vol. II, issue 25
Wonder Man got knocked around at first, but it was hardly a long drawn out fight. |
See, I thought I remembered Simon being stronger than Abomination! (I can't get to my OHOTMUs right now, so I--probably like HJF--was going by a couple of websites that listed Abomination's lift at 100 tons, with Wonder Man right behind him at 95.
Great WCA panel, too! 
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02-03-2009, 11:10 PM
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#26
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The Flash
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
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Hal,
Are you talking about the power grids?
They're more than a little off. Not reliable.
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02-03-2009, 11:10 PM
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#27
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Ultimates
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Philadelphia area
Posts: 9,744
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Teague
See, I thought I remembered Simon being stronger than Abomination! (I can't get to my OHOTMUs right now, so I--probably like HJF--was going by a couple of websites that listed Abomination's lift at 100 tons, with Wonder Man right behind him at 95.
Great WCA panel, too! |
I just posted from Marvel.com
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02-03-2009, 11:12 PM
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#28
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Ultimates
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Philadelphia area
Posts: 9,744
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton
Hal,
Are you talking about the power grids?
They're more than a little off. Not reliable.
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Why is that if it says "official rating"?
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02-03-2009, 11:12 PM
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#29
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The Flash
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
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02-03-2009, 11:13 PM
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#30
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Iron Man
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 15,178
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HalJordanFan
I just posted from Marvel.com
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Tet's right--the power grids suck. They're a complete cop-out, and way too vague to be useful or interesting, IMHO.
Like I said in my earlier post, though, there is another site out there that shows the lift weights at 100 and 95 tons for Abomination and WM respectively...which is what I was looking at when I conceded that point earlier today.
I do think that there's been some fluctuation in both characters' strength levels though, to be fair.
And I still say Simon takes this. 
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