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Old 01-31-2018, 12:46 PM   #941
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I understand your frustration but I think it's an extreme point of view.

Rian is a capable director and demonstrated this in his other film Looper.

Taking this series into new territory yet also accommodate the OT characters is no easy task and I think overall Rian did a decent job, hence, why Kathleen Kennedy hired him to write the next trilogy.
I think the writing issue started with how Force Awakens ended. A direct cliffhanger is a tricky challenge for a new writer to take over from. Star Wars has traditionally had time skips between movies to allow shifts in power or character growth to be accommodated.

This makes the issue where all we've seen from start of Episode VII to end of Episode VIII takes place roughly in a two-three week time frame.

How would I have handled it? Probably not to satisfaction of many, but here's my idea.

Subvert expectations by not opening immediately with the title crawl. Do a cold open with Rey and Luke where can establish their relationship jumping off point. Have a dramatic event or line, build the music and...

Fanfare of Star Wars theme as cut to the iconic text crawl. This explains two things. First, how the First Order went from losing Starkiller base to dominating the New Republic and crushing the resistance. Second, how Rey and Luke may have grown in time together as she has developed her skills.
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Old 01-31-2018, 01:31 PM   #942
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Haha!

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Old 01-31-2018, 01:34 PM   #943
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:22 PM   #944
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I understand your frustration but I think it's an extreme point of view.

Rian is a capable director and demonstrated this in his other film Looper.

Taking this series into new territory yet also accommodate the OT characters is no easy task and I think overall Rian did a decent job, hence, why Kathleen Kennedy hired him to write the next trilogy.


I hate generalizations. Specially when people declare their views as the law of the land. For example, quotes like these; "the movie is a disaster", "the movie is garbage", "Rian Johnson killed Star Wars", etc. We all need to learn the value of stating our opinion respectfully. Starting a comment with "I respectfully disagree" or "in my personal opinion" goes a long way. Online etiquette is never out of fashion.
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:15 PM   #945
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Old 01-31-2018, 09:20 PM   #946
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I think the writing issue started with how Force Awakens ended. A direct cliffhanger is a tricky challenge for a new writer to take over from.
I think the story was left wide open and the direction just went over a cliff. They were so adamant on crushing fan theories that they took the plot way off course.

Star Wars fans like predictability but not too much repetition. Star Wars has a recipe.
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:00 PM   #947
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That was awesome and they're making fun of fans like me!

The movie is still garbage though, which is an undeniable fact!

Lolz
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Old 02-01-2018, 08:56 AM   #948
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The movie is still garbage though, which is an undeniable fact!

Lolz
Ignorance is a bliss.
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:25 AM   #949
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I think the story was left wide open and the direction just went over a cliff. They were so adamant on crushing fan theories that they took the plot way off course.

Star Wars fans like predictability but not too much repetition. Star Wars has a recipe.
I will say I think when you make a trilogy you plan it all out for a more cohesive narrative. Changing directors and writers each time leads to shifts that can create division within fans as we see.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:47 AM   #950
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I will say I think when you make a trilogy you plan it all out for a more cohesive narrative. Changing directors and writers each time leads to shifts that can create division within fans as we see.
That's definitely a good and valid point.
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