Am I the only one who would feel it's wierd?

[Noon Draught]

I think the difference between 6 women dancing together vs a half dozen men dancing together is oddly intriguing.

I have a tendency to dismiss the idea that men and women are hardwired that differently. Even if I'm glaringly wrong about that, I am more certain of the human brains ability to overcome nearly any instinctual or hormonal influence, especially when it comes to situations of a social nature.

In regards to dancing, societal influence is an enormous factor. Straight men dancing together in rural USA vs urban US. Generally the urban lifestyle is more accepting of a pack of men getting their groove on, but there are pockets of rural communities that a sausage fest on the dance floor is the norm. Take square or line dancing. I believe there will be entire sets of music where it'll be only men doh-C-dohing. Hasidic Jewish communities have quite a bit of gender separation which is quite normal to them.

It seems that much of Western Europe has a more liberal view then the US as a whole.

If you look at tribal societies that have had little contact or influence from the world at large, my guess would be that you'd see a far greater occurrence of 6 men dancing together and far fewer of the ladies.


If you look at the physical aspects of men and women, I think generally that women are better equipped to dance. Males being genetically prone to greater muscle mass and can lift heavier objects. Most non competitive dancing requires endurance and coordination rather than brute force. Larger muscles limit flexibility and very few people, especially men, take stretching out and limbering your self up very seriously. I know very few women that can't dance well enough to not make fools of themselves. Lots of men, myself included, can't even fake being able to dance when it's needed at weddings and such.

Men are more mathematically competitive thanks to our ancestral role as providers. (the men who brought home the most food lived to reproduce) Dance can certainly be a competitive activity, but it's far more an art than a sport. Judging art is personal preference, but personal preference is hugely influenced by social trends. Women have a keener perception for picking up on social trends thanks to their ancestral role as caregivers. There seems to be far greater occurrences of a couple men getting in a "dance off" and hardly any women who are battling it out on the dance floor.


I wonder how the numbers work out when dance occurs in a non social situation. How many men are closet dancers that will bust a move when they are alone at home? I know I do. Never an entire song, but if I hear something that catches my fancy, or I'm just feeling saucy, I'll cut a bit of rug.


I don't think it's terrible to assume that 6 guys dancing together has a high probability of some to all of the men enjoying the homosexual pursuits. I don't think that it's terrible to think that 6 women wearing padded sporting equipment would give a different reaction. Both those statements are only likely to be true for post pubescent males and females. Most folk wouldn't think twice when seeing 6 grade school boys dancing together or holding hands on field trips and whatnot. If you stumbled upon a pop warner football game there could be a ton of girls out on the field and you'd have no idea until they took their helmet and equipment off. I'm having Metroid flashbacks.

On the flip side, it would be nearly as weird to see 6 eighty year old women shaking their booties in a group as it would seeing 6 eighty year old men swinging their low hanging junk around.

I'm now finding myself thinking that sexual attraction is the big defining issue here. Men have a tendency to be more visually stimulated than women. Women have a tendency to be more physically stimulated than men. Women dancing together may feel a slight enjoyment of the casual touching that occurs in group dance. Men look upon those women and may feel a slight enjoyment on their own. When you reverse it, the men aren't getting much enjoyment from bumping butts with each other and ladies aren't getting all hot to trot seeing the sultry jiggle of beer bellies.



Since I'm having fun with this, I'd like to address the question itself. "Am I the only one who would feel it's weird?"

With 6 billion living humans, the only one of anything is a needle in a haystack.

That aside, I would have asked the question differently. I'd have said, Am I the only one who would think it's weird? If your questioning your feelings on an issue, I'd think that the answer your looking for might not be very simple. The phrasing seems like your looking for one of two answers.

1. No, it's perfectly normal for a heterosexual to feel homophobic. Just try not to think on it too much cause it might make you feel bad to know that you have very little control over your own reaction to things.

2. It's cool dude. Those feelings are very normal when your unsure of your own sexual desires. Most everyone experiments with those kind of feelings at points in their life, whether they care to admit it or not. There's no right or wrong, just different shades of gay.


So as to not be singling out the original poster, here's some quips about some of the replies.

