JND Studios: 1:3 Catwoman - Tim Burton's 1992 Batman Returns.

[Silas Loki]

Originally Posted by ukshaun

Because of the price point, a high price, i will never pick up another JND piece. I do not mean this negatively, it is my reality.
Owning 2 JND pieces is enough

So, IF JND made a figure of a character that you really wanted, and let's imagine you had no complainants....the likeness is on point, pose is perfect, outfit is completely accurate, etc......BUT! It was the same old high price that JND charges - you'd just miss out?

I mean, imagine this is THE BEST version of this character, hands down - this is the one.....would you really sit out, or buy a lesser version because it was cheaper?

[ukshaun]

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

So, IF JND made a figure of a character that you really wanted, and let's imagine you had no complainants....the likeness is on point, pose is perfect, outfit is completely accurate, etc......BUT! It was the same old high price that JND charges - you'd just miss out?

Correct.

There is one option. Sell off part of my 1/4 collection to fund JND pieces.
This would result in a smaller collection. Maybe that would be a bad thing.
I would have a hard time working out what to let go.

[Silas Loki]

Originally Posted by ukshaun

Correct.

There is one option. Sell off part of my 1/4 collection to fund JND pieces.
This would result in a smaller collection. Maybe that would be a bad thing.
I would have a hard time working out what to let go.

Far be it from me to question your choices.

For me, quality will always trump quantity. If I was in a hobby or interest, where finances limited my ability to obtain the "best" expression available - I'd be out and finding something else to focus on.

I'd rather spend nothing then surround myself with cope and second rate products.....even if that meant selling huge parts of my collection to fund fewer, higher quality pieces....

[Phoenixblazes]

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

Far be it from me to question your choices.

For me, quality will always trump quantity. If I was in a hobby or interest, where finances limited my ability to obtain the "best" expression available - I'd be out and finding something else to focus on.

I'd rather spend nothing then surround myself with cope and second rate products.....even if that meant selling huge parts of my collection to fund fewer, higher quality pieces....

I believe most of us are limited by finances and definitely choose to buy whatever we believe we can afford and stay in this ridiculous hobby.

Hypothetically speaking, if JND were the best, and everyone followed your philosophy everyone would be buying them, but obviously that’s not the case.

We have collectors buying only 1/6 scales figures or statues, or 1/4 scales statues. Heck we have collectors here who have downgraded to smaller scales such as 1/10 scale in order to stay in this hobby. Rather than buy one perfect piece for the same amount, many would instead choose to buy 2, if not 3 other good to great statues.

Hell as an extreme example, many recognise that the Queen 1/3 Hulk is possibly the best licensed MCU Hulk ever produced, but come on, most believe the piece is way overpriced and/or beyond their available means. In the same way that many feel that is overpriced, many also feel that every JND piece is also overpriced. Or Prime 1, or Queen. There are many who buy only Sideshow, because that’s all they can afford. Or maybe Iron Studios. The list goes on.

Most of us are limited by what we can best afford, it’s just a way of life.

[Silas Loki]

Originally Posted by Phoenixblazes

I believe most of us are limited by finances and definitely choose to buy whatever we believe we can afford and stay in this ridiculous hobby.

Hypothetically speaking, if JND were the best, and everyone followed your philosophy everyone would be buying them, but obviously that?s not the case.

We have collectors buying only 1/6 scales figures or statues, or 1/4 scales statues. Heck we have collectors here who have downgraded to smaller scales such as 1/10 scale in order to stay in this hobby. Rather than buy one perfect piece for the same amount, many would instead choose to buy 2, if not 3 other good to great statues.

Hell as an extreme example, many recognise that the Queen 1/3 Hulk is possibly the best MCU Hulk ever produced, but come on, most believe the piece is way overpriced and/or beyond their available means.

Most of us are limited by what we can best afford, it?s just a way of life.

I think you're taking my statement out of context. Ukshaun said he'd never buy JND again because of money.....I created a hypothetical scenario which challenged the "never" in his statement.....which lead to my comments regarding quality over quantity.

We often complain about money, and there's no doubt that these figures are expensive items....but overpriced? Technically everything is overpriced if it's not a necessity for survival.....we don't need these figures, we don't have to buy these figures, so NOT buying something that meets your ideals of quality, because you can't afford it - is fair enough - but not buying it, and allocating the same amount of money to something of a lesser quality (but you can buy more of) - is stupid (IMHO).

This doesn't have anything to do with scale, format or brand - it's up to the individual to decide what the like, and what they want to collect. If that's 1/6, 1/10, or 1/4 - doesn't matter, as long as you're putting your money into the highest quality products in your chosen area of collecting.

[PivotRyder]

A JND Batfleck is on the way per Daniel to complete the line later this year.

[Phoenixblazes]

Originally Posted by PivotRyder

A JND Batfleck is on the way per Daniel to complete the line later this year.

This is either good news or bad news. If I end up preordering a possible JND Batfleck, that will induce me to possibly getting their Cavill Supes too.

Unfortunately, sometimes I fall prey to a must collect them all mentality, and I’ll feel the need to get a piece I wasn’t totally happy with in order to complete the Trinity Set. I have the 1/6 Hot Toys ones, and the 1/3 and 1/2 scales versions from Prime 1. This could very well be my 4th one.

[Shoo]

Ah, another regular dose of grumpy Silas negativity - the yin to Divo's yang when it comes to Sideshow.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

Wiki figures is a "brand ambassador" - he was even given access to, and a grand tour of JND studios. If you really think he's impartial, and not getting (at least) favourable access to JND products.....then I don't know what to tell you.

Yes, as I said, the very fact that he, as a youtuber with access to their ins and outs, was allowed to make those remarks after --again-- seven months since the Catwoman statue was finished, does lead me to believe that we are going to see new Burton pieces, indeed.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

I think those things alone might inspire him to make comments that would attract potential buyers.

Yeah, like they needed any more potential buyers.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

The reasons you provide for all those licenses not seeing additional love, are all valid - that's not my point. My point is, WHEN those pieces were released, there were specific statements and undeniable hints that companion pieces would be made....regardless of why they didn't happen, they still didn't happen.

I'm not saying that isn't true, but I honestly don't remember any single instance of them doing so. Care to refresh my memory?

Every time there have been insinuations about a certain character being made, those have come from a certain member here who has proved time and again to have privileged information, too, and every time he's been right.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

I think you're being disingenuous if you really believe people aren't buying certain JND characters with the expectation / hope that other characters from the line will be made.....in fact, it's not just disingenuous, it's ignorant - all you need to do is go spend 20mins on the JND collectors FB page, and you'll see message after message begging JND for one or another character to be made - specifically from licenses they already hold, but haven't exploited.

I, on the other hand, think it's you who are being disingenuous to pay any attention to all the requests that lots of excited menchildren throw on a daily basis over there to see what sticks. (Yes, I do read those comments too, so "ignorance" isn't quite accurate.)

Like I said, other than very few collectors such as Ronny Stark over there (and our PhoenixBlazes ), it's just not realistic to expect that lots of people will put their money where their mouths are to try and complete any potential "lines".

In sum, I do believe that most people approach these releases as a one-and-done deal. If a companion piece should turn up later, that's just gravy - in that case, those first buyers may re-evaluate and do the numbers to see if they can afford that one, too.

I'll give you the hope for an Affleck Batman for those who already invested in Gadot and Cavill - not that they bought Gadot in the first place with the certainty they would see a trinity, though. But to think people actually buy a JND piece only because they expect companion pieces will come? Nope, I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

We often complain about money, and there's no doubt that these figures are expensive items....but overpriced? Technically everything is overpriced if it's not a necessity for survival....

No, come on. Just because you don't need something "for survival" doesn't mean it cannot be overpriced. "Overpriced" just means something is priced much higher than it should be, considering manufacturing costs and a reasonable benefit margin.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

.we don't need these figures, we don't have to buy these figures, so NOT buying something that meets your ideals of quality, because you can't afford it - is fair enough - but not buying it, and allocating the same amount of money to something of a lesser quality (but you can buy more of) - is stupid (IMHO).

You're assuming people will do that and get stuck with something they're not happy with. But they may be perfectly satisfied with a cheaper option, IF that's what they go for. Or they may allocate the same amount or less to a completely different product that they also love and which they don't consider overpriced (even if they can't eventually eat said product for survival). Or they can simply decide not to spend any money on any of this stuff and get something else instead, be it a necessity or an entirely different whim. Who knows what anyone's internal reasoning might be?

As usual, I think you're reading too much into other people's behavior and, above all, you care too much about it.

[Silas Loki]

Originally Posted by Shoo

Ah, another regular dose of grumpy Silas negativity - the yin to Divo's yang when it comes to Sideshow.

Grumpy?......ok.

Originally Posted by Shoo

Yes, as I said, the very fact that he, as a youtuber with access to their ins and outs, was allowed to make those remarks after --again-- seven months since the Catwoman statue was finished, does lead me to believe that we are going to see new Burton pieces, indeed.

I don't see your point.....he's clearly not just some random YouTuber with an opinion....and he's most likely invested in JND products doing well.....what's so confusing about that?....

Originally Posted by Shoo

I'm not saying that isn't true, but I honestly don't remember any single instance of them doing so. Care to refresh my memory?

Daniel has said in a previous video that Aquaman is coming, he also hinted at other characters from LotR.....

Originally Posted by Shoo

Every time there have been insinuations about a certain character being made, those have come from a certain member here who has proved time and again to have privileged information, too, and every time he's been right.

Agreed - and that's not the topic of discussion....

Originally Posted by Shoo

I, on the other hand, think it's you who are being disingenuous to pay any attention to all the requests that lots of excited menchildren throw on a daily basis over there to see what sticks. (Yes, I do read those comments too, so "ignorance" isn't quite accurate.)

Do you read your own comments? I was literally responding to your point that - in your opinion - nobody is buying JND pieces with any expectation or hope that companion pieces will be made - clearly the comments on the FB page don't support your belief......

Originally Posted by Shoo

Like I said, other than very few collectors such as Ronny Stark over there (and our PhoenixBlazes ), it's just not realistic to expect that lots of people will put their money where their mouths are to try and complete any potential "lines".

What?! - so you're now the authority on how people collect, and what they will spend their money on......well, apologies, I didn't realise I was communicating with the god of collecting

Originally Posted by Shoo

No, come on. Just because you don't need something "for survival" doesn't mean it cannot be overpriced. "Overpriced" just means something is priced much higher than it should be, considering manufacturing costs and a reasonable benefit margin.

With all due respect - are you serious? Really? So you actually believe that luxury goods are priced according to some "fairness" scale? That profit margins are regulated and capped to within a fair and equitable value?

If JND is overpriced, tell me - how much should they be charging? What's the magical value they should be charging that would cause you to say they're charging a fair price? Please, back up your numbers.....because this education would be extremely valuable for every collector - everywhere!

Originally Posted by Shoo

As usual, I think you're reading too much into other people's behavior and, above all, you care too much about it.

Oh the irony.....yes, I can see you have no issue identifying your own character flaws in others.....

[Shoo]

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

I don't see your point.....he's clearly not just some random YouTuber with an opinion....and he's most likely invested in JND products doing well.....what's so confusing about that?....

He's a youtuber who will review products from every brand, be it luxury stuff or much more modest. Whether he's invested or not in JND products doing well is purely your speculation. I just think he's infatuated with what JND produce because he does like their product, and the fact that he has contact with them only helps him like them more - as well as give us hints as to what to expect.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

Daniel has said in a previous video that Aquaman is coming, he also hinted at other characters from LotR.....

Hm, now that you mention Aquaman, it may have been the case. But, did that happen at the time of Mera's release? Or was that after it sold out?

At any rate, and this goes for both Aquaman and LOTR...

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

WHEN those pieces were released, there were specific statements and undeniable hints that companion pieces would be made....regardless of why they didn't happen, they still didn't happen

Do you really expect that any company will release something from a line that has seemingly bombed? This is not a final volume in a comic-book arc, these are expensive things to produce and these guys are not in it to lose money.

Having said that, isn't it a bit too soon to say no more.pieces from LOTR are being produced as we speak?

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

Agreed - and that's not the topic of discussion....

Of course it is. We are talking about rumors about new characters to follow and the nature of those. By your own logic, I take it our fellow member is also "invested in JND products doing well".

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

Do you read your own comments? I was literally responding to your point that - in your opinion - nobody is buying JND pieces with any expectation or hope that companion pieces will be made - clearly the comments on the FB page don't support your belief......

I'm perfectly aware of what I post. And post that you shouldn't pay that much attention to those comments I did. That is my belief indeed, and it's a realistic one - money doesn't grow on trees.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

What?! - so you're now the authority on how people collect, and what they will spend their money on......well, apologies, I didn't realise I was communicating with the god of collecting

Read my latest sentence above, and the entirety of the last paragraph on my latest post, for that matter - I said "Who knows what anyone's internal reasoning might be?" I don't, and neither do you. I guess that makes us both not gods.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

With all due respect - are you serious? Really? So you actually believe that luxury goods are priced according to some "fairness" scale? That profit margins are regulated and capped to within a fair and equitable value?

Who said anything about "fairness" or "equitable"? There's an overhead cost for everything and then a "reasonable" benefit margin. Keyword being "reasonable", which is something every person will judge individually. If someone has a good idea of what it costs to produce these and thinks JND stuff is reasonably priced, maybe by comparison, good for them. If they think it's not, they most likely will not buy, period. These are indeed luxury products, and it's up to everyone to act accordingly.

Originally Posted by Silas Loki

If JND is overpriced, tell me - how much should they be charging? What's the magical value they should be charging that would cause you to say they're charging a fair price? Please, back up your numbers.....because this education would be extremely valuable for every collector - everywhere!

... You do realize I never said they were overpriced, do you?