Can Juggernaut Move Thor's Hammer?

[Justin]

Originally Posted by isculpt

Zeus was owned by Ares in the tpb, so I am pretty sure Juggy can defeat him easily, Odin, I am unsure about cause I never really read about him. Also, in WWH, Hulk was able to outlast even the sentry, and even got past Juggy in like 3 pages. I am not saying it would be a clean cut victory but Hulk is as everlasting as Juggy is. I think Juggy can force lift it as Hulk should be able to as well.

That was an incredibly diluted version of Juggy because he was fighting on the side of the angels Cyttorak has taken most of his power but after getting that beat down from Hulk Cyttorak came to Cain and said if he wanted his full power back he need to go back to being his engine of destruction. Cain took up the offer

[Bob Aboey]

STOP THE MADNESS!!! Actually, don't. This is funny.

OK, where do I start...

Originally Posted by Makkari1

Surely you jest in saying that Juggernaut can beat Lord Odin or Lord Zeus. Juggernaut is a mere shadow of Cyttorak's power just as Mjolnir is of Odin's power. It would fair to compair Odin to Cyttorak not Odin to Cyttorak's lacky. Juggernaut will fall hard to either Odin or Zeus.

That's quite an over-simplification, don't you think? Mjolnir is a trinket of Odin's, where The Juggernaut is the embodiment of the rage and fury of a god. Where do you get that he's only a mere shadow of Cyttorak's power, or that he's Cyttorak's lacky? I'll put Juggernaut against Odin, who has become Marvel's perpetual hostage against the Irresistible Force of the MU quite comfortably. Zeus? Like I said earlier: show me how he's different from Odin, besides being Greek, and we'll talk.

Originally Posted by Makkari1

So you believe that the power that Cyttorak gives Juggernaut is greater than the total power Odin has, please provide proof of this. To Cyttorak, Juggernaut is just an avatar which is a shadow of the real thing.

Please provide proof I'm wrong. Reliable proof. Nothing in the last 5 years count... just ask Spider Man.

Originally Posted by HalJordanFan

Well put another win in Jug's column from me.

If he's written properly than IMO he's more dangerous that Odin and Zeus. He's COMPLETLY resistant to their attacks. They literally can do nothing to him other than pissing him off. Odin is IMO given way too much respect from some members here and Jug's isn't given enough.

Couldn't say it better myself, so I won't try.

Originally Posted by hawkeyethearcher

this works for the blob as far as i am concerned.juggs would rip a huge chunk of ground out and pull that with the blob. thors hammer doesnt attach to the ground. it just cant be moved by anyone that is not worthy. it is a mystical ability that keeps it in place not an aura that attaches it to its surroundings. juggs cant pull it. any chain would break between him and the hammer. now a chain made by odin magic would not break and juggs little wimp butt would lose to any odin power every day.

I'd really like to lean into you for your absurd lack of respect to Juggy, but you're a Raiders fan and you clearly have other things on your mind. You're excused this time.


Juggernaut is immortal. No need to breath, eat, poop, or anything trivial so long as he's bonded with the gem. This is Canon, despite whatever asinine shortcuts Joe Q. decides to take to put another character over.

Could Juggernaut blink someone out of existence? No. Could Cyttorak's power prevent him from being blinked out of existence? Why not? Can Odin manipulate matter or some such something? Sure. Can Cyttorak's power prevent Juggernaut's being from being manipulated as such? It would be foolish to think otherwise. Listen, I get that when he faces off against Superman he's gotta do the job because writers are largely unimaginative and cowardly lately. But that doesn't erase history, which dictates he is infinitely more powerful than many of those who he has done the job for over the years.

To suggest Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Wolverine, Colossus, Thing, or any other powerful mortal (or less-than-Cosmic) being would provide anything more than an irritant for THE UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT is illogical. It is equally illogical to think that an immortal, endowed-with-god-like-powers entity like Juggernaut would have any trouble using Mjolnir to pick the left-overs of his most recent butt-stomping from the tread on his boots.

Ditka, yes. Not Odin or Zeus.

[Makkari1]

Originally Posted by isculpt

Zeus was owned by Ares in the tpb, so I am pretty sure Juggy can defeat him easily, Odin, I am unsure about cause I never really read about him. Also, in WWH, Hulk was able to outlast even the sentry, and even got past Juggy in like 3 pages. I am not saying it would be a clean cut victory but Hulk is as everlasting as Juggy is. I think Juggy can force lift it as Hulk should be able to as well.

Lately Zeus has been played down to the point where Mikoboshi has fatally wounded him. Zeus was not trying to fight Ares but back when Zeus was in his prime power had wipe the floor with anyone below Skyfather level. Zeus has taken on all the Avengers (including Hercules & Thor) and whipped them easily.

Odin is peer of Galactus at his peak and IMO is more powerful than Juggernaut's master Cyttorak yet you think to compair Odin to Cyttorak's avatar Juggernaut. How can Juggernaut even compair to Odin. Hulk is definately out of his league when facing Odin and other Skyfathers. You really need to read up on Odin and I think your mind will change. This thread was to really test Odin's power infused into Mjolnir vs Cyttorak's power infused into the Gem vs the strenght of Primary Adamantium. I see no evidence that Hulk or Juggernaut could ever lift, pull, push or move Mjolnir.

[ALPH4T34M]

Originally Posted by wktf

Nothing stops the Juggernaut, for sure.

We've already seen that Mjolnir cannot touch him.

