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05-08-2017, 01:15 PM
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Phoenix
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Very sensitive & insightful conversation you guys. Am very much enjoying reading all of your opinions on this matter. Food for thought, all of them.
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05-08-2017, 02:18 PM
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#122
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WHITE & NERDY
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The Netherlands
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Quote:
Originally Posted by protector2814
Very sensitive & insightful conversation you guys. Am very much enjoying reading all of your opinions on this matter. Food for thought, all of them.
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I agree, that's why this is the best section on this forum 
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05-08-2017, 03:33 PM
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#123
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Columnist Thunder Mod
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Denver Area, between Asgard and Krypton
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Originally Posted by RichBamf
I totally agree with that, which only furthers my point about decisions based on reason and emotion together.
Similarly, I'm reminded of the conversations years ago when the Bowen Red Skull statue came out and certain fans wanted Swastikas on the sculpt for authenticity.
I said then and I'll say now I will never display anything with a swastika on it in my home. I can appreciate it is 'just a symbol' to many and it means various things to different cultures, but as the grandson of a Jewish woman (even though I wouldn't identify as religious myself), and the grandson of a British soldier that saw Belsen three days after it was 'liberated' and saw the effect it had on my grandfather until he died, I can't in any way condone bringing that into my house.
Maybe that is a passionate, flawed reasoning on my part, but it's something that doesn't feel right to me.
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Your reasoning is passionate but certainly not flawed. My grandmother on my mother's side fled Poland just prior to the Nazi invasion of September 1, 1939 and left her husband behind as he refused to leave. He then chased after her to America only a short time before the Nazi's came in, and their entire family was later wiped out in The Holocaust. I grew up a practicing Jew and listened to my parents and grandparents speak of their departed family, and feel much the same way as you.
Last edited by wktf; 05-08-2017 at 05:08 PM.
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05-08-2017, 03:35 PM
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#124
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Columnist Thunder Mod
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Originally Posted by RichBamf
Joe, believe me my friend, I can appreciate your opinion as a lifetime Cap fan. I think I have a lot more understanding and respect for you and people like RS and Jerry having that reaction simply because you are eloquent and patient enough to explain the reasons why - lets face it when people do that and have valid reasons rational debate is much more rational.
I genuinely don't know how I would feel if one of my favourites got history altered in the same way.
What I never will understand with is the people who soapbox and make a stand. The "I'll never read Marvel again" crowd. These things are always cycles. Comics are way too serialised to not snap back to the status quo.
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Preach away, brother. And thank you for the kind words.
Last edited by wktf; 05-08-2017 at 05:09 PM.
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05-23-2017, 06:51 AM
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#125
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Yeah, I spend WAY too much time here!
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Shockingly...page one!
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What did everyone think about the recent Secret Empire revelation?
Thoughts on what it means? I have my own suspicions which i will put below, obvious spoilers
*********SPOILERS*******************
So with two Caps now, one seemingly having always been good and one always being evil, I think there is a potential explanation.
The Secret Empire Cap's reality is from Dimension Z, and when Cap was pulled back from Z, maybe Kobik brought back not only Cap, but some of the reality itself with him. So reality has been warped and combined based on what she brought back.
This means there are two Caps, one who is essentially a Captain Zolandia version, and one our old trusted and true one.
I'm thinking there might be a combination at the end of the arc, and Cap will be a completely new person.
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05-23-2017, 02:27 PM
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WHITE & NERDY
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: The Netherlands
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*********SPOILERS*******************
Dimension Z was the first thing on my mind too.
And your explanation might work 
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05-23-2017, 05:33 PM
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#127
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Phoenix
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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I liked the issue, even though I still suspect that this whole mini will end up being forgotten & join the other Marvel minis of the past few years in obscurity.
RichBamf, I like your theory. Makes sense w/ issue 2. Wow, this thing gets bleaker & bleaker.
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05-23-2017, 05:53 PM
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#128
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Jedi Order
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Habs Nation
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So Captain America has an evil twin. I can see that as being the plausible explanation for this debacle.
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05-24-2017, 09:18 AM
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#129
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Gen 13
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Where the Sun doesn't shine
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What?! There are two Caps? Dang, I am going have to go to the comic store and get the books.
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05-28-2017, 11:24 AM
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#130
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Yeah, I spend WAY too much time here!
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Joe - Have you read the latest issue yet? Waiting to hear your thoughts on this?
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