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09-20-2018, 01:50 PM
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#11
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Phoenix
Join Date: Jul 2016
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Originally Posted by armitage
Affection makes you gag! LOL
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No, that just shows Disney, Lucasfilm, and Tony Gilroy had no integrity. "Hey, let's make a movie where all the main characters die...but let's make the audience feel good about death!"
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09-20-2018, 02:02 PM
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#12
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Kindly Asked To Leave
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Originally Posted by Gothamite
No, that just shows Disney, Lucasfilm, and Tony Gilroy had no integrity. "Hey, let's make a movie where all the main characters die...but let's make the audience feel good about death!"
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It's an Eastern thing. Seems like that was for the Asian market. Their heroes always die tragically which they see as even more honorable for some reason. I'm a huge Kung Fu fan and most Shaw Brother's movies have the hero dying at the end. Also John Woo's films Killer and Hardboiled had Chow Yun Fat die at the end. Crouching Tiger ending, Jet Li in Hero at the end where he's plastered against a wall with millions of arrows etc etc. Contrast that with Western films where the Hero usually ends up with the girl or saving the day and living happily ever after with some exception (Armageddon,Man on Fire etc.).
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09-20-2018, 02:05 PM
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#13
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Phoenix
Join Date: Jul 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by armitage
It's an Eastern thing. Seems like that was for the Asian market. Their heroes always die tragically which they see as even more honorable for some reason. I'm a huge Kung Fu fan and most Shaw Brother's movies have the hero dying at the end. Also John Woo's films Killer and Hardboiled had Chow Yun Fat die at the end. Crouching Tiger ending, Jet Li in Hero at the end where he's plastered against a wall with millions of arrows etc etc. Contrast that with Western films where the Hero usually ends up with the girl or saving the day and living happily ever after with some exception.
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Are you really Asian-splaining to me?
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09-20-2018, 02:13 PM
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Kindly Asked To Leave
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Originally Posted by Gothamite
Are you really Asian-splaining to me?
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LOL Does your Snark tank ever run dry? I got tired of man-splaining and thought I'd try on something different for awhile.
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09-20-2018, 02:55 PM
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#15
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Phoenix
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 12,676
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Originally Posted by armitage
LOL Does your Snark tank ever run dry?
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While your description of heroic deaths wasn't wrong, it didn't really have much to do with my disgust with Rogue One's ending. Jyn Erso could've died any number of heroic deaths. Heck, I would've even given Disney a pass had she died alone, kneeling and looking at the sunset on the same beach. Instead, they had Cassian Andor survive a fall from a great height just so that they could have a couples embrace. The last thing this movie needed was sentimentality.
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09-20-2018, 04:10 PM
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#16
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Retired Reviewer
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Bluffton, SC USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by armitage
It's an Eastern thing. Seems like that was for the Asian market. Their heroes always die tragically which they see as even more honorable for some reason. I'm a huge Kung Fu fan and most Shaw Brother's movies have the hero dying at the end. Also John Woo's films Killer and Hardboiled had Chow Yun Fat die at the end. Crouching Tiger ending, Jet Li in Hero at the end where he's plastered against a wall with millions of arrows etc etc. Contrast that with Western films where the Hero usually ends up with the girl or saving the day and living happily ever after with some exception (Armageddon,Man on Fire etc.).
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Good point.
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09-20-2018, 04:13 PM
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Retired Reviewer
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Bluffton, SC USA
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Originally Posted by Gothamite
While your description of heroic deaths wasn't wrong, it didn't really have much to do with my disgust with Rogue One's ending. Jyn Erso could've died any number of heroic deaths. Heck, I would've even given Disney a pass had she died alone, kneeling and looking at the sunset on the same beach. Instead, they had Cassian Andor survive a fall from a great height just so that they could have a couples embrace. The last thing this movie needed was sentimentality.
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Although I love happy endings, life is not always full of them. That’s what I like about Rogue One. It is raw, tragic, but most importantly honest.
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09-20-2018, 04:33 PM
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#18
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Phoenix
Join Date: Jul 2016
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Originally Posted by JP Sarri
Although I love happy endings, life is not always full of them. That’s what I like about Rogue One. It is raw, tragic, but most importantly honest.
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But they tried to give it a happy ending.
This would've been an honest death:
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09-20-2018, 05:31 PM
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#19
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Retired Reviewer
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Location: Bluffton, SC USA
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No one wants to die alone.
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09-20-2018, 05:48 PM
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#20
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Fantastic Four
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 98
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gothamite
But they tried to give it a happy ending.
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That didn't convey a happy death, to me. I saw fear, sadness and resolve. As part of the audience, I didn't feel like celebrating during that scene.
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