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11-19-2014, 02:11 AM
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Midnighter
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Australia
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Originally Posted by DynamicMenace
can any one tell me if the battle of the five armies is the same battle that we see at the beginning of LOTR - FOTR?
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No, they're an age apart (3000-ish years).
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11-19-2014, 08:45 AM
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#62
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Yeah, I spend WAY too much time here!
Join Date: Jul 2011
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aahh ok, thanks man.. was hoping to see Sauron.
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11-19-2014, 04:58 PM
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#63
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Martian Manhunter
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Dela-where??
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Am I going to get to see Galadriel being badass?
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11-20-2014, 02:51 AM
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Imperial Guardsman
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Work: Chandrilar Home: Strontia
Posts: 9,163
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DynamicMenace
can any one tell me if the battle of the five armies is the same battle that we see at the beginning of LOTR - FOTR?
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No, it's not. The battle at the beginning of LOTR is called the Battle of Dagorlad. It's the last alliance of Elves and Men, but of course in the cinematic Two Towers, Peter Jackson has Galadrial send an army of elves to the Battle of Helms Deep to fight the orcs with the men of Rohan, which never happened in the book.
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11-20-2014, 03:56 AM
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Kindly Asked To Leave
Join Date: Apr 2007
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A new rumor indicates that the first ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ teaser will play in front of The Hobbit.
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11-20-2014, 10:45 AM
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Yeah, I spend WAY too much time here!
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 17,059
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Originally Posted by Meteor Man
No, it's not. The battle at the beginning of LOTR is called the Battle of Dagorlad. It's the last alliance of Elves and Men, but of course in the cinematic Two Towers, Peter Jackson has Galadrial send an army of elves to the Battle of Helms Deep to fight the orcs with the men of Rohan, which never happened in the book.
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aahh i see. and yeah i should have known that it wasn't the same battle due to Bilbo having the ring.. :duh:
you know what would be really cool? is if they made a movie about that story, about Sauron and how he manipulates the kings and creates the ring. and then have the battle of elves and men. would really love to see Sauron in action through out that battle.
wonder if they would even be able to do that. is there a book for that story?
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11-20-2014, 02:58 PM
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WHITE & NERDY
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 3,367
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Originally Posted by metroid
A new rumor indicates that the first ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ teaser will play in front of The Hobbit.
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that would be awesome
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11-20-2014, 08:26 PM
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S.H.I.E.L.D.
Adamantium Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 7,189
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Originally Posted by DynamicMenace
aahh i see. and yeah i should have known that it wasn't the same battle due to Bilbo having the ring.. :duh:
you know what would be really cool? is if they made a movie about that story, about Sauron and how he manipulates the kings and creates the ring. and then have the battle of elves and men. would really love to see Sauron in action through out that battle.
wonder if they would even be able to do that. is there a book for that story?
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You're looking for the Silmarillion. Less narrative and more encyclopedic though.
Sauron is a chump. Small potatoes. Read about Melkor/Morgoth. He's the "big bad". Sauron is just a disciple.
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11-20-2014, 09:10 PM
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Yeah, I spend WAY too much time here!
Join Date: Jul 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZenLogikos
You're looking for the Silmarillion. Less narrative and more encyclopedic though.
Sauron is a chump. Small potatoes. Read about Melkor/Morgoth. He's the "big bad". Sauron is just a disciple.
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aahhhh, so then there is a whole story behind Sauron..thats cool. would love to see a film about that.
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11-21-2014, 01:24 AM
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Imperial Guardsman
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Work: Chandrilar Home: Strontia
Posts: 9,163
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DynamicMenace
aahhhh, so then there is a whole story behind Sauron..thats cool. would love to see a film about that.
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As Zen Logikos mentioned, Sauron's origin and his early years as Melkor/Morgoth's lieutenant are described in the Silmarillion. Sauron began as a Mair, which is a type of lesser Valar. The Valar were the first spirits sent to Middle Earth by Illuvatar, who is God in the Tolkien mythos, the creator of all things. His first creations mentioned in the Silmarillion were the Valar. They were sent to Middle Earth to be it's guardians and caretakers. One of them, (Melkor) goes bad, and in time he convinces many of the Maiar who were created after the Valar to join him, Sauron is one of them and becomes his chief lieutenant. The Balrog's and Dragon's were other Maiar as well. Another interesting fact is that the Istari, (Wizards) Gandalf, Saruman, and Radagast were also Maiar as well, but they didn't show up on Middle Earth until later, and they chose good instead of evil.
And, having a series of Silmarillion films is one of my fondest desires. I love that book, and a seven movie series would be needed to cover the material to any effective degree. The Silmarillion covers the beginning of creation, the first and second ages, the rise and fall of Numenor, and the beginning of the third age. Even seven films couldn't cover it all, but I think that number would be sufficient to cover the most important aspects. It would be massive and spectacular if done with the kind of care and attention to detail that Peter Jackson has given to the LOTR films, and the Hobbit films. I would love it so much, but unfortunately Christopher Tolkien is upset with all of the films that have been made, and apparently he's not going to allow Jackson to do any Silmarillion films. Hopefully he'll change his mind...
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