Joker (2019). **** WARNING SPOILERS ALLOWED ****

[jedi_don]

I don’t believe the theory that all of it was imagined and he was institutionalized the entire time. If that was true, when he imagines he is in the Murray show, that would be a fantasy in a delusion. And it hasn’t been since Sucker Punch where I’ve seen a director pulled that kind of nonsense.

At first I thought that his entire his appearance on the Murray show as Joker was all fantasy and that maybe in actuality all Fleck did was shoot Murray. But then we see news channels all showing the incidence as we the audience saw it. All of Fleck’s fantasy all seemed to be from a first person perspective as with Fleck’s relationship with Zazzie’s character.

[junta]

I, for one, don't need this Joker to be in other films for me to appreciate the one he's in.

Bravo, DC and WB for a great movie.

[Augen]

I know it isn't for everyone, but after seeing so many interpretations I found Phoenix to be a distinct take on the character. The scene where he doesn't understand comedy like the rest of the audience was brilliant.

I was worried at a time where it was going at one point. Then it played out in a manner that felt true to the gritty, unhinged, raw aesthetics and tone of the film.

One thing was I heard people were disturbed by violence and it wasn't that violent a film to me. The violence is brief, and shocking because it feel more grounded.

I think the studio took a big chance making a major character in a mid budget film that felt like it came out forty years ago. Based on box office we may get more of these one off sort of "DC Black" type films to cater to R rated crowd.

[Augen]

Originally Posted by junta

I, for one, don't need this Joker to be in other films for me to appreciate the one he's in.

Bravo, DC and WB for a great movie.

Imagining this year's "Shazam" and this "Joker" in the same film would be the most jarring juxtaposition I can imagine.

[Gothamite]

I thought it worked extremely well as a straight drama. Only thing I didn't like was the music score, which tried to make almost every moment feel like an action scene.

[Agent23]

Originally Posted by Gothamite

I thought it worked extremely well as a straight drama. Only thing I didn't like was the music score, which tried to make almost every moment feel like an action scene.

Wow. I liked the music a lot. I thought it was creepy and set the tone.

[supermetroid]

Amazing performance from Phoenix, you really felt his pain. Got a few good laughs with the little person scenes and a good chuckle with the "Wayne's a fascist" sign, reminds me of Antifa lol

[supermetroid]

So do ya'll think Thomas Wayne is actually the father? I guess the picture with the note from TW leaves it possible but could be written from Arthur's "mother" with her delusions or seen by Arthur's own delusions. I guess Thomas would've had to fake the Arkham hospital records too but it's possible.

[Gruson]

I didn’t think I would like it based on the previews but I loved it!!! I really want this Joker in future DC films.
Great movie that kept you interested from beginning. Best Actor award for sure.
Plus that laugh! 😃

[Augen]

Originally Posted by supermetroid

So do ya'll think Thomas Wayne is actually the father? I guess the picture with the note from TW leaves it possible but could be written from Arthur's "mother" with her delusions or seen by Arthur's own delusions. I guess Thomas would've had to fake the Arkham hospital records too but it's possible.

Part of the film is open completely for interpretation. What is real in a story with an unreliable narrator with mental health issues?

So, the answer is possibly yes or no, makes for some fun discussion. My thinking is he is not related to Wayne, but shows how some people such as his adopted mother in the system venerate their "betters" to not come to terms with their lives.