However, Juggernaut cannot lift or move Mjolnir, period. He's simply not worthy.

Wow, when was this? Any pics?

[Makkari1]

Originally Posted by MrYac

sure he can move it, the enchantment stops people from lifting it, but an inanimate object can move it easily, like a robot for example, so juggys metal armored foot can easy move the hammer when it's in his way

Here is the debate, since Juggernaut is a living being and he is unworthy how could move or even lift Mjolnir. If what you say is true then Iron Man could lift the hammer, he can't. Marvel has been inconsistant with this sometimes a Robot can move while other times they can't move it. That not a problem with Juggernaut because he is a living/unworthy being not a robot.

[ALPH4T34M]

Originally Posted by MrYac

sure he can move it, the enchantment stops people from lifting it, but an inanimate object can move it easily, like a robot for example, so juggys metal armored foot can easy move the hammer when it's in his way

I think the enchantment actually determines if their is a living essence in anything that is touching it whether it be someone in a robotic suit like iron man or the metal foot of Juggy.

[Meteor Man]

Originally Posted by Makkari1

Here is the debate, since Juggernaut is a living being and he is unworthy how could move or even lift Mjolnir. If what you say is true then Iron Man could lift the hammer, he can't. Marvel has been inconsistant with this sometimes a Robot can move while other times they can't move it. That not a problem with Juggernaut because he is a living/unworthy being not a robot.

The bottom line is this....could Cyttorak's power overcome the enchantment that Odin placed on Mjolnir, or not. You say Odin is more powerful than Cyttorak, but that is opinion, not fact. There is no history between these two characters. It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were. Seriously, it all boils down to who is more popular. It's like a fixed horse race in any VS in comics, virtually every time. IF WRITERS STUCK TO ACTUAL POWERS ON PAPER WHEN THEY WERE WRITING, THEN THE CHARACTER THAT MOST PEOPLE DON"T WANT TO WIN, WOULD WIN. IT"S A POPULARITY CONTEST!!!!!! This is the unfortunate state of things in comics.

I don't know if Cyttorak is more powerful, or if Odin is more powerful...it's all a speculation and, "favorites" game....

[Bob Aboey]

Originally Posted by Makkari1

Odin is peer of Galactus at his peak and IMO is more powerful than Juggernaut's master Cyttorak yet you think to compair Odin to Cyttorak's avatar Juggernaut. How can Juggernaut even compair to Odin. Hulk is definately out of his league when facing Odin and other Skyfathers. You really need to read up on Odin and I think your mind will change. This thread was to really test Odin's power infused into Mjolnir vs Cyttorak's power infused into the Gem vs the strenght of Primary Adamantium. I see no evidence that Hulk or Juggernaut could ever lift, pull, push or move Mjolnir.

Preposterous! I suspect that, after Galactus consumed whatever space Odin chose to occupy, Odin would have the same effect on the Big G as viagra does on mortal men. And please, don't continue to lump Hulk in with The Unstoppable Juggernaut. I do agree with you in so much as this discussion is about which god gave more juice to said item: Mjolnir or The Gem. To me, it's the Gem. It fused with a mortal soul to create an immortal ball of fury whereas Mjolnir is... a hammer.

Originally Posted by Makkari1

Here is the debate, since Juggernaut is a living being and he is unworthy how could move or even lift Mjolnir. If what you say is true then Iron Man could lift the hammer, he can't. Marvel has been inconsistant with this sometimes a Robot can move while other times they can't move it. That not a problem with Juggernaut because he is a living/unworthy being not a robot.

He is not a "living being" in the sense that he is immortal. I think the difference between living being and mortal is a subtle but significant issue here.

Originally Posted by ALPH4T34M

I think the enchantment actually determines if their is a living essence in anything that is touching it whether it be someone in a robotic suit like iron man or the metal foot of Juggy.

Yes! And Juggy is as "living" as any immortal. We're talking about more than "does he have the theorhetical strength" here.

[Bob Aboey]

Originally Posted by Meteor Man

The bottom line is this....could Cyttorak's power overcome the enchantment that Odin placed on Mjolnir, or not. You say Odin is more powerful than Cyttorak, but that is opinion, not fact. There is no history between these two characters. It would be interesting to see what would happen if there were. Seriously, it all boils down to who is more popular. It's like a fixed horse race in any VS in comics, virtually every time. IF WRITERS STUCK TO ACTUAL POWERS ON PAPER WHEN THEY WERE WRITING, THEN THE CHARACTER THAT MOST PEOPLE DON"T WANT TO WIN, WOULD WIN. IT"S A POPULARITY CONTEST!!!!!! This is the unfortunate state of things in comics.

I don't know if Cyttorak is more powerful, or if Odin is more powerful...it's all a speculation and, "favorites" game....

Well put!

I also think that the assumption that Juggernaut is a living being is incorrect.

[RichBamf]

Originally Posted by Makkari1

Primary? I think not the earth would give way long before that happens. What we have here is a Mexican stand off. There are 3 tested and true icons in the Marvel U.

1.) Juggs who can't be stopped,
2.) Mjolnir which can't be lifted
3.) Adamantium which can't break.

When these 3 things come into conflict either a stalemate occurs or something gives.

Well, We all know the powers of Juggs and the enchantment s on Mjolnir.

I've never been convinced that adamantium is unbreakable. After all, it can be converted to liquid form, so the bonds must be able to be broken down to some extent.