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[bdlovelace]

Originally Posted by Philintheblank

Very lol. No, I think I get what you're saying to some degree at least. Magneto and Mystique have both been X-Men. I think the commonality of a lot of them being mutants and dealing with that struggle puts them on some level of shared ground which can blur the lines between friend/foe...good guy/bad guy.

Exactly. You stated it much better and more concisely than I did. I need to watch my wordiness. Lol

[The SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by Mister H

Batman is top dog in the villain department....and every other department. He not only has a long list of baddies but each of them is an all-star. Except for MothMan and that flower guy, their dumb. Like I said previously, Spidey and X-Men villains are close but when it comes down to it their rogues lists are a little top heavy and get a little weaker as you go down.

Batman is the best Superhero and Joker is the best Supervillain. I don’t care what anyone else says, if you think otherwise you’re wrong

With that said, I easily give Spidey’s bad guys the edge. Top to bottom it’s just a deeper talent pool. As you go down the list I think Spidey’s villians have more star-power. But I do agree that the top 5 or 6 Batman villains are NO JOKE.

And I think teams like X-MEN can’t be compared to a single-characters’s rogues. X-MEN are better compared to another team like the Avengers.

[Punisher_]

Originally Posted by Subby1938

Spiderman

Chameleon
Vulture
Dr Octopus
Sandman
Lizard
Electro
Mysterio
Kraven the Hunter
Green Goblin
Hobgoblin
Red Goblin
Morbius
Rhino
Kingpin
Shocker
Tarantula
Hydro man
Venom
Carnage
Scorpion

I’ll make the argument Spiderman is pretty tough to beat ....

Batman has more A list villains in his Rogues Gallery though... And has actual good female villains.

[The SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by Punisher_

Batman has more A list villains in his Rogues Gallery though... And has actual good female villains.

It’s an interesting debate...who has higher Celebrity Villain status:

Venom or Bane?

Doc Ock or Mr. Freeze?

Green Goblin or Riddler?

Kingpin or Penguin?

Vulture or Two-Face?

Lizard or Killer Croc?

Hobgoblin or Poison Ivy?

Rhino or Scarecrow?

Mysterio or Ras Al Ghoul?

Kraven or Catwoman?

Sandman or Harley Quinn?

Electro or Clay Face?

[saberhagen]

Originally Posted by The SHOGUN

It’s an interesting debate...who has higher Celebrity Villain status:

Venom or Bane?

Doc Ock or Mr. Freeze?

Green Goblin or Riddler?

Kingpin or Penguin?

Vulture or Two-Face?

Lizard or Killer Croc?

Hobgoblin or Poison Ivy?

Rhino or Scarecrow?

Mysterio or Ras Al Ghoul?

Kraven or Catwoman?

Sandman or Harley Quinn?

Electro or Clay Face?

Strong Wizard magazine vibes, I like it.

I'd give Batman the edge in most, but then again I wasn't expecting a Venom movie to do a billion dollars. Could Bane pull that off? Probably not, but the Joker did on a pretty slow movie.

[Punisher_]

Originally Posted by The SHOGUN

It’s an interesting debate...who has higher Celebrity Villain status:

Venom or Bane?

Doc Ock or Mr. Freeze?

Green Goblin or Riddler?

Kingpin or Penguin?

Vulture or Two-Face?

Lizard or Killer Croc?

Hobgoblin or Poison Ivy?

Rhino or Scarecrow?

Mysterio or Ras Al Ghoul?

Kraven or Catwoman?

Sandman or Harley Quinn?

Electro or Clay Face?

I got Batman villains for all except Venom.

[Philintheblank]

Originally Posted by bdlovelace

Exactly. You stated it much better and more concisely than I did. I need to watch my wordiness. Lol

The wordiness was fine I just wasn't reading it quite right. We're saying the same thing basically.

Originally Posted by The SHOGUN

Batman is the best Superhero and Joker is the best Supervillain. I don’t care what anyone else says, if you think otherwise you’re wrong

With that said, I easily give Spidey’s bad guys the edge. Top to bottom it’s just a deeper talent pool. As you go down the list I think Spidey’s villians have more star-power. But I do agree that the top 5 or 6 Batman villains are NO JOKE.

And I think teams like X-MEN can’t be compared to a single-characters’s rogues. X-MEN are better compared to another team like the Avengers.

It depends on if we're looking at team rogues or all rogues including those of the individual teammates. I've always seen the X-Men as a shared gallery for the most part in any case.

Originally Posted by The SHOGUN

It’s an interesting debate...who has higher Celebrity Villain status:

Venom, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Penguin, Two-Face, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, Mysterio, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Electro

[The SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by Punisher_

I got Batman villains for all except Venom.

Im sorry, but there may be no cure for what you have.

[The SHOGUN]

Originally Posted by Philintheblank

Venom, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Penguin, Two-Face, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, Scarecrow, Mysterio, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Electro

I agree with most of your picks. But I have NO LOVE for Harley, Catwoman and Poison Ivy. They may have higher “celebrity status” but I don’t think they’re “better” villians. I’d take Kraven, Hobgoblin and Sandman over them every day of the week. Now if it was a night club I owned, I’d bump the ladies to the front of the line every time but in terms of being a bad ass-bad guy I’d take the boys over the girls without hesitation.

And I have a very hard time justifying Penguin over Kingpin. And if Rhino walked into the room he make people MUCH more uncomfortable than scarecrow entering the room, IMO.

[Black Cat]

Originally Posted by The SHOGUN

It’s an interesting debate...who has higher Celebrity Villain status:

Venom or Bane? Venom

Doc Ock or Mr. Freeze? Mr. Freeze

Green Goblin or Riddler? Green Goblin

Kingpin or Penguin? Penguin

Vulture or Two-Face? Vulture

Lizard or Killer Croc? Lizard

Hobgoblin or Poison Ivy? Poison Ivy

Rhino or Scarecrow? Rhino

Mysterio or Ras Al Ghoul? Ras Al Ghoul

Kraven or Catwoman? Catwoman

Sandman or Harley Quinn? Harley

Electro or Clay Face?

Clay Face