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"God made men and women that way.

A woman's body can move in many ways and will most often be hot. Men were made to just stand still and appreciate how the women looked."

I'm not touching the first line.

If you like women, a still picture can get yea just as heated up. Heck, I'd guess far more men would get far more excited looking at a naked chick sleeping than watching a naked chick dancing. It's all about where you mind goes after taking in the sights. Men were made to want to have sex. If standing still and watching yields good results for you, I've been doing something way wrong.
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"I'd only feel weird if I wasn't invited."

With the kind of sculpted body your sporting, it would be weird if you weren't invited.

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"Its weird if it were a bunch of men... unless you were in a gay bar..."

Good point. I'm pretty sure the Colorado Health Care Association used to be called the RamRod but they had to change the name because there were in too close a proximity to a school

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"And that is why most men love multiple women in porno scenes, b/c to us, it just doesn't seem weird, the woman on woman thing"

I'm probably the exception that proves the rule, but once I got old enough that just seeing a nude women didn't blow mind amongst other things, there's very few all women scenarios that turn me on. It would be like watching baseball played without a bat or balls. All of a sudden I start trying to figure out if the catcher's mitt is more interesting because it's different, or are the regular gloves the way to go cause the catchers mitt is kinda bulbous due to the pounding it takes.

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'There's two bulls standing on top of a mountain. The younger one says to the older one: "Hey pop, let's say we run down there and f*ck one of them cows". The older one says: "No son. Lets walk down and f*ck 'em all". '

This joke has always bothered me. I don't know if it's because the father seems like a lazy pervert who has no issue fornicating along side his son or perhaps the likely hood that the son's mother and 1/2 sisters are there and future offspring will be lucky if they are just born with a superfluous udder.

Might be fun if the older one added the line, "and remember, if they're still chewing their cud, they got no issue with what your doing to them"

Perhaps the older one could have said, "No son. Let wait until it's about to rain. You can do anything you want with them and they'll just lay there cause they don't like laying in a wet spot."
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"All men look gay dancing, unless your Christopher Walken.

Personally I would rather chew broken glass."

Damn, the possibility that Walken was gay never even crossed my mind until I saw him dance. Now almost every role and or scene I see him in has underlying gay tones. Chicken and poached pears. That uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass. Even as the cowbell loving gold record producing Bruce Dickerson.
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I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
Oscar Wilde

[nbr3bagshotrow]

Well that was a lot of thought put into it.

I just thought it would be wierd.

[nbr3bagshotrow]

Originally Posted by Noon Draught

2. It's cool dude. Those feelings are very normal when your unsure of your own sexual desires. Most everyone experiments with those kind of feelings at points in their life, whether they care to admit it or not. There's no right or wrong, just different shades of gay.

Mrs Hobbit is very sure of my sexual desires!verjoyed:

[Noon Draught]

It was a cool thing for me to put some thought into, particularly because there have been many points in my life that I've had the desire and or the time was well suited to re-evaluate my own sexual desires, and this happens to be one of them.

My ladyfriend and I are parting ways and for the first time in my life I am going to be completely on my own. In my 36 years, the first 20 were spent living at home or college and the next 16 with my wife. I had all of 1 summer without a female that loved me and often reminded me of that fact. This may sound silly, but I have no idea how that might effect me. So much of my confidence in myself, in life and the world we live in are tied to the unwavering love that I was lucky enough to take for granted.

I'm afraid that missing that feeling will push me into another relationship as soon as the possibility arises. I'd rather not start in on a life with someone simply because I'm lonely. More importantly, I would like to use the only sure thing that the 36 year old Noon has going for him that the 20 year old Noon didn't. The wisdom that comes from 16 more years of failures, successes and experiences that the jury is still out on. Knowing that however long I'm going to remain a living member of society, I know it's 16 less years that that 20 year old Noon was going to get to. I have less to offer in quantity, but the original packaging is still here, even though it's dinged up and will never have that new toy smell again.

You've mentioned Mrs Hobbit a few times that I've read and your using her to to establish your own sexuality is something that I've grown very used to and happy from my time as a married man. I mentioned the way being loved has been a positive influence in my life, but being an intangible element of life, it;s still just a question for me to think about down the line. A very real and immediate concern is the way my sexuality and sexual confidence has been linked with my ex for what seems like my entire life. In my mind I am thrilled to experience and enjoy sexual situations with someone that I can surprise and delight without having to constantly reinvent myself. I'm not even sure if I can be a creative lover with someone when there isn't a baseline type situation to both be improving on and falling back to when an idea flops like a bad pun. ( I said Pun)

I'm sorry about being so preachy and arrogant last week with my post. I have a tendency to change my expectations and willingness to give my opinion based on past situations that aren't always as cut and dry in reality as they are in my mind.

Forums and semi public posting areas are always a place that I've used to debate issues and voice opinions that I'd never get to in my day to day life.

The reason the topic of 6 straight men dancing struck me a something that I wanted to chime in on is somewhat embarrassing for me to say at this point, because I am quite possibly off my rocker wrong, and because it deals with the common interests that have gathered together this very online forum/community. I've had a couple of un-enjoyable encounters with comic book/fantasy/sci-fi fans both online and at fan gatherings that left a bad taste in my mouth.

Part of my issue is that I did and still do to a certain extent, feel that people with backgrounds, tastes and interests that are similar to my own have always been inherently more open and accepting of people. There are a myriad of reasons that this might be true, Intelligence and appreciation of intelligence in others. Loyalty to friends and family that isn't the kind of mindless group mentality that some folk share, nor is it a fair weather kind of loyalty that only truly exists when there is something to be gained by it. A willingness to accept and enjoy the differences between people and the tastes and characteristics that define who a person is.

Qualities like those could have gotten me into needlework or competitive eating, but the great thing about growing up small town pre-internet is that it was the enjoyment of the fiction and the art work and the ideas that drew me in The quality people just happened to share my interests was the icing on the cake.


These few instance, all from the last 5 years or so, gave me quite a chip on my shoulder. The types of comments that certainly weren't horrendous or even very insulting or hurtful, nor were they specifically directed at anyone with intentions of causing despair, If I had heard the like walking down a busy street, I'd dismiss out of hand and never miss a step. I just couldn't believe that my people, the people that I found so enlightened in regards to ethnicity, body types, handicaps, and really most anything that makes us us. That these people, my people, should have such a narrow minded and weak willed opinions on sex and sexuality just blew me away.

Of course I am small minded as well in thinking that any group of people should be though of using any kind of blanket statement. I make it a point to judge individuals as individuals. Even though I may characterize people in my mind as having similar qualities, mannerisms or appearances, they aren't the type of thing that I would ever point out, draw attention to or be judgmental of. In some circumstances humor and playful banter comes about amongst friends or with someone that is very open about themselves and the way they feel they are perceived by others. Fantastic. Humor can be found nearly anywhere you look and there is very few things funnier than an edgy subject turned on itself and made light of. Kind of like the pain/pleasure sensations of S+M, localized entirely in your funny bone.


There was no joking nature that I could pick up on with my bad experiences. The best thing I could say is that the nature of the comments made me think that they came more from a lack of exposure to to world and the wonderful variety of nearly everything that surrounds us. I also think that when someone has very little outlet for their own expression, they are more inclined to turn on others who are able to express themselves freely. When its a group of groups of individuals that are being crude and disdainful of others, there's often just a few who are really small minded enough and attention seeking enough to make it easier for the others to join in. I think all of these cases might apply, but I don't know for sure.

I might be part of the problem. I only decided to get involved and share my opinions in one of the cases, and I still don't know what I thought I really might achieve by getting involved.


Well anyhoo, anyone with the patience to have read this to this point I should apologize to. Not that time spent reading through a post is anywhere near the time involved with thinking out and trying to coherently write it. When it's more of a thinker than a entertainer, the wording alone takes me freakin forever. If done poorly, at very least makes it me look like a douche bag, but I'm always fearful that I might end up causing more harm than good. Animosity for preachy folk is one of the things I love about most people and the subject matter they are preachy about. I hope that I don't sound that way in your mind while you read this, and if I am go back and give it a re-read but try to replace any or all of the key words with their antonym.


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[Primal]

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