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Originally Posted by Subby1938
In Spider-Man’s universe Carnage and Venom are A list so is Green Goblin Doc Ock. No question about it . They have spin off comic books series , now we have Knull as a tie in to them . Huge in Spiderverse . You know this . He’s getting his own movie . Come on now .
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Ok, so we’re taking it to Spider-Man’s universe now. I’m looking at the broader scope. I can’t put Carnage in the same tier as Superman, Hulk or Iron Man who are undisputedly A list. I only place characters who are “household names” in A list.
Huge in Spiderverse? Do you mean the comic or movie? Because Venom nor Carnage are in either.
Also, being popular in the comics universe or to comic readers doesn’t directly correlate with popularity beyond the comics. Look up the making of Iron Man. He’s always been A list to comic readers and within the comic stories, but he wasn’t overall popular before the movie, something Marvel knew and had to figure out during pre production. He didn’t get a movie
because he’s popular. He actually got the movie because he was available and X-Men, Spider-Man, etc were not. I’m not making this up, you can fact check it, there’s enough opinion and self appointed facts on this forum lol.
You know who also gets comic series from time to time? Jimmy Olson. So good for him and Carnage, the A listers.
Carnage is not getting his own movie at the moment, but he’s definitely the villain in the next Venom movie, a movie which only ONE person I know (and I know a lot of people) knew what that reference was at the end of Venom. Just like maybe 4 people I know knew who “the purple guy” was at the end of Avengers back in 2012. But I guess I don’t know enough nerds like myself. If we’re saying Carnage is getting his own movie, then Winter Soldier and Ultron have their own movie.
You know who does have his own movie? Howard the Duck. You know who else has his own movie? Shazam. And aside from geeks like us (geeks as culturally, not in a negative sense) the world has already forgotten.
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Originally Posted by Iko Iko
IMO, Carnage is not A list in the Spidey-Verse (more like B). I agree with you though that Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Venom are A list.
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Exactly. He’s one of his most toughest and dangerous villains, sure. But if you want to go Top 10 villains who mean the most to Spidey himself, are the most prevalent and consistent to Spidey across any and all media, that would be GG, Oc, Venom, Rhino, Vulture, Kraven, Lizard, Electro, Mysterio and Sandman. I’d even say Kingpin is higher on the Spidey villain tier list. Carnage is definitely important...”Carnage” followed by “Maximum Carnage”... he started as an event worthy villain, that’s nothing new.