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Old 10-16-2008, 08:27 PM   #441
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There's truth in Obama's statements, but that doesn't make him a socialist. Of course, if people want to read things into statements if they're on the other side of the isle from him. Depends on your prospective. I'm independent, and I get what he's saying.
Saying that helping others is an obligation belittles those that help others, in my opinion.

You Neil, go above and beyond what is expected of anyone by helping and assisting many kids by donating your time, money, affection and support, all with a selflessness and with nothing asked in return. To me that is what makes you great.

If that is spun into, well Neil just did what he was obligated to do, I think it takes away from what makes you special and such good person.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:31 PM   #442
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Whats wrong with socialism?
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:33 PM   #443
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:33 PM   #444
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You have to explain in more detail please. I don't know how old you are. My aunt works for the same place I do, when she retires she get's 80% of her salary.

When I retire I get whats in my 401k which is pretax dollars. I get taxed on it when I take it out. What kind of retirement do you have, and where can I get it.
I'm Civil Service and will retire on Nov. 1st...I have already paid taxes on the money I put into retirement when I made it...My Gross income is taxed each paycheck...Before Medicare and Insurance is taken out...and also before my retirement contribution is taken out...Nancy wants to tax my retirement payments to upgrade the "living standards" of the illegal immigrants in this Country to give them a better chance at "The American Dream"...
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I'm serious. You do realise its not communism.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:34 PM   #446
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Whats wrong with socialism?
It doesn't work...There is too much greed at "The TOP"...Just like Capitalism and any other form of Government...
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:35 PM   #447
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Well most European countries are socialist in nature. It can work most of the time.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:36 PM   #448
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I'm Civil Service and will retire on Nov. 1st...I have already paid taxes on the money I put into retirement when I made it...My Gross income is taxed each paycheck...Before Medicare and Insurance is taken out...and also before my retirement contribution is taken out...Nancy wants to tax my retirement payments to upgrade the "living standards" of the illegal immigrants in this Country to give them a better chance at "The American Dream"...
So you don't pay any money into Social Security right? My aunt is under the old system, she gets to pay into a nice little retirement acount for herself, plus she gets 80% of her salary.

I want you to tell me what agency you work for. Then I want you to give me the bill of Nancy's that you are talking about. That's the only way I can fact check what your saying.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:36 PM   #449
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Whats wrong with socialism?
nothing but I believe it is contrary to the prinicpals upon which the US was founded
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So how do you view other countries who do adopt it?